March 18, 2008
McCAIN'S WORLD....It's one thing to be clueless about whether or not thimerosal causes autism, but apparently, even after five years of war in Iraq, John McCain is also clueless about who's supporting whom in the Middle East:
He said several times that Iran, a predominately Shiite country, was supplying the mostly Sunni militant group, al-Qaeda. In fact, officials have said they believe Iran is helping Shiite extremists in Iraq.
Speaking to reporters in Amman, the Jordanian capital, McCain said he and two Senate colleagues traveling with him continue to be concerned about Iranian operatives "taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back."
....A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate's ear. McCain then said: "I'm sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda."
This is hardly some trivial mistake. It's like accusing Pat Robertson of supporting NARAL. It shows a complete disconnect with what's going on in Iraq.
Of course, even McCain's corrected version doesn't tell the whole story either. What he should have said is that the Iranians are training many of the same extremists that we're allied with too. But that might have provoked a whole different set of questions that McCain would just as soon not answer.
Via Matt.
—Kevin Drum 11:59 AM
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But that might have provoked a whole different set of questions that McCain would just as soon not answer.
Hard to answer any question, much less say anything thoughtful or meaningful, when your attendants haven't wiped the drool from the corner of your mouth and you are sitting in a pants-load of crap.
Just what this country needs after the idiot chimp stole 2 elections, another brain-dead fool to distract the masses while the criminal cabal behind the neocon/repug agenda continues to loot the treasury.
Can someone please point out to mclame where the bathroom is and let him slowly walk away into the sunset?
Posted by: on March 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM | PERMALINK
Hey, being a spud worked for Reagan and it worked for Bush. It's the Republican presidential tradition.
Posted by: Bob M on March 18, 2008 at 12:11 PM | PERMALINK
bob - it seems to be a requirement to be a candidate for the repug party - senile, brain-damaged, alcoholic/cocaine addict, closet homosexual, and a psychopathic liar.
Posted by: on March 18, 2008 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK
I saw St. John stumbling around the streets of Baghdad, and damn, he looks old and confused. His answers to reporters' questions were disjointed and didn't necessarily track on topic. Was he always like this extemporaneously? Because either Hillary or Obama will slay him in the debates.
The Prairie Angel
Posted by: Arachnae on March 18, 2008 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK
Jesus Christ, just how senile is he? This man is dangerously, dangrously unconnected to reality. To utter this kind of nonsense shows that he is either (a) delusional and/or (b) completely ignorant of anything that's been happening in the Iraq War in the last five years. Neither are desirable qualities in a president.
And Republicans wonder why no one trusts them on national security.....
Posted by: Stefan on March 18, 2008 at 12:19 PM | PERMALINK
Mind you, when sunnis, whether extremist in their views, speak of "iranians" in the context of Iraq, they generally are referring to the American-backed Iraqi government. In other words, in the minds of people most closely in tune the "the facts on the ground," there is precious little difference between Iran and the Iraqi government (i.e., America). It is this reality that puts paid to the suggestion that we are succeeding.
Posted by: jhm on March 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM | PERMALINK
I think McCain is creepy, so is Lieberman. Two old senile men.
Posted by: Renate on March 18, 2008 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK
People this is REALLY REALLY BAD. It is even worse than Bush's "General" interview.
McCain is touting himself as THE expert in Iraq, as the guy that's read all the books, talked tough (and straight, no doubt) to the Administration, probed all the generals to learn everything. He says he is the guy to win in Iraq, the guy al-Qaeda is afraid of (sounds familiar?), the guy that we need to win the war on terror.
And he is clueless about what is going on there! Clueless! He has no idea! This is basic stuff! All things considered, it SHOULD be enough to knock him out of contention 100%, without a doubt. But we all know this will never be mentioned by another media person.
Posted by: Joshua on March 18, 2008 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK
But how can any democrat successfully run against mclame and 4 MORE YEARS of dur chimpfurher’s legacy and PERPETUAL WAR in iraq?
Our “decide” has an approval rating of 20 percent (and has for months) and somehow the dems are going to overcome this commanding support and defeat a candidate that stands for everything the smirking chimp stands for?
How can any articulate candidate defeat another brain-damaged figurehead of the criminal cabal that brought use darth cheney and dur chimpfuhrer?
Doesn’t mclame already have this thing “in the bag”? Looks to me like we will need to keep a mop handy for the next 4 years.
Posted by: on March 18, 2008 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK
Don't worry, Broderella, Joe Klein, Russert, Howard Fineman, Chris Matthews and the rest of The Village will call McCain on that any second now. Now. Wait. Now.
Nnnnnnnnnnooowww!!!!
Oh, sod it.
Posted by: ed on March 18, 2008 at 12:31 PM | PERMALINK
stefan wrote: "Jesus Christ, just how senile is he? This man is dangerously, dangerously unconnected to reality."
You know, I had that exact same reaction ... when Ronald Reagan debated Jimmy Carter in 1980.
Posted by: SecularAnimist on March 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK
I commented a month ago, after McCain was forced to retract unequivocal statements four times in a week, later claiming he simply "forgot", that he reminded me of Reagan late in his Presidency.
The Reagan who regaled members of the press corps with anecdotes that he remembered as having personally experienced, when it was later revealed they were actually set pieces from films he had appeared in.
And this is the man Hillary has declared has reached the "threshold" to be Commander-In-Chief.
Yet more evidence that Clinton's judgment, as revealed in her Yes vote on the Kyl-Lieberman Iran Resolution last September, remains as flawed today as it was the day she enabled the invasion of Iraq.
John-Boy and Hillary, Hawks of a Feather.
Posted by: filmex on March 18, 2008 at 12:39 PM | PERMALINK
al-Qaeda, Sunni, Shia, Iran, Iraq.
Come on you know what he meant! Those evil doing brown people! The ones that want to destroy our way of life.
Nit Pickers.
Posted by: agave on March 18, 2008 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK
As others have noted, if we had a decent press corps this idiotic nonsense would be front and center on the news. But we don't, so it won't....
Posted by: Stefan on March 18, 2008 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK
Didn't Mr. McCanine also make the genius declaration that Iran's infulence was growing in Iraq and the region? No shite, Sherlock, specifically and directly due to the US taking the war into Iraq. To think this numbnuts might be the president of this country. Incredible.
Posted by: bubba on March 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK
See? There's nothing to worry about! McCain just needs Lieberman nearby to whisper corrections in his ear. Won't that make for some lovely campaign photos and video clips? It'll comfort the nation to see McCain and his puppetmaster working together hand in glove -- or hand up ass, as the case may be.
Posted by: Zeno on March 18, 2008 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK
Stefan wrote: "As others have noted, if we had a decent press corps this idiotic nonsense would be front and center on the news. But we don't, so it won't...."
No, indeed. What we have is mass media that is entirely owned and controlled by a few giant corporations, whose agenda is to install John McCain as president where he will continue the Cheney/Bush policies of massive tax cuts for the ultra-rich and deregulation of media ownership, thereby enabling those corporations to gobble up more and more of America's newspapers, networks and TV and radio stations.
"News coverage" of John McCain will be carefully scripted, filtered and tailored to market him to the US public, while "news coverage" of the Democratic candidate will be an onslaught of character assassination, ridicule and demonization.
Posted by: SecularAnimist on March 18, 2008 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK
The general lack of knowledge of conservatives about Iraq and Middle East is mind boggling. McCain claims to be for victory, yet he ignores the dictum of Sun Tzu: “know thyself, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.” With McCain and Bush it is more like: “don’t know much, a thousand battles, a thousand fiascos, whatever.”
Posted by: fafner1 on March 18, 2008 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK
A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate's ear. McCain then said: "I'm sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda."
Well, you know, Joe's still learning how to pull on the strings.
Posted by: Peter Principle on March 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK
The old fool is senile. But, Republicans would vote for a moldy tree stump if it won their nomination. The GOP has become that group of people who care more about party loyalty (i.e. factionalism) than the good of the United States of America, which worried our Founding Fathers a great deal.
I also worry about McCain's temper and mental stability. He has flashed his violent anger on a number of occasions and it is an ugly thing to behold. The last thing we need at this point in human history is an irrational, senile old man with untreated post-traumatic stress syndrome with his finger on the nuclear trigger!
Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on March 18, 2008 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK
….And this is the man Hillary has declared has reached the "threshold" to be Commander-In-Chief…filmex at 12:39 PM
It's given, that no matter what the topic, some silly 'bamabot will see an opportunity to slime Clinton. It's perfectly reasonable for her to point out that the Republican opposition should not be underestimated
…But whether Clinton or Obama emerges with the nomination, McCain will be a force to reckon with.
When compared to either Democrat, McCain is rated as the "strongest leader." He easily outpaces both when voters are asked who has the "right experience to be president," beating Obama by 31 points and Clinton by 12…..
While any impartial close observer sees McCain for the out-of-touch ideologue he is, unfortunately, most people will see him filtered through an adoring press: a press that spins his every flaw and idiotic statement while ridiculing any Democrat.
Even though you're smears are widely off-topic (and insanely off-base), since you raised the Kyl-Lieberman Iran Resolution, her statement is pertinent:
"I voted for this resolution in order to apply greater diplomatic pressure on Iran. This resolution in no way authorizes or sanctions military action against Iran and instead seeks to end the Bush Administration's diplomatic inaction in the region.
"Iran has gained expanded influence in Iraq and the region as a result of the Bush Administration's polices which have also rejected diplomacy as a tool for addressing Iranian ambitions. While the United States has spurned talks, Iran has enhanced its nuclear enrichment capabilities, armed Iraqi Shiite militias, funneled arms to Hezbollah and subsidized Hamas, even as the government continues to damage its own citizens by mismanaging the economy and increasing political and social repression.
"I continue to support and advocate for a policy of entering into talks with Iran, because robust diplomacy is a prerequisite to achieving our aims.
"This legislation reaffirms my policy of engagement and refers specifically to the statement of Defense Secretary Gates who said that "diplomatic and economic means" are "by far the preferable approach" for dealing with the threat posed by Iran.
"In February, after troubling reports about the possibility of military action against Iran, I took to the Senate Floor to warn that President Bush needs Congressional Authorization before attacking Iran. Specifically, I said it would be a mistake of historical proportion if the Administration thought that the 2002 resolution authorizing force against Iraq was a blank check for the use of force against Iran without further and explicit Congressional authorization. Nor should the President think that the 2001 resolution authorizing force after the terrorist attacks of 9/11, in any way, authorizes force against Iran. If the Administration believes that any use of force against Iran is necessary, the President must come to Congress to seek that authority.
"Nothing in this resolution changes that."
Contrast to Obama's 2004 statements: 'There’s not much of a difference between my position and George Bush’s position [on Iraq] at this stage.' In a meeting with Chicago Tribune reporters at the Democratic National Convention, Obama said, “On Iraq, on paper, there's not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago. […] There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who's in a position to execute.”
Posted by: Mike on March 18, 2008 at 2:39 PM | PERMALINK
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is an anxiety disorder that can develop after exposure to a terrifying event or ordeal in which grave physical harm occurred or was threatened. [1] It is a severe and ongoing emotional reaction to an extreme psychological trauma .[2] This stressor may involve someone's actual death or a threat to the patient's or someone else's life, serious physical injury, or threat to physical and/or psychological integrity, to a degree that usual psychological defenses are incapable of coping....
The four dissociative disorders listed in the DSM IV TR are as follows:
Depersonalization disorder (DSM-IV Codes 300.6 [2] )- periods of detachment from self or surrounding which may be experienced as "unreal" (lacking in control of or "outside of" self) while retaining awareness that this is only a feeling and not a reality.
Dissociative Amnesia (DSM-IV Codes 300.12 [3] )- noticeable impairment of recall resulting from emotional trauma
Dissociative fugue (DSM-IV Codes 300.13 [4] )- physical desertion of familiar surroundings and experience of impaired recall of the past. This may lead to confusion about actual identity and the assumption of a new identity.
Dissociative identity disorder '( DSM-IV Codes 300.14 [5] )- the alternation of two or more distinct personality states with impaired recall, among personality states, of important information.
Posted by: wingtip on March 18, 2008 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK
I don't know what everyone is so worked up about.
This can't be the first time that one of our politicians has said that Iran is supporting al Qaeda. I'll bet the Washington Post, where this article is from, has printed that particular bullshit a few times, without ever a disclaimer, "these assertions were not independently verified."
As we saw in the Rolling Stone article recently, and many others, "al Qaeda in Iraq" is whatever anyone wants/needs it to be. It mostly doesn't exist. We can forgive McCain for either believing the propaganda, or getting his lies mixed up.
Posted by: luci on March 18, 2008 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK
Sunni, Shia, Iran, Iraq, al Qaeda, al Jazeera. It's enough to trip up any 70 year old. At least he knew he was somewhere in the Middle East and not Middle Earth.
Posted by: AJ on March 18, 2008 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK
This is why Hillary Clinton needs to win the nomination and the election. She is the only one of the three remaining candidates who has a comprehensive, intelligent grasp of what's going on in the world. She is also somewhat to the right of McCain on many economic issues. She is probably the most intelligent candidate as well, although Obama is no dummy. God help us if McCain or Obama end up running this country.
Posted by: Jack Sprat on March 18, 2008 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK
Here's MSNBC: "Al-Qaida finds safe haven in Iran"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8330976/page/3/
Here's the Washington Post: "the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks has concluded that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network had long-running contacts with Iraq's neighbor and historic foe, Iran"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6581-2004Jun25.html
Our media has printed lies like these for a long time, morphing al Qaeda into whatever anybody wanted. It's a fact-free environment. Who can fault McCain - he just lost track of today's favored narrative.
Posted by: luci on March 18, 2008 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK
Hmmmm . . . let's see. Gerald Ford famously said that there was "no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe," while George Romney said that he had been "brainwashed" by some foreign leader. Neither ever recovered. Will McSame? I suspect that his media fan club will cover his ass on this.
Posted by: Doofus on March 18, 2008 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK
McCain is already as senile as Reagan, and Lieberman is his Nancy.
Posted by: Brojo on March 18, 2008 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK
Just for the record:
Thread about John McCain's personal demonstrated total ignorance about the war the US has been waging for the past five years, the war he falsely claims to be expert on: 31 comments
Thread about fake, manufactured "controversy" about Barack Obama's pastor: two threads, at 85 and 91 comments total at the moment.
Demonstrating, once again, how Republicans manage to suck up all the airtime by ginning up fake outrages in order to cover up their own appalling misdeeds.
Posted by: Stefan on March 18, 2008 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK
Open a vein and vote McCain!
Posted by: R.L. on March 18, 2008 at 4:44 PM | PERMALINK
There really is quite a simple explanation for McCain's error. The Republicans have consistantly used the words "al Qaeda" or terrorists for any bombing or murder in Iraq. Note that it took part-time Democrat Joe Lieberman to correct him. Had it not happened in Jordan, I doubt it would have been necessary.
Posted by: on March 18, 2008 at 5:25 PM | PERMALINK
And no, thimerosal is not linked to autism.
Just want to clear that up for McCain and anyone else here.
Posted by: Auto on March 18, 2008 at 8:39 PM | PERMALINK
"Demonstrating, once again, how Republicans manage to suck up all the airtime by ginning up fake outrages in order to cover up their own appalling misdeeds."
Not really. It just means that on this subject the commenters on Kevin's blog don't disagree. After a few dozen people have agreed that McCain is a moron, what more needs to be said?
Posted by: PaulB on March 19, 2008 at 2:08 AM | PERMALINK
Yes, in a religious war to the death, it makes a lot of sense for Iran to support the people who regard them as heretics and want to destroy them.
Posted by: bob h on March 19, 2008 at 7:55 AM | PERMALINK