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Tilting at Windmills

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April 8, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

SADR AND SISTANI....A couple of days ago Muqtada al-Sadr said he would consult Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani and other senior Shiite clerics and abide by their ruling if they told him to disband his Mahdi Army. So how'd that go?

Iraq's top Shiite religious leaders have told anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr not to disband his Mehdi Army, an al-Sadr spokesman said Monday amid fresh fighting in the militia's Baghdad strongholds.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki demanded Sunday that the cleric disband his militia, which waged two uprisings against U.S. troops in 2004, or see his supporters barred from public office.

But al-Sadr spokesman Salah al-Obeidi said al-Sadr has consulted with Iraq's Shiite clerical leadership "and they refused that." He did not provide details of the talks.

Juan Cole provides some acid commentary on Sadr's original offer and the giddy American response to it:

The US press went wild for this supposed report that Muqtada al-Sadr said he would dissolve his militia if Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani ordered it. Folks, he always says that when there is a controversy. (He said the same thing in spring, 2004). He says it because he knows it makes him look reasonable to the Shiite public. He says it because he knows that the grand ayatollahs are not going to touch the matter with a ten foot pole. They are not so foolish as to take responsibility for dissolving a militia that they had nothing to do with creating. And that is probably the real meaning of this CNN report that they 'refused' when asked. I doubt the grand ayatollahs in Najaf actively commanded Muqtada to keep his militia. They just declined to get drawn in.

There's further acid commentary at the link.

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Well, Kevin, Sadr is isolated and will have to disband his militia. You owe Rich Lowry an apology. Clearly he was right. In fact, he's ALWAYS right.

Posted by: Rich Lowry's Conscience on April 8, 2008 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

It's a pattern, a form of electioneering which unfortunately causes the death of a thousand or so every election cycle.

It's gonna do this for three or for election cycles to come. I suggest they keep on voting, however they do it, we want them to to it efficiently.

Posted by: Matt on April 8, 2008 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

Like I said, never ask a question you don't know the answer to.

What was the real chance that Sistani would say-"Disband"?

Same chance as winning the lottery, I would guess.

Posted by: Neal on April 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK

What does Juan Cole know about Iraq? I mean, "Juan" - that's Mexican, right? He just hates America. We already won the war and you libruls are just having a fit about it. George Bush is the most popular president in this century and there's nothing you can do about it.

Posted by: Conservatroll on April 8, 2008 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

al, was that you?

Posted by: mudwall jackson on April 8, 2008 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

lol@George Bush is the most popular president in this century and there's nothing you can do about it.

Posted by: Conservatroll on April 8, 2008 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

Posted by: mrmakymkay on April 8, 2008 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

There's further acid commentary at the link.

Well, OK, but if he starts going, "Oh wow, man, the colors!" I'm going to discount his opinion somewhat.

Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on April 8, 2008 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINK

"But al-Sadr spokesman Salah al-Obeidi said al-Sadr has consulted with Iraq's Shiite clerical leadership "and they refused that." He did not provide details of the talks."

Apart from this statement from a al-Sadr "spokesman" is there any independent confirmation of what transpired during this meeting with the clerical leadership? Or is his word of what happened good enough for you Kevin and the rest of the reality based political community here at the Washington Monthly?

My sense about Petraeus' testimony on Capitol Hill is that it will decrease the Dems' reliance on Iraq as a campaign issue because both Hillary's and Obama's "stated" plan of immedidate pullout of troops regardless of the consequences is going to be less and less popular among the American people and McCain will pound them over the head with it any time they have to talk about it.

Posted by: Chicounsel on April 8, 2008 at 1:43 PM | PERMALINK

There is further acid solution waiting for any Shiite who opposes the New Saddam power of the US and its puppets.

Posted by: Brojo on April 8, 2008 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

There were indications during the recent flare-up in Basra that Sistani was edging toward openly siding with Sadr in the conflict with Maliki. At the least, the clerics seem to have lost confidence in the government.

Posted by: Joe Buck on April 8, 2008 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

Chicounsel: if Sadr misreports what Sistani says, Sistani's spokespeople would quickly correct the record.

And you're delusional if you think that McCain will be successful pounding anyone over the head with his pro-war rhetoric. McCain's numbers are high right now because of his overwhelmingly positive press, but those numbers will collapse as the public focuses more closely on the race. Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran isn't going to sell, neither is the 100-year occupation.

Posted by: Joe Buck on April 8, 2008 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, America needs more "acid" commentators like Juan Cole and less lickspittle lackeys in Congress who want to grovel and lick the boots of people in military uniforms.

I listened to about an hour of Petraeus' testimony before Congress on NPR this morning and I thought I was going to puke my guts out. These self-congratulatory Republican worms, between fellating Petraeus publicly, asked questions like "how close is Moqtada al-Sadr to Iran" and "how many caches of arms have you found that came from Iran"? Petraeus, naturally, was more than happy to portray Iran as doing everything but poisoning the American military's food, without offering a shred of evidence to back it up. The Democrats weren't much better.

What they should have been asking was "how close is Nouri al-Maliki to Iran and who is arming his Dawa militia"? Folks, we are well and truly screwed if these scumbags in Congress can't be more insightful and challenge paid killers like Petraeus to justify the carnage they are wreaking on a sovereign country than they do now....

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on April 8, 2008 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

Chicounsel:

My sense about Petraeus' testimony on Capitol Hill is that it will decrease the Dems' reliance on Iraq as a campaign issue because both Hillary's and Obama's "stated" plan of immedidate pullout of troops regardless of the consequences is going to be less and less popular among the American people and McCain will pound them over the head with it any time they have to talk about it.

So you think hearing testimony that American troops are trapped in Iraq for nobody knows how long, because the Iraqi goverment and army are still too "fragile," will make people want to vote for "a hundred more years" McCain? The candidate who refuses to set any limit on the blood or treasure we're supposed to sacrifice to achieve peace, democracy and stability in Iraq? The candidate who apparently is prepared to borrow another trillion to fund tilting at that windmill and to lower the standards for joining the military yet again in order to have enough soldiers to keep up the numbers? You really believe that?

Posted by: cowalker on April 8, 2008 at 3:58 PM | PERMALINK

Quaker, have you ever really looked at your hand, I mean really looked at it, man?

Posted by: thersites on April 8, 2008 at 5:08 PM | PERMALINK

"My sense about Petraeus' testimony on Capitol Hill is that it will decrease the Dems' reliance on Iraq as a campaign issue because both Hillary's and Obama's 'stated' plan of immedidate pullout of troops regardless of the consequences is going to be less and less popular among the American people and McCain will pound them over the head with it any time they have to talk about it."

So a position that's popular with 60+% of the voters is somehow a "losing" campaign issue? How'd that work out for you in 2006? Man, I definitely need some of what you're smoking.

Posted by: PaulB on April 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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