So?

Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war.

Boy, that sure is a lot of people who hate America and want the terrorists to win.

It's not death that's driving this. There were a lot more killed in WWII. Rather, it's the depressing reality that the Administration has no idea of what it's trying to accomplish, that the guys are dying for nothing and the money is just spilling down a rat hole.

Is it too late for McCain to try to backpedal away from his support for the war? Will he try anyway?

"Boy, that sure is a lot of people who hate America and want the terrorists to win."

Actually it just shows to power of the media to miss-inform the people. I was just wondering today how the aids epidemic was going. Does anyone know? it seems the media has forgotten it.

Bring me some ideas for a new one said the network programmer.

And 95% say gas priuces are too HIGH and want Bush impeached immediately if NOT sooner.

I'm suprised ANYONE puts up with this shit, conservative or otherwise. This is bullshit.

If Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to impeach Bush, and brain, Cheney, perhaps we should impeach her first, because this is getting ridicules, gas prices at almost $ 4.00 a gallon, no wheat or ryan from the bread basket producer of the world? I want Bush and Cheney out of there, AND I cannot be the only one who wants Mr. favortism GONE.

^

mhr, do you have a relative named Swan?
Just askin'

Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war.

Hmmmm, only 4,000 americans killed and we get to this low point in approval. It took 40,000 dead to get to this level in Vietnam. We can't be ten times smarter, can we?

It's more like the money.

Hey, Kevin, have you seen the SEIU and CNA's ads targeting each other?

There's one with a baby on your page. Clicking through doesn't explain really how the patients are hurt, but they're invoking it anyhow.

deaths do figure into it but there's more to it.more were killed at gettysburg than in iraq. look at the death tolls for single wwi and wwii battles. it's ain't the money either. rather it's the way this war was sold, the duplicity of the people who started it and continue to be responsible for its conduct. it's the hopeless mess that's been created with semmingly no good way out.

oh, and truthpolitik, tell us how the media has MISinformed us about the conduct of the war — other than acting as cheerleaders for the conflict back in 2002-03?

It's a combo - lives, money, no visible endpoint, and most of all time elapsed. We're five years into this thing, with no sign of how it ends, and an ongoing burden. This wasn't sold as an eternal commitment, and we're now seeing a ot of other strains building up too - food and energy inflation raging, the shrub's second recession (after a mediocre recovery as far as most people were concerned) and a growing realization that there's a steep tab to pay for both the war and the incredible corruption the GOP brought with them into power.

Plus, the shrub's response to the growing bad news has been nothing if not pathological - transparent lies and a refusal to even consider any alternative views.

What's interesting is the 36% on the other side.

Why ain't it over yet, and him/them in JAIL? Why not Nationalize the mercenary contractos, seize the assets and then give a tax cut??

The next 6,000 months will be important...........

Check that graph. 23% of us in mid-year 2003 knew it and protested. We had the "Invade Iraq. NO!" stickers on our car. We watched in horror as Bush/Cheney became re-selected. The flag was stuck on antennas and "Support the Troops" was all that mattered. We were marginalized, and called irrelevant by the commander guy.
--

Now what... ? It does no good to say we were right. The damage is done. This country learned nothing from Vietnam. And will learn less from Iraq.

Get ready for the pain. This long national war binge is going to be followed by chaos. This one will really hurt.

PS: Don't be surprised if the Dem Convention will break out in protests. Outside and inside. 1968... 2008. How poetic.

I'm sure we'll do much better in Iran now that we've learned so much from Iraq.

A White House that tries to hide a war, and its consequences, and liesa about the reasons for fighting it, shouldn't be surprised to find it becoming an unpopular war.

The greatest disgrace of all is the furtive and shoddy treatment given to the bereaved, whose husbands and wives are returned at night from the battlefields of Iraq, to a closed-down Dover airport -- and who are denied the honours of a proper burial ceremony, because the administration wants to pretend no one is dying. (Viz the ceremony at Arlington recently, where the media was kept out with barriers.)

This military empire that the United States has created will bankrupt us as surely as it bankrupted the empires that have gone before us. We don't even enjoy the fruits of our plunder - as we allow the Iraqi government (if you can call it that) and the insurgents to sell their own oil, while we pay $3.50 a gallon for gasoline.

Democrats need to take on the military-industrial complex head-on, if they win the White House and cut spending by at least half. The trillions we spend on the military has absolutely nothing to do with national defense and everything to do with forward power projection and the costs of empire.

Peggy Noonan today. Always the last clown in the Volkswagen.

Peggy Noonan today. Always the last clown in the Volkswagen.

The war is unpopular. So what? It goes on.

The prez is unpopular. So what? Bush and Cheney linger on, with McCain looming on the Horizon.

I don't see any groundswell of opposition to the war in Congress, don't see Congress rushing to disown Bush's policies.

Polls don't mean shit.

It's the "W". Americans love a winner, hate a loser.

It has finally dawned on the 63% that Iraq is a hopeless loser. No way will this turd ever turn into a gold nugget, until we leave.

Most people, except the idealogues, have accepted that we are occupiers and Iraq will never be anything but a cluster, until we leave.

Mudwall

Just pointing out that the media seems to have forgotten about aids. About 900 American Soldiers per year are killed in Iraq. About 14,000 Americans per year are killed by aids. It seems to me that aids should be getting more attention by the media.

And yet the guy who wants to continue the policies of Bush and continue this war that is so unpopular is dead even with the Democratic challenger? It boggles the mind.

Is this because a large majority wish the war had never been started but now think we can't leave?

Just pointing out that the media seems to have forgotten about aids.

I see your point, Truth, and I agree, but it's not like the media has been spending any of its time covering the war. They've moved on, I mean, who has time for war when there are preachers flag pins to talk about!

ckelly - I think that's right. A lot of Americans still think we can find a pony somewhere in the roomful of crap. It's that Eternal Optimism (tm) Americans are known for (and will probably lead to our ruin).

truthpolitik: About 14,000 Americans per year are killed by aids.

actually..here's the better analogy

Police deaths up sharply in 2007, groups find - MSNBC 12/27/07

The report counted the deaths of 186 officers as of Dec. 26.

meanwhile in iraq in 2007....

901-soldiers were killed (a record)..

so let's review...

police killed on duty in usa 2007: 186
troops killed on duty - iraq 2007: 901

fyi...usa is 12-times larger than iraq..

weird huh..

and kevin...those poll results are bad even though the pentagon doesn't allow pictures of the dead troops arrivals.

War? Is there a war somewhere?

So Kevin thinks this is a good thing, that the politicalization of the war has produced a 60 plus % who think it was a bad idea? It would be nice if he had a broader view of what is best for America.

By the way, has Kevin yet acknowledged how wrong he was a month ago in declaring without information that the Basra initiative was a disaster? I'm sure he sincerely believes the Iraq War was a mistake, but why can't opponents at least be open to success and favorable developments. The Sunnis have returned to participation in the government and the following is from the Timesonline:

"Young women are daring to wear jeans, soldiers listen to pop music on their mobile phones and bands are performing at wedding parties again.

All across Iraq’s second city life is improving, a month after Iraqi troops began a surprise crackdown on the black-clad gangs who were allowed to flourish under the British military. The gunmen’s reign had enforced a strict set of religious codes."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3671861.ece

Brian quoted: "Young women are daring to wear jeans, soldiers listen to pop music on their mobile phones and bands are performing at wedding parties again."

You mean, the stuff they were already allowed to do when Saddam was in power?

"So Kevin thinks this is a good thing, that the politicalization of the war has produced a 60 plus % who think it was a bad idea?"

Dear heart, where did Kevin say it was a "good thing?" Reading comprehension isn't your forte, is it? Moreover, it's rather silly to pretend that the 60% who oppose this war are doing so because it was "politicized". Most of us oppose it because it was stupid and because of the damage it has done to the U.S. and to Iraq.

"It would be nice if he had a broader view of what is best for America."

He does, dear, as do we. Alas that you seem to have lost sight of that view since it's only in neocon fantasies that the Iraq war is "best for America".

brian: why can't opponents at least be open to success and favorable developments.

Sen. McCain on CNN on Sept. 24, 2002: “I believe that the success will be fairly easy.�

"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. - Dick Cheney [3/16/03]

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." –President Bush, standing under a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the USS Lincoln aircraft carrier, May 2, 2003

"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." --Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005

been there done that brian...

the better question is...why do you still believe?