Good luck with that. Hillary doesn't care about race. She cares about power.Hers.

Liberals should kiss 2008 good bye.

When liberal pundits are falling all over themselves to prove their bona fide by condemning Wright as if that was the main issue, and the Lady is speaking in tongues animated by the Republican talking points, there is no way a Democrat can win the White House.

Well, I am fine with that. The hundred years war will be good for some industries.

Maybe Obama could give a speech about misogyny too. That's probably not going to happen. Also, Clinton has given major speeches about race -- she went to the State of the Black Union and gave a long and interesting speech there. Crickets from the press, who wanted to paint her and former Pres. Clinton as devious racists. Does that count? Obama wanted to play his campaign as post-race -- because a "race" candidate doesn't, supposedly, win elections. The other tactic he could have taken was a partisan, class-based, coalitional approach, a la Edwards. Clinton has moved towards this, Obama chose to be post-race, post-class and post-partisan.

If she makes a big speech on race before this primary is over, I will donate a years salary to the Washington Monthly.

Dream On. She's all about one thing. Destroying her opponent.

I would stillrather be doing this now than in August. In a month the MSM will move on to the latest celebutard panty flash.

No, it's only at 3:00 in the morning that you don't get to duck the tough issues.

Seriously, Kevin is suggesting that Sen. Clinton alter the entire tone of her campaign in response to a public relations uproar that is damaging only her opponent. I can' think of any politician who would do anything like this in her position, and were I in her position I wouldn't do it either.

huh? you think Hillary would lend a hand to the guy she's trying to knock off? and how on earth could she decry the idea of using guilt by association while she's also pushing the idea that Obama is guilty of his associations with Bill Ayers ?

i'm pretty sure there's no chapter on "repudiating ugliness" in Karl Rove's Guide To Political Campaign, and she's playing this one by the book.

Not easy unless of course you're the republican candidate. Then you get to duck anything you want.

Hillary and race? What is she gonna do, wear black-face?

Here is her honest message.

Yes, we have racism in this country, and it affects all of us. But, so what. Even though I, Hillary Clinton, also suffer the disease, you can still vote for me because some of my racial stereotypes are positive.

That was Bill's secret. He picked the positive stereotypes and went with that, you know, barbecue ribs and jazz Sax.

Hillary should do the same, she has a lot of issues she can side with black women with, for example, black men are generally jackasses in their treatment of black women. I am sure she can run with that.

Why not? What the fuck is any politician gonna say about racism, except they practice more sensibly than most.

This might be true: some of Wright's comments, especially his impromptu answers to questions about AIDS and Louis Farrakhan, are obviously damaging as hell to Obama's cause.

Obviously? I think not.

Mr. Obama is not accountable for Mr. Wright's opinions any more than he is accountable for Howard Dean's opinions, Tom Coburn's opinions, or Oprah Winfrey's opinions.

Mr. Wright made comments that make some white folks uncomfortable. Boogity-boo!

Hillary Clinton giving a speech on race! There's a horror I had never contemplated. If y'all have the stomach to listen to such a thing, can you report back to me?

Drum: The rapidly congealing conventional wisdom suggests that Obama is in deep trouble after Jeremiah Wright's remarks yesterday and needs to disown him completely.

The conventional wisdom is more like an echo chamber. Wright is an grossly exaggerated issue because a few people want a distraction from the very real and relevant issues that we should be talking about.

As for Clinton; yeah, Hillary doing something like what Seib's suggesting would be wonderful and would speak well towards her character...But I don't think she would do it, because the hits Obama is taking as a result of all this manufactured outrage is strengthening her hand politically.

Wait, I know...

Hillary could simply explain that a great many white Americans are also under the sway of preachers who are egomaniacally full of shit.

Hillary Clinton is not a black radical. Let's get that straight. At the same time, HRC has done a lot of work, in her capacity as a child advocate, as the first lady of arkansas & the us, as a senator to improve the lives of poor people and people of color. She's not some crazy, power hungry, monster racist. Demonize her if you've got your misogynistic hackles up, but she's done good work : working for the Children's Defense Fund, organizing the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, establishing and chairing the Grameen micro-lending operation in Arkansas, designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

Headline: Hypocrisy runs amok in American medias latest pundit frothing.

The media get stupider by the minute, but what should one expect when it becomes nothing more than National Enquirerism.

The conventional wisdom is wrong on this.

Why doesn't someone in the conventional media say the truth:

Wrigh is not running for president, he doesn't work for Obama, he doesn't speak for Obama.

What exactly does this have to do with Obama's campaign?

Why in heck should Hillary give a speech to pull Obama out of the morass his pastor has got him stuck in. This is Obama's problem. And since his campaign has spent every effort to paint the Clintons as racist, what good would it do for Hillary to give a talk on race since the Obama campaign would then immediately say that all she was doing was pandering for the black vote.

Shit Kevin, why don't you just put on your tin foil hat and repeat the Obamatron conspiracy theory that it was a Clinton supporter that invited Wright to speak at the National Press Club.

Let's look at conventional wisdom:

Opposing the Iraq War will destroy your career

Hillary Clinton is the inevitable nominee

There is an emergine permanent Republican majority.

The isn't conventional wisdom, its an echo chamber.

Am I the only one that isn't offended by Wright's support of Farrakahn and his case about AIDS? Perhaps I'm more radical than I (or Pale Rider) think. But I don't think we know everything about how AIDS happened, and I do believe (as an HIV+ individual) that HIV likely jumped from monkey's used in cancer trials in Africa to humans. And while it might not have been intentional (I tend to poo poo conspiracy theories), it is another example of medical testing run amok and how that has a negative affect on people. In light of the Tuskegee experiments -- it would seem to be a pattern of negative affect on people of African decent as well.

BTW, what "exhuming mccarthy" said is almost exactly what Clinton said about Rev. Wright the other day. That the media needs to move on from Rev. Wright because Obama had said what he needed to say re: the good pastor. She can't run his campaign for him and you don't see Obama helping her out about Tuzla or with the rampant misogyny of the press corps.

Anybody who thinks that Presidential elections are won by candidates who confront the issues before them are either selling something or are just plain idiots.

Such venom regarding, what I perceive to be, a very sensible idea. I think both candidates should show some real leadership about both racism and sexism. Obama would do well to address sexism in this campaign. And Clinton would do well to address racism. There is no better time to clean out some of our nation's closets than during this election. That's partly what diversity is supposed to help with. Why not prove it?

Take the press to task for focusing on trivia, and the public as well for holding a black preacher to a different standard than white ones like John Hagee, whose comments have been every bit as incendiary as anything Wright has said.

Kevin,

This is nothing but standard liberal spin to try and make a moral equivalence where there is none. It might make for good copy preaching to the choir of your liberal commenters, but why can't you figure out why it won't fly with the American people.

So let me spell it out plainly for you.

1.

McCain accepted the endorsement of Hagee. He did not endorse Hagee, nor did he attend his church.

Barak Obama, attended Wright's church for 20 years. Payed sizable amounts of money to it. Had Wright perform his marriage and baptize his kids. Barak Obama endorsed Wright.

This is a huge difference. Why can't you see it.

2. Hagee's comments are about doctrinal differences. Wright's comments are about racial issues.

This is a huge difference. Why can't you see it.

Handleless: Demonize her if you've got your misogynistic hackles up, but she's done good work.

Yes she has. She's also run a shitty campaign. Shitty on several different levels; one of which is that she tends to do what's right only when it's politically expedient.

Now, you can take this legitimate, reality-based criticism as an example of 'misogyny'...But if you are taking valid criticism of Clinton - and the only gender-specific word I've used is 'she' - as an Attack On All Women, then you apparently have no idea what 'misogyny' really means.

The more you use the term 'misogyny' where it doesn't apply, the less power it has, and the more people are less likely to take your application of it seriously.

Demonize her if you've got your misogynistic hackles up,

the pre-emptive gender card ! nicely done.

Where was Barack at the State of the Black Union conference? Hillary was the only one who showed up there. She gave a speech and sat for a Q&A with Tavis Smiley. That was a long, long time ago apparently (2/23/2008).

Clinton rules seem to be in full force today.

It was Obama and his supporters who injected race into the election. Now that it is backfiring it's up to Hillary to help stop it? You've got to be kidding?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/203

Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

Don Henley-The Garden of Allah

Sorry Radix, if you're going to look to music lyrics, particularly Don Henley's, in the context of the campaigns, you have to start with Dirty Laundry.

The Wall Street Journal is one of the most racist media organizations in America. The Wall Street Journal can provide no guidance or advice to any Democratic candidates on the issues of race, economics or constitutional law. Most Americans never read the lies the Wall Street Journal prints. The Wall Street Journal is an exclusive newspaper for an exclusive clientele, and its agenda is to make the rest of America indentured to their wealth.

This Rev. Wright story is an attempt by the powers of wealth to cloud the thinking of most Americans with racial prejudice. The wealth represented by the Wall Street Journal does not want the political economy to change its emphasis on continuing the accumulation of our economy's growth to the wealthiest. The Wall Street Journal's publishers want working class people to continue voting against their best economic interests, and the best way to do that is to appeal to their native racial bigotry. Conservative moderates, like the White working class, seem to be susceptible to the same biases, thinking a Black leader's opinions about HIV and Louis Farrakhan damage Sen. Obama's candidacy because he questions White supremacy, science and charity.

It's not a preemptive misogyny card. It might not have been in reply to your post directly, but look at the first comment in this thread and others within. They state the misogynistic trope that Hillary Clinton will do anything to win -- "Good luck with that. Hillary doesn't care about race. She cares about power.Hers." That's misogyny, right there. With Clinton, wanting to win is about being power hungry and ambitious -- an uppity woman. With Obama, wanting to win is not. "The reality-based" thing is also a nice misogynistic trope, as if only you had access to it. I presented some facts and responded to what exists in this thread. But rather than looking at those facts or attempting to look at what is written here and think what might possibly be considered misogynistic about the trope of the power hungry vagina dentata that is Hillary Clinton, you'd rather dismiss them in favor of saying I played the gender card.

Good lord.

When conventional wisdom takes a gruesome turn, and congeals like so much bacon grease, and an A-list blogger asserts the development as though it were fact, watch out!

Actual wisdom, say Proverbs 15:1, suggests that Obama's response thus far has been best: A soft answer turneth away wrath.

Obama's words and his actions stand in the starkest contrast to the division-loving rabble-rousing rhetoric of Rev. Wright. Most Americans can see this. The rest, those storied congealers of CW, see what they want.

Hillary needs to talk about what we the voters want to hear, not what MSM is shoving down our collective eye-balls.

The demoncrats are mired in a weird battle of "non" sensical drivel that has nothing to do with the economical mess our country is in.

We can talk racism all we want but the fact is humans have not exactly evolved beyond trashing others. There will always be hatred, regardless of what some on the left believe.

The bickering, the tit-for-tat (no I don't mean breast!) has gotten out of control.

To win the presidency, the democrats have got to COME TOGETHER RIGHT NOW. Not August, May 2008. Unless they do.... game over. 2012 is a long way off, why blow this election over petty crap?

I do not remember any conservative pundits condemning GWB's embrace of racist schools in Carolinas, or McCain's reversal on Falwell or McCain actively seeking Hagees' endorsement or what not.

As it is liberal pundits do not have much influence on the direction of political events but their cowardly attitude on such issues makes them even less influential.

Why do the liberals have to call for Obama or Clinton to address this or that manufactured issues cooked up by the right?

This is disgusting, and lays bare the microcosm of what is actually wrong with the left: they never stay together and are easily manipulated by the authoritarians of the right.

Makes me want to puke.

I didn't realize that as part of pledge week, Aaron Sorkin would be guest-writing Political Animal.

Hillary already did address this issue.

She said, "Wright would not have been my pastor".

Hagee's comments are about doctrinal differences. Wright's comments are about racial issues. - John Hansen

The Catholic Church is the great Whore, God wants us to attack Iran? These are doctrinal? You're out of your mind.

….Hillary Clinton could go a long way toward easing the tension that's threatening to open a very deep breach within the Democratic Party….Kevin Drum 11:36 AM

So it's All Clinton's Fault. After you allowed your blog to be a misogynistic Clinton bashing party, it's now up to her to save Obama's butt. According to Obams supporters, Clinton is racist even though she has worked against racism since '68

…In her junior year, Rodham became a supporter of the anti-war presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.[24] Following the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students to recruit more black students and faculty…

Of course, Obama is blameless, never used the race card in South Carolina to solidify the African-American vote, never lied about his anti-war record or hers and on and on. It was Obama that made Wright an issue.

… Wright is not an incidental figure in Obama's life, or his politics. The senator "affirmed" his Christian faith in this church; he uses Wright as a "sounding board" to "make sure I'm not losing myself in the hype and hoopla." Both the title of Obama's second book, The Audacity of Hope, and the theme for his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 come from Wright's sermons. "If you want to understand where Barack gets his feeling and rhetoric from," says the Rev. Jim Wallis, a leader of the religious left, "just look at Jeremiah Wright."
According to Obama, Wright was dumped from the kick-off event because of this Rolling Stone profile. For our money, the fact that Obama originally planned to include Wright is one of the most remarkable facts we know about modern politics. Whatever one might think of Wright’s views, it was always clear that they made him a political time-bomb. “This is as openly radical a background as any significant American political figure has ever emerged from,� Rolling Stone judged. But for the next year, the mainstream press corps made little attempt to explore this. …

When I see the tension in the Democratic Party, I see the endless Clinton bashing on Kos, Democratic Underground, Consortium, Balloon Juice, and numerous other liberal blogs; and, until it's your ox now being gored, you were cool with it.

Just a word, as Somerby points out in the link above, it's better to have this out in the primaries than the general election.

Kenga, While dirty laundry is pretty good, I chose my quote because much of what we see and hear, especially considering the charges of racial politics against the Clintons, is due to quote manipulation, more than Dirty Laundry.

Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

Don Henley-The Garden of Allah

McCain accepted the endorsement of Hagee.

Wrong. McCain *solicited* the endorsement of Hagee. He actively pursued it. He wants to get in good with the whack jobs & bigots in your party. And just so we're clear about just what kind of a whack job & bigot Hagee is:

Hagee on Catholicism
"Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews." [Jerusalem Countdown by John Hagee]

Hagee on Hurricane Katrina
"All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]

Hagee on Women
"Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist." [God's Profits: Faith, Fraud and the Republican Crusade for Values Voters, Sarah Posner]

Hagee on Homosexuality
"The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know that there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]

Hagee on Iran
"The coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty," Hagee wrote [in 2006] in the Pentecostal magazine Charisma. "Israel and America must confront Iran's nuclear ability and willingness to destroy Israel with nuclear weapons. For Israel to wait is to risk committing national suicide." [The Nation, 8/8/2006]

At the least Obama should promise not to make Wright his VP.

Kinda OT, but here's somethin I wrote about the lame anti-Obama criticism for going on Fox News

new dkos diary from me today, on anti-Obama criticism and Fox News

John Hansen on April 29, 2008 at 12:14 PM:

Barak Obama, attended Wright's church for 20 years.

Almost a decade before Obama entered politics, John Hansen.

Payed sizable amounts of money to it.

Supporting your church financially is not unheard of, John Hansen. Are you paying your 10% tithing?

Had Wright perform his marriage and baptize his kids.

Again, typical things that happen at a church you belong to, John Hansen.

Barak Obama endorsed Wright.

By condemning Wright's remarks.

This is a huge difference. Why can't you see it.

Because we use our heads for something other than a place to put our hats on, John Hansen.

Hagee's comments are about doctrinal differences.

Suggesting that Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for a planned gay-pride parade is a 'doctrinal difference'?

Wright's comments are about racial issues.

Yes, there's absolutely no way to relate minority issues to anything in Christ's teachings.

This is a huge difference. Why can't you see it.

It must be because we are not blind in the same way as you, John Hansen.

Just echoing what Quaker and Exhuming McCarthy said. And it can't be said enough.
This ginned up "Wright controversy" is deflecting attention from important issues in the campaign. I've no doubt the Republicans and the McCain campaign are doing all they can to keep it alive; they don't have to work hard, either, when the media is so enamored of the story and the self-righteousness it allows them to indulge. And why are liberals/progressives so quick to turn turn the the Wall Street Journal for talking points? We should demand that the same degree of attention be paid to McCain's finances, lobbyist connections, and multiple, long-running policy flip-flops. Probably won't happen, of course, but a girl can dream.

Drum: "Defend Wright where he's defensible and criticize him where he isn't. Repudiate the ugliness that's overtaken the campaign ... and say plainly that it's unfair to keep pretending that Obama bears responsibility for another person's words. Take the press to task for focusing on trivia, and the public as well for holding a black preacher to a different standard than white ones like John Hagee, whose comments have been every bit as incendiary as anything Wright has said.

I actually think a speech like that would keep the focus on the Wright issue for weeks, help her tremendously with Black voters, and win her the nomination

McCain and Hagee are both adulterers. I suggest the newpaper representing the extreme right wing of wealth editorialize about that and recommend McCain make a national speech about marriage, adultery and how to protect persoanal assets during a divorce.

John Hansen,
1) McCain actively sought Hagee's endorsement, has said he was proud to have it, and then, when pressed on Hagee's disgusting comments about New Orleans (which could hardly be dressed up as "doctrinal differences") responded with a hissy fit of "no's" and the media applauded him for it...but McCain is STILL happy to have Hagee's backing. This is almost worse because let's recall in 2000 McCain was running around calling folks like Falwell, Hagee and their ilk "agents of intolerence", but now it's ok to actively seek the backing of "men of the cloth" who say disgusting things about Muslims, Catholics, gays, etc.

2) Obama has not sought Wright's endorsement and I don't think Obama has "endorsed" Wright (what is he endorsing him for?). Perhaps you mean Obama has legitimized Wright by attending his church, but thousands of others had already done so, not to mention he's been ordained, so U.C.C. has done the same.

Still Handleless on April 29, 2008 at 12:24 PM:

It's not a preemptive misogyny card.

Why, yes, it is. Cleek was spot on.

It might not have been in reply to your post directly, but look at the first comment in this thread and others within.They state the misogynistic trope that Hillary Clinton will do anything to win...That's misogyny, right there.

That's hardly a gender-specific statement. Plently of people - of any gender - will take the low road in order to win.

Again; you are charging misogyny where it doesn't apply.

With Clinton, wanting to win is about being power hungry and ambitious -- an uppity woman.

Strawman erected!

With Obama, wanting to win is not.

Strawman pummelled!

"The reality-based" thing is also a nice misogynistic trope, as if only you had access to it.

Based on your misapplication of the charge of misogyny, I wonder if you live in a different reality, where criticism of a political candidate becomes an Attack On All Women.

I presented some facts...

Yes. You deserve a piece of strawberry rhubarb pie for that.

...and responded to what exists in this thread.

Nope. You're imagining things.

...the trope of the power hungry vagina dentata that is Hillary Clinton...

That just sounds funny.

...you'd rather dismiss them in favor of saying I played the gender card.

Your misapplication of the gender card is what causes your weak, pejorative argument to be dismissed.

Obama shouldn't have to "defend" himself from Rev. Wright's statements.
Hillary shouldn't have to address race, or allegations that she and Bill "played the race card."
We shouldn't have to discuss race or sex in relation to this campaign at all.
But this is America. You have to do a lot of things you shouldn't have to do, and talk about a lot of silly shit that you shouldn't have to talk about. Especially if you're running for political office. Double-especially if you're a Democrat. Does it suck? Yes.

That's misogyny, right there.

no, it isn't.

criticism of a woman is not misogyny. look it up.

But then, she wants to president, doesn't she? That's not a job where you get to duck the tough issues. —Kevin Drum 11:36 AM

After 8 years of Bush, you still believe this? :o

I am sick to death of the MSM playing the 'race card' as well as the "guilt by association" game and not playing it FAIRLY. If the MSM cannot bring Hagee and his FRIGHTENING LUNATIC so-called religious FRINGE organization to the forefront (along with the solicitation for endorsement from McCain), then the MSM is NOT providing the public with the ability to "decide" for itself what is FAIR in the 'guilt by association' game. Furthermore, if the MSM cannot bring HRCs involvement in "the Family or Fellowship" and this ELITIST "?religion?" EVEN MORE HORRIFIC LUNATIC FRINGE organization to the public forefront, then we will not be able to determine what is FAIR or CORRECT in the game of "guilt by association".

After seeing Wright in the NAACP fundraising and Nat'l. Press Club, along with having listened to his FULL SERMONS, I would never have known that he is not only witty, but charming and supremely intelligent. He makes Hagee and the Fellowship look like the KOOKS and LUNATICS they truly are! Intelligent Hagee and Coe are NOT. They are manipulating, menacing kooks who try to appear normal in our society, but fail miserably in my humble opinion. THE PUBLIC DEMANDS FULL KNOWLEDGE OF ALL CANDIDATES "GUILT BY ASSOCIATION" RELIGIOUS AFFILLATIONS; NOT JUST OBAMA.

So, for the MSM, either play the game of "guilt by association" FAIRLY WITH ALL THE CANDIDATES, or stop playing the damn thing altogether. I SAY "EQUAL TIME FOR ALL" to the MSM, or "NO TIME FOR ANY AT ALL" - you have a choice or I will continue to boycott your media and papers. outlets.

Even as we speak a 527 somewhere is probably researching all the churches Hill & Bill attended since 1974 or so for ministerial sermons that might have reflected Arkansas 20 years after Little Rock's school integration. Better yet maybe Hill & Bill mouthing their approval of some crowd pleasing ministerial statement.

Those who "live by the sword" ...

kevin drum-

this post has got to be one of the dumbest post's you have ever written.

i can't imagine you will be very proud of it a year or so from now.

do you actually expect one opponent in a political contest to bail out the other opponent from a problem he has created himself?

if so, you have about as much "feel" for the human side of politics as a person with end-stage neuropathy.

the shear obliviousness on your part to any sense on senator clinton's part of having been grossly mistreated by the obama camp on matters of "race"
is astonishing.

the obama campaign is clearly spreading some sort of neurologic virus among its supporters, a virus that turns fine, analytical minds to mush a few weeks after conversion to the obama cause.

markos zuniga picked up the infection

josh marshall became infected

and now

kevin drum.

oh, and by the way,

obama is a charming, bright and thoughtful man, but he is at best an average speaker with a number of bothersome mannerisms, including his tendency to repeatedly pause in strange ways.

do you have any more received wisdom on the demo contest to pedal to your readers today?

Clinton cannot do what you are asking her to do. For her to take the heat off Obama concedes any chance she has at the nomination.

Great idea, but there's a time and a place for everything.

How about during Hillary's acceptance speech?

"Repudiate the ugliness that's overtaken the campaign — much of it her own doing"

Kevin, there you go again.... Are you saying that this is somehow Hillary's fault? That she needs to fix it? She needs to bail him out?

Her campaign already released a statement suggesting that we should move on from this. I don't think she's required to do any more than that.

Hagee and McCain have nothing in common with Obama and wright's 20 year association. stop saying it's the same thing, it's not and you know it. Clearly if Mccain had attended Hagee's church for 20 years it would be a fair comparison. You can fault McCain rightly for pandering, but it's a hell of a stretch to suggest that somehow this is the same thing.

Radix - I see where you're coming from - of course, I also heard Dirty Laundry on the radio yesterday, and was struck by it - no doubt in part due to numerous posts I've seen recently, on media complicity in promulgating bullshit issues over substantive ones.

You don't really need to find out whats going on
You don't really want to know just how far its gone
Just leave well enough alone
Eat your dirty laundry

Which, I guess, meshes pretty well with your selection and point.

How is Hillary Clinton responsible for easing the racial tensions in her party? As late as last week Barack Obama was happily allowing Hillary and her husband to accept all of the responsibility for the racial tensions in their party. I didn't notice anyone's concern for the party when African American supporters of Hillary Clinton like Maxine Waters, Stephanie Tubbs and Sheila Jackson Lee were being attacked by Obama surrogates with the race card for not supporting him. Mr. Obama can defend himself just like every other politician in a similar situation has had to do. How well he is able to do so will determine if he is President. He does not get a pass because the mainstream media likes him and wants to help him out. Reverend Wright is his friend and his problem, and not Senator Clinton or anyone else's.

What has Hagee said thats in any way comparable to what Barack has allowed his little girls to listen to for the last several years? If Hillary had sat in the pew of a Rev. Ward Churchill and her congregation mocked and chortled at 911 while the rubble was still smoking, do you think Hagee's profundities would be equal to that? If we're going to have a conversation about race, let's have it, without the soft bigotry of low expectations. As long as the mainstream left keeps looking at their shoes while Wright is given a standing ovation by the NAACP, or Rep. William Jefferson is given a standing ovation by the Congressional Black Caucus, independents are going to consider McCain the straight talker in this election.

Yes, she should give a speech telling her beliefs on race relations in this country. And no she shouldn't try and help the 'wonder kid'. He made the mess he's in and if he hasn't got the aptitude to get himself out, then he shouldn't be running. He's played the race card trying to destroy the Clintons by making them out to be racists. He deserves what he's getting and I don't think she should be trying to save him. I'm astounded that anybody would even suggest that. Sure, she's good enough to keep him on track and to save his ass (present circumstances), but she isn't good enough to be president? Watch NC, My Friends. He's gonna lose it. And it's his fault!

I think Hillary's conduct will tell us exactly about how confident she is of actually getting the nomination. If she starts putting on her "human being" show again then I think you know she's feeling good about her position. If she continues with her running to the right of McCain then she still feels like she's going to lose.

Clinton did everything she needed to do yesterday.

She said that Wright was not an issue in the campaign, and that it was time to talk about issues.

The fact is that whatever she would try and say about race would be treated to the same kind of crap everything she says is treated to. And right now, the last thing we need is the media gasbags and the MUPpets and the Clymers and Sharptons to get ahold of something Clinton says about race, and twist it.

Simply being critical of Hillary's political shenanigans is not misogyny. To diagnose misogyny one has to certain of the motivation for the opinion. If you think all women who ruthlessly seek power are distasteful while men get a pass, then that would be misogyny because it demonstrates contempt because of gender or gender's relationship to someone's set of rules about how people should behave.

If you tolerate some ruthless politicians because you find them personally likable (male or female) but not others because they turn you off (male or female) then that is not misogyny either unless you rarely find ruthless women likable.

If you assume that critical comments made by men are misogynist then that is misandry. If you assume that misogynistic comments on blogs are probably made by men, then that is also misandry.

If you are in a very large river, then that is Mississippi.

The easiest place to find misogyny is in the lyrics of sensitive male singer songwriters who have been "hurt" by women. John Lennon really cranked 'em out. Like Eminem, apparently he had mommy issues. Check out the lyrics to "Run for Your Life" and "Norwegian Wood." I mean, burning down some bird's apartment cause you didn't get laid? Now that's misogyny.

well HRC would probably do a better job of saving Obama's ass than he's doing. But that's not her job and whatever she says she'll be condemned as a racist by the nutroots.

Bu the comletely absudity - Obama gets in touble and it's HER FAULT.

Ansd the complete absurdity that it's Clinton who has injected ugliness into the campaign - like what about Kos and the rest of the nutroots.

Andrew Sullivan and Kevin Drum and the rest really have gone off the deap end.

I think it is funny that lots of dudes are really, really positive about what misogyny is and isn't. The worst thing you can call a man is a man. The worst thing you can call a white person is a white person. The worst thing you can do is call a straight person a straight person. Enjoy your privilege and keep telling other people their experience's of your words aren't their experiences. It's gone good for you so far.

As long as the mainstream media keeps looking at their shoes while Pvt. Green is given a standing ovation by the VFW, or Mrs. William Jefferson Lieberman is given a standing ovation by AIPAC, independent racists are going to consider McCain the straight talker in this election.

" — much of it her own doing — "

Couldn't resist the dig at Clinton could you? Clinton Rules vs. Obama Rules as Left Coaster puts it.

While I am sympathetic to Senator Obama situation regarding his pastor, it is his situation to resolve not hers.

neil (4:44)

"kos and the rest of the nutroots"

nutroots

i like that a lot.

can i borrow it?

"Hillary already did address this issue.

She said, "Wright would not have been my pastor"."

Do you really think she would stay quietly in a church that talked about both her and her husband in the way the Rev. Wright did?

I think she's been very gracious considering.

BO used the race card when he accused Bill Clinton of being a racist for him comments in SC. It was the first but not the last such accusation. he should have thought about the effects of that long and hard... so should have the so called progressive blosphere before we got on the bandwagon.

He has created this situation for himself and it is his to resolve...

About Hillary not being as good a speaker as BO.. Well I guess beauty really is in the eyes of the beholder... She is an excellent communicator of ideas and she know how to control her emotions in a constructive way.. More than I can say for the boy candidate

As far as I know, Hillary is not a racist.

"As far as I know..."