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May 13, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

DUMB OR MENDACIOUS? OR BOTH?....Democrats are taking unsurprising glee in rubbing GOP noses in the fact that the new campaign slogan chosen by House Republicans — "Change You Deserve" — turns out to also be the trademarked slogan of the antidepressant Effexor. That's prepackaged comedy gold for the late-night comic crowd. But I'm genuinely curious: how did this happen? Didn't Boehner & Co. even bother to Google the phrase to see if anyone else was using it? It shows up in a 10-second search, after all.

I dunno. Maybe they really are that dumb. And judging by this, they're just flat-out liars too. Nice week you're having so far, guys.

Kevin Drum 11:15 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (41)

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All this on top of House Republicans voting against"celebrating the role of mothers in the United States and supporting the goals and ideals of Mother's Day."

Did someone say "party of values?"

Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on May 13, 2008 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

Wow - Boehner and Cantor's statement is... wow. I'd love to see democrats swing back hard against this sort of thing. Something along the lines of: Boehner and Cantor are either intentionally misleading the American people, in which case they are dishonorable men, or they utterly lack reading comprehension skills, in which case they are unfit to be trusted with the task fo drafting legislation.

Posted by: christor on May 13, 2008 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK

kevin, i'll go with dumb.
plus, everybody paying attention this spring already knows who the party of change is.....
originality isn't a strong suit of conservative "thinking."

Posted by: dj spellchecka on May 13, 2008 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

The slogan is a campaign contribution from the pharma industry. Its value should be imputed and counted as a contribution.

Posted by: Brojo on May 13, 2008 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

As to the dumb, they're insular old men.
I doubt they know much about the Internet.

As to the lying, they're politicians.

Posted by: Fred on May 13, 2008 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK

So the Republicans are trying to equate their party with an antidepressant? Don't they wish.

Posted by: searcy on May 13, 2008 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK

Mendacious and deliberately so, which makes them much worse than merely dishonorable. Boehner et al understand all too well that a lie such as this will be endlessly repeated by Drudge, Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham and all the other kleine Gauleiters in wingerland well before the correction runs on page A26.

Posted by: R. Porrofatto on May 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINK

I think they are serious, and it is quite refreshing, actually, to see a pair of Republicans no less to acknowledge the mental anguish that their party's rule has caused among most of the American and to promise to fix the problems that they have created.

I applaud their candor and sense of duty to the country.

Posted by: gregor on May 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINK

What happened? For years, the GOP was so good at taking every little Dem comment out of context and hitting the collective fainting couch. But this is just pathetic. Do they realize that accusing the presumptive Democratic nominee of anti-antisemitism is so loaded, the press will actually have to check the actual quote, which would quickly reveal what a ridiculous lie they've conjured up? The media likes to play along in the outrage game, but this is ridiculous. A little Effexor might do them some good.

Posted by: NHCt on May 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

I'm going to say both, but I'm not sure about the the proportions.

I'll say 40% dumb, 60% mendacious. Cantor's not entirely dim, but I certainly don't trust him.

Posted by: PC on May 13, 2008 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

My father takes Effexor, and it has done him a lot of good. Maybe this will help market the drug to people who need it. Thanks, Republicans!

Posted by: anonanon on May 13, 2008 at 11:52 AM | PERMALINK

WARNING: (And hopefully anonymous)

If you or a loved one are taking or considering taking effexor (venlafaxine), PLEASE DO YOURSELF A FAVOR and google it's side effects and withdrawal symptoms. Withdrawal symptoms for EFFEXOR can mean missing a dose, or even delaying a dose for a few hours.

I have tried several different SSRIs and never experienced anything like the withdrawal of EFFEXOR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_zaps
brainzaps.com

In addition, I've had effexor related tinitus constantly for four months. And yes, my MD and I are trying to wean me off this shit.

The FDA should place the CxOs and their children of any big pharma drug on the very drug they want to shove on the rest of us.

DO NOT TAKE EFFEXOR!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 13, 2008 at 12:00 PM | PERMALINK

what Anonymous said. I have a family member on Effexor and it's made things worse.

Posted by: even more anonymouser on May 13, 2008 at 12:06 PM | PERMALINK

QiaB: ...House Republicans voting against"celebrating the role of mothers in the United States and supporting the goals and ideals of Mother's Day."

That's not what happened. House Republicans voted against tabling a motion to reconsider. The motion failed, so the original vote (which was unanimous in favor of mothers) stood.

The question is whether the reconsideration was a sincere attempt to let all members vote on the resolution or whether it was stalling for stalling's sake, which is GOP SOP.

Posted by: on May 13, 2008 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK

QiaB: ...House Republicans voting against"celebrating the role of mothers in the United States and supporting the goals and ideals of Mother's Day."

That's not what happened. House Republicans voted against tabling a motion to reconsider. The motion failed, so the original vote (which was unanimous in favor of mothers) stood.

The question is whether the reconsideration was a sincere attempt to let all members vote on the resolution or whether it was stalling for stalling's sake, which is GOP SOP.

Posted by: Grumpy on May 13, 2008 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK

psych meds make a person absentminded. that, and a drug like Effexor which needs to be taken at a pretty strict interval, are not a recipe for good outcomes.
if the person is closely watched and can be assured to take the meds regularly, that might be better. don't know.

Posted by: even more anonymouser on May 13, 2008 at 12:09 PM | PERMALINK

Like the vast majority of so-called mainstream media "journalists," Boner & Co. regard the internet as a source of cheap airline tickets and porn, and little else. The idea of using "the google" to check on things like trademarked slogans or verifiable statements on Israel is simply beyond their rapidly-ossifying comprehension.

Posted by: bluestatedon on May 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM | PERMALINK

I have a question. Does the fact that Boehner's (and others') lies are getting more and more obvious, requiring a greater and greater degree of stupidity and/or gullibility to believe, point to the decreasing mean intelligence of the shrinking population of right-wing dead-enders?

It makes sense that people wise up in proportion to their smarts, and here seems to be more proof of that, no?

Posted by: DH Walker on May 13, 2008 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

Before giving a person EFFEXOR, doctors should make sure that:

A) The person will take the drug at the same time everytime and
B) Drug by mail pharmacies that some med plans require WILL NEVER LOSE A SHIPMENT or delay it by one day
C) Or had a business or vacation extend by several days.

In short, a drug like effexor with really shitty withdrawal symptoms should never be taken by anyone other than a roomba living in a pharmacy.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 13, 2008 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

subliminal mccain on faux news at infowars.com, must see!

Posted by: mrmakymkay on May 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

I took Effexor for two years, at what my doctor thought was a very low dosage. It was effective short-term help for one of the problems I was grappling with.

But the withdrawal was very very unpleasant.

Posted by: joel hanes on May 13, 2008 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

It is another example of why the Republican Party is in the middle of a complete collapse. I guess the idiot children of donors were unable to find a computer and search for the term. I guess when the 20 somethings realize that the Republican party was doomed, everyone left but the idiots who ended up as their staffers.

Posted by: superdestroyer on May 13, 2008 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

I'll go with both. Not only are they using a slogan for a drug, it's a drug with horrible side effects.

Sounds like they picked the appropriate folks (Pharma) to crib from.

Posted by: Cal Gal on May 13, 2008 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

I think it is surprising they didn't do a simple Google search as well.

I work in the corporate world where I often need to come up with new names and slogans for me, and I can't sneeze without having to get approval from the legal department.

It is astonishing to me that an organization of any type or size does anything marketing related without at least making a cursory attempt to make sure it doesn't already exist.

Frankly, this is the kind of organizational incompetence I expect from the Democratic party. Maybe the worm finally HAS turned.

Posted by: BombIranForChrist on May 13, 2008 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

"Repubexor® may not be for everyone. If you experience total disconnect from reality; thoughts that everything is someone else's fault; sudden strong sexual or gambling urges; or delusions that tax cuts and/or military intervention will solve any problem, discontinue use immediately. Side effects may include: nausea; dry mouth..."

Jump in, anyone can do it!

Posted by: Jeff (no, the other one) on May 13, 2008 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

I hear they're changing it to:

"Change, you got served."

Posted by: chiggins on May 13, 2008 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK

If your Boehner lasts longer than four hours, take an Effexor.

Posted by: AJB on May 13, 2008 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK

I took Effexor for two years, at what my doctor thought was a very low dosage. It was effective short-term help for one of the problems I was grappling with.

But the withdrawal was very very unpleasant.

Oddly, I think the country has been on a financial version of Effexor™ for the last several years. I think it has started to poop out.

Posted by: Doc at the Radar Station on May 13, 2008 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK

I have a family member on Effexor and it's made things worse.

So this slogan fits the GOP like a glove then?

Posted by: ckelly on May 13, 2008 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

"That's not what happened. House Republicans voted against tabling a motion to reconsider. The motion failed, so the original vote (which was unanimous in favor of mothers) stood."

But Grumpy, according to the Washington Post:

On Wednesday afternoon, the House had just voted, 412 to 0, to pass H. Res. 1113, "Celebrating the role of mothers in the United States and supporting the goals and ideals of Mother's Day," when Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), rose in protest.

"Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote," he announced.

Rep. Kathy Castor (D-Fla.), who has two young daughters, moved to table Tiahrt's request, setting up a revote. This time, 178 Republicans cast their votes against mothers.

Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on May 13, 2008 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

I can't seem to get this link to work!

The House Republicans voted in favor--then 178 voted for a chance to take it back.

Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on May 13, 2008 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

This is similar to "enhanced interrogation techniques," which you may notice has given way to "harsh interrogation techniques." Take a guess why. That's right, it's been used before - by the Gestapo in 1939. These guys just know how to pick them.

Posted by: maxgowan on May 13, 2008 at 2:37 PM | PERMALINK

Inspiring motto's aren't really a BushCo strong point. The Air Force has adopted "Above All". Perhaps someone should have advised them of the consequences the last time some used that particular term - as in "uber alles".

Posted by: Joshua Norton on May 13, 2008 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

Posted by: Jeff (no, the other one) on May 13, 2008 at 1:18 PM

"Repubexor® may not be for everyone. If you experience total disconnect from reality; thoughts that everything is someone else's fault; sudden strong sexual or gambling urges; or delusions that tax cuts and/or military intervention will solve any problem, discontinue use immediately. Side effects may include: nausea; dry mouth..."

That was hilarious, thank you.

Posted by: tamstaafl on May 13, 2008 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

I think we need to help the Repulicans with their sloganeering, because they are having a hard time of it. Here's my effort:

"Change You Can Sleep In"

accompanied by pictures of homeless persons.

Posted by: dan robinson on May 13, 2008 at 6:41 PM | PERMALINK

QiaB: "But Grumpy, according to the Washington Post..."

I read that WaPo article too, and "178 Republicans cast their votes against mothers" is not supported by the record of what actually happened. Misleading, in fact.

Posted by: Grumpy on May 13, 2008 at 8:00 PM | PERMALINK

178 Republicans voted in favor of a motion to reconsider (retract and subject to additional debate) a vote "Celebrating the role of mothers in the United States and supporting the goals and ideals of Mother's Day,".

Regardless of their actual intent, it seems perfectly reasonable to characterize this as "voting against motherhood". That is certainly the way they would portray Democracts if the roles were reversed.

It is even more reasonable to do so given that their actual intent was to use any means at their disposal to slow down the operation of the House and make sure that nothing of any significance is accomplished. Republicans in Congress have been doing this at one level or another ever since the Democrats control and then turning around and complaining publicly about the do-nothing "Democratic" Congress.

So please, go ahead and accuse them of voting against motherhood and then let THEM try to explain what they were really doing.

Posted by: on May 13, 2008 at 11:21 PM | PERMALINK

The middle part of the previous post should read"

"...ever since Democrats took control..."

Posted by: tanstaafl on May 13, 2008 at 11:24 PM | PERMALINK

Here is what they need:

!! Cheney for twelve !!

Posted by: DIck on May 14, 2008 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

Here is what they need:

!! Cheney for twelve !!

Posted by: DIck on May 14, 2008 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

Apple Inc.'s new data synching service got off to a rocky start Thursday, as some users were denied access to their accounts just hours before the next-generation iPhone is slated to go on sale.

Posted by: TessrTorn on July 15, 2008 at 7:23 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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