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May 15, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

PANIC IN THE RANKS....The sense of panic among Republicans after their congressional loss in Louisiana on Tuesday is pretty remarkable. Here's Scott Reed, a former RNC official: "Republican leadership needs to really take a good look in the mirror. They're taking the party off the cliff." And Tom DeLay: ""We haven't hit bottom yet. I've never seen members so frustrated or demoralized."

There's plenty more where that came from, and the most popular response seems to be a stampede by everyone to run away from everyone else. John McCain doesn't want to be associated with Congress, the GOP congressional caucus doesn't want to be associated with George Bush, and Bush himself is on autopilot, currently in Israel accusing Democrats of being the heirs of Neville Chamberlain. Meanwhile everyone agrees that the Republican "brand" is now toxic. Maybe they need a new slogan?

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Well if they don't like their copyrighted change slogan and with the rebate checks a -flowing.

How about "Change you can spend."

Posted by: dontcallmefrancis on May 15, 2008 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK

You mean Mississippi, don't you Kevin? We worked so hard to win that one, hate to see it lost in the haze of misfired synapse.

Posted by: MC on May 15, 2008 at 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, a coworker just told me about Bush, sitting in the Knesset, telling folks that Obama was the next coming of Neville Chamberlain.

I mean, wow. In ISRAEL? This has got to be some special invocation of Godwin's Law.

Posted by: DHS on May 15, 2008 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK

Louisiana? On Tuesday? Don't you mean Mississippi?

Posted by: nemo on May 15, 2008 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

"Maybe they need a new slogan?"

They should try It's Clinton's Fault.

Posted by: reino on May 15, 2008 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

They said It's Carter's Fault all the way through the 1992 election.

Posted by: nemo on May 15, 2008 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

Bush, sitting in the Knesset, telling folks that Obama was the next coming of Neville Chamberlain.

Reminds me of that old legal saw, "...If you can't argue the law or facts, attack your adversary."

Bush has little, if any, legit ammo. So about all he can do is call names.

Posted by: keith g on May 15, 2008 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

Reino: In a way, it is Clinton's fault. They couldn't beat Obama, denying them a chance to take them on again in the fall. Now they've got nothing. Taste their tears, they're so salty and delicious.

Posted by: JZ on May 15, 2008 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

Join the GOP to keep the next version of the party from being totally rebuilt by the complete nutcases.

Posted by: Carl Nyberg on May 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM | PERMALINK

Whatever it is, the new slogan should be in Mandarin as payback for financing the war and the voter bribe -- I mean, tax rebate.

Posted by: skimble on May 15, 2008 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

Could it be that the republicans are figuring out that tying themselves to Bush has been like tying themselves to an anchor and throwing it in the deep end? Maybe embracing everything that sprang from the brow of this administration has not been so good in the long run?

Maybe.

Posted by: TomStewart on May 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

"Republicans: the party of chance."

Posted by: slanted tom on May 15, 2008 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

it's worth remembering that Bush's grandfather was a close business partner of the companies that financed Hitler and the Nazi's rise to power, even well after the US and Germany were formally at war. And he's comparing Obama and appeasers?

now watch this drive.

[puke]

Posted by: on May 15, 2008 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

Fascism: it isn't just for breakfast anymore?

Posted by: on May 15, 2008 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

Bush should know appeasers, he's been kissing bin Laden's ass for almost a 7 years. Remember his stiring words after 9/11? "Wanted, Dead or Alive or in a Vacation Resort in Pakistan."

Posted by: tomeck on May 15, 2008 at 12:55 PM | PERMALINK

Cornered rats are the most dangerous. America has entered a very dangerous time, and the Republican government may act out in ways that doom the future even more than they already have.

Posted by: Brojo on May 15, 2008 at 12:56 PM | PERMALINK

Seems like the GOP has more than an image problem to deal with. Everyone of their problems is the result of their philosophy of governance. It will take more than lipstick to dress up that pig.

Posted by: AK Liberal on May 15, 2008 at 12:56 PM | PERMALINK

A democratic landslide would be nice. I want the Republican Party to be so marginalized the Democrats in Congress can just blatantly ignore then. Mock them. (Preferably investigate and prosecute them).

There's still a problem in this country. Bush won in 2004 after being shown to be a complete idiot, one who would lie this country into an unnecessary war. He beat Kerry with little more than a sneer and a smirk.

But I'll take what I can get - we might just elect someone who has positioned himself as the least likely candidate to bomb another country. That's amazing all by itself.

But why is Obama still so close with McCain in polling?

Posted by: flubber on May 15, 2008 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

What Brojo said. The one thing that might really change these trends for the Republicans would be a, well, you know.

Posted by: flubber on May 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

I'm only just now beginning to realize that the presidential election isn't even going to be close. Your garden-variety American voters may not think much of soft-on-crime, soft-on-terrorism, latte-sipping, socialist Muslims with black nationalist preachers, but if there's one thing they absolutely can't abide, it's a loser -- and right now, there's no bigger loser in America than a Republican candidate or officeholder. Bush may have been a complete idiot with a thin resume & a string of failed business ventures behind him, but he was quick with the belittling nicknames & made perfectly clear that he knew how to snap a towel in the locker room. Now he's driven his party so far into the ground that even Tom DeLay(!) sees the writing on the wall.

McCain is going to get beaten like a borrowed mule come November.

Posted by: junebug on May 15, 2008 at 1:02 PM | PERMALINK

I said it three years ago and I will say it again. All the GOP had to do to revive its brand was three things, the first being the most important:

1. Beat the Dems to taking tangible actions to impeach Bush. Had the GOP done this they would have shed the prior 5-6 years of sycophany, and been able to chastise Dems for being such weak leaders.

2. Publicly seek to work with the Dems on some issues (cough global warming cough). Show that they could be willing to give in a bit to compromise. Failed miserably here. Just got more defensive and insular.

3. Begin to distance themselves from the religious whakjob segment of their party. But as that may be all that is left, maybe that is simply impossible at this point in time.

Not too late for them to start (well, too late for 2008 elections).

Posted by: bubba on May 15, 2008 at 1:03 PM | PERMALINK

Thank you Your eminence. By destroying our empire through your disastrous war profiteering adventures in a territory we can't possibly hope to secure or govern, you are following in the footsteps of great morons of the past who have guided their nations from long slow declines into precipitous chaotic declines.

I am in awe of the efficiency with which you are depleting our armed forces, eroding our credibility, tarnishing our reputation, wasting our resources and foreclosing our options. You may surpass every idiot king in history with respect to the damage done during a single reign.

Of course, a lot of the credit goes to your idiot subjects.

Posted by: lobbygow on May 15, 2008 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

A modest suggestion for the Republicans -- quit assuming that rich people and corporations are better behaved or more moral than poor people.

And, also, how about running government like a (modern, non-fraudulent) business? Define your goals, declare them, measure them, and work towards them. Study other countries, if they seem to get results that we would like, see if we can copy what they do. Don't try crazy new ideas unless there are no good ideas you can steal from other people.

And when the numbers give you bad news, re-evaluate, don't just create your own reality. For example, that Illinois governor who noticed exoneration after exoneration of death-row inmates, and pardoned the whole lot -- that's a good thing, analogous to pulling a product off the shelves after noticing grievous quality problems. The current, failing, Republican reaction to "poor quality control" would be to keep pushing the bad product, but with a marketing campaign, and siccing private investigators on any complaining customers, and claiming competitors were sabotaging the product on the shelves. (See, for example, the whole US Attorney scandal.) Stop doing that, now.

Posted by: dr2chase on May 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

"Meanwhile everyone agrees that the Republican "brand" is now toxic. Maybe they need a new slogan?"

How bout, "Drink the koolaid, just doooo'eeett!"

Posted by: sheerahkahn on May 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

Karl Rove saying "We haven't hit bottom yet. I've never seen members so frustrated or demoralized."

Now that is genuinely amusing.

Posted by: Helena Montana on May 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

Someone said elections are accountability moments, right? Well, over the last 7 years the Republicans did what they did, and now they can be held accountable for it. Pretty simple. There's nothing that can be done with "re-branding" or "distancing" about what's plainly on the record. They all marched in lockstep and now they can all march right off the cliff and drown, for all I care.

Posted by: jrw on May 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

Junebug

I would call Obama-McCain at best 50-50.

When the voter gets to the voting booth, in Ohio and other marginal states then:

- Obama is inexperienced, McCain is ultra experienced
- McCain is strong on national defence, Obama is fuzzy
- states with large black minorities have tended to be much stronger for Clinton than for Obama, and amongst white working class voters
- 'Obama is a muslim' is a story that just won't die
- The Reverend Wright (not to mention Michelle Obama, who is now attracting Hilary Clinton-like opprobium as a black radical) will not have shut his mouth for the next 5 months, I am sure
- Obama's mafioso property developer will be everywhere (anyone remember Geraldine Ferraro's husband's alleged Mob connection?)
- Obama isn't a patriot (hand over heart, lapel pin flag etc. etc.). Michelle certainly isn't (finally proud of America etc.)
- Diebold will be counting the votes again

Whilst I think the Republicans could lose some more Congressional seats (although I don't expect a 60 Democrat Senate, and I think the Republican fundraising and political machine will contain the damage to 20-30 lost House seats) I don't think it is a shoe-in for Obama. In fact I think he will lose-- the Clinton people have raised the questions, and the McCain team will finish him off.

This will be a dirty campaign, and Obama's weaknesses with the electorate are already manifest.

Beware what in the UK is the 'Byelection Syndrome'. The Party in power usually uses byelections, even in quite safe seats-- it's about to happen here in Crewe, where the late Gwyn Dunwoody had a 7,000 vote majority for Labour, and held the seat for 35 years. Her daughter is running, but it's very like the Tories will take it.

But it simply means voters are fed up, not that there has been some fundamental realignment of the electorate.

Posted by: Valuethinker on May 15, 2008 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

The Republicans are in a death spiral as a political organization. They are a minority party but anything they do to change will probably lose more votes than it will gain since the cannot go back and undo the past.

so the better question is what will the U.S. be like when the Republican Collapse is complete. Will all of the former Republicans start voting in the Democratic Primary? Will the general election be meaningless? Which groups inside the current Democratic party gain with a Republican collpase and which will lose?

Posted by: superdestroyer on May 15, 2008 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

Tom Delay saying, ""We haven't hit bottom yet. I've never seen members so frustrated or demoralized."

Now THAT is genuinely amusing.

Posted by: Helena Montana on May 15, 2008 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe they need a new slogan?

Gott mit uns. Not exactly new, but fitting, in a way.

Posted by: Swan on May 15, 2008 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, Swan, "We got mittens too!" as the doughboys used to shout at Jerry.

Posted by: alice on May 15, 2008 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

made perfectly clear that he knew how to snap a towel in the locker room


That's him, all right.

Posted by: David in NY on May 15, 2008 at 1:35 PM | PERMALINK

The new GOP slogan:

"Our candidate doesn't have a foreign-sounding name."

Posted by: thersites on May 15, 2008 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

I know, I know, instead of Grand Ole Party how about Get On Progivil. Maybe then they'll see how stupid Bush really is?

Posted by: me-again on May 15, 2008 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

Could it be that the republicans are figuring out that tying themselves to Bush has been like tying themselves to an anchor and throwing it in the deep end? Posted by: TomStewart on May 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Do lets see how the rats divorce themselves from the moronic figurehead they have created and from behind which they have done much to help themselves. Bush isn't alone in the failures of the GOP leadership's consuming focus to increase personal wealth and party power to the point of endangering the welfare and lifestyles of a great nation of hard working people.

15 months of weak Democrat Congress couldn't destroy what never was. The Rovian ideal of a Republican Utopia has come into fruition, but only for an elistist few who up til now haven't minded the cost: other peoples lives diminishing in quality, other people's blood shed, general national and global unrest, and reignition of a tremulous cease to the Cold War and arms race.

As the 08 elections approach though, and higher is the probability of another Republican seat going Dem, the cost is getting personal to these smarmy GOP'rs, and the divorcing starts. Not before now, though...

No matter how far they think they try to get away from the odor of Bush, the loyalty of the Republican party to him and Cheney and Libby and Gonzales ect., should be well remembered in the polling places.

The GOP has been silent on Bush all along, their silence is their badge of loyalty, and their loyalty has allowed Bush to wrought all he has wrought and to keep what he has wrought so well protected.

It was never just Bush who engineered the GOP antics and prospered at the cost of this nations stability, and I doubt Rove ever intended his Permanent Republican Majority to apply to all Republicans. Dictatorships never do.

Posted by: Zit on May 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

The part I love is that McCain is going to try to distance himself from the Congressional Republicans. Neat trick, since he's a Congressional Republican himself, and has gone along with all their obstructive maneuvers.

Posted by: David in NY on May 15, 2008 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

On the right track; may I suggest, "Arbeit Macht Frei"?

Maybe they need a new slogan?

Gott mit uns. Not exactly new, but fitting, in a way.

Posted by: trollhattan on May 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

There's still a problem in this country. Bush won in 2004 after being shown to be a complete idiot, one who would lie this country into an unnecessary war. He beat Kerry with little more than a sneer and a smirk.

Well, that and the backing of the entire news media that decided it was more important that Kerry talked about Cheney's gay daughter than that Bush said he didn't care about where bin Laden was. And at that point, people were still paying a lot of attention to the media to make up their minds.

If the 2006 election and current elections have demonstrated nothing else, it's that people are no longer relying on the national media to make up their minds. It's going to be a fascinating election year as Republicans and their media allies throw everything they can at the Democratic nominee and become increasingly frustrated as none of it manages to stick.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on May 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

Republicans should consider themselves lucky to lose only 20 seats in November. I expect them to lose 35.

Posted by: Yancey Ward on May 15, 2008 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

I would call Obama-McCain at best 50-50...

Alrighty, Valuethinker, it looks like we've staked out our respective predictions. I like mine, and it has to do at least in part with a couple of comments you make:

In fact I think he will lose -- the Clinton people have raised the questions, and the McCain team will finish him off.

Well, we see where that strategy got Clinton. As for McCain, he's going to be busier on defense than he will be on offense in the run-up to the election.

This will be a dirty campaign, and Obama's weaknesses with the electorate are already manifest.

You're unquestionably right about the nature of the campaign (leopards & spots), but the Obama "weaknesses" to which you refer have already been floated as trial balloons during special elections in the reddest of congressional districts, to little or no avail. If those segments of the electorate aren't buying what Republicans are selling, say hello to President Obama. (And, for the record & given the political climate we're talking about, I'm absolutely convinced that Clinton & Edwards would win by equally wide margins if either one of them were the nominee.)

So I'm more than comfortable with my prediction. What are we betting?

Posted by: junebug on May 15, 2008 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

I'll enjoy the panic while it lasts.

It probably won't be long before the repubs find their talking points again and the dems find ever more ways of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Posted by: Lew on May 15, 2008 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

I think their new slogan should be:
All libruls lick grocery carts! So you should stay awy.

Posted by: optical weenie on May 15, 2008 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

"Liberals and progressives have been in charge of the congress and fulfilled none of their promises to all their friends."

Dear heart, has it perhaps escaped your notice just why Congressional Democrats have been unable to fulfill some of their promises? I assure you that the voters have figured this out, which is why your party is in so much trouble this year.

Posted by: PaulB on May 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

19& has been the Hard Core Dead-Ender number for Bush supporters.CNN had a poll# of 82% saying the country was in bad shape.Sinking in even among the Kool-Aid drinkers?

Posted by: R.L. on May 15, 2008 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

New slogan:
Vote Republican. Morally bankrupt. Financially bankrupt. Perpetual war.

Posted by: Jay in Oregon on May 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

G.O.P.

Government of Poland

Don't forget Poland

Posted by: CSTAR on May 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

I guess I still question where the bulk of the hispanic vote will go. McCain's statements and positions concerning Hispanics and immigration may yield substantial benefits for this segment. Add in the uncertainty of the women's vote, w/o Hillary running, and what if McCain runs a woman as VP? A woman being one heartbeat from the presidency with a 70+ yr old president might seem verrry attractive to women voters. Net in the uncertainties of the anti-black voters (who will likely not express those feelings during polling, but may in the election) and it becomes possible that several of the key constituencies of the Dem party may be at risk for Obama, especially if Republicans decide to unite around McCain.

Posted by: pencarrow on May 15, 2008 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK

I know one southern fundie (business associate) that now swears Bush is the Anti-Christ.

Maybe he has something there.

Posted by: Ex - Republican Yankee on May 15, 2008 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINK

Confusing Mississippi with Louisiana? I think we're seeing some of the side effects of that black market Provigil you took.

Posted by: Henry on May 15, 2008 at 7:04 PM | PERMALINK

I think the problem is they have a leader in the House called Boener.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr on May 15, 2008 at 7:37 PM | PERMALINK

Sure they look dogged on the outside, but their powerful forces are still working under the hood and behind the scenes to try and keep them and their clients in power.

Posted by: !!! on May 15, 2008 at 8:10 PM | PERMALINK

There are reports of “some senior Republicans urging Congressional candidates to distance themselves from President Bush to head off what could be heavy losses in the fall.” At last, some Republicans (senior ones at that!) have found common ground with some Democrats. Too bad the common ground they occupy is Mistaken Place.

Bush is the current (or maybe, already, the last) figurehead of a politically and morally bankrupt Republican party, one that in its actions, bears no resemblance to the Republican party that some decent and well meaning people once had, forty or fifty years ago. In Bush43, the GOP sees its reflection.

The problem for GOP leadership isn’t that moral political leadership is nearly impossible to execute. It’s that it’s just not profitable. When you believe that the purpose of a governing philosophy is to answer the question “How can my friends and I become, and remain, wealthier and wealthier?”, you must entertain a different kind of political calculus as you confer with marketing guys after your first comeuppance in a long time. That calculus isn’t “What does America and her people need?”

Mistaken Place: Bounded by thinking the problem is getting or keeping one person or another out of office, when the real problem is how to keep a corrupted political party from exercising its will and influence on our trusting citizenry and a world still subject to our nation’s might. Bounded by the idea that a selfish and acquisitive party’s candidates can be somehow packaged and “sold” as if they will further the well being of the nation.

Republican political ideology (a phrase which grants more cohesion and coherence than that “ideology” displays, nowdays) is the corrupted and breached hull of a deservedly sinking ship. Bush is just a figurehead. Those “leaders” can’t save themselves by running to the far end of the same foundering vessel.

Posted by: labradog on May 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM | PERMALINK

If Democrats behaved like Republicans they would have found a Bush mistress or love child and impeached him, since only sex is a powerful enough motivation for impeachment.

We don't impeach for going to war under false pretenses, for torture memos, for politicizing the hiring and firing of government prosecutors, for administrative incompetence, for violations of constitutional guarantees to privacy, for lying about being a drunken sot during the Vietnam War and having your National Guard flying privileges revoked.

The GOP is damn lucky the Democrats are behaving with the statesmenship Republicans abandoned when Reagan uttered that immortal phrase, "Government is not the solution to the problem, it is the problem." When the GOP hitched their horse to that wagon all they had left was military and free market solutions to everything. One by one the Abe Ribicoffs and Edward Brookes faded away and we are left with a bunch of angry white guys pretending to run things.

Posted by: pj in jesusland on May 16, 2008 at 9:59 AM | PERMALINK

there was a great slogan floating around after a mccain speech in michigan.... "less jobs, more wars."

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