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May 15, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

YAK YAK....I have to admit, Chris Matthews does occasionally have his moments.

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it is truly amazing to see someone call a wingnut on his wingnuttery. if only it was routine...

Posted by: cleek on May 15, 2008 at 11:23 PM | PERMALINK

Kudos to Mathews for taking down an idiot. When I hear George W. Ignoramus lecturing on history it makes me want to puke. The unstated message is that if Chamberlain was wrong, than Hitler must have been right. Lots cheap patriotism (i.e. flags and flag pins) and fallacious propaganda backed by a big army means its okay, even admirable, to invade whoever you damn well fell like.

Posted by: fafner1 on May 15, 2008 at 11:41 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin James: Talk loudly and beat myself over the head with a stick. Classic Republican.

Ladies and gentlemen... he's your 28%er. Lovely ain't it?

Posted by: Jay in Oregon on May 15, 2008 at 11:44 PM | PERMALINK

We have reached the moment when McCarthy is reduced to a quivering lip.

Yank off their freaking brown shirts, and expose them to light. They are all morons. I wish Tweety would have done this to the biggest fraud of the pundit class--Eva von Coulter. Next time?

Posted by: Sparko on May 15, 2008 at 11:48 PM | PERMALINK

Hard to believe these guys took 2 elections.

(I won't say 'won'.)

Posted by: eightnine2718281828mu5 on May 15, 2008 at 11:54 PM | PERMALINK

Hard to believe these guys took 2 elections.
...and it's scary to think that they have any chance at all to take another.

Posted by: AJB on May 15, 2008 at 11:59 PM | PERMALINK

Sometimes I think Matthews is a complete wanker, but I do admire his tenacity. He'll get his teeth in something and will NOT let go. He was like this about the war, if you remember, more than any other newscaster that I can remember from that time.

Posted by: LAS on May 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM | PERMALINK

Wow! truly an awesome meltdown to behold.

Do you think he was home-schooled?

Posted by: trixi on May 16, 2008 at 12:18 AM | PERMALINK

Wow! truly an awesome meltdown to behold.

Do you think he was home-schooled?

Posted by: trixi on May 16, 2008 at 12:18 AM | PERMALINK

It doesn't even matter. Unless you have more moments like this, idiots will continue to game the system. People like Bill O'Reilly run for more than a decade without being appropriately made to bear for it, and they get away with it. I wish this could be the case for that dumbass Limbaugh trying to take credit for the sun rising, or that bigot michael savage whose games with logic would make Bush grimace.

Speaking of Bush, he goes out of his way to attack Obama during Israel's 60th b-day, but that is fine by conservatives to have this take part in foreign soil.

I cant wait for Clinton to take a hike, I want Obama to unleash his guns full throttle against the weakened republican machine.

Posted by: Boorring on May 16, 2008 at 12:18 AM | PERMALINK

It doesn't even matter. Unless you have more moments like this, idiots will continue to game the system. People like Bill O'Reilly run for more than a decade without being appropriately made to bear for it, and they get away with it. I wish this could be the case for that dumbass Limbaugh trying to take credit for the sun rising, or that bigot michael savage whose games with logic would make Bush grimace.

Speaking of Bush, he goes out of his way to attack Obama during Israel's 60th b-day, but that is fine by conservatives to have this take part in foreign soil.

I cant wait for Clinton to take a hike, I want Obama to unleash his guns full throttle against the weakened republican machine.

Posted by: Boorring on May 16, 2008 at 12:18 AM | PERMALINK


Do you think Bush himself would be able to answer the question, were it put to him as tenaciously?

(Nah, doubt it. . .)


Posted by: trixi on May 16, 2008 at 12:20 AM | PERMALINK

I usually watch Chris Matthews, but I missed this one. Reminds me of the movie "Three Amigos." "Paco you don't know what a plethora is, do you?"

It is sad to see what the Republican party has become over the last thirty years. Just a bunch of loud mouth idiots and corporate whores.

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me."

Posted by: Ex - Republican Yankee on May 16, 2008 at 12:21 AM | PERMALINK

Don't you even listen to your own candidate? Obama is too pure to have any guns, never mind unleash them, never mind full throttle. If you wanted somebody to do that, you shoulda voted for the one candidate in the race with bollocks. As Carville said, if she gave him one, then they'd both have two.

Posted by: gyrfalcon on May 16, 2008 at 12:22 AM | PERMALINK

On balance, Chris takes too much grief from people. Sure, he says some weird things, but he is one of the better pundits on cable tv.

Posted by: Rich on May 16, 2008 at 12:53 AM | PERMALINK

Matthews did show that the radio guy had no clue about what Chamberlain did and he even made a good point about talking with does not necessarily equal appeasement, but it was also funny after Matthews ripped the guy for not knowing what happened in 1939, then Matthews mistakenly said that Bush was president at the time of the 2000 Cole bombing.

At TPM, there is a hilarious montage of Terry McCauliff video clips - McCauliff is relentlessly and hilariously optimistic about Hillary but also comes across as a pretty good guy. It is great entnertainment to watch it.

Posted by: on May 16, 2008 at 12:54 AM | PERMALINK

I dunno-- so what? Matthews was the one who was just complaining that Barack Obama played pool, and claiming that it's a rich guy's past-time. But how many rich types are playing pool? Not that many. As Media Matters reported:

According to a Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association 2007 study posted on the Billiards Congress of America website, "There are 46,990,000 Billiards participants in the U.S." -- defined as people who play billiards at least once a year -- and "60% of all Billiards participants have a household income of under $75,000 per year." Additionally, 54 percent of billiards participants also participated in bowling, and "30% of all Billiards participants have a college degree or higher.

I think you have to travel in some pretty classy circles just to know that pool's a fad with the rich-- if I hadn't chanced to see some trust-fund types shooting pool through a window of an apartment in a classy Manhattan neighborhood once a few years ago, I wouldn't have an inkling of what Chrissy was talking about.

So I've got to say "so what." Chrissy establishes his cred by contrasting himself with some overtly unhinged guy- but every con-man has to make himself look real. Every con-man has got to have an angle to get himself some cred with the mark. Chris Matthews says some incredible stuff regularly, and that's no exagerration. The guy is definitely working for the right-wing.

Posted by: Swan on May 16, 2008 at 1:08 AM | PERMALINK

I'd have to have a reason to think that Chris Matthews was out-of-touch and senile like Larry King, x 2, to think that Chrissy really believed all the stuff he says, at this point.

Posted by: Swan on May 16, 2008 at 1:11 AM | PERMALINK

Imagine if Chrissy went after Bush or McCain or similar figures when they showed up on his show like this- and like he cross-examines Democratic politicians- instead of just giving it to some obscure figure (and perhaps one who is even embarassing for the righties) once every 7 or 8 months.

This guys wasn't running for public office. In addition to the cred thing, it could be that this is part of rebranding, and that Chris is helping get the message out to all the righties to get all their ducks in a row- "Don't look as unglued as this guy, because people aren't having it right now. If you try to come on some show like Hardball and do it, the mods aren't going to let you make the Republicans look like that." Basically no one loses face from this one obscure radio host getting the smack-down.

Posted by: Swan on May 16, 2008 at 1:16 AM | PERMALINK

Chris Matthews pulled a cheap trick to embarrass someone. You could do the same to anyone by ferreting out a weakness in knowledge and relentlessly hammering away over and over again until you've publicly humiliated him.

He would never do that with a black person.

Little piglet eyes like Matthew's do indeed signify meanness.

Posted by: Luther on May 16, 2008 at 1:17 AM | PERMALINK

>>He would never do that with a black person.

Well, of course, he's part of the black media conspiracy.

I guess I'll give Matthews credit for calling this moron on his idiocy; however, why was the moron on his show in the first place? That is the real issue. They put these know-nothing brown shirts on national TV day after day, but what do expect from the liberal black media?

Posted by: Orson on May 16, 2008 at 2:02 AM | PERMALINK

"Chris Matthews does occasionally have his moments."

Even a blind squirrel finds an occasional acorn.

Posted by: Joshua Norton on May 16, 2008 at 2:26 AM | PERMALINK

does chickengeorge even remember his grandpa's involvement with Hitler?

Posted by: merl on May 16, 2008 at 4:39 AM | PERMALINK

fantastic though it is to see (finally) some straight talking on american TV, that clip, and these comments, reveal that the depressing underlying reality is this: the level of debate in the US, even on supposedly highbrow shows, is pathetically ill-informed.

Posted by: billy on May 16, 2008 at 4:41 AM | PERMALINK

"Chris Matthews pulled a cheap trick to embarrass someone. You could do the same to anyone by ferreting out a weakness in knowledge and relentlessly hammering away over and over again until you've publicly humiliated him."

Not knowing what Chamberlain did is something that people are supposed to grow out of by third grade. In my public elementary school, we learned this in fourth grade. This is a step above not being able to add or not knowing what the Holocaust was. If a black conservative like Amy Holmes didn't know something this elementary, nobody would complain if Matthews did exactly the same to her (what the would complain about is that if James was a woman, Matthews, would find some weird way to be chauvinist during the smack-down).

Posted by: Reality Man on May 16, 2008 at 5:13 AM | PERMALINK

Chris Matthews does occasionally have his moments.
—Kevin Drum

Matthews has a HUGE opportunity to redeem himself in this election. He needs to pull his tongue out of McCain's ass and put the final nail in the coffin of the Bush era.

This is his last chance.

Posted by: Econobuzz on May 16, 2008 at 5:59 AM | PERMALINK

"He needs to pull his tongue out of McCain's ass..."

It's a little hard when Chris's leg tingles every time Obama makes the slightest utterance.

Matthews rightly baffooned this guy on the air. I'm just not sure why he had him on in the first place. Matthews himself needs to get his history straight. The USS Cole incident happened under Clinton's watch, not Bush's.

Posted by: Tommer on May 16, 2008 at 7:41 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, Golly gee...thanks to our dumb dial-up internet connection I can't download this example of "one of Matthews' moments"...and there are SO FEW...he has become a cartoon of himself and along with the demise of Keith (as he, apparently, begins to read his press releases) we are left with few choices except for C-Span, PBS, and "some" satellite radio offerings...but NOT XM that required an exclusive with AAR and now doesn't carry much of their programming...instead substituting the likes of that buffoon ED SCHULTZ and now back to Randi Rhodes...YEGODS!!!

Posted by: Dancer on May 16, 2008 at 8:14 AM | PERMALINK

He schooled a moron for being a moron. If the guy had a read a 3rd grade history book and learned to modulate his voice Tweety would have been perfectly happy.

Posted by: B on May 16, 2008 at 9:19 AM | PERMALINK

Umm, why is this wingnut's opinion of interest to anyone on a "news" show?

Posted by: Martin on May 16, 2008 at 9:20 AM | PERMALINK

"Not knowing what Chamberlain did is something that people are supposed to grow out of by third grade. In my public elementary school, we learned this in fourth grade."

Talk about utter bullshit. Who are you, Hillary? You have to lie about things you learned in the fourth grade to try and make yourself sound smart? I suppose you're at home as well dodging sniper fire...

If we had some simply honest people who can talk straight, the Democratic party would own the world.

But no. We wear the anchors of Hillary, Joe Wilson, Valery Plame and the above idiot, etc...

Posted by: jim on May 16, 2008 at 9:25 AM | PERMALINK

I think the Matthews moment was kabuki, but even if it wasn't, I still don't think Luther has a point (and I think his comment is the usual hogwash, too-- trying to make people feel a certain way without reasons, instead just talking to make is sound as if the should feel a certain way about something-- Republican psychological tactics).

It's not a cheap trick to expose someone's arguments as weak when someone comes on national TV and yells at people. Especially if you're going to keep being an ass about it, you deserve to have your arguments critically examined to see if you really had enough respect for people to be honest, or to know a little about what you were saying, before opening your mouth in front of millions of people.

I don't know if Tweety would do that with a black person or not (but that's besides the point), but he definitely wouldn't do it with George Bush or John McCain.

Posted by: Swan on May 16, 2008 at 10:01 AM | PERMALINK

I suspect Jim's right about your traditional grade school curriculum -- but I fail to see what Hillary has to do with it.

Posted by: B on May 16, 2008 at 10:05 AM | PERMALINK

He definitely has his moments but they're unfortunately rare. They seem generally to come when public opinion makes it safe. Republican popularity is in the gutter so its safe to take them on. And the guy was a 3rd rate radio talk show host I believe, makeing it even safer. I came in in the middle and at first thought he was some obscure congressman, and was shocked matthews was belittling him so openly. In any case, its a welcome sight to see a mccain lover willing to defend obama against this kind of BS.

Posted by: kahner on May 16, 2008 at 10:27 AM | PERMALINK

If Bush is going to continue to misrepresent Chamberlain's actions just prior to WWII, maybe someone should ask him just what his grandfather thought he was doing by continuing to do business with Hitler long after our government had banned US companies from doing business with the Nazis.

While I don't think it's fair that Bush be held responsible for the actions of his grandfather, his willing misrepresentation of history, and his traitorous actions of criticizing a political candidate and his party while addressing a foreign government, lead me to believe that all is fair in love, war and politics.

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on May 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK

"Yank off their freaking brown shirts, and expose them to light. They are all morons. I wish Tweety would have done this to the biggest fraud of the pundit class--Eva von Coulter. Next time?"

I, for one, have no wish to see the Lady Ann's shirt ripped off. Though it might help the Catholic Church recruit priests.

Posted by: demisod on May 16, 2008 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK

The attack on the Cole occurred during the waning days of the Clinton administration. But the investigation and (non)decision to not retaliate occurred on Bush’s watch.

Posted by: fafner1 on May 16, 2008 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

When I hear George W. Ignoramus lecturing on history it makes me want to puke

Well, he was a History Major. At Yale.

At first I thought that might reflect badly on the quality of the Yale History program, but then I remembered that the president's dad went to Yale, so W is a legacy, like Flounder in Animal House.

Posted by: croatoan on May 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK

"Matthews ripped the guy for not knowing what happened in 1939 . . ."

Munich was 1938. Matthews corrected himself later in the "interview." James didn't know anything about it and apparently doesn't think it's necessary to know. He seemed to have difficulty distinguishing between talking with someone and giving them your house.

Posted by: Waldo on May 16, 2008 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK

In the wanker's defense...

Chris Matthews had no right to complain that his guest didn't know what he was talking about. He invited him. Matthews' mistake was trying to discuss foreign policy with radio personalities.

Second, it's possible that the wanker isn't as ignorant as he seems. The rules of the game demanded that he not answer Matthews' question for the simple reason that Matthews wanted him to answer it. To answer on Matthews' terms would be... what's the word? Appeasement.

Posted by: Grumpy on May 16, 2008 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK

Nice takedown of a fool but still not as good as Jonah Goldberg conflating Hitler's desire for an "organic state" with health food.

Posted by: gray on May 16, 2008 at 12:31 PM | PERMALINK

I am truly, truly, shocked that Kevin James did not know that Chamberlain gave away the Sudetenland. Its a good thing he is not running for President.

I know that Chamberlain gave away "half of Czechlosavakia" just like I know that there are 50 not 57, 58 or 60 states in the United States.

No one who even makes a minor mistake about such a piece of common knowledge is fit to run for the office of President.

Posted by: John Hansen on May 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM | PERMALINK

When I first saw this item, I thought that the former star of the sitcom King Of Queens was now a talk radio host. But Kevin James the actor is probably a lot smarter than this guy.

Posted by: kth on May 16, 2008 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

"In the wanker's defense...

Chris Matthews had no right to complain that his guest didn't know what he was talking about. He invited him. Matthews' mistake was trying to discuss foreign policy with radio personalities.

Second, it's possible that the wanker isn't as ignorant as he seems. The rules of the game demanded that he not answer Matthews' question for the simple reason that Matthews wanted him to answer it. To answer on Matthews' terms would be... what's the word? Appeasement"

hahahahahaha ROFL

talk about appeasement...

Posted by: on May 16, 2008 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

I'm no fan of Matthews, but he was correct in pointing out that negotiation isn't the same thing as appeasement. That was the point, that's why his guest's ignorance was significant.

Posted by: Horatio Parker on May 16, 2008 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

But the Cole took place under Clinton, not Bush. In that regard Matthews was wrong.

Posted by: on May 16, 2008 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

But the Cole took place under Clinton, not Bush. In that regard Matthews was wrong.

what the fuck are you talking about? take your bullshit to newsbusters, you ignorant fucking wingnut. and consider turning your dial away from kevin james and the other rightwing nazis you favor. you may learn some history.

Posted by: on May 16, 2008 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin James: Talk loudly and beat myself over the head with a stick. Classic Republican.


Ugh. I'm again reminded of why I don't watch much TV anymore. I think they are all on Provigil™. If you've never taken it, don't ever start.

Posted by: Doc at the Radar Station on May 16, 2008 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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