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May 22, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

ONE DOWN....I see that John McCain has finally decided to reject John Hagee's endorsement. Good for him. Maybe he'll reject Rod Parsley next. And who knows? Maybe this, combined with Barack Obama's pastor troubles, will convince everyone that religion is best left out of politics. I can dream, can't I?

Kevin Drum 7:23 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (19)

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"...religion is best left out of politics."

Too bad no one at the White House in 2003 knew the impossibility of this being valid in Iraq.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr on May 22, 2008 at 7:29 PM | PERMALINK

What's this I hear about Hillary being part of a conservative prayer group etc? In any case, this about McCain will help Obama, as well as the lobbyist dismissals.

PS: "Frist" - FWIW. I don't see "Frist" much anymore, maybe since everyone has forgotten the man with that name.

Posted by: !!! on May 22, 2008 at 7:31 PM | PERMALINK

John McMagnificent McCain shall triumph, for he has been chosen to endure heroic suffering for the glory of our great nation.

Criticize him at your own peril, you silly liberals. He will continue the true Conservative leadership that has kept us all so safe and strong.

Badback Oshama will embarass us all. He has nothing but hate in his shrunken Godless heart.

Posted by: Free Lover of Freedom and Free Liberty on May 22, 2008 at 7:52 PM | PERMALINK

n a statement to CNN on Thursday, McCain said "Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them. I did not know of them before Rev. Hagee's endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well."

Uh, yeah, right. Which of your aides will now claim that the dog ate his homework.

Posted by: natural cynic on May 22, 2008 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe we can leave religion out of a lot more things: science, education, war, logic, history, evolution, ...

Posted by: K on May 22, 2008 at 8:11 PM | PERMALINK

He also needs to repudiate Sun Myung Moon.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on May 22, 2008 at 8:46 PM | PERMALINK

FLOFAFL forgets how McCain was criticized, smeared even, by his own party and I would also suggest that FLOFAFL read Malkins, for one, website and see that McCains criticism comes from a wide range of people.

Posted by: Jet on May 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM | PERMALINK

Originally contributed over at Matt's place:

True story. I attended high school with Rod Parsley. We played together on the basketball team. I remember him as socially awkward and a bit of an odd duck. This is the 70's and quite a few of us had rather interesting social lives, often (oh hell, always, OK?) involving illicit substances. Rodney was the constant brunt of jokes because he rolled a lousy joint. That and he couldn't hold his liquor. I swear to this day he got into religion because he was such a lightweight partier. That and he was uncomfortable around a bunch of people going at it like bunnies and he's unable to find second base. I recall his lone attempt at converting me was met with such withering resistance further persuasion was seen as futile. There are also some dirty little secrets about how he came into the land his church is on. Lacking the requisite documents I'll forgo the risk of a slander suit. The rest I can vouch for personally.

Posted by: steve duncan on May 22, 2008 at 8:51 PM | PERMALINK

Watch TBN, Hagee looks sane compared to Parsley. Better yet, Hagee is on once a week while Parsley looks to be on 24/7. Lots of video to work from.

Posted by: buckyblue on May 22, 2008 at 9:09 PM | PERMALINK

I've tried to make this point several times over the last few days, this will be my last attempt; every time the left tries to make Hagee or Parsley or whoever the equivalent of Wright they are walking into a Republican suckerpunch. The mainstream electorate will never equate some hogwash about spiritual/theological dogma with the rabid anti-American political rants Wright spewed every week at Trinity. It's like saying a schlub with a DUI cancels out Charles Manson. Every time Obama's supporters [please pass this on to Obermann, Maddow, et al] try to draw the comparison they just emphasize how out of touch the left still is with the swing voters Obama needs. Shut up already!

Posted by: loki on May 22, 2008 at 9:56 PM | PERMALINK

You have to understand that for most monotheists (Christians, Jews and Muslims), the idea that God is guiding the course of human history is not controversial. For many Christians to believe that God used Hitler to move world events so that the state of Israel could be created is, well, pretty common in those circles.

Posted by: Speed on May 22, 2008 at 10:04 PM | PERMALINK

Jet,
You do understand that FLOFAL is having fun? Read his name again.

IMO the whole "Frist!" thing was almost worth enduring just for the one time after the '06 elections that someone started a thread with "Pelosi?"

Posted by: thersites on May 22, 2008 at 10:12 PM | PERMALINK

Drum: Maybe he'll reject Rod Parsley next.

Ask and ye shall receive.

Posted by: grape_crush on May 22, 2008 at 10:17 PM | PERMALINK

So, he was for these guys before he was against them?
Is it time for another chorus of "Throw Jesus Under the Bus?"

Posted by: thersites on May 22, 2008 at 10:30 PM | PERMALINK

It seems to me that if John McCain is now rejecting Hagee's endorsement, it's fair to ask whether or not he will reject Joe Lieberman's endorsement as well. Joe Lieberman not only stood by McCain for accepting Hagee's endorsement, he's a big, big fan:

1) Joe Lieberman likened Hagee to Moses in his remarks at last year's CUFI Summit:
"He is a Ish Elokim, a man of God and those words really fit him...like Moses he's become a leader of a mighty multitude, even greater than the multitude that Moses led from Egypt to the promised land."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig

2) Joe Lieberman is the featured guest speaker (along with Hagee) on the final night of the upcoming CUFI Summit in July.
http://www.cufi.org/site/PageNavigator/events_washington_summit

3) Apparently, Joe Lieberman has regularly scheduled conference calls with Hagee and his supporters.
http://www.cufi.org/site/PageServer?pagename=events_Conference_Call

Fair is fair. I guess it's time to throw Joe Lieberman under the bus.


Posted by: Eric on May 22, 2008 at 11:14 PM | PERMALINK

I love fantasy politics.

Religion in politics is abjectly retarded.

The only thing more stupid is thinking we can get rid of it.

But keep up the good fight.

I love you intelligent, unshrill blog. I read you stuff daily, because I'm a little more shrill, and I need someone to bring me down.

Thanks.

Posted by: John Onorato on May 22, 2008 at 11:26 PM | PERMALINK

I love fantasy politics.

Religion in politics is abjectly retarded.

The only thing more stupid is thinking we can get rid of it.

But keep up the good fight.

I love you intelligent, unshrill blog. I read you stuff daily, because I'm a little more shrill, and I need someone to bring me down.

Thanks.

Posted by: John Onorato on May 22, 2008 at 11:26 PM | PERMALINK

Is it time for another chorus of "Throw Jesus Under the Bus?"
Posted by: thersites

Could ya hum a few bars?

"The more you observe politics, the more you've got to admit that each party is worse than the other." - Will Rogers

Posted by: MsNThrope on May 23, 2008 at 1:02 PM | PERMALINK

013773.. Nice :)

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