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June 3, 2008
By: Cheryl Rofer

THE SUPERDELEGATES ARE FALLING INTO LINE....for Obama, even before the polls close in Montana and South Dakota.

Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, U.S. Reps. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick of Michigan and John W. Olver of Massachusetts, Los Angeles labor organizer John A. Perez, Michigan DNC members Debbie Dingell and Rick Wiener, along with Michigan superdelegate Joyce Lalonde, all announced today for Obama.

Also Representative Maxine Waters of California; Diane Glasser, a DNC member from Florida; three Democratic officials from Delaware; Kamil Hasan, a DNC member from California, Ben Johnson, a DNC member from the District of Columbia; Tina Abbott, the secretary-treasurer of the Michigan A.F.L.-C.I.O. and the vice chair of the Michigan Democratic Party; Carnelia Fondren, ice chairwoman of the Mississippi Democratic Party; and Representative William J. Jefferson of Louisiana. Waters switched from Clinton. The Obama campaign hasn't made much of Jefferson's backing; he's the guy with that freezerful of money.

Jimmy Carter has said that he will endorse Obama after the polls close.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is letting it be known that she will consider the vice-presidential slot if she's offered it.

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I will also consider the vice-presidential slot if I am offered it. Just tossing that out there.

Posted by: lemmy caution on June 3, 2008 at 6:24 PM | PERMALINK

She's so full of....goodwill.

Posted by: Brown Bess on June 3, 2008 at 6:30 PM | PERMALINK

She actually didn't say that at all according to other people on the call. Clinton was asked, and her response was she was prepared to do anything to ensure a Dem prez, which was interpreted as "she's open to VP!" Her campaign put out a clarification that this was nothing different from what she's said in the past. This is just more crap.

Posted by: bmaz on June 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM | PERMALINK

Obama needs to take a short vacation with his family, begin slowly to consider running mates, and watch HRC's behavior closely. Time is on his side.

Any sign that she is trying to force her way on to the ticket or stirring the shit in any way, fuck her.

Posted by: Econobuzz on June 3, 2008 at 6:45 PM | PERMALINK

What does it mean to say, as Carter did, that he will endorse Obama as soon as the polls close?

Isn't that statement itself the endorsement? There must be a logic problem here somewhere.

Posted by: Bernard Yomtov on June 3, 2008 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK

What does it mean to say, as Carter did, that he will endorse Obama as soon as the polls close?

Isn't that statement itself the endorsement? There must be a logic problem here somewhere.

Posted by: Bernard Yomtov on June 3, 2008 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK

Bernard,

I'll tell you later tonight that the answer to your question is yes, there is a logic problem. Check back here about 9:30.

Posted by: thersites on June 3, 2008 at 6:48 PM | PERMALINK

See ya later Hillarator

Posted by: Matt on June 3, 2008 at 7:11 PM | PERMALINK

HRC is not the only one that Obama needs to watch closely. He needs to watch Bill. Bill is just itching to get back in the White House and act like he's running things.

Posted by: Rosali on June 3, 2008 at 7:18 PM | PERMALINK

What does it mean to say, as Carter did, that he will endorse Obama as soon as the polls close?

It probably only means that he answered the question honestly when the AP reporter came up and asked him after his speech on another topic today. At this point, creating a falsely dramatic secrecy sounds dumber than just answering the question.

Posted by: shortstop on June 3, 2008 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

Any sign that she is trying to force her way on to the ticket or stirring the shit in any way, fuck her.

The funniest (and truest) post I've read all day!!

ROTFLMAO!!

Posted by: chuck on June 3, 2008 at 7:58 PM | PERMALINK

Listeners to WTOP radio in Washington were asked this afternoon whether they'd like Hillary Clinton to be Obama's running man. By more than 2-to-1, the answer was "no." The so-called "dream ticket" is thankfully merely a matter of simplistic thinking from some media people.

Posted by: Vincent on June 3, 2008 at 8:05 PM | PERMALINK

So, having been unambiguously defeated in the delegate count, exactly what card does Hillary have left to play if Obama doesn't pick her for the veep slot? Is she willing to go nuclear and run as an independent? Somehow I don't see the Friends Of Bill lining up behind that.

Puh-lease. She deserves nothing at this point.

Posted by: Frogmatic on June 3, 2008 at 8:15 PM | PERMALINK

I love Carter's folksy sense of humor. My mom was in Americus at a little art show of paintings he or his wife or someone had done. This voice pipes up behind her, "I know the artist." She turns and it's Jimmy Carter pretending to be inconspicuous.

Posted by: absent observer on June 3, 2008 at 8:47 PM | PERMALINK

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is letting it be known that she will consider the vice-presidential slot if she's offered it.

I can't help myself: all I can think of is the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail saying, "OK, we'll call it a draw."

Posted by: low-tech cyclist on June 3, 2008 at 9:32 PM | PERMALINK

Oops, I'm late.

There must be a logic problem here somewhere.
Yes, there is.

But shortstop at 7:53 is probably right.

Posted by: thersites on June 3, 2008 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINK

Any sign that she is trying to force her way on to the ticket or stirring the shit in any way, fuck her.

Even Bill Clinton didn't want to do that...
Which makes her one of two women that he wouldn't (the other was Janet Reno).

Posted by: MLuther on June 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM | PERMALINK

That dream ticket was 2-to-1 for the two of them 6 months ago. Wonder what changed people's judgement?

I really don't have a dog in this race, but from early on you could see that Obama was newer, more exciting, the breath of fresh air people -- particularly younger voters -- were looking for. Clinton seemed unable to maintain one persona and has at turns been smoothly assertive and poised, over controlled and fakily relaxed, pressured, overaggressive, even frantic, as the potential to reach for the crown slipped out of reach, especially as regards the perceived bias against her without a nod towards the prejudice her opponent so obviously also faced. Lately, she has turned downright disengenuous, not to say near demagogic, playing a pathetic numbers and rule changing game without acknowledging her own prior agreements, in her attempt to maintain any momentum or relevance in the race. She forgot we've had enough of the usual political, morality-doesn't-count parsing.

Frankly she would have more leverage today if she had shown judgement, grace and class this last couple of weeks. Overall she has proved to me that Obama seems better presidential mettle and hers deeply flawed.

Either will be preferable to McCain but the numbers are in. Clinton needs to get in behind and make sure her supporters are on board with Obama, not alienated and bitter. Isn't that part of being in the party?

She needs to change her message. Now!

That won't repair the damage that is mostly self-inflicted.

Posted by: on June 4, 2008 at 2:09 AM | PERMALINK

Move over Lindsay Lohan. When it comes to the schadenfreude of watching someone slowly self-destruct in the public eye, Hillary takes the cake. It's hard enough to feel sorry for self-inflicted wounds - harder still when the person is not only smart and old enough to know better but also makes their living proclaiming their superior wisdom and experience.

It would be sad if she hadn't proven beyond any reasonable doubt that her political demise is so well deserved and the blame for which is entirely hers.

At long last, senator, have you no sense of decency? (Don't answer that. Like the original, it's a rhetorical question. We already know the answer is a resounding 'no').

Posted by: Augustus on June 4, 2008 at 5:03 AM | PERMALINK

Bill and Hillary could come to my house with beer and pizza and I still wouldn't vote for the sexist who now is the Dem nominee. He is represented well by many of the men I see posting here.

Posted by: Peggy on June 4, 2008 at 5:26 AM | PERMALINK

Peggy, you truly are delusional. So Obama is a sexist and... McCain is a feminist?

Posted by: Andrew on June 4, 2008 at 6:09 AM | PERMALINK
Carnelia Fondren, ice chairwoman of the Mississippi Democratic Party;

Is that the more modern democratic, progressive version of an "ice queen"?

Posted by: cmdicely on June 4, 2008 at 10:15 AM | PERMALINK
CNN's panel last night agreed that Obama cannot win without the support of Clinton's voters.

You say that as if "CNN's panel" agreeing to something had some kind of substantive meaning.

Yet people here are ready and willing to tell her to go away, using ugly language.

Hillary Clinton has in recent weeks demonstrated that she believes that the rules she agrees to don't matter anymore when they don't produce outcomes to her advantage. I've seen enough of the results of that attitude over the last 8 years to not be upset with the use of "ugly language" in response to any suggestion of putting someone with that attitude in or near the White House again.

Obama proclaims himself the winner while Clinton is still winning primaries -- there's something not right about that.

There aren't any more primaries to win. Short of yet another after-the-fact change to the rules, there is no place for Clinton to overcome the fact that Obama now has an absolute majority of the delegates.

Then his supporters get upset because she doesn't fall into line behind his self-proclamation?

Not accepting reality is a problem.

If Clinton's people are sitting on some "October Surprise" it would be better to make it public before the convention, and let Obama take his chances.

If Clinton's people had a compelling argument for why Obama shouldn't be President that would sway voters, they probably should have released it while there were primary elections to be held. Of course, given that they've tried every conceivable thing including praising John McCain, one expects that if they had something, they would have done so, rather than holding it till sometime after the primaries, whether before or after the convention.

I think all this noise about Clinton angling for VP is Obama's preemptive attempt to resist pressure to put her on the ticket.

Since it derives expressly from the Clinton camp's own statements about her willingness to take the position, I don't think that's it at all. Unless you think Obama is secretly running the Clinton campaign.

He needs her, everyone knows it, but he wants some reason to keep her away.

So far, all the polling has shown that the person that does him the most good in the VP slot is John Edwards. He doesn't need Hillary, Hillary needs him, because getting the VP nod is the only way she can mitigate the damage she done to herself politically over the last several weeks of the primary campaign.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 4, 2008 at 10:35 AM | PERMALINK
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