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It is even worse Kevin. The Huffington post has a video of Mc Cain on C-Span explicitly advocating the privatization of Social Security. If you add to this his turnover on Guantanamo today, one can only conclude that the straight talk express has completely lost his wheels.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/13/john-mccain-denies-social_n_106935.html

Unless the Democrats spontaneously combust, this election should be a blood bath. Not EVERY state has diebold machines, no?

The accounts would be private, but it would still be a government program. Ergo, it can't be privatization.

Did he miss the part where the American people didn't buy this crap in 2005?

Oh Grumpy, if it's a government program, everyone knows god & government will take care of us! No worries.

BTW, when's the next American Idol starting?

McCain's Social Security plan is exactly what Bush proposed and America shouted down in 2005.

Can old straight talk come up with any more unpopular failed proposals. He is trying to be Bush but with out the Crawford charm and phony "Texas" accent.

If McCain were to be elected, at least someone would be giving Dubya some competition for "dumbest president ever."

i wouldn't get too excited about this - he'll be against private accounts soon enough.

McCain on Social Security:

Looming challenges of entitlements need personal accounts. (Feb 2008)
We need personal savings accounts. (Oct 2007)
Willing to compromise on raising cap above $90K. (May 2007)
Save benefits by bipartisan agreement; but without new tax. (Apr 2007)
Trust Fund is a ticking time bomb, set to go off in 2014. (Jan 2000)
More believe in Elvis than in getting Social Security check. (Jan 2000)
Option to invest 20% of payroll taxes in private accounts. (Jan 2000)
Every dollar off-budget - no ifs, ands, or excuses. (Sep 1999)
Disallow using Trust Fund for “emergency� spending. (Jun 1999)
Allow workers to invest privately. (Jun 1999)
Earnings test penalizes productivity in retirees. (Jun 1999)
Eliminate the “earnings test� which taxes benefits. (May 1999)
Lock up Trust Fund; devote 62% of budget surplus to it. (May 1999)
Put surplus into Trust Fund; fulfill promised benefits. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on using the Social Security Surplus to fund tax reductions. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt. (Apr 1999)
Voted YES on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. (May 1998)
Voted YES on allowing personal retirement accounts. (Apr 1998)
Voted YES on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. (May 1996)
Rated 40% by the ARA, indicating a mixed record on senior issues. (Dec 2003)
Supports individual savings accounts and work incentives. (Sep 1998)

http://www.issues2000.org/Social_Security.htm#Headlines

Now, now, now, at least John McCain got Obama's head out of the sand because at one point, Obama really WAS consider privatizating too. And Kevin even wrote about it, saying it wasn't what we wanted.

But I'm glad McCain gave Obama the chance to flip on the issue without looking like a flopper (timing is everything in the Prez bizzness). But all is well now and McCain is wearing the egg. Hey, that works for me, works for everybody.

I think this illustrates again that the meme about McCain doing well in town hall meetings is hot air.

What these town hall formats have allowed McCain to do is say pretty much whatever he wants, and what he thinks will get applause, without getting called on it until after the fact.

McCain may play well to the crowd when he controls the show, but with an informed and less cooperative crowed or opponent, I'd bet he would have as much meltdown as he does in any other venue.

I think he's an old-school press-the-flesh stump-speech type who says whatever feels good at the moment, but hasn't learned that everything says is on an instantly accessible and hard to refute record.

But I'm glad McCain gave Obama the chance to flip on the issue without looking like a flopper

plus, it gives McCain another chance to lie about his previous statements.

Remember how we all thought Ronald Reagan was a trifle forgetful, and then it turned out he was developing Alzheimer's. I doubt I'm the first person anywhere in this great nation to wonder if we aren't seeing the same thing with McCain. But I haven't seen anyone ask that question, so I'm asking it here. If he really doesn't remember his past positions on all these matters, perhaps he isn't a flip-flopper, maybe he is showing signs of incipient Alzheimer's.
(If someone earlier in this thread has asked the same question, please forgive me. I will now read all previous comments.)

I cannot believe that McCain is revisiting privatization. Does he have a political death wish? Is there no one on his staff of advisors saying "STOP!!!"? He's an idiot, and apparently he's surrounded himself with idiots.

Well, it's like baseball.

You can say the batter has two balls, but not "he's scratching his balls."

So, maybe McCain's just not able to say privatization, thinking it's too sexually explicit!

McCain: Don’t let Dems tell you I’m for privatization.

I just got to tell you, I think Liberals are giddy with anticipation since anybody could say that all McCain need do is open his stupid month.

So libby bloggers have devised this little meme that says McCain won’t be more that 5 poll points behind Obama at all times. You can almost hear the whispered laughter.

Oh that nasty Pelosi for taking impeachment off the table.

He is trying to be Bush but with out the Crawford charm and phony "Texas" accent.

Perhaps he could try clearing brush, that is, if his ancient ticker can take the stress.

The K street candidate shoots his mouth off and the world is aghast... And in other news, experts predict the Sun will rise in the east tomorrow.

This befuddled old war criminal is just parroting lines some dumbass Ayn Rand-worshipping Young Republican wrote for him. Ignore him. He is going to get massacred in this election...

Dude there is absolutely no extraction process involved in making chocolate and the whole genus is tropical.

Me-again: you're making absolutely no sense. And I say that as someone intimately familiar with nonsense.

The newpapers reported today (June 14th) that Sen. Obama has called for lifting the cap on social security taxes on all income over $250K. (Note that for small business owners who are not big enough to be incorporated as C-Corps, that will amount to a tax increase of an additional 12% of their income being taken by the Government.) I think we all owe him a vote of thanks for this, because it helps to make clear that social security is not an insurance program or a funded pension plan, but rather an ordinary, plain vanilla welfare program. Once people understand this, we can start to talk about real reforms.

Please, please, PLEASE get McCain to equate Social Security with welfare in a debate. Try and see if you can get him to call all those old white ladies "welfare queens in Cadillacs," too!!!

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