The stench from it all has always been awful.

I remember well the "few bad apples" approach.

I didn't believe it then, and I don't believe it now.

It's sad to think Curly Howard was correct when he quipped..

(Is this country in competent hands)..."Cointenly, we're all incompetent." nyuk nyuk

Yuk.

So much for our standing across the globe.

Turns out we deserve to be loathed.... few bad apples my ass!

The Uniform Code of Military Justice provides for criminal penalties for superiors who engage in cruelty and maltreatment of subordinates.

If I was in the House of Representatives I would have submitted articles of impeachment for at least Rumsfeld on this point in the case of how the E-5 and below were made scapegoats at Abu Ghraib, but the supervisors were let off the hook.

Quel surprise.

If there is one thing the last 8 years has taught us, it is that you can lie with impunity so long as the truth trickles out later at a pace slower than J6P's attention span.

Kevin,

One big question. What does Chantix have to do with PTSD? OK, so smoking may increase stress level a bit (or not) but as far as I can tell from googling it has no dual use as being therapeutic for PTSD. In the particular case of Chantix, the FDA/Pfizer/VA were using returning vets, many with PTSD, as guinea pigs without giving appropriate warnings about possible side effects. So I disagree with your thesis that this had anything to do with finding an appropriate treatment for PTSD.

Oh, darn. Wrong thread. Sorry.

At least they were planning ahead, for once.

Good God, why isn't Henry Waxman, John Conyers, et al. issung subpoenas for Rumsfeld to appear before Congress and then convenve a federal grand jury to put him on trial for criminal charges?

Are we ever going to hold one of these criminals accountable for anything? Ever???

KD
....So it turns out that all this was the fault of a few bad apples after all. Unfortunately, they were the ones ....

.....(ruining) the country....

Cause, if you'd said it that way, YOU"D be sent to a secret prison ship ASAP and never be heard from again.

Good God, why isn't Henry Waxman, John Conyers, et al. issung subpoenas for Rumsfeld to appear before Congress and then convenve a federal grand jury to put him on trial for criminal charges?

There's always The Hague.

Let's also not forget Rice, Cheney and the rest of that executive group that gave the go-ahead to torture.

Hey, look, if some guy came up to you with a sign that said "I'm a terrorist" and he said he knew where the nuclear anthrax bomb was buried and was going to go off under Angelina Jolie (and Brad, too) in five minutes, and he swore he wouldn't tell you where it was or how to disarm it unless you drove salted bamboo slivers under his toenails repeatedly, along with spankings, wouldn't you torture the heck out of him?

Well, there you go, then. Torture is OK.

I don't know if anyone's been watching it, but the Senate hearing on this (on CSPAN) has been pretty rivoting. And if Mr. Haynes is still scheduled to be questioned this afternoon - it should be quite a show.

Mutt & Jeff interrogation tactics? Shocking! ACDC turned up to '10'? Shocking! How dare the Government not give every captured comabatant a Miranda warning and a legal aid lawyer!

"How dare the Government not give every captured comabatant a Miranda warning and a legal aid lawyer! " dbl

If they are combatants, why not follow the Geneva conventions?

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MHR Member of the House of Representatives
MHR Mike Hailwood Replica (model of Ducati motorcycle)
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MHR Meridian High Resolution

Which is it?

Are we ever going to hold one of these criminals accountable for anything? Ever???

I at least hold out hope that Rumsfeld, Feith, Yoo, Wolfowitz and the rest of the war criminals will not be able to travel outside of the US for the rest of their lives for fear of arrest. Remember that war crimes, like piracy, are crimes of universal jurisdiction.....

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"The United States of America is not the liberals' idea of a good country."
Posted by: mhr on June 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM
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It is the Democrats and the Liberals who are trying to keep the Rule of Law and the Constitution while it's the Conservative Bush Republicans who are destroying us.

I think "mhr" stands for mule-headed Republican.

I know responding to the troll mhr is a mug's game, but:

Had US intelligence services not been savaged by liberals and the other so-called civil libertarians who put a very small premium on gathering of intelligence and the intercepting of communications between terrorists that bad day might have been prevented.

Um, as the Bush Administration was forced to admit when walking back its initial "there was no warning" claims, US intelligence services had gathered plenty of intelligence and intercepted plenty of communications to indicate that something was up.

Intel even saw fit to interrupt Bush's vacation for a briefing entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike US," which included warnings that a skyjacking might be in the offing.

And Bush, so far as we know, did nothing at all in response.

The delusions shared by movement conservatives like mhr make it seem to me that deep down, they know 9/11 happened because their incompetent President was asleep at the switch.

I called today, now its YOUR turn---Pelosi@1-202-225-0100 DEMAND IMPEACHMENT

Liberals are soft people...blah, blah, blah...

I'll have you know that I work out regularly and am quite hard.

mhr

Stands for:

McCain Has Rabies

Liberals are soft people who would not subject terror-arrestees to the physical exertion, emotional terror and deprivation that every US military recruit undergoes during their basic training. The feminization of the American liberal continues.

MHR, have you ever been on the wrong end of an AK47?
I thought not. You're just another asswipe keyboard commando.
STFU until you have faced what some of us "soft liberals" have.
I'm betting you would soil yourself.

Had US intelligence services not been savaged by liberals and the other so-called civil libertarians who put a very small premium on gathering of intelligence and the intercepting of communications between terrorists that bad day might have been prevented.

Nice try, dipshit. Except...The intel was intercepted, and the 06 August PDB, with the bold headline bin Laden determined to strike inside the U.S. was dismissed with a smirk and a "okay, you've covered your ass now" and Chimpy went back to clearing brush.

So you are either a deliberate liar or the stupidest motherfucker alive. The categories are not mutually exclusive.

Read "The Torture Team" by Philippe Sand. It's an excellent account of how Rumsfeld and his crew enabled torture at Guantanamo. Anyone who has read the book would have already known about these latest non-revelations w.r.t. the torture timeline.

It's as American as bad-apple pie!

I at least hold out hope that Rumsfeld, Feith, Yoo, Wolfowitz and the rest of the war criminals will not be able to travel outside of the US for the rest of their lives for fear of arrest.

I expect that years from now, at least one or two of them will get (stay) cocky and slip up, and we'll have the minor satisfaction of watching them get nabbed overseas.