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June 19, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

McCAIN PANDER WATCH....Steve Benen has updates from the past two weeks of John McCain's flip-flops. The total now comes to 48 — though it might be higher by the time I hit the "Save" button on this post. Pandering to the Republican base is hard work.

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At this point I could care less. This FISA thing really has me depressed. The only thing that changes is the personalities. The politics remain the same.

Posted by: Everyman on June 19, 2008 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

JC...you made my point.

Posted by: Everyman on June 19, 2008 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin,
You and Steve Bennen should try to remember that old saying that starts with "People who live in glass houses ...".
Both sides are pandering and flip flopping like dirty old men trying to pick up 20 year old hot chicks on spring break.
This is what is called the ugly phase of the GE. It should continue for, oh, 4 months plus a bit.

Posted by: optical weenie on June 19, 2008 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

Benen is being (at best) disingenuous. McCain might have backtracked on his own ImmigrationBill, but - despite what you might have heard - he still supports "reform". He's just occasionally used different tactics to get what the Dems and his corporate backers want. Don't be fooled by those who try to tell you otherwise.

As for the DREAMAct, if he truly opposes it now then that's a good thing. That anti-American bill would take college educations from U.S. citizens in order to give them to foreign citizens who are here illegally. In other words, because of the legislation that the Dems support, many U.S. citizens wouldn't be able to go to college.

[Note: WM and/or KD have a habit of deleting or editing comments without notice, so this comment may disappear or be different from what I posted. Search for "kevin drum" at my main site for examples of comments that were deleted.]

Posted by: The Annoying LonewackoDotCom on June 19, 2008 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK


Fat White Guy @ 2:51 sounds like a fat white guy who SUPPORTS public financing of elections. But I could be wrong :-)

-- TP

Posted by: Tony P. on June 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

Weenie: like dirty old men trying to pick up 20 year old hot chicks on spring break.

Young lady, you speak as if this is a thing of which you disapprove.

Posted by: thersites the dry drunk on June 19, 2008 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

Does McCain eat eucalyptus leaves too?

Posted by: slanted tom on June 19, 2008 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK

How about BHO breaking his promise on public financing?

What a moron.

"If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

McCain already screwed that one up, so the only thing flip-flopping is the broken rubber-band in your head, freeper.
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Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on June 19, 2008 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINK

re flip flop:

If he picks Lieberman, he'll run with a guy that can't decide if he's a Democrat or Repellican.

Posted by: eightnine2718281828mu5 on June 19, 2008 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

Are all 48 from the past 2 weeks? I thought only the first dozen or so were from recently, and the full 48 is from a longer time period

Posted by: Jesse on June 19, 2008 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, both sides are pandering, and it couldn't come at a more dangerous time given the state of the economy. All the populist fixes (handouts, protectionism, etc.) would prove precisely the wrong moves for the long run, just as the Fed's overreaction in lowering interest rates so aggressively has let inflation get out of the box. Say what you want about Bill Clinton (and I know you will), at least he had the leadership skills to make fiscal conservatism popular. We need a return to that approach, in both style and substance (just, you know, without the bimbos)...

Posted by: Richard on June 19, 2008 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

Anyhow, Weenie, I thought you wanted flip-flops for the Gas Tax Holiday. Or have you, um, changed your mind again?

Posted by: thersites the shoe slave on June 19, 2008 at 3:44 PM | PERMALINK


John McCain was an aerial serial murderer until he got some payback. He's been milking that tit ever since. Cindy's too.

Posted by: Ho on June 19, 2008 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

Thersites,
If you recall. Initially I wanted the lizard Manolo's (size 7) for my gas tax holiday present. Then I said I didn't need any more shoes since I had a complete color spectrum of flip flops. So I asked instead for oak flooring for my living and dining rooms. At that point your gnarly oak deity got in a snit ....
And you did give me the Manolo's at the party that took place at Kevin's house when he was on vacation.

Posted by: optical weenie on June 19, 2008 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
Last Updated: 1:23pm BST 18/06/2008

The Royal Bank of Scotland has advised clients to brace for a full-fledged crash in global stock and credit markets over the next three months as inflation paralyses the major central banks.

"A very nasty period is soon to be upon us - be prepared," said Bob Janjuah, the bank's credit strategist.

A report by the bank's research team warns that the S&P 500 index of Wall Street equities is likely to fall by more than 300 points to around 1050 by September as "all the chickens come home to roost" from the excesses of the global boom, with contagion spreading across Europe and emerging markets….
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Heckuva Job. Lets See McPander follow the Bush act. I think he can actually do worse.

Posted by: Jet on June 19, 2008 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

Okay, Weenie, so I am senile.
Can I be President now?

Posted by: thersites on June 19, 2008 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I would vote for senile shoe slave Thersites if he were bellicose as well. =P

Like the soup Nazi except with shoes..

Posted by: Jet on June 19, 2008 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

...all the chickens come home to roost...

Who knew that some crazy African-American preacher was running the Royal Bank of Scotland?

Posted by: thersites on June 19, 2008 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

Who knew that some crazy African-American preacher was running the Royal Bank of Scotland?

Bitter huh?

Posted by: Jet on June 19, 2008 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK

All the populist fixes (handouts, protectionism, etc.) would prove precisely the wrong moves for the long run, -=Richard=-

Bear Stearns was populist, who knew?

Posted by: Jet on June 19, 2008 at 4:17 PM | PERMALINK

Thersites the senile shoe slave for President?

Doesn't quite have the same ring as Inkblot for President. I'll stick with Inkblot, but thanks for offering.

Posted by: optical weenie on June 19, 2008 at 4:19 PM | PERMALINK

Doesn't quite have the same ring as Inkblot for President. I'll stick with Inkblot, but thanks for offering. -=Optical Weenie=-

Well, just wait till we take away the catnip and you see the real Inkblot!! Heh.

Posted by: on June 19, 2008 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, I've thrown my support behind that nice young Thripshaw fellow. But he's being coy.

Posted by: thersites on June 19, 2008 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK

Both candidates flip flop. Of course they do. Nothing is more annoying then when people think they "know" the candidates (ie "Barack Obama is a good man. I KNOW him"). You do not know these strangers. They are not your friends. You should not trust either McCain or Barack Obama.

And also, I have noticed that many liberals, instead of defending liberalism, change the subject and attack the Republican Party for being corrupt.

Well. Just because Republicans are corrupt does not make liberalism valid. This is not to say that liberalism is invalid, but this is to say that if liberals cannot defend their own philosophy on their own Web site-and have to resort to changing the subject-then they may be in trouble.

Posted by: B Lair on June 19, 2008 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

"Orwell,"

are you quoting something real or just transcribing the voices in your head?
Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: thersites on June 19, 2008 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK

"Young lady with the burka...

Without in any way excusing the Obama folks for a stupid decision, and while noting their prompt & deserved apology, we look forward to the McCain photo op with Log Cabin Republicans.

Posted by: junebug on June 19, 2008 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK

McCain already screwed that one up, so the only thing flip-flopping is the broken rubber-band in your head, freeper.
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Posted by: Grand Moff Texan

Since McCain has already accepted public financing for the general election as he said he would all along. BHO is the one breaking his promise on taking public financing no matter how he tries to spin it. Only a moron lefty like you would believe any different. I love it!

Posted by: Fat White Guy on June 19, 2008 at 5:17 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks, junebug.
Now someone can explain to "Orwell" the difference between a headscarf and a burka.

Posted by: thersites on June 19, 2008 at 5:31 PM | PERMALINK

BHO is the one breaking his promise on taking public financing no matter how he tries to spin it.

Au contraire, my pasty, fat-assed friend.

In fact, Mr. Obama stopped short of making a flat promise to participate in the public financing system. Asked in a questionnaire whether he would take part if his opponents did the same, Mr. Obama wrote yes. But he added, “If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.”

Mr. Obama has since said that he would only agree to such a deal if Mr. McCain agreed to curtail spending by the Republican Party and independent groups.

Needless to say, McCain didn't.

Posted by: junebug on June 19, 2008 at 5:35 PM | PERMALINK

For truth-in-advertising purposes, the troll should change his name to "Fat Stupid White Guy." I love it!

Posted by: DJ on June 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM | PERMALINK

For truth-in-advertising purposes, the troll should change his name to "Fat Stupid White Guy." I love it!

Posted by: DJ

DJ must stand for Dumb Jerk. I love it!

Posted by: on June 19, 2008 at 7:12 PM | PERMALINK

Needless to say BHO has made no effort to curtail groups like MoveOn...

I won't go so far as to say that my big-bellied friend with the complexion of mayonnaise is lying through his mossy teeth, but he clearly struggles to grasp the facts of the issue. The difference between the candidates is that Obama has made clear his desire to control outside influences:

Sen. Barack Obama's top fundraisers have asked his campaign donors to refrain from contributing to liberal independent political organizations in hopes of controlling the tone and message of the general-election campaign.

As you'd guess, this stands in direct contrast to McCain's stance on the issue, as doing so would gut the Republican playbook for general elections. (Swift Boaters, anyone?)

More importantly, Obama has already demonstrated leadership in this regard, having discouraged Progressive Media -- the joint effort does MoveOn.org & David Brock -- from organizing as a 527 in the upcoming election.

McCain, however, has been unable to demonstrate any leadership whatsoever on this score:

The McCain campaign has been less organized than Obama's in its efforts to counter the groups, but the senator from Arizona has made clear his antipathy toward them -- without much effect.

But I'll give both the McCain campaign & my tubby compatriot license to whine about it as much as they like. I understand that a good, long cry can be helpful when nothing else avails you.

Posted by: junebug on June 19, 2008 at 9:24 PM | PERMALINK

What's this I hear about McCain being sued for breaking his election campaign promises? Note that Fox really ragged on Barack today for deciding not to take public financing.

*** Cindy McCain dallied with John and enabled break-up of his marriage to first wife Carol, then stole narcotics from her own charity. Puts "for the first time" in perspective! ***

Posted by: Best Alien on June 19, 2008 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINK

MoveOn and other groups are running anti-McCain ads all over the place. So much for BHO's influence and true effort in stopping these groups.

I understand the trouble you have with reading, so I'll include the relevant passage from the article once again:

Mr. Obama has since said that he would only agree to such a deal if Mr. McCain agreed to curtail spending by the Republican Party and independent groups.

Had McCain agreed to this, you might have room to complain. He didn't; therefore you don't. But if it makes you feel better to whine, go right ahead. I see lots of that in your future.

Posted by: junebug on June 19, 2008 at 11:51 PM | PERMALINK

Fat White Guy: "held in captivity and tortured is not payback it is a war crime."

Apparently you agree, then, that our Administration should be tried for war crimes since it sanctions torture.

Posted by: Marquis de Bush on June 20, 2008 at 12:11 AM | PERMALINK

The AP piece acknowledged that it was a conditional deal. McCain didn’t meet the conditions, as exemplified by the fact that he’s illegally spending primary funds for the general election right now, even when he complains about Obama's perfectly legal actions. (As soneone elsewhere pointed out, being able to finance with small donors is a feature, not a bug.)

Obama didn’t break a promise. Obama put a deal on the table, McCain didn’t take it, so Obama walked away. Now the Republicans are complaining because Obama didn’t unilaterally disarm.

It's only causing so much outrage because it puts Republicans at a disadvantage. End of story.

Posted by: Gregory on June 20, 2008 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINK
Its only causing so much outrage because it puts Republicans at a disadvantage.

And because the outrage is a preemptive attempt to get something about Obama and campaign finance in the news before the DNC refiles their lawsuit about McCain's campaign finance shenanigans.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 20, 2008 at 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

BHO flip-floped

Obama filled out a questionaire saying he would "agressively pursue" public financing with the Republican nominee. One of his conditions was cutting out the 527 groups, which McCain didn't agree to. Perhaps we should compare the entire list of what you call Obama's flipflops to McCain's.

By the way, how can McCain legally qualify for a campaign paid for with taxpayer money, if he is already over the legal primary spending limit?

Posted by: Broken on June 20, 2008 at 7:06 PM | PERMALINK

Exclusive: MoveOn To Close Its 527 In Response To Obama's Candidacy

By Greg Sargent - June 20, 2008, 12:05PM

MoveOn, the advocacy group supporting Barack Obama, has decided to permanently shutter its 527 operation, partly in response to the Illinois Senator's insistence that such groups should not spend on his behalf during the general election, I've learned from the group's spokesperson.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/moveon_to_close_its_527.php

meanwhile,

mccain is still breaking the law...


McCain himself is at this moment breaking the law in continuing to spend over the spending limits he promised to abide by through the primary season in exchange for public financing. (By the FEC’s rules, we’re still in the primary phase of the election and will be until the conventions.)
- josh marshall...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/200902.php

Posted by: mr. irony on June 23, 2008 at 7:25 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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