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June 25, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

FAN FAVORITES....Just curious: is there any plausible prospect for Barack Obama's running mate who hasn't been immediately and widely trashed throughout the liberal blogosphere? Nobody comes immediately to mind.

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You mean other than FDR's corpse?

Posted by: Dave on June 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

Edwards?

Posted by: Publicola Hussein on June 25, 2008 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

Wes Clark is still pretty popular (except with full-on pacifists).

Posted by: Chris M on June 25, 2008 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK

Diane Feinstein?

Posted by: anonymous on June 25, 2008 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

Inkblot hasn't been trashed by either the liberal or conservative blogosphere.

Posted by: optical weenie on June 25, 2008 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

John Edwards.

Posted by: Stefan on June 25, 2008 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

Brian Schweitzer

Posted by: rosswords on June 25, 2008 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

Did I miss when Kathleen Sebelius got trashed by the liberal blogosphere? Complaints about her response to the State of the Union do not rise to the level of "trashing" IMHO.

Patty Murray has also not been trashed.

Posted by: Greg Abbott on June 25, 2008 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

What about Bill Richardson? He seemed kind of boring, but he was a governor, and seemed pretty competent. I don't think anyone would be wildly excited about him, but I don't think anyone really hates him either.

Posted by: Rohan on June 25, 2008 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

Edwards (John, not Chet)
Clark
and that's all I can think of, unless we forgive Sebelius for her awful State of The Union response, in which case I think she'd make the cut.

Posted by: bend on June 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM | PERMALINK

Janet Napolitano

Posted by: alameda on June 25, 2008 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

I

Posted by: Chris on June 25, 2008 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. But then again, I might be the only one who thinks she's plausible.

Posted by: Joe S. on June 25, 2008 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

Inkblot is the kind of Uppity Cat you'd find carousing with white women. :(

Posted by: absent observer on June 25, 2008 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

Max Cleland. Relentless campaigner, solid Dem, helps in Georgia, and could even neutralize McCain's Vietnam POW story. Can't understand why he's not higher on people's lists.

Posted by: robsalk on June 25, 2008 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

Patty Murray has also not been trashed.
Posted by: Greg Abbott

Ha, ha, ha, ha. Stop! You're killing me.

Our senior senator is okay, but I don't want her a heart beat away from leadership of the free world. In fact, I'm hoping she's done with politics as she promised when this term ends and Jay Inslee runs for her Senate seat.

Cantwell's much better looking in any case.

Posted by: Jeff II on June 25, 2008 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

Dianne Feinstein?

Oh, dear God, no.

And Bill Richardson doesn't get the nod until he explains why it was a good idea to lock Wen Ho Lee up in solitary confinement on evidence so flimsy that the judge in the case felt compelled to apologize to Lee for the way he'd been treated.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on June 25, 2008 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

No, but that's probably a function of the blogosphere, not the relative merits of the candidates.

Posted by: PeakVT on June 25, 2008 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

Warren Buffet

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on June 25, 2008 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

An unusual exercise. I fully expect it to be someone a bit unpopular with the liberal blogosphere.

Posted by: B on June 25, 2008 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

Have I not done a good enough job trashing Bill Richardson? Oh well, I've largely forgiven him anyway, ever since he endorsed Obama so enthusiastically.

Posted by: KathyF on June 25, 2008 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

Janet Napolitano Posted by: alameda

My Republican semi-conservative Christian mother who lives in Tucson and voted for Napolitano even suggested this. I think she's (Napolitano) more popular than any of the state's Congressional delegation.

Posted by: Jeff II on June 25, 2008 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

I mentioned on here a few weeks back that Rush Holt (D-NJ) would be a fantastic choice and I think he'd get strong support from the lefty blogosphere as well as centrists. Hell, he voted against the new and dismal FISA act as well as Iraq authorization, yet he's stellar on intelligence issues. What's not to like?

Posted by: Chuck Darwin on June 25, 2008 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

How about Michelle?

Posted by: Brian on June 25, 2008 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

Wesley Clark.

Posted by: southpaw on June 25, 2008 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

I think Evan Bayh gets short shrift. Indiana is truly more of a Southern state than Midwest. Some polls show a virtual tie between the candidates in Indiana. He might help with Ohio and Michigan along with Kentucky and West Virginia. Long time name in politics, telegenic, well spoken and free of scandal. John Edwards without the drawl. Law degree from U of VA. Downside is losing a Dem Senator in a mostly red state. Better to pick a governor and hope for 60 votes in the Senate.

Posted by: steve duncan on June 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

Russ Feingold.

Posted by: gregor on June 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM | PERMALINK

Personally I think Eleanor Holmes Norton would kick ass.

Posted by: B on June 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM | PERMALINK

AL GORE

Posted by: Don on June 25, 2008 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

Gosh, a lot of the people who commented above don't pay much attention to everything everywhere else on the 'Net.

(But I do like the idea of Inkblot, except that I doubt the kitty's 35 years old.)

Posted by: K on June 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

John Edwards, Wes Clark, Chris Dodd, Russ Feingold...

Posted by: The Fool on June 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

There's a small, far-left anti-anyone-in-the-military group who still tries to tarnish Wes Clark's record, but otherwise, Wes Clark has stood up well in the blogosphere.

Posted by: catherineD on June 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. But then again, I might be the only one who thinks she's plausible.
Posted by: Joe S.

Can she pass a Wasserman test?

Posted by: on June 25, 2008 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

James Jones?

Posted by: justmy2 on June 25, 2008 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island. 59-years old, very progressive, working-class background, Catholic. Graduate of West Point and Harvard Law, served in the army as a paratrooper for 12 years and is now a high-ranking member of the Armed Services committee and the Appropriations Committee. Solid record, including a "NO" vote on the IWR.

He doesn't automatically flip-a-state, to be sure, but very, very few running mates would actually do that.

Posted by: Andrew on June 25, 2008 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

I don't remember ever seeing Feingold trashed by the liberal blogosphere, although he has occasionally taken a beating from members of his own party (mainly because he exposes their hypocrisies). I could definitely get behind him as VP candidate, although I don't really think we can afford to lose two Democratic Senators to the President and VP. We are also going to "lose" Lieberman and that means we need to pick up seats elsewhere.

Posted by: HungChad on June 25, 2008 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

Weenie: Inkblot hasn't been trashed by either the liberal or conservative blogosphere.

What about that stay in catnip rehab?

Posted by: Domino on June 25, 2008 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

There are still pro-Hillary bloggers out there ... prominent ones ... who are STILL sniping at Obama (and therefore helping McCain), and I think it's safe to say that every human being on this planet has a detractor on the liberal blogosphere at this point. We've turned into a bunch of back biting hyenas.

It follows the classic pattern:

1. Group unites against common enemy.
2. Group beats enemy.
3. Group battles itself.
4. Group loses against common enemy.
5. Rinse and Repeat, from about 5000 BCE to today.

Posted by: BombIranForChrist on June 25, 2008 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

Wes Clark

Posted by: gauss on June 25, 2008 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

Wes Clark

Posted by: gauss on June 25, 2008 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

I'm available.


Hey, you asked.

Posted by: CT on June 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

Domino is a fine one to talk. See you at the meeting next week, friend?

Posted by: thersites the dry drunk on June 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

John Edwards, Wes Clark, Chris Dodd, Russ Feingold... Posted by: The Fool

I thought Feingold should have run for the nomination.

If none of them take it, you've just named my choices for AG, Secretary of Defense and, maybe, HHS. Then Gore as SS and RFK Jr. for EPA or Interior.

Posted by: Jeff II on June 25, 2008 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

Jimmy Buffett?

Posted by: kenga on June 25, 2008 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK

Uh, he should select me that would catch everyone flat footed. I'm strong on defense. I played rugby in college. I have travel over seas. I scored ass in 3 different countries. Solid domestic policy chops. I the father of 3.

My only baggage is that I'm smokin' hot...you know the playa haters.

I would select me if I was Obama.

You can call me jcren.
-Holla

Posted by: Incredulous on June 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

JeffII - how about Gore as Sec Energy? I think, given Dr. Hansen's recent testimony, that DOE is going to need to be a big player in the future.
And he'll consider things other than coal ...

Posted by: kenga on June 25, 2008 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

Philip Bredesen, Gov-Tenn.

Posted by: anonymous on June 25, 2008 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

"Andrew" is spot on: Jack Reed.

Like he says, the only issue is geography. A Senator from RI isn't going to automatically swing any conservative states Obama's way. Reed would be a fantastic Sec. State or Sec. Def, too. He's also on the banking, housing, etc committee. The WaPo recently had a nice feature on his work to help struggling homeowners fight foreclosure.

Standing at 5'7" , he'd also make Obama look a lot taller.

Posted by: NB on June 25, 2008 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK

how about someone who has not so far been a career politician? Someone a bit above the fray, or not a Washington insider type would be interesting. The way Perot appealed to people as a self-made business-type to clean things up (true or not). And in keeping with certain Obama themes. Although ideally we want someone who can be the presumptive nominee in 2016.

I don't know if Warren Buffet is a crazy idea or not, but let's think outside the box a bit. I guess Wes Clark fits the non-politician criterion, though I'm not convinced he's very bright. I especially think it would be a bad idea to even consider any sitting or recently sitting Senator for many reasons, most of all because we might need all the votes we can get in the Senate. I have mixed feelings about Richardson, but I think strategically, he would be pretty good choice.

Posted by: norbert on June 25, 2008 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

JeffII - how about Gore as Sec Energy? I think, given Dr. Hansen's recent testimony, that DOE is going to need to be a big player in the future.
And he'll consider things other than coal ...
Posted by: kenga

That would be fine, too. Then maybe the department could be reinvested with a bit of authority and such. About all it does now is catch shit for dragging its feet on nukular waste clean-up.

Posted by: Jeff II on June 25, 2008 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

Wes Clark would be a much better miltary choice than Webb: military cred, foreign policy chops, and no background of womanizing.

Posted by: matt on June 25, 2008 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

Hee, I thought this post said, "Is there anyone who hasn't been trashed..." instead of "Everyone announce your favorites for VP like in 100 other threads!"

Actually, come to think of it, a couple of people who are favorites haven't really been trashed and should be. For example,

Posted by: shortstop on June 25, 2008 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin Drum.

Posted by: TedL on June 25, 2008 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK

Hee, I thought this post said, "Is there anyone who hasn't been trashed..." instead of "Everyone announce your favorites for VP like in 100 other threads!" Posted by: shortstop

That's enough of that, Buffalo Gal.

Posted by: on June 25, 2008 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I read somewhere that Obama is looking at temperment and personality *before* policy postions so look for someone calm, undramatic, steady. No drama queens need apply.

Posted by: scruncher on June 25, 2008 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

steve duncan:
Evan Bayh sucks. I'll take his dad any day of the week(even though he's older than John McBush).

Posted by: Joe Klein's conscience on June 25, 2008 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

Nobody puts shortstop in a corner!

Posted by: on June 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

Greg Abbott >"...Patty Murray has also not been trashed."

What Jeff II said (including about Ms. Cantwell).

Jeff II >"...If none of them take it, you've just named my choices for AG, Secretary of Defense..."

Clark can`t be SecDef due to federal law (must have been off active duty at least 10 years) & my choice (Anthony Zinni) also has the same issue.

VP = Wesley Clark
AG = John Edwards
SecState = William J. Clinton
SecTreasury = Warren Buffet
SecDef = Jack Reed (?) - certainly needs to be someone with military experience & cred

"War is the easy part" - Anthony Zinni

Posted by: daCascadian on June 25, 2008 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

Gen. Clark may help the military-centric vote for Sen. Obama, but what about in eight years, when he will become the presumptive presidential candidate front runner? Liberals and leftists may vote for Sen. Obama in 2008, but will they vote for a general in 2016? I hope not.

Posted by: Brojo on June 25, 2008 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

The thing about Clark is that unlike everyone else named, he hasn't gotten a lot of abuse from the left blogosphere. He's military, yes, but not a super-hawk. Even our most anti-military poster might admit he's not a super-hawk, and surely less scary than McSham.

Posted by: thersites on June 25, 2008 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

If anyone can show me a single liberal blog who's criticized Russ Feingold, I'd love to see it.

Now, whether or not a thrice divorced Jewish guy from Wisconsin is a "plausible" pick is another matter, but I fail to see how he wouldn't be. He has the experience, the record of accomplishment, and is one of the most honest and forthright politicians in the history of mankind.

Dude would rock as Veep.

Posted by: Mark D on June 25, 2008 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

Clark can`t be SecDef due to federal law (must have been off active duty at least 10 years) . . .

I did not know that. He's got to be close, though. Didn't he retire when Clinton was still in office?

SecState = William J. Clinton Posted by: daCascadian

Oh, god no! The Clintons' time for public service needs to come to an end (except for Chelsea because she's got longer legs than Cantwell).

Bubba's got too much ego and would think of himself as an assistant president.

Posted by: Jeff II on June 25, 2008 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

I forgot to mention my choice for Ambassador to the UN...

James E. Carter Jr.

the best ex-president EVER !

"The bond of our common humanity is stronger than the divisiveness of our fears and prejudices." - James Carter

Posted by: daCascadian on June 25, 2008 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK

Bill Gates (Jr.)

Almost as rich as Buffett, but a lot younger.

Can buy the liberal blogosphere and turn it into his own echo chamber.

(Disclaimer: Satire. Just in case you think I'm serious.)

OK, serious now,

Inkblot.

Never been trashed by the blogosphere. Never will. And he's clearly authentic. Comfortable in his own skin, as it were. Ready on Day One. Sleeps less than the current President and makes fewer verbal gaffes.

Posted by: Greg in FL on June 25, 2008 at 3:21 PM | PERMALINK

Jeff II >"...Didn't he retire when Clinton was still in office?..."

2000 according to Wikipedia (same as Zinni)

Jeff II >"...she's got longer legs than Cantwell..."

Thanks but I`d rather Cantwell...

Jeff II >"...Bubba's got too much ego and would think of himself as an assistant president."

He`s way smarter than that & the rest of the planet loves & respects him (I couldn`t care less about his sexual behavior since I left junior high long ago).

"Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage." - H.L. Mencken

Posted by: daCascadian on June 25, 2008 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

The thing about inkblot is you are pretty much ruling out a 2016 run. He'll be like a hundred by then. No, I think he has to refuse and leave open the possibility of a primary or third party challenge in 2012.

Posted by: asdf on June 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

Not Gates.
The dislocations caused by having to shut down the coutnry a couple of times a day would be too much.

Posted by: thersites on June 25, 2008 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

Greg in FL >"Bill Gates (Jr.)..."

Sorry but BillG has a foundation to run which gives him (and Melinda) a far better chance to make a difference in the human condition than any political office.

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf the Grey

Posted by: daCascadian on June 25, 2008 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

Jeff II >"...Didn't he retire when Clinton was still in office?..." 2000 according to Wikipedia (same as Zinni)

Damn. Well, just have him as a special adviser to the president on things that go "boom" for a few months.

(I couldn`t care less about his sexual behavior since I left junior high long ago).Posted by: daCascadian

As did I, but I'm not sure about Bubba. And while it probably didn't affect his performance in office (smirk), he's just too much an object of hatred for white Republican (yes, a redundancy) males who can't even get their wifes to blow them let alone that cute pudgy gal down in accounting or that blond drinks cart girl out at the country club ("How much do I have to tip her for Christ sakes!?).

He's just got too much political baggage. I'm hoping we can clear the decks a bit.

Posted by: Jeff II on June 25, 2008 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

What's the difference - I don't plan on voting for him anyhow. He is just another lying liar and corporate whore.

His total capitulation on FISA proved to me that he is not a man of his word. He is not a "constitutional" scholar or "expert."

We have restrictions because of the way wiretaps were used against leaders like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

He must be rolling in his grave to see the first African American presidential nominee cave in on this - give in to the most unpopular president in modern history, perhaps all-time.

No excuse - he'll took our money when he was a nobody - instead of providing leadership today, he is meeting with corporate CEOs.

If the 4th ammendment and US democracy is going to be destroyed, let the history books show that mccain and the repug did it.

Ralph was right - if it takes another 4 years of disaster to get America upset, so be it.

Posted by: on June 25, 2008 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

Jeff II >"...He's just got too much political baggage..."

I agree some people really have "issues" with him but I`m of the opinion that for the next 5-10 years we need (have ?) to think more about how the rest of the planet sees us than about domestic political "concerns". Also the fact that ReThugs hate him so much is a positive in my book; anything to push them off the deep end.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

Posted by: daCascadian on June 25, 2008 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

Al Gore? Brad Henry?

Feingold and Howard Dean would be great too.

Posted by: Carl Nyberg on June 25, 2008 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

Just today the local papers have been talking up Congressman Chet Edwards (TX-17th) who is an 8 term Congressman from Central Texas and currently holds the most Republican district in the nation that is held by a Democrat. This district covers Waco and Crawford so it is Bush's home district.

Edwards is a good guy who has held this district without going all Blue Dog with the rest of the weak kneed Dem types seated in much less Republican districts. His strongest issue is veterans affairs. He has the local Republicans absolutely flustered.

The local papers are reporting today that he is Nancy Pelosi's top choice for a running mate. Expect to hear more about him.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/06/25/06252008wacedwards.html

Posted by: Kent from Waco on June 25, 2008 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

"Is there any plausible candidate . . ."

No. The liberals' faves tend to be the least plausible candidates, IMO.

And the most plausible candidate, Jim Webb, is IMO, the one possible pick most routinely trashed throughout the liberal blogosphere. This actually augurs well for Webb. Here's why: liberals perceive Webb as a conservative, or a sexist, or, gasp, a Reagan Dem--or any of the other venerable lefty shibboleths that are part of our great tradition of beautiful loserdom in the Democratic party. (BTW: Webb's none of these things. He's complicated.)

Now: take these perceptions of Webb and plunk the actual man down among country folk and veterans in Kentucky. Or southwestern Virginia. Or South Carolina. And start counting the votes from independents and disillusioned Republicans.

Posted by: paxr55 on June 25, 2008 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

I like Schweitzer of Montana, but I'd also like to see someone like Tom Udall of New Mexico. Both are unlikely to want the job. Then again, offers for the Vice-Presidency don't come up all the time.

Posted by: jon on June 25, 2008 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

Why not Swan?

Posted by: the wisdom of swan on June 25, 2008 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

So...

John Edwards
Russ Feingold
Wes Clark
Bill Richardson
Kathleen Sebelius
Al Gore

There's probably a few more that don't immediately come to mind. Try Chris Bower's posts on Openleft about the VP, to get the full list of plausible lefty candidates. I think the aggregate responses here prove that the left doesn't just attack everyone, and that Drum's rhetorical question has been answered.

I'm sure, though, that he'll take refuge in the "plausible" bit, as he always does. (Who would think that a black man would be a plausible presidential nominee, Kevin?)

Posted by: JD on June 25, 2008 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

As a member of the "Lefty" blogosphere, I resent the implication of that remark. I have participated in the beating up of only one of the names proferred by you more serious bloggers and the mainsteam press, and that was Sam Nunn. Otherwise, who cares who the VP nominee is? McCain's VP nominee, on the other hand, is much more important considering McCain's advanced age.

Posted by: Houston In Oakland on June 25, 2008 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

Robert KKK Byrd

It would be a real reconciliation ticket.
Posted by: Orwell on June 25, 2008 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

But it lacks the oomph & real bringing together of a ticket including an unreconstructed racist, such as yourself.

Posted by: junebug on June 25, 2008 at 4:13 PM | PERMALINK

I like Schweitzer of Montana, but I'd also like to see someone like Tom Udall of New Mexico. Both are unlikely to want the job. Then again, offers for the Vice-Presidency don't come up all the time.
Posted by: jon

As Buffalo Gal pointed out to me, Schweitzer is about as "liberal" as you're going to get in Montana, but he's not green in the least. And capturing the NRA vote matters to individual members of Congress, but has little value at the national level where the majority of voters don't look all that kindly on gun ownership.

Posted by: Jeff II on June 25, 2008 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

No one has trashed Caroline Kennedy on the internet yet.

Any of my cats can whoop up on either Inkblot or Domino, so there!

Nancy Pelosi is a republican (kindest word I could think of), so I'd take her opinion with a grain of salt.

Posted by: slanted tom on June 25, 2008 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

Ralph was right - if it takes another 4 years of disaster to get America upset, so be it.

How much does the McCain campaign pay you to post that?

Posted by: rea on June 25, 2008 at 4:26 PM | PERMALINK

That's enough of that, Buffalo Gal.

That's Miss Bison Babe, Ma'am to you. More of that talk and you lose the Jellystone Moments Huckleberry Jam Sampler.

Posted by: shortstop on June 25, 2008 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK

Bubba's got too much ego and would think of himself as an assistant president.

Wherefore the "assistant"?

The Big Dog as secretary of state is a perfectly horrendous idea.

Posted by: shortstop on June 25, 2008 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

Might as well put dur chimpfurher in charge of homeland security and keep cheney on as VP. After all, obama is just doing their dirty work anyhow.

MEETING WITH CORPORATE CEOS AND BEGGING FOR MONEY TO RETIRE CLINTON'S DEBT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO HIM THAN THE 4TH AMENDMENT1

Posted by: on June 25, 2008 at 4:39 PM | PERMALINK

How about someone completely different from the usual suspects? I mean, we now have a presidential nominee from left field. Why not make a clean break from our dubious tradition of playing it safe, and go there for our VZP pick, as well?

I offer for your consideration a bona fide liberal, freshman congresswoman and longtime state legislator from California, Jackie Speier (D-CA12). Simply put, she's one of the smartest public servants I've ever had the privilege of meeting -- and at age 58, one of our most seasoned and courageous politicians.

As a young member of the late Congressman Leo Ryan's staff, she was one of the few survivors of the infamous Jonestown massacre in Guyana, having been machine-gunned by Jim Jones' armed guards -- along with her boss and several other co-workers -- and left for dead on an airport tarmac, just prior to the mass suicide by his followers. She still walks with a slight limp from the grievous wounds she suffered to both legs.

Her life story is very compelling, she's a true policy wonk on a wide range of issues, particularly health care and human services, and she's a proven winner.

Posted by: Out in Pasadena on June 25, 2008 at 4:45 PM | PERMALINK

Obama is smart. He likely will select someone who will not alienate former Clinton supporters (like me). That's one reason Clark has an edge over Webb. I really like Webb as a senator - he has his area of expertise and speaks his mind. His mind, unfortunately, is also sexist. Not uncommon with military control freaks.

Truthfully, after the Exxon verdict by the Supreme Court, Obama could select Hugh Hefner as his vp and I'd still vote for him.

But my first choice for the Dem candidate was John Edwards. He should go on the Supreme Court as soon as an opening occurs.

Posted by: jen flowers on June 25, 2008 at 5:04 PM | PERMALINK

Inkblot is over 35 in cat years!

Posted by: Flavius on June 25, 2008 at 5:05 PM | PERMALINK

yes, I've got one: himself. He'll give of those self important speeches he loves to give, chin distened like a true blue blood, and solemnly declare that after careful reflection he has come to relaise that he is indeed The One - and there cannot of course be another One. Only one One. Or another possibility: his wife. I'm guessing she can get him to do just about whatever she wants hin to do.

Posted by: oblong on June 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM | PERMALINK

Wesley Clark. He was also an early, vocal supporter of Hillary Clinton's, so picking him might help a little with fence mending.

Posted by: Augustus on June 25, 2008 at 5:10 PM | PERMALINK

In fact, Wes Clark may be the answer to Kevin's question. He's the one plausible VP pick who AFAIK has avoided liberal blogosphere trashing. He doesn't seem to be an animus generator.


Posted by: paxr55 on June 25, 2008 at 5:28 PM | PERMALINK

Finegold should be the 1st Supreme Court appointee, not the vice president.
Generally, Wesley Clark seems like a good VP prospect.

Posted by: on June 25, 2008 at 5:35 PM | PERMALINK

Max Cleland IS an interesting choice. Also, Jack Reid.

Posted by: Hotspur on June 25, 2008 at 5:36 PM | PERMALINK

Oops!! That's Feingold. (Sorry Russ)

Posted by: on June 25, 2008 at 5:37 PM | PERMALINK

I want the French politician Rama Yade -just for the yard signs...."ObamaRama." DH would like to see the Dalai Lama for the same reason.

Posted by: jill on June 25, 2008 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK

Has any even mentioned Claire McCaskill?

Posted by: Sean Scallon on June 25, 2008 at 5:47 PM | PERMALINK

I am getting very, very angry about this.

Posted by: Domino on June 25, 2008 at 5:57 PM | PERMALINK

Clark and Edwards are the only two that come to mind, and I think Clark seals the deal for Obama, but no one listens to me.

Posted by: John O on June 25, 2008 at 6:04 PM | PERMALINK

Clark and Edwards are the only two that come to mind, and I think Clark seals the deal for Obama, but no one listens to me.

Posted by: John O on June 25, 2008 at 6:04 PM | PERMALINK

Clark and Edwards are the only two that come to mind, and I think Clark seals the deal for Obama, but no one listens to me.

Posted by: John O on June 25, 2008 at 6:04 PM | PERMALINK

no one listens to me.
Posted by: John O

Actually, I listened the first two times. ;)

Domino, calm down or we'll have to call your sponsor.

Posted by: thersites on June 25, 2008 at 6:08 PM | PERMALINK

Pretty good list of people. Isn't Patti Murray a dolt?

Bob Beckel has a persuasive column today about how it should be Hillary.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/its_not_even_close_obama_shoul.html

Beckel may be right, but regardless, I think Hillary will roll Obama and get the pick.

I think the second most likely possibility is Edwards, assuming that Kaus' obsession that he has a love child with that "film producer" he paid $100k to is false.

Posted by: on June 25, 2008 at 6:09 PM | PERMALINK

paxr55 at 5:28: He doesn't seem to be an animus generator.

Phrase of the day, IMO.

Posted by: thersites on June 25, 2008 at 6:23 PM | PERMALINK

How much does the McCain campaign pay you to post that?

Real question is how much telecoms and other interests pay pelosi, hoyer, obama, and the democratic party establishment to capitulate to the most unpopular president in modern US history?

Unfortunately, obama is just another chimpy enabler that says what he needs to when asking for money and then sides with the chimp.

We don't need him, we need real change, 4 more years of bush might finally convince people its more than key meaningless text on comment boards - it's time for meaningful actions.

OBAMA IS A COWARD AND SHILL.

Posted by: on June 25, 2008 at 6:26 PM | PERMALINK

Mmmm, I had never considered the possibility of Max Cleland, but he sounds pretty good right now.

Posted by: tommy harper on June 25, 2008 at 6:29 PM | PERMALINK

I'm tellin' ya, Obama should choose Tonya Harding as his VP. She'll strike fear in the hearts of her competitors AND she can defuse criticism about Obama's connections to the watercress sandwich crowd.

Tonya hasn't been trashed yet in the liberal blogosphere (for that matter does she know what the blogosphere is?) Her whole life's on display at www.tonyaharding.com, so she's essentially already vetted. Her "Fantasy" page is a trip.

Posted by: pj in jesusland on June 25, 2008 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK

I can just see Inkblot at the country club, holding a martini, standing against the wall and making snotty comments about everyone else, with a good-looking girl on his arm.

Posted by: Karl Rove on June 25, 2008 at 6:57 PM | PERMALINK

I wish it were possible for Christine Gregoire to be considered (Dem gov of Washington). She's a lot like Hillary without the baggage -- not a great natural campaigner, but tough and hard-working and a wonk.

Unfortunately, if she resigned as gov to run as VP, Dino Rossi would win gov in November, and he's a pig.

But Gregoire would be better than either of our Senators (Patty Murray, Maria Cantwell).

How come no one ever mentions Barbara Boxer? Is it just because with a Repub governor, she'd be replaced by a Repub? I think she'd be pretty good.

Posted by: sherrold on June 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM | PERMALINK

I'd like to see someone choose an outlier, like a Steve Jobs or Phil Knight or some other business/marketing genius. At least if Jobs got the VP slot America would look and sound a lot cooler and be much more light-weight than before.

Posted by: Fred F. on June 25, 2008 at 7:16 PM | PERMALINK

Karl Rove >"...with a good-looking girl on his arm."

Jeez Karl, you are really slipping. You forgot to mention she is one he lives with w/o blessing of legal state sanctioned marriage.

Domino of course

"...you cannot save your face and your ass at the same time..." - vachon@shadrach.net

Posted by: daCascadian on June 25, 2008 at 7:33 PM | PERMALINK

Somebody's trashed Sibelius? She's looking better and better.

Posted by: digitusmedius on June 25, 2008 at 7:46 PM | PERMALINK

Why not Dick Gephardt?

Experienced, gaffe-proof, liberal but not too liberal.

Posted by: Woodrow on June 25, 2008 at 7:52 PM | PERMALINK

Has Inkblot been neutered?
That would rule out certain problems we had with Bill Clinton.

Posted by: thersites on June 25, 2008 at 7:54 PM | PERMALINK

Woodrow: "Why not Dick Gephardt?"

You're kidding, right?

Posted by: Out in Pasadena on June 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Walsh.

Posted by: cazart on June 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM | PERMALINK

Ron Wyden! I actually heard him say in a radio interview that the tax-exempt status of churches should be revoked. Now them's some cojones!

Or the even more liberal Pete Defazio...

As for all the talk about Chet Edwards...he voted for the FISA bill.

Posted by: Matt in Eugene on June 25, 2008 at 8:52 PM | PERMALINK

Wes Clark ...doesn't seem to be an animus generator.

Generator Wes Clark can only general animus.


Posted by: Brojo on June 25, 2008 at 9:15 PM | PERMALINK

Having just seen Rep. Robert Wexler on Countdown he seems a potential choice that isn't mentioned often. Progressive, a staunch Obama supporter and is no problem bashing McCain or Obama opponents.

Posted by: tom.a on June 25, 2008 at 9:28 PM | PERMALINK

To paraphrase the unofficial motto of the bluegrass world:

"Liberals - we eat our own"

And to the Nader fan - grow up take your Leninist "heighten the contradictions" crap back to wherever you came from. At the end of the day, politics is always the lesser of two evils. Setting things up for people to suffer for four years so you can really show them is as evil as anything Bush or Cheney or Obama have signed off on.

Posted by: stuck in 200 on June 25, 2008 at 9:40 PM | PERMALINK

The CNN political blog is pushing Evan Bayh.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on June 25, 2008 at 10:12 PM | PERMALINK

Generator Wes Clark can only general animus.

With friends like that, who needs animus?

Posted by: thersites on June 25, 2008 at 10:25 PM | PERMALINK

I still say taking out a moderate Repub Senator is the best policy - trading Lamar Alexander for Harold Ford, or Collins or Snowe for whatever Dem would fill their seat would be worth the risk.

Posted by: loki on June 25, 2008 at 10:58 PM | PERMALINK

Today Obama said he favors the death penalty for crimes other than murder, such as child molestation. I'm beginning to think that maybe McCain doesn't seem so bad after all.

Posted by: Pocket Rocket on June 25, 2008 at 11:44 PM | PERMALINK

As did I, but I'm not sure about Bubba. And while it probably didn't affect his performance in office (smirk), he's just too much an object of hatred for white Republican (yes, a redundancy) males who can't even get their wifes to blow them let alone that cute pudgy gal down in accounting or that blond drinks cart girl out at the country club ("How much do I have to tip her for Christ sakes!?).

How much pain does the world have to endure because Republicans can't get a blow job? Shouldn't it be the civic responsibility of every Democratic hooker to give a weekly charity BJ?
Just think of all the lives that could be saved...

Posted by: MLuther on June 26, 2008 at 12:12 AM | PERMALINK

Who gives a rat's ass who the "liberal" bloggers want for VP? Does anyone consider what is best for the entire country instead of their own narrow special interests?

Posted by: Milt on June 26, 2008 at 12:14 AM | PERMALINK

The good news for his ultimate VP selection is that Obama's working overtime to piss off the liberal blogosphere all by himself. Absolutely. Fucking. Inexplicable.

Caveat emptor.

Posted by: junebug on June 26, 2008 at 12:23 AM | PERMALINK

I've been very impressed by Sheldon WHitehouse, but I'm not sure he brings any unique attributes to the ticket. Just seems like a very intelligent and thoughtful guy

Posted by: Damned at Random on June 26, 2008 at 1:44 AM | PERMALINK

Carla Bruni, oh wait, she's not american.

Posted by: CSTAR on June 26, 2008 at 1:54 AM | PERMALINK

Martin O'Malley. Aside from being Catholic and gay, what's the problem?

Posted by: I'm the Slime on June 26, 2008 at 3:34 AM | PERMALINK

Rep. Joe Sestak (D-PA), 56, retired admiral, former commander of USS George Washington carrier battle group and first director of Navy's "Deep Blue" anti-terrorism task force.

Posted by: allbetsareoff on June 26, 2008 at 3:45 AM | PERMALINK

You guys should be listening to me more often. That means you Donald from Hawaii. I see you!

I predicted a McCain defeat in 06 based on his height, age, and general ugliness. I also called for a Clark/Obama ticket in December of that year.

Suck on this, shitheads

Posted by: enozinho on June 26, 2008 at 4:24 AM | PERMALINK

Rocky Anderson

Posted by: Stuart Eugene Thiel on June 26, 2008 at 6:37 AM | PERMALINK

I'm a jackass, not a shithead. Get it right.

Ross Perot? (just for the head-asplody goodness)

Posted by: kenga on June 26, 2008 at 8:43 AM | PERMALINK

Senator Jack Reed of Rhode Island. War hero and staunch liberal. Of course, Rhode Island is always a sure bet to go Dem in the general, so who needs him.

Posted by: wheresthebeef on June 26, 2008 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK

It would have to be John Edwards. Biden, Hillary, Richardson, Bayh, etc. have already gotten hammered in one way or another throughout the liberal blogoshere. Wesley Clark is certainly not Mr. Liberal either. He supports missile defense, he supported the Invasion of Iraq, he supported the bill to label the Iranian Guard a terrorist organization and has called a timetable in Iraq a "bad idea."

Posted by: brianr on June 26, 2008 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

Weenie: Inkblot hasn't been trashed by either the liberal or conservative blogosphere.

What about that stay in catnip rehab?

Posted by: Domino on June 25, 2008 at 2:24 PM

They tried to make me go to rehab, but I said no, no, no!

Posted by: Inkblot the Warrior on June 26, 2008 at 5:16 PM | PERMALINK

I cannot believe anyone would seriously consider Rush Holt. Very smart guy, good congressman, but he comes across like Mr. Rogers. Also, being a Quaker, he doesn't really help Obama with his "national security credentials."

Wes Clark. He could even help with the Florida Jewish voters!

Posted by: theo on June 26, 2008 at 5:50 PM | PERMALINK

Inkblot continues to evade the "neutered" question, however. Why is that?

Posted by: thersites on June 26, 2008 at 6:11 PM | PERMALINK

Inkblot continues to evade the "neutered" question, however. Why is that?


Posted by: thersites

Because he doesn't have the balls to do so.

Posted by: optical weenie on June 26, 2008 at 6:18 PM | PERMALINK

I'm shocked. SHOCKED! I say.

Posted by: thersites on June 26, 2008 at 6:20 PM | PERMALINK

I support Howard Dean, who has been both a governor and party chairman, indicating an ability to herd cats.

It would be like Reagan-Goldwater '68.

Posted by: Dana Blankenhorn on June 26, 2008 at 6:31 PM | PERMALINK

I support Howard Dean, who has been both a governor and party chairman, indicating an ability to herd cats.

It would be like Reagan-Goldwater '68.

Posted by: Dana Blankenhorn on June 26, 2008 at 6:31 PM | PERMALINK
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