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July 2, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

RELEASE THE FICO!....I demand that Barack Obama release his FICO score. If he doesn't, he risks losing the trust of all hardworking, mortgage-paying heartland Americans who paid average rates for their mortgages because they had average FICO scores.

Seriously, folks, I know it's summer, but has the beltway press corps gone completely batshit insane? I usually don't bother posting on outrage-of-the-day stuff because I find it kind of boring, but this week has already been one for the books and it's only half over. First we had the inane Wes Clark pseudo-scandal (note to pundits: Clark was echoing Bob Schieffer's words because that's how people usually respond to questions) and now we have a complete non-scandal over the fact that people with high incomes generally qualify for slightly better mortgage rates than regular working stiffs. Is there something in the water back in DC, or what?

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I demand that Barack Obama come-over to my house and cook my dinner. Otherwise, he risks alienating middle-class voters and their dinner-eating concerns...

Posted by: rusrus on July 2, 2008 at 11:45 AM | PERMALINK

You are imagining things. everyone knows that the press has a left wing bias and is consistantly fair to Deomcrats while spreading baseless smears of republicans.

Posted by: wonkie on July 2, 2008 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK

I agree with Kevin that this mortgage story is overblown. However, I would quibble with his comment, "a complete non-scandal over the fact that people with high incomes generally qualify for slightly better mortgage rates than regular working stiffs."

Obama's rate was compared with other very large mortgages. The homeowners taking huge mortgages were all high-income people. So, the story is that Obama got a slightly better rate than the average of other high-income borrowers.

However, the difference in rate is too minor to be any sort of scandal IMHO.

Posted by: David on July 2, 2008 at 11:53 AM | PERMALINK

" . . . but has the beltway press corps gone completely batshit insane?"

Yes.

And the WaPo editorial page editors? A disgrace and a joke.

Posted by: paxr55 on July 2, 2008 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

As nate at http://www.fivethirtyeight.com put it: "This article was neither smart nor accountable. It's the equivalent of noting that Alex Rodriguez has a batting average 40 points better than the league average, and using that to infer that the umpires were biased in his favor."

Posted by: matt on July 2, 2008 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

In answer to one of your questions, have you ever tasted DC tapwater? Utterly undrinkable. Not recommended for children, the elderly or small animals.

Posted by: clb72 on July 2, 2008 at 11:57 AM | PERMALINK

Seriously, folks, I know it's summer, but has the beltway press corps gone completely batshit insane?


I know it is a rhetorical question and all but they should have all been institutionalized a long time ago(meaning November 2000). So they've been batshit insane for a long time.

Posted by: Joe Klein's conscience on July 2, 2008 at 11:58 AM | PERMALINK

Great Googly Moogly, what tripe. As I recall from when I bought my house back in 2004, interest rates varied from day to day. What "average" are they even talking about? If they really want to get wanky, show us the standard deviation for the day Obama got his mortgage and see if he is within a single deviation. And then STFU.

Posted by: Martin on July 2, 2008 at 11:59 AM | PERMALINK

Dude, the MSM is mostly Republicans by now, at least at the top. And the bigger an ass-whooping McSame looks to get the more desperate they're going to get.

Posted by: Tim H. on July 2, 2008 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Stop the FICO-boating! :-)

Posted by: Robert on July 2, 2008 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

If he got better rate than average, he is in the same category as, like, about half of the population.

Where did these journalists get their basic college education? Harvah?

Posted by: gregor on July 2, 2008 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

To paraphrase Dick Cheney, they can go FICO themselves.

Posted by: Robert on July 2, 2008 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK

"Seriously, folks, I know it's summer, but has the beltway press corps gone completely batshit insane?"

The short answer is "Yes."

This has been another episode of simple answers to simple questions.

Seriously, Obama's mortgage is 30 basis points lower than some average loan. Well, the Obama's aren't average borrowers. They have good, steady jobs, paying about $500,000 per year. According to reports they don't have much, if any, credit card debt. It is well known that they worked hard and paid off their college loans. They have reputations for being frugal. In short, without any reference to the name Obama their credit scores could easily qualify them for a better than average rate, which would be about 30 basis points better than the "average."

Posted by: Ron Byers on July 2, 2008 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK

He is just another politician doing what politicians do. I think that's the point. He really isn't the second coming of Christ for the political process. So much for perfecting our nation.

Posted by: dee on July 2, 2008 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK

What gregor said. You'd have to know the distribution of contemporaneous new mortgage and refinance rates in Obama's income bracket at the time to see just how good a deal Obama was getting.

Is there something in the water back in DC, or what?

In the words of Tom Lehrer:

If you go to American city
you will find it very pretty
Just two things you must beware:
don't drink the water, and don't breathe the air!

Posted by: low-tech cyclist on July 2, 2008 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

I love you, Kevin, but you do usually bother posting on outrage-of-the-day stuff, if only to post some sort of meta- comment.

Posted by: Doosh on July 2, 2008 at 12:20 PM | PERMALINK

I've seen a few studies that show African Americans getting higher rates than whites, when controlled for credit score, income, neighborhood, etc.

If Obama got a slightly better score, this proves that he disdains our traditional, heartland values of discrimination against blacks.

Posted by: flubber on July 2, 2008 at 12:21 PM | PERMALINK

I heard he also got FREE CHECKING. Uh-huh. And a toaster for opening his account. And did ya hear that when his family stopped by the local branch in person, his daughters got free lollipops! How elitist!

Posted by: random on July 2, 2008 at 12:23 PM | PERMALINK

I also hear they let him choose a picture of kittens for his ATM card, at no charge!

Posted by: random on July 2, 2008 at 12:27 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, I don't know why everyone's getting so upset over the fact that becoming a U.S. senator and having millions in cash start rolling in and getting favorable loan terms (compared to other similarly situated people) on the big-ass million-plus dollar house you decide you need is a bit disturbing.

And don't call me a troll. I'm going to vote for Obama, but I don't expect him to be much better than the rest of the them.

Posted by: kc on July 2, 2008 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK

At a restaurant where I once worked, when the pesticide person came and started fogging various areas the cockroaches began a furious exodus to escape. Obama's impending election and the establishment press corps somehow resembles that experience.

Posted by: Brojo on July 2, 2008 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

If generating outrage was the intention, the writer would have done well to focus on the doubling of Michelle's salary just after his election. That is really quite smelly.

Posted by: gregor on July 2, 2008 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

I'd be grateful if obama just meant what he said on FISA last year - that he would filibuster any bill with retro telecom immunity.

He is just another lying liar - instead of providing any leadership on this issue, he spent time begging for money to retire clinton's debt and meeting with corporate CEOs.

He supports giving federal money to private, religous groups.

He has "catapulted" the lie that Social Security is in crisis.

He is talking positions that suggest he will support a war in Iran.

He has provided absolutely NO leadership in getting out of Iraq. Even though he likes to talk about not voting for the original Iraq war resolution, he is moving to the right and now indicates he will continue the failed policies.

He is a sham as a constitutional scholar and is just another lying liar that panders to the left when he needs money and support, but then actually marches with the right.

Posted by: on July 2, 2008 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

"...has the beltway press corps gone completely batshit insane?"

Where the fsck have YOU been?

Posted by: s9 on July 2, 2008 at 12:39 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, "Saint McCain" as the right-wing commentariat *used* to call him to make fun of his favorable treatment by the press (one thing they were right about) has his own, more serious problems. He admitted to being computer "illiterate", and his own promise-breaking about Primary spending is the subject of a suit by the DNC IIRC. (Kevin, write about this?)

As for Wes Clark: Clark was not "swiftboating" because he didn't accuse McCain of any wrongdoing (faking or exaggerating injuries, etc.), but just saying flying and being shot down/prisoner don't qualify you for President. I don't agree with Wes in principle since some wartime exposure gives a certain gravitas and appreciation of the horrors of war to an otherwise qualified candidate. However, even then McCain seems not to have learned that lesson, considering his interest in long-term Iraq squatting and maybe attacking Iran.

delver23

BTW, the "Remember personal info?" button isn't keeping my data, even though I am rather sure my FF3 settings are normal.

Posted by: Neil B on July 2, 2008 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK

kc, there is zero evidence of any impropriety about Obama's mortgage or that anybody did him a "favor" to get that mortgage. Responsible two-lawyer households with little debt are going to get a better rate than those go-go millionaire types who are leveraged to the teeth and go from boom to bust to boom again over the years. I'm pretty sure my mortgage (5.25% in 2005) was below average as well, and I'm not a Senator.

Posted by: me2i81 on July 2, 2008 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

Not that long ago it was found that the tap water in Washington contained exceptionally high levels of lead. (True.)

Posted by: Leisureguy on July 2, 2008 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

How elitist of Obama to pay off his debts and maintain above average credit! The Bush administration has been showing what it is to be a true American by racking up huge amounts of debt and passing it on to the childrens.

p.s. FISA is quickly becoming the left's version of YALTA. Give it a rest.

Posted by: enozinho on July 2, 2008 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

The DC press corps is showing, yet again!, how astonishingly out of touch they are with the concerns of their customers. Wonder what interest rates they got?

Posted by: reader on July 2, 2008 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

Speaking of insanity (deleting the s): MSNBC, which yesterday showed a hint of spine on the Wes Clark dustup, has this morning been inanely parroting McCain's suggestion that "it was time for the Obama campaign to cut General Clark loose."

"Should the Obama Campaign Cut Clark Loose?!" dutifully intone the morning twits.

Now I've heard that longtime Clinton supporter Clark is a de facto supporter of Obama now. But hasn't it been established that Clark, and Jim Webb for that matter, is speaking for himself and mostly on behalf of his natural constituency: military veterans?

The McCain camp must be desperate to tie Clark to Obama, because they know Clark is in fact speaking on behalf of military veterans dreading a McCain presidency.

Posted by: paxr55 on July 2, 2008 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

I got a 5.375% mortgage in 2005 and didn't have nearly as good credit as Barack Obama. The Washington Post ought to be ashamed of that ill-informed hatchet job.

Posted by: Leo on July 2, 2008 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

Is there something in the water back in DC, or what?

Yes. It's called Scotch.

BTW, you know what the lending industry calls people who pay all their bills and never incur finance charges? Deadbeats. Obama is a deadbeat.

Posted by: Grumpy on July 2, 2008 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

Since when is the constitution a moot point?

Since when have REAL progressives and liberals decided basic rights were negotiable?

Why are mccain's flip-flops "fair-game" and obama's are "get over it"

There are many more - FISA is just the latest example. He is just another corporate shill that used the netroots when he was a nobody, but now panders to the same corporate elite behind the policies he used to speak against.

The fact is - OBAMA IS A LIAR and does not actually act on the many things he talks about.

Posted by: on July 2, 2008 at 12:58 PM | PERMALINK

BTW, don't John and Cindy McCain have something like 10 homes?

http://roadkillrefugee.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/a-google-earth-tour-of-mccains-10-homes/

Posted by: enozinho on July 2, 2008 at 12:58 PM | PERMALINK

"ex-liberal" wrote: I agree with Kevin that this mortgage story is overblown.

"ex-luiberal," you're a dishonest neocon tool here only to post bad-faith bullshit. No one cares what you opinion is, even if you do agree with Kevin.

Posted by: Gregory on July 2, 2008 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

McCains 5thcolumn reveals itself.
Same as it ever was.

Posted by: Northern Observer on July 2, 2008 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

"ex-liberal" wrote: I agree with Kevin that this mortgage story is overblown.

"ex-liberal," you're a dishonest neocon tool whose change of handle can't conceal the reputation you earned as a bad-faith purveyor of right-wing bullshit. No one is fooled by your pretense into mistaking you as an honest commentator, and no one cares what your opinion is, even if you do claim to agree with Kevin.

Posted by: Gregory on July 2, 2008 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin ponders: "has the beltway press corps gone completely batshit insane? ... Is there something in the water back in DC, or what?"

No, there is something in the pockets of the "Beltway press corps", namely the very large paychecks they receive from the giant corporations who employ them to promote their corporate owners' interests by glorifying John McCain and engaging in character assassination against Obama.

This is no more "insane" than the corporate media's goring of Al Gore in 2000 and swiftboating of John Kerry in 2004. It is part of an entirely intentional and carefully crafted propaganda campaign to get corporate America's bought-and-paid-for tool, the career white-collar crook John McCain, close enough to steal the election.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on July 2, 2008 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK

I heard Obama just saved 15% on his car insurance. Call Woodward and Bernstein!

Posted by: SP on July 2, 2008 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK

McCain doesn't have to worry about this one since I assume Cindy just paid for all of their ten houses in cash.

Posted by: Virginia on July 2, 2008 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

Obama's rate was compared with other very large mortgages. The homeowners taking huge mortgages were all high-income people. So, the story is that Obama got a slightly better rate than the average of other high-income borrowers.

That's right, he saved a HUGE 1/3rd of 1 percent compared to similar loans at the same time. The Washington Post estimated that he saved at least $300 a month on his mortgage. Because, after all, there's no possible reason other than political corruption that the bank would have given a discount of 0.3 percent on a loan to two rich lawyers with a good credit history.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on July 2, 2008 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK

Leo wrote: "The Washington Post ought to be ashamed of that ill-informed hatchet job."

The article is not "ill-informed". The Post writers and editors knew exactly what they were doing: producing a bit of character assassination against Obama, part of the corporate-owned media's broader onslaught of character assassination against Obama, in coordination with the McCain campaign, the RNC and the right-wing propaganda machine, to get McCain close enough to steal the election.

There was nothing unusual, let alone inappropriate or wrong, about the interest rate that Obama got. And Al Gore never said that he "invented the Internet". And the "Swift Boat Veterans For Truth" were blatant liars in the pay of the Republican Party.

So what? Do you think the corporate-owned media care about any of that? Let alone that they have any "shame" about it? They are not "ashamed" of knowingly helping the CheneyBush administration lead the USA into a war of unprovoked aggression based on lies -- do you imagine they have the capacity to be "ashamed" about printing scurrilous, fake, phony attacks on Obama to help put Their Man McCain in the White House?

Wake up, folks. We are not in for months of "insanity" from the media. We are in for months of a full-press, corporate-funded campaign of character assassination against Obama.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on July 2, 2008 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

The fact the press corps goes after Obama for his mortgage terms and his disavowal of public campaign funding rather than his turn about on the FISA bill informs us what their agenda is.

Posted by: Brojo on July 2, 2008 at 1:35 PM | PERMALINK

I'm surprised Obama only got 5.625%. I got 5.75% on a 30-year fixed in late 2004 with 10% down on a house just under $200,000, seems to me Obama didn't get much of a deal at all.

Posted by: tom.a on July 2, 2008 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK

This sort of story - suggesting some wrongdoing related to real estate transactions, without ever actually saying that something illegal or unethical has taken place - is a WaPo specialty. They did the same thing to John Edwards early in the primary season. The original hatchetman has moved on to become an editor for the Moonie Times, hasn't he? I guess today's writer is the second-string character assassin.

Posted by: Jersey Tomato on July 2, 2008 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

We're seeing the convergence of several factors: 1) The press doesn't like Democrats, 2) the press' honeymoon (such as it was) with Obama is over, 3) the press wants a horserace, and since Obama's the frontrunner, they want to take him down a peg, and 4) the press LOVES McCain and happily tries to help him. It's all disgusting but also totally predictable.

Posted by: beckya57 on July 2, 2008 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

This was a great loan and even a perfect score would not get you this kind of deal. He got a super jumbo loan, without originating pts or other costs at 5.65%. We bought our house at the same time, with a score well over 750, and it was a conventional 30 year loan, not a super jumbo. The rates at that time for saps like me were 6.125%.. He got a deal... Don't know why

Posted by: ashiv on July 2, 2008 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

So I went to teh googles and looked up the weekly averages for 30 year fixed mortgage rates for 2005.

They vary from 5.53 to 6.37%. It doesn't look like the Obama's got much in the way of a sweatheart deal.

And ashiv - a score of 750 isn't that good. That's why you got nailed.

Posted by: optical weenie on July 2, 2008 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK

Weenie,
would you care to borrow my, keyboard?

Posted by: thersites on July 2, 2008 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

No, yours is too polite.

Posted by: optical weenie on July 2, 2008 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

Obama's good buddy Antoin (Tony) Rezko was a part of that mortgage deal.

Now just because there is no investigation (that I know of) or no evidence of a quid pro quo, it is simply unbelievable that a corrupt influence peddler like Rezko provided a sweetheart land deal for the Obamas out of motives other than obtaining a marker from Obama to cash in at some time or other.

Posted by: Luther on July 2, 2008 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

I've long wondered, to what extent the MSM commentariat really want to say the sort of crap they do, and to what extent they feel pressured by their management (which is more sympathetic to the Republican/Aristocracy machine than they are)? After all, it isn't as easy to be a good journalist when your paycheck depends on not being one.
Anyone know?

Posted by: Neil B on July 2, 2008 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

BTW I would love to have been "Nailed" with a 6.125% rate.

So eff off, all of youse.

Posted by: thersites the polite on July 2, 2008 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

His FICO must suck. I got a better rate in 98, and a much better rate on the refinance four years later.

Posted by: Yancey Ward on July 2, 2008 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

beckya57,

No need to be too fancy here. We've got the best press money can buy. That's all it is.

Their job, between now and the election, is to find something, anything on Obama that will stick and then fill the airwaves with it 24x7.

Posted by: Tripp on July 2, 2008 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

Anyone know?

I know. They're shills.

Posted by: Tripp on July 2, 2008 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK

No, he got a deal similar to that any lender who is at least a very good credit risk would get.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/07/most-irresponsible-piece-of-journalism.html

Posted by: DJ on July 2, 2008 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK

Wait til the intrepid media find out about the toaster the Obama's also got after closing on the house!

Posted by: bdbd on July 2, 2008 at 4:57 PM | PERMALINK

A toaster? That's the last straw. If it was a four-slice toaster I'm voting for that war hero guy.

Posted by: thersites on July 2, 2008 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK

"Is there something in the water back in DC, or what?"

At least they have water back there! How you doin'?

Posted by: Hedley on July 2, 2008 at 5:47 PM | PERMALINK

Obama's rate was compared with other very large mortgages. The homeowners taking huge mortgages were all high-income people. So, the story is that Obama got a slightly better rate than the average of other high-income borrowers.
Posted by: David

I know no one cares what your opinion is, but I really should point out that this isn't a true or verifiable statement from the data given. The story admits:

1) "Jumbo loans are for amounts up to $650,000, but the Obamas' $1.32 million loan was so large that few comparables are available."

2) "'A person's occupation and salary are two factors; I would expect those are two things we would take into consideration,' said Northern Trust Vice President John O'Connell. 'That would apply to anyone seeking to get a mortgage at Northern Trust.' He added that the rates offered to Obama were 'consistent with internal Northern Trust rates at that time.'"

Posted by: Gonads on July 2, 2008 at 6:17 PM | PERMALINK

Obama's good buddy Antoin (Tony) Rezko was a part of that mortgage deal.

You mean Karl Rove and Dennis Hastert's buddy Tony Rezko?

You guys really, really don't want to play the Rezko card, because there is way more potential for blowback onto the Republicans than you seem to realize. Why do you think McCain hasn't been trumpeting the Rezko thing? He knows it's far more damaging to the Republicans than it would be to Obama, so they're trying to keep it on the level of rumor and gossip.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on July 2, 2008 at 7:06 PM | PERMALINK

Another thing about this: Obama went into the bank with the offering from another bank to see if they could beat it. In other words, he was a smart consumer who shopped around and didn't take the first mortgage offer. One thing he had going for him was his book contract and his wife's promotion - so he also had some assets he could wave under the loan officer's nose as inducement for a better loan rate. His loan was 30 basis points above AVERAGE - not 30 basis points above what anybody else in Chicago could have received. Quite the nonstory.

Posted by: BC on July 2, 2008 at 7:14 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks for the heads up 'Optical Weenie'.. I said we have a score over 750. Okay ,I'll bite it was 820... We were putting a down payment of over $250,000 and our family income is $380,000.00 and we were getting a loan of $400,000. You guys can drink the cool aid and say it was not a good deal for the Obama's , but he got preferential treatment like Conrad and Dodd. Ofcourse the best deal was the landpart that Rezko paid for.. We shall soon find out more details.

Posted by: ashiv on July 2, 2008 at 7:20 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe West Point has changed, but there used to be a style of responding to a question in class--called "buffaloing", I think--where a cadet would talk for twenty minutes and say nothing.

Eisenhower was famous for doing this with the press as a general and President. Those in the know would be laughing quietly while the press would be trying to unravel Ike's thread.

(It's like the time a sportswriter went to ask Casey Stengal about his lineup. When he got back, the scribes in the box asked who was pitching, and the guy said he wasn't sure, but it might be Christy Mathewson.)

It's not like Bob Schieffer is looking for anything more than some "Gotcha!" time on national tv.

Posted by: Steve Paradis on July 2, 2008 at 9:04 PM | PERMALINK

ashiv: We were putting a down payment of over $250,000 and our family income is $380,000.00 and we were getting a loan of $400,000.

I'm having trouble making my damn heart stop bleeding. I've run out of tissues to wipe my sobbing eyes. It's spelled Kool-aid, with a
K and if you imagine that Optical Weenie is an Obama Kool-aid drinker, you've probably not been to this neighborhood before.

Posted by: thersites the cranky prole on July 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM | PERMALINK

Must use close tags. Preview is my friend.

Posted by: thersites the cranky illiterate on July 2, 2008 at 10:11 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks for the heads up 'Optical Weenie'.. I said we have a score over 750. Okay ,I'll bite it was 820... We were putting a down payment of over $250,000 and our family income is $380,000.00 and we were getting a loan of $400,000. You guys can drink the cool aid and say it was not a good deal for the Obama's , but he got preferential treatment like Conrad and Dodd.
Posted by: ashiv

Are you sure you want to advertise that you couldn't get a rate below 6% with a 40% down payment, a FICA score of 820, and income > 300k/yr??? ... Because all that tells me is that you are a financial dunce.

Posted by: Gonads on July 2, 2008 at 10:25 PM | PERMALINK

The real scandal, as several other commenters have noted, is the concerted effort by the Washington Media to install John McCain as president. I'm 56 and have been following politics since I was a kid. I have NEVER seen a press corps more in the tank for any candidate in my lifetime. These MSM idiots are practically part of the McCain campaign.

Posted by: Joseph on July 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM | PERMALINK

Has anyone bothered to check to see what mortgage rates John and Cindy McInsane got for their dozen or so properties? Has anyone asked to see their FICO scores? We know that the McInsane's have run up substantial credit card debt, and has failed to pay off some other debts. It's a fair question to ask how those miscues impacted the McInsane's credit.

If they have average to poor credit, and recieved below market value mortgage rates, where's the outrage?

[crickets chirping]

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on July 3, 2008 at 8:31 AM | PERMALINK

It's called grasping at straws. If the media don't find some issue to pontificate on they might have to report the real news.

Posted by: Milt on July 3, 2008 at 9:52 AM | PERMALINK

A Senator is not allowed to take anything of value exceeding $50. This certainly exceeded that, as did his Tony Rezko side yard subsidy. So he violated the Senate Ethics Act. Change!

Posted by: fromIllinois on July 3, 2008 at 11:29 AM | PERMALINK

@ Trolls: Yes, let's talk about senatorial corruption. Let's talk about McCain's lobbyist mistress, and the Keating Five, and the sweet heart land deals he secured for his buddies.

The msm and their bosses deserve to be lined up against the wall and shot, followed up with a wooden stake to the heart to make sure they're really dead.

Posted by: anon on July 4, 2008 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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