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Tilting at Windmills

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July 15, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

QUOTE OF THE DAY....From John McCain spokesman Taylor Griffin, distancing the campaign from remarks about Social Security made by the almost comically gaffe-prone Carly Fiorina:

"The lesson of history is that too many specifics at this point polarize the debate, that is the argument Carly was trying to make."

Uh huh. Mark Kleiman translates: "If we told the retirees how completely we plan to shaft them, they might not vote for us."

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How exactly did Fiorina land this gig as a major McCain spokesperson? Isn't her only claim to fame destroying HP and taking a huge severance package with her after the wreckage? And how is it that Obama is not creaming this pack of losers by 15 points or more?

Posted by: br on July 15, 2008 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

Fiorina is a loose cannon. And she couldn't explain her way out of a bag.

Did anyone hear her stumble and trip around the question re: her comments that men have better access to viagra than women have access to birth control, on Morning Edition last week?

Why the hell would someone tiptoe around having said that (because, heck, it is certainly true and yes it is a problem so that is why it needs addressing) and try to pretend they hadn't actually said it?

I came away from that thinking the woman is just batshit. No, maybe she's just a femme-bot.

Oh, and then she said some BS about how McCain doesn't flip-flop at all...

Posted by: sara on July 15, 2008 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

My friends, I hate old people.

Posted by: John McCain on July 15, 2008 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

And today in New Mexico McCain trotted out the line "flip floppers all over the world" in an attempt to attack Obama.

Then he goes on to talk about the value of unity of command and then says we need a War Czar for Iraq and one for Afghanistan. Yep, McCain is big on that flip flopping thing.

Posted by: idle crank on July 15, 2008 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

My HP stock has done well ever since they gave Carly the boot. What ever they paid her to go away, it was well worth it.

Posted by: fafner1 on July 15, 2008 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

Every time I would see Carly on some talk show shilling for McCain and hear the host introduce her as "former CEO of Hewlett Packard" I would jump up and down and scream for them to explain why she's the former CEO. And it never happened.

My family is now blocking all the cable channels that have politically-oriented talk shows. We're watching Animal Planet and Weather Channel.

And I'm hoping she does for McCain, Inc., exactly what she did to HP.

Posted by: Lifelong Dem on July 15, 2008 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

Slightly off topic, but isn't Fiorina on McCain's short list of running mates? And if she's saying things like this, doesn't that make her the ideal running mate?

Posted by: Dave Brown on July 15, 2008 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

How exactly did Fiorina land this gig as a major McCain spokesperson? Isn't her only claim to fame destroying HP and taking a huge severance package with her after the wreckage?

Why, yes. Yes, it is.

So she's perfect to represent the Republican nominee.

Posted by: Gregory on July 15, 2008 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK

Carly may be on the shortlist, but somebody needs to tell here there are no golden parachutes when you get fired from a government job.

Posted by: Cal Gal on July 15, 2008 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

Cal Gal, but what about all the lobbying and think-tank jobs now occupied by spectacular Bushco failures?

I was telling a political friend of mine last night that this is why I like to read mysteries sometimes. Nowadays I just crave a good morality tale in which justice prevails and the bad guys get theirs. My rich fantasy life...

Posted by: shortstop on July 15, 2008 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

And how is it that Obama is not creaming this pack of losers by 15 points or more? Posted by: br on July 15, 2008 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK1)

That's easy...

1) corporate controlled media
2) sheeple
3) intellectual apathy
4) poor attention span
5) American Idol
6) fear of (everything)

Posted by: e henry thripshaw on July 15, 2008 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

Shortstop, I recommend the work of Carl Hiaasen. The bad guys get theirs, often gruesomely. The worst/best of it is, I grew up in Florida, it's only kinda-sorta fiction.

"Native Tongue" may be the best, or you can work your way through from the beginning.

Posted by: dr2chase on July 15, 2008 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: shortstop on July 15, 2008 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

Then he goes on to talk about the value of unity of command and then says we need a War Czar for Iraq and one for Afghanistan.

You know, back in WWII we had a War Czar for Germany and Japan. I believe he was called the Commander-in-Chief....

Posted by: Stefan on July 15, 2008 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

Then he goes on to talk about the value of unity of command and then says we need a War Czar for Iraq and one for Afghanistan.

Back in 1917 the Russians had a Czar and look how well that turned out. And didn't we have an Energy Czar somewhere along the line? And a (War on) Drugs Czar? And an Iraq War Czar? And if Afghanistan gets a Czar won't the Iranians get jealous and want one too!

Posted by: tomeck on July 15, 2008 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK

So tomeck, does this mean the world suffers from Czar envy?

Posted by: optical weenie on July 15, 2008 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINK

Any General Hospital fan knows that Carly is out of control and.....What?.....Oh.....Never mind.

Posted by: CJColucci on July 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM | PERMALINK

Check out the full quote ... I like the last part about how a Pres. McCain, on his own, will develop a "bipartisan solution to Social Security" if Congress won't. Maybe he got ahold of that magic wand that Bush has been wishing he had?

Posted by: BNB on July 15, 2008 at 5:14 PM | PERMALINK

Weenie,
Calm down. Sometimes a czar is just a czar.

Posted by: thersites on July 15, 2008 at 5:16 PM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: optical weenie on July 15, 2008 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK

Obama seems to be going down the same road as McCain, with lip service to society security and a wink to the privatization enthusiasts.

This is 99.99% your overactive imagination, applied to some fairly innocuous statements by Obama.

Obama ain't perfect, but he's far, far better than McCain, on this issue as well as many others. After all, McCain is the one openly calling Social Security a disgrace.

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