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July 25, 2008
By: Kevin Drum

VIRAL SMEARS....The world obviously moves too fast for me: today, Gregory Stroud emails to tell me that the "TF Wasatch" rumor has been debunked. The what? Who/what is TF Wasatch?

Turns out some officer from Task Force Wasatch in Afghanistan started up a viral email claiming that Barack Obama blew off the troops to hobnob with the brass when he visited a couple of days ago. I had no idea. But Greg has been following the whole thing at his place, and today the Daily News formally debunked it, quoting official Army sources. Apparently there's a Utah Army National Guard intelligence officer in a linguist unit at Bagram Airfield who's in big trouble now.

So: a brand new Obama smear went through the entire cycle of getting started, going viral, and being unequivocally laid to rest before I even heard about it. Welcome to the internet age.

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If this guy is really an officer, his offence is much more heinous than if it were committed by an enlisted man. A Bad Conduct Discharge is the least punishment that he should receive!

Posted by: Captain Dan on July 25, 2008 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

Apparently Mark Twain underestimated the speed of a lie. Either that or he's a lying, Marxist, Muslim-loving asshole. Pass it on.

Posted by: enozinho on July 25, 2008 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

Uh, it was a Marine who called himself a "soldier" and who couldn't spell "commander-in-chief" (he had it as "commander-and-cheif").

Desperate, stupid, and sad.
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Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on July 25, 2008 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

I was shocked the other day when my own adult son told me that Barack Obama was a Muslim. I asked how he knew and he told me he had received an email.

If you want to know why the vote is still close--there you have it. Republicans can't do anything straight up but they are masters at the viral email campaign.

Never forget Rove and McCain's black baby back in 2000. They don't call current crop of Republican Lee Atwater wannabes a bunch of rat fuckers for nothing.

Posted by: Ron Byers on July 25, 2008 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

My friends, that intelligence officer is a real American hero. I'm happy to have him, and hundreds of Americans just like him, supporting my candidacy.

Posted by: John McCain on July 25, 2008 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

Snopes already has an entire webpage of the lies put forth about Obama.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp

Posted by: RobertSeattle on July 25, 2008 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

I was forwarded a very similar letter in a e-mail from a friend yesterday, which allegedly was written by an "Army Captain" and a father of six who is serving in Afghanistan, and who allegedly witnessed Obama at Camp Bagram blowing off the troops. As a result, I had a lengthy e-mail exchange with her. She believed it at once. I e-mailed her back saying I thought it was strange, as I saw a clip on ABC the night before of Obama at Camp Bagram in Afghanistan mingling among and shaking hands with troops.
She responded back that the media traveling with Obama is only going to say positive things and that we should believe this letter as it was written from a person there.
I reminded her today to always take things with a grain of salt....especially if it comes from the internet.
But, the harm has been done, as many who may have received this false email smear, probably believed it and will most likely never know they were taken in. This country is far worse shape than I thought....

Posted by: John on July 25, 2008 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

Obama is "The One" - he's just be the 44th.

Posted by: RobertSeattle on July 25, 2008 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

I am sure that is just an "unfounded rumor" too.

Yes, it is.

Pentagon tells Obama not to visit U.S. troops at German base because it would be too political
By Lynn Sweet on July 25, 2008 4:54 AM | Permalink | Comments (0)

BERLIN--A scheduled visit by presumptive Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) with U.S. troops Friday at a military base in Rammstein, Germany was cancelled because the Pentagon told the campaign it would look too political.
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Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on July 25, 2008 at 12:55 PM | PERMALINK

Well, Kevin, to be fair - it was on the order of 48-72 hours, so I guess it's forgivable.

Um Orwell, haven't you got some elephant to kill somewhere?
DOD didn't specify campaign cameras, they said "campaign staff", the only kind Sen. Obama had with him at that point. It was gracious of them to inform him before he showed up at the front gates of the base.

Posted by: kenga on July 25, 2008 at 12:56 PM | PERMALINK

Hey Orwell, it was the Army that banned Obama from visiting the military hospital because he was on a political trip (i.e. paid for by the campaign committee). They said he was welcome to come back when he is traveling on a ticket paid for by the U.S. Senate. Why do you guys hate the truth? . . . never mind, I already know why.

Posted by: fafner1 on July 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM | PERMALINK

I saw a clip on ABC the night before of Obama at Camp Bagram in Afghanistan mingling among and shaking hands with troops.
She responded back that the media traveling with Obama is only going to say positive things and that we should believe this letter as it was written from a person there.

Uh, did you tell her that the Army shot all that footage?

Watch her stupid head explode.
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Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on July 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM | PERMALINK

And then some asshole stole Obama's prayer from the Wailing Wall.

Was that you, "orwell"? This piece of shit seems to think like you.
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Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on July 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

Rendition all Republicans to the Afghan Front.

Posted by: Brojo on July 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

So: a brand new Obama smear went through the entire cycle of getting started, going viral, and being unequivocally laid to rest before I even heard about it. Welcome to the internet age.

This is nothing new. Think about all the people you know in meatspace who've never heard of "All your base are belong to us." And realize that everyone you know online had had their fill of AYB seven or eight years ago.

Posted by: low-tech cyclist on July 25, 2008 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

Apparently there's a Utah Army National Guard intelligence officer in a linguist unit at Bagram Airfield who's in big trouble now.

Yeah, right. I'll believe he gets in trouble when I see it. More likely, he'll be visiting the White House to receive a special commendation for helping the GOP election effort.

Posted by: Equal Opportunity Cynic on July 25, 2008 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

John, here's my reply to a mass-forwarding of that exact same email - anyone rebutting that sort of thing, make sure you use Reply to All:
And, now that the Pentagon has chimed in, what do you know.
It was bullshit. I don't understand - there's got to be some things of substance, that are true, that can be used to argue against Senator Obama. But 90% of what's out there can be charitably described as dishonest.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/07/24/2008-07-24_army_officials_refute_claim_of_barack_ob.html

Seriously - what possible good can come from starting or spreading lies?
Obviously people who accept statements in good faith, and pass them along in good faith aren't the problem
- but where does this come from?
And if this guy isn't smart enough to realize this can bite him in the ass, why the hell is he responsible for the lives and well-being of other service personnel? Is he trying to get sent home early via disciplinary procedure or court-martial?
He just shot himself in the foot, so to speak. Only question now is if it was on purpose.

Posted by: kenga on July 25, 2008 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

John

I heard the Army was responsible for the footage at Bagram. The McCain camp was bitching because they showed Obama with too many enlisted troops. The pictures were just too good.

Posted by: Ron Byers on July 25, 2008 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

What is it about conservatives that they are so quick to believe anything they read or hear regardless of the source or degree of foolishness? The circle of friends I have are admittedly left leaning. We all have as a first instinct skepticism, the desire to dig deeper, hear more, want proof, to question power and authority and accepted dogma. I posit that is true for most on the left. Seemingly opposite qualities are found on the right. Why is that? What leads a person to read an e-mail from someone they don't know and with a straight face and sincere belief relay to you "Did you know Obama has a harem of 6 wives and beats them all daily to keep his arms loose for playing basketball?" I work with people that get these e-mails and are politically conservative. They believe every one, every word, and race to forward them to everyone they know. What the hell?

Posted by: steve duncan on July 25, 2008 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK

enozinho: Apparently Mark Twain underestimated the speed of a lie. Either that or he's a lying, Marxist, Muslim-loving asshole. Pass it on.

Clearly the reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated.

Posted by: Model 62 on July 25, 2008 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

I consider myself fortunate that my viral smear came up negative.

The Orwell smear, on the other hand, is invariably negative. The real Mr. Blair, wherever he is, is displeased.

Posted by: thersites on July 25, 2008 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

unequivocally laid to rest...

Yes, but did you know that China is drilling near Cuba off the coast of FL??

Posted by: ckelly on July 25, 2008 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

- witnessed Obama at Camp Bagram blowing off the troops.

What, Obama is gay?

Posted by: optical weenie on July 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

Steve Duncan: "They believe every one, every word, and race to forward them to everyone they know. What the hell?"

Steve, bud, that's the whole point! Republicans are sheep. There have been studies that show that the people who buy that crap are the type who require a father figure to tell them what to do. Hence their relgiosity, etc. They're always searching for a brain. (Unfortunately, being Republicans, they never find one.)

Posted by: Everyman on July 25, 2008 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

I just heard that Obama is gay.

Posted by: thersites on July 25, 2008 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

steve duncan wrote: "What is it about conservatives that they are so quick to believe anything they read or hear regardless of the source or degree of foolishness?"

They are weak-minded, ignorant, neo-brownshirt mental slaves. They don't know or care whether the talking points spoon-fed to them by Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and the rest of the right-wing corporate propaganda machine are "true" or not. They only know that as "conservatives" they must obediently believe what they are told, and do as they are told, by their masters.

There is a reason why Rush Limbaugh's fans call themselves "dittoheads". They are proud of their mental slavery. You can see it in the comments that they post on this site -- they are so impressed with their own ability to regurgitate, verbatim, the latest scripted talking points.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on July 25, 2008 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

Steve Duncan: "What is it about conservatives that they are so quick to believe anything they read or hear regardless of the source or degree of foolishness?"

Only if it is about liberals. An unwillingness to believe anything positive about liberal figures, but to believe anything negative about them is prejudice rooted in hatred. I know some conservatives who seem reasonable, but when it comes to the subject of Barack Obama believe anything mean or ugly. Yet they can't believe anything negative about John McCain, because he is a hero in their eyes.

There's also a large number of hawks in our society. They hate Obama because he is against the war. They see this as unpatriotic. They want us to win a war against Iraq. Which makes absolutely no sense.

Posted by: coldhotel on July 25, 2008 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

Republicans have scooped together a new version of the "Heirarchy of Needs." Everything is now security. The sub-group they belong to defines everything: their job, race, religion, self actualization. They really are one dimensional. The kind of people who would lie about a good and decent man like Obama to win approval from their tribe. That approval is their truth. The needs of the larger world and nation no longer concern them. Chilling. They do not cqre about the brand of fiction as it drives reality. It is endorsed by their God interpreters. It gives them post Bob Jones University jobs. In other words, Republicans encourage people to return to three years of age--adults are in charge, after all. A cult. Let's hope it shrinks away.

Posted by: Sparko on July 25, 2008 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

Uh Oh... This can't be good for news for the small penis crowd. Looks like Obama is a hit wiz z white wimen.

I worked out with Obama!

Posted by: enozinho on July 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

Ahh, the REAL news right now is the sham impeachment hearings orchestrated by Passive Pelosi(TM), with Conyers taking his marching orders.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on July 25, 2008 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

Good one there enozinho. He pumped with a woman and he didn't even work up a sweat!

So blowing soldiers and pumping with wimmen, guess he's bi?

Posted by: optical weenie on July 25, 2008 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

The shameless yutzes who've been pushing this crap not only don't accept any debunking (it's all just "spin") but have invented several more similar stories and emails (viz. Orwell's above). They have no shame. As one commenter put it, "Even if it is not true, what is important is that I wouldn't be surprised if it happened."

Posted by: R. Porrofatto on July 25, 2008 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

I was under the impression that women enjoyed working out with gay men at the gym.

Posted by: thersites on July 25, 2008 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

This discrete incident illustrates how the Republicans plan to win. Mix McCarthyism with the Internet, simmer, and repeat. McCain has already tipped his own hand here, virtually accusing Obama of treason. Saint John will receive only minor criticism in the media for this. He's a saint, after all, who had been tortured.

The Swift-boat attacks in 2004 vworked in the absence of concerted responses from Democratic surrogates. The same thing is happening today. If you don't see Biden, Clark, Clinton and others pushing back, it shows how Democrats have yet to learn the lessons of 2004. Nothing has changed. We're fighting ruthless thugs who have already neutered the media. Liberal blogs can't do it. And if Obama doesn't take charge here, he'll never be president.

Posted by: walt on July 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

But, the harm has been done, as many who may have received this false email smear, probably believed it and will most likely never know they were taken in. This country is far worse s hape than I thought.... Posted by: John

John,

What are the chances that this friend would have voted for a Democrat in the first place, and a negro one at that?

I had to slap down my own mother on Obama-is-a-Muslim nonsense (the e-mail she was citing was the one about Keith Ellison of Minnesota). She's a Rethug and, in spite of living in Arizona, will probably vote for no one not liking McCain, the same thing she did in 2004 and 2000 not liking Bush. The only Dem she likes is Napolitano. I think Obama would do well by picking her as his running mate. That would carry Arizona for him (she's the most popular politician in the state) and help pave the way for the first woman president in eight years.

Posted by: Jeff II on July 25, 2008 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

John

Seriously, you need to lose that friend. If she continues to repeat stuff like that, you need to tell her that she's too goddamn stupid to deserve your friendship and cut her loose.

And no, I'm not kidding. People like your friend are a danger to the civilized world.

Posted by: Danno on July 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry... I took down the link after seeing it relinked as part of an evolving smear... I wanted to be part of the debunking, but there is a fine line between debunking and spreading...

Posted by: Greg Stroud on July 25, 2008 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

Danno: ...you need to lose that friend...

Yes by all means we must detach ourselves from all whom we deem stupider than ourselves. The world will seem like a better place.
Nobody will think we're a bunch of elitists or anything.

Posted by: thersites on July 25, 2008 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

"Plain and simple." Describes Fat White Guy to a tee. Especially the "simple" part. I love it!

Posted by: DJ on July 25, 2008 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

They think we're elitists anyway.

These people ARE stupid. They don't believe in reality. You cannot discuss or argue with them, since they choose to believe lies. And no matter how much you try to reason to appeal to them, they will not listen.

Your attitude is the moderate/liberal's fatal flaw. It's the reason liberalism has so much trouble taking hold in this country. These people need to be mocked, not coddled.

But what do I know. I live in Hollywierd.

Posted by: danno on July 25, 2008 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

I heard Fat White Guy is gay.

Posted by: Barack Obama on July 25, 2008 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK

All you bozo lefties claiming BHO was told not come by the Pentagon because it was ...

Should I post the link again for dumbass?
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Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on July 25, 2008 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

It's gotten to the point that if Snopes puts up an article about a political email forward, you can take it to the bank that it's just more right-wing BS. The volume of this stuff out there is amazing (and is during every election season).

When you see the headline of the form "Did do ?", dollars to donuts it'll be false. It's amazing to me that there are people out there who still fall for these Nigerian scams. I mean, RNC email.

Posted by: DH Walker on July 25, 2008 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

See? The ever odious Fat White Guy (above) makes my point. The email crap was debunked so now this. Shameless. Just like the "soldiers refuse to sit with Kerry" story. They make it up as they go along out of sheer juvenile hatred.

Posted by: R. Porrofatto on July 25, 2008 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK

Many conservatives see everything in terms of black and white. No nuance or complexity for them, thank you. Once they decide McCain is good (he was shot down after all) and Obama is bad they are only too happy to uncritically accept any information, no matter how improbable, that confirms their preconceived prejudices. For an example of this, read Orwell’s posts.

Posted by: fafner1 on July 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

What IS it with FWG ending all of his posts with "I love it"? Is he shilling for McDonald's? Is it a Rain-Man "I'm a very good driver" kind of thing? Is he trying to affect a bemused stance as a sort of incantation that will magically turn him into Rush Limbaugh? What?

Posted by: DH Walker on July 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

The snopes database on Obama smears is telling. there's 40 or so of them and nearly everyone is false, false, false, misleading, etc. There's maybe 18 or so McCain entries and they're mostly true, true, misleading, uncertain, true, etc.

Posted by: ChrisS on July 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

DH Walker wrote: "What IS it with FWG ending all of his posts with 'I love it'?"

He's a troll. His only purpose in posting comments here is to impress himself with his ability to be an asshole and annoy people with BS, and he figures that the repetitive "I love it" shtick will be annoying.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on July 25, 2008 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

ChrisS

It is not surprising that nearly all the rumors about Obama are false or misleading. We are dealing with the Republican slime machine after all. They have very little connection with the truth.

Here is a rumor for you to consider. Berry Obomber's high school basket ball team won its State Championship his senior year. Yep, his basketball nick name was Berry Obomber because he could really hit the outside shot.

Posted by: Ron Byers on July 25, 2008 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

fafner1 wrote: "Many conservatives see everything in terms of black and white."

The pseudo-ideology of most so-called "conservatives" has no actual content other than hatred of "liberals", much as the pseudo-ideology of 1930s German brownshirts had no actual content other than hatred of "jews".

Posted by: SecularAnimist on July 25, 2008 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

Steve Duncan:

For a lot of conservatives, their beliefs are based on a tremendous quantity of information. The fact that there's no real quality to any of it is irrelevant. Everything they bring up is debunked, but that doesn't matter since they can always bring up more stuff. And when you debunk that, they bring up more. And on it goes.

I have a friend who works at the Patent and Trade office in DC, and she tells me about the cranks they get who are always trying to patent perpetual motion machines. Each design has some flaw, of course, but that's just that approach that failed, you see. They never take a step back and realize, gee, maybe the entire premise is BS.

Wingers have a great tendency to do the same thing. They hear "facts" that support some belief, and even if those "facts" are later debunked, the support has already been delivered. This is why those email forwards work so well on them.

These are people who look at a huge pile of bullshit, and are impressed with how huge it is, not with the fact that, you know, it's bullshit. It's all about the quantity. I mean, these people have hundreds, thousands, maybe millions of untrue things that their beliefs are based on! Those are some huge numbers. That's why they're so damned convinced.

Posted by: DH Walker on July 25, 2008 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

Apparently there's a Utah Army National Guard intelligence officer in a linguist unit at Bagram Airfield who's in big trouble now.

The organs of the State, even the Defense Forces, exist to serve the needs of the Party, because of the Party's unique role as vanguard of the Revolution.

All correctly oriented cadres know that.

It's now all deniable. They'll rip the NG officer a new one, issue a denial, but the damage is done.

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on July 25, 2008 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

Oops! Here's a new link for dumbass.

Looks like McCain was in the same situation in April.
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Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on July 25, 2008 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK

"What is it about conservatives that they are so quick to believe anything they read or hear regardless of the source or degree of foolishness?"

These people believe in the rapture, for christ's sake. If you believe that then anything else in comparison seems like common sense.

Posted by: David H. on July 25, 2008 at 5:10 PM | PERMALINK

Touche, FWG.

Posted by: optical weenie on July 25, 2008 at 5:33 PM | PERMALINK

Update at 12:40 p.m. ET. USA TODAY's Tom Vanden Brook reports that the Pentagon says it had made arrangements it thought would be appropriate:

Geoff Morrell, Pentagon press secretary, said the military had arranged for Obama to visit Landstuhl Army Regional Medical Center as a U.S. senator but not as a presidential candidate. That's because Pentagon policy prohibits campaigning at military sites. The ground rules should be familiar to Obama since they governed a recent visit he made to Walter Reed Army Medical Center, Morrell said.

The Pentagon arranged for Obama to visit Landstuhl and for his campaign staff and traveling press corps to be accommodated at a nearby airport, Morrell said.

"The Obama campaign was advised that Sen. Obama would be most welcome to visit Landstuhl or any other military hospital in his official capacity as a United States senator," Morrell said. "But his campaign staff would not be."

Last week, the Pentagon denied a request by Cindy McCain, Sen. John Mcain's wife, to visit the hospital ship USS Comfort because it seemed like a campaign event, Morrell said.

Posted by: on July 25, 2008 at 5:34 PM | PERMALINK

FWG:

Nah, it's just funny to see you parade your insecurities for all of us to see. You'll never be Rush Limbaugh, no matter how hard you try. Good luck with it, though. :)

Posted by: DH Walker on July 25, 2008 at 10:50 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, it appeared on the thread below, on the first and 14th pages, with my comments there also e.g.:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27671&page=14&cp=1#hec368992
So, what was up with this guy? Just "soldiering" for the Repubs, to hell with reality as so many of them believe?

Posted by: ♪ ♪ ♪ on July 26, 2008 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

Don't forget the Dunning-Kruger effect. Dunning & Kruger showed people were more likely to have very strongly held beliefs when they largely knew nothing about an issue than if they were more knowledgeable. This applies to a lot of conservatives.

Posted by: fafner1 on July 26, 2008 at 9:16 PM | PERMALINK
I love it! Fat White Guy on July 25, 2008 at 5:24 PM
That is sooo gay, we all love it. Posted by: Gorgeous George on July 27, 2008 at 5:50 PM | PERMALINK

The sad fact of the matter is that if people don't like someone, they will usually believe, and pass on, any negative thing they hear about them without ever questioning it. This can be seen everywhere from high school to racism to war and politics.

Posted by: Pliso on July 28, 2008 at 12:13 AM | PERMALINK

"What is it about conservatives that they are so quick to believe anything they read or hear regardless of the source or degree of foolishness? The circle of friends I have are admittedly left leaning. We all have as a first instinct skepticism, the desire to dig deeper, hear more, want proof, to question power and authority and accepted dogma."


How do you and your friends feel about second hand smoke? I once saw an expose on the study that people always point to about the harmful effects. It showed that this study isn't as accurate as many would like to believe. . . yet none of the anti smokers in the world ever looked at it critically. They just accepted that second hand smoke is bad for you because they hate it.

Nobody is innocent of this. I think everyone has believed something uncritically at one point or another because it fit into their viewpoints.

Posted by: Plisko on July 28, 2008 at 12:27 AM | PERMALINK

They just accepted that second hand smoke is bad for you because they hate it.

I hate secondhand smoke because it triggers my asthma, which to me suggests that it might be, y'know, bad for me.

When California banned smoking in bars and restaurants, employers discovered that their employees were sick less often and they had better retention of employees. Given the benefits that business owners have experienced after the laws were passed, I doubt that restaurants and bars would bring back smoking sections even if the laws were overturned.

But, hey, I bet all of those employees were just faking being sick because they hate smokers so much.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on July 28, 2008 at 2:07 AM | PERMALINK

Well, it's the afternoon of July 28th and my wife has just received this viral email smear from head-in-the-sand right-wing relatives in Houston.

The relatives prepended a note to help us understand the story better -- "These are not our friends, but the email that was forwarded to us. A True and Genuine Story!!!!!!"

And I found this quite helpful. Without the note I would've thought it was complete bullshit!

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This thing is still floating around. Someone forwarded it to me today.

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