I'll give the McCain campaign credit for one thing: these guys are among the most accomplished liars in a generation.

They're really not. It's just that the media establishment is too biased and/or cowardly to call them out on their lies.

"Anyone who thinks the threat posed by modern-day Iran is similar, both in size and scope, to a former nuclear superpower is just blisteringly dumb."

Have you met the average American voter?

I am amazed to see the depths of deception that this gang embraces. I caught Bush in a lie early on in his first primary, and hated him ever since. But at least he (and all of his cohorts) are pretty accomplished at it. These guys are just blatant liars. It's the most disgusting thing I have ever seen and I am at the point where anything having anything to do with anything republican is, to me, dishonest, corrupt, full of shit, and only for the uber rich and screw anyone else. They have trained me to believe that nothing they say is true so I automatically think the diametrically opposing concept of whatever shit they are spewing. If it comes out of a Gooper's mouth, black is white, up is down, etc. The truth ministry has worked. I no longer believe that the GOP knows anything about truth.

They are 1000% disgusting.

In fact they rely on the CORPORATE MEDIA spreading their lies, and making up their own to boot ... THE CORPORATE MEDIA IN THIS COUNTRY IS NOTHING MORE THAN IT'S OWN KIND OF MAFIA . .CORRUPT TO IT'S CORE ..

These video press releases are just to give the cable gabbers something to show and talk about during the DNC.

Of course, the level of analysis shown on these shows, they will probably say "it works!"

I hope the Dems have tons of these video press releases (not outright lying ones like this, of course) for the RNC and the rest of the campaign.

There's no reason to tell the truth, if there's no consequences for you lies. Democrats don't throw a hissy-fit, the media doesn't hold Republicans accountable.

If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound if there is nobody there to hear it?

If a lie gets told and nobody refutes it, is it then truth?

McCain knows that 1) A lot of Americans are ignorant and stupid, so this as will work, and 2) the 'press' will not call him out on it.

McCain will win this election, the fix is already in.

Can we please also call BS on the Iran is "threatening to eliminate Israel" nonsense? That is also a complete lie, straight from neocon central.

There has been a big sea-change, though, that I've noticed at the convention. White-hot hatred for the media used to be confined to wacky bloggers, but at the DNC, the fury is palpable, and it must be eye-opening for these media people to be so openly disdained, as they have been.

If you watched the video of the FOX News reporter trying to interview protestors... it used to be, they could set up and pretend to be reporters, but everyone they tried to interview literally said, "Fuck you." Eventually the whole crowd started chanting it.

Watching MSNBC last night in front of a crowd was kind of what it's like having a message board at Swampland. They can't get away with the usual crap without getting a lot of boos and hisses. Every time Pat Buchanan tried the usual GOP spin, he got shouted down, and Maddow was cheered.

It's really to the point that a good number of people, if they saw a pundit walk by, would want to spit on them. Talk about piercing the bubble.

He is banking on Americans being so ignorant of history that they will have no qualms about repeating it.

If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound if there is nobody there to hear it?

Trees, yes.
Republics, no.

>Obama says Iran is a 'tiny' country
One candidate's 'tiny' is another's border between Iraq and Pakistan.

blisteringly dumb

The English language has a huge vocabulary, but when you have to come up with new ways to say stupid, it means so many other words have been over used. That says a lot about McCain.

These ads work simply because they exist - and they only exist because the GOP isn't being forced to play defense against an aggressive offense by the Democratic party. Republicans should not have the leisure time available to them to lie about our candidates. They should be defending themselves from a sustained onslaught of truthful and damning critiques of their past 8 years in office and their choice of Presidential candidate for this year. We are going to lose because at a time when 80% of the population thinks the country's headed in the wrong direction under the leadership of a man who polls in the low 20s, we won't throw a punch. And please, don't whine about how unfair the media is. That's a given, and a political party that's prepared to win would have found a way to deal with it over the past 16 years of hit pieces on Democrats. I think we're going to lose this race, and it is our own fault. Maybe if we lose badly enough, we'll figure out how to play this game by the next election, though I said that in 2004.

If you watched the video of the FOX News reporter trying to interview protestors... it used to be, they could set up and pretend to be reporters, but everyone they tried to interview literally said, "Fuck you." Eventually the whole crowd started chanting it.

Did you notice that in the video of that affair, FOX labeled them "leftists".

I'm waiting for an ad with single words from Obama dubbed together to say something like, "I... hate... white... America," a la Homer Simpson saying, "Then I grabbed... her... sweet... sweet... can."

Ah yes, Iran. The country that is so huge McPOW forgot it existed. I mean, he said Iraq and Pakistan share a border, and who am I to argue with a POW?

This complex about being tiny....

PA: Anyone who thinks the threat posed by modern-day Iran is similar, both in size and scope, to a former nuclear superpower is just blisteringly dumb. Kind of like the new McCain ad.

Kind of like the new McCain.

Fixed.

Anyone who thinks the threat posed by modern-day Iran is similar, both in size and scope, to a former nuclear superpower is just blisteringly dumb. Kind of like the new McCain ad.

And yet it's a common belief in the right-wing blogosphere that al-Qaeda is going to invade the United States, take over our government, and force us all to convert to Islam.

I'm talking about heavily trafficked places like Michelle Malkin's site, not weirdo fringe sites, that seem to genuinely believe this. And I can never get them to explain what size army al-Qaeda has, or how many ships out of their (imaginary) navy will been needed to land an invasion force, or how many of their (nonexistent) planes will need to bomb Washington DC before our government surrenders.

They literally cannot comprehend that there's no way in hell that a country of 70 million people would be able to overthrow and conquer a country of 300 million that's 6,000 miles and an ocean away. Hell, we can't even manage to subdue Iraq, and we've got about 250 million more people than they do. How the fuck is Iran supposed to successfully conquer the United States?

I don't think it's stupidity -- I think it's out-and-out insanity.

OMG! McCain just "Dowd-i-fied" Obama! I'm shocked, shocked, that the corporate media is not calling him on it.

Let's see what RapidDemRepsonse does with this. A damn effective 30 second response to this ad is insanely easy.

No experience.
No balls.
Nobama.

This election is over.

Obama should run an ad with a 10 second clip of the McCain ad lying about what he said, followed by the full clip of his statement comparing Iran and other adversaries to the Soviet Union and then state:

McCain is either a liar or an idiot

We report, you decide.

Hopefully FAUX News will attempt to sue the Obamba campaign and do for the Obama campaign what they did for Al Franken's book sales. That would be true justice.

I'm talking about heavily trafficked places like Michelle Malkin's site, not weirdo fringe sites[.]

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

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Maybe if we lose badly enough, we'll figure out how to play this game by the next election.. - Jersey Tomato.

Mr Tomato, you're sure about that "next election" ?

Oh nose, it's the fear card again! What Senator McCain doesn't tell you is that he approves going to war with Iran, he approves starting a new cold war with the Russians and he approves invading Venezuela for their natural resources. War, war, war!

"Developing nuclear capabilities to 'generate power' but threatening to eliminate Israel."

Good thing the US media learned all those lessons about not letting the neocons get away with blatantly lying.

Cough.

People, the only way we're going to win this thing is to go out and register millions of people.

STOP BITCHING & GET BUSY.

If McCain disagrees with this, fine, let him make his case. But that would require intellectual seriousness and integrity, both of which have gone missing at McCain campaign HQ.

I find it just surreal that 'serious' people such as Mr. Benen still find the energy to take umbrage at 'campaign dishonesty.' WTF????? A political campaign is no place for honest discourse, intellectual seriousness, or integrity. It is the place where the candidates demonstrate their corpoRat bona fides (AT&T, which benefitted E-fucking-NORMOUSLY from Obama's sell-out on the FISA/Immunity bill, is contributing million$$$$$ to BOTH the Puke and Dim 'trade shows.' Figger there's any connection?_How about that party the other night AT&T threw for the Blew-Dogs? Any OTHER questions?
Chuy!

The campaign is USer version of Kabuki. All the moves, and the outcome are known in advance, at least to the actors, and almost always to the audience.

Remember Dan Boorstin? In 1961, he published his fendamental text ofn the media-tization of culture called "The Image", in which he described what he called the 'pseudo-event,' a public act which would not occur if there were no media present to report it. That is a perfect description of BOTH 'conventions' (which exist mainly to collect corporate largesse and to sell candidates to their paymasters).

Obama should run an ad with a 10 second clip of the McCain ad lying about what he said, followed by the full clip of his statement comparing Iran and other adversaries to the Soviet Union and then state:

Look/listen to the language! People do not "listen" to television, they "watch." One of Raygun's handlers famously said they wrote Raygun ads as if the sound were gonna be off, cuz most folks don't listen to the words that accompany the images.
chuy!

I'm tired of the Left whinning about the lies coming of the GOP. This has been going on since Nixon and has been very effective. The GOP has also paid no price for this strategy. What I've seen so far is very disheartening. The Dems seem to foolishly believe they can win this by rolling out good policies.

When are the Dems going to learn that in order to win, they have to keep the GOP off message by engaging in total assault on McCain's character? Half of this convention should have been dedicated to mocking McCain as a bumbling idiot. It's been a lost opportunity. There's always 2012.

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"People, the only way we're going to win this thing is to go out and register millions of people."

So, to counter the fact that too many already registered voters are too easily gulled by the fearmongers to count on reaching them and persuading them to vote for Obama, we should register millions of new voters who are too uninformed and disengaged from the political process to have previously registered.

Yeah, that sounds like a winning strategy.

There will be a lot of comments posted here in the next two months by mentally ill individuals, like "mhr".

mhr,

The Democrat party has always been a party of patsies and dreamers. They have been so wrong for so long that it is embarrassing they still have any role in American government. And it is time for them and Hussein Obama to go.

"I'll give the McCain campaign credit for one thing: these guys are among the most accomplished liars in a generation. Sure, some shameless charlatans have come and gone over the last few decades, but when it comes to genuine, almost pathological, dishonesty, the McCain campaign is setting the bar very high (or low, depending on one's perspective)."

Wow, really Steve?

Considering that it's become dogma on the Left that Bush "lied" in order to get such brilliant Democratic (is that the right usage?) minds such Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden to vote for the Iraq War, I should say that the McCain campaign are still just rank amateurs in the lying game. Since at this point, they are only lying to the American people and we all know how stupid they are. Right?

This is on top on the all lies that Bush and the evil architect, Karl Rove, told both about Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004, in order to get elected and re-elected.

And, going back even farther, the Left is fully convinced about all the lies Reagan told in the 80s in order to fool the American people into rejecting the much better policies of Jimmy Carter.

No wonder liberals are so angry. Being forced trying to bring to the American people down to the river of liberal policies and like the proverbial horse, they simply refuse to drink it up. lol

Well, I said we'd see a lot of comments posted by mentally ill individuals, and it didn't take but a moment for "Rock" and "Chicounsel" to demonstrate exactly what I was talking about.

@ SecularAnimist There will be a lot of comments posted here in the next two months by mentally ill individuals, like "mhr".

Yeah it's just going to get worse, and thanks to Rock for making his point so rapidly. The infantile thinking it takes to write "Hussein" instead of "Barack" makes me guffaw every time I see it.

I'm getting kind of pissed that the Democrats are seemingly avoiding his name middle name when they proclaim their allegiance. It's almost as if they're slightly convinced that by uttering "Hussein" , some bad mojo may strike.

Cowboy up, everybody. This ain't no disco!

That's MS. Tomato to you, Goldilocks, and to answer your question: no, I'm not at all sure. I thought for sure the Democrats would pulverize the GOP in 2004, because of all the material they had to work with and because they knew after 2000 that they were competing against scum. But no, Kerry high-roaded his way to a front row seat at somebody else's inauguration, as Obama is well on his way to doing. And what do I see at TPM this morning? A report - from the Cleveland Plain Dealer (?) - that the Obama campaign is busy editing convention speeches to make sure they're on-message and not too mean. Great.

Chicounsel, the deliberate lies of Cheney, Bush, Reagan and Nixon (who you neglected to mention) are well documented and beyond question.

The real question is, why do you support the deliberate, malicious deception of the American people by career white-collar crooks like Cheney, Bush and McCain in support of class warfare by the ultra-rich against everyone else?

The AP ran an analysis of this ad today, saying the exact same thing. My only problem is that they called it "misleading" instead of "a damn lie." That would have been slightly more accurate.

But hey, the AP actually criticized a McCain ad for being less than truthful. It's a start.

So Chicounsel, on the particular subject of this post, do you think it was honest of John McCain to take the quote:

"I mean, think about it: Iran, Cuba, Venezuela -- these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us."

and change it to:

"Obama says Iran is a 'tiny' country, 'doesn't pose a serious threat.'"?

And if John McCain really thinks Iran is as big a threat now as the USSR was during the Cold War, do you think that is accurate or dangerously delusional?

(Warning, low sleep tends to make my temper a little less under control.)

But I am getting pretty damn sick of this constant "Oh, the fix is in, the American people are SO STUPID" (With of course the 'subtext' of 'look how bright WE are not to fall for this.)

If 'the FIX IS IN' why wasn't it IN in 2006 when, despite every prediction, we actually won a majority of the Senate and a much bigger than epected majority of the House, with all those idiots out there somehow -- was it by mistake -- pulling the right levers.

"Oh, but look how they fell for the 'swiftboating' and went for Bush instead of Kerry." Sounds to me like the hardcore -- but not PUMA level -- Clinton supporters who can't admit she lost because she ran a LOUSY campaign. I doubt if 'swiftboating' convinced almost anyone to vote against Kerry who would have voted for him -- and as people have pointed out, attacks like this only work with people who are pre-disposed against the candidate to begin with.

Kerry was a wooden candidate, painfully dull, but more importantly, he never attacked Bush on the issues because -- as the DLC has told us for years 'liberals are losers,' and if he'd campaigned on the issues that we -- in fact -- have owned for years, somebody would have started chanting 'liberal, liberal, liberal.' He never attacked Bush strongly on the war, and we didn't have the economy collapsing, or the scandals and corruption as visible as they were now.

(Does that mean the the voter suppression in Ohio in 2004 and in Florida in 2000 didn't turn the tables, or that the Nader factor was unimportant? No, but it was only Gore and Kerry's awful campaigns that let the race get so close that this mattered.)

Oh there's plenty of half-baked Menckenism here, that scourge of the 'booboisie' who formed the minds of a decade by attacking the 'right subjects' whose scorn for the possibility of Democracy working was constant because we needed the rule of the elite -- and whose followers were shocked to discover his equal hatred for Jews and blacks 'except for the elite -- which weren't ever women' among the blacks -- and who argued against going to war against Hitler, whose worst offense, in Mencken's eyes was that he was a buffoon. (Which he was, but it was hardly his worst characteristic.)

I'm a democrat first, a liberal second, a Democrat third, because both democracy and liberalism believe in people. And because they both WORK -- imperfectly, sloppily, and with many faults and stumbles.

But we tried the others, celebrating the will and superiority of youth -- which led to a whole generation of Germans following their peers -- the dumbest group of thugs that ever ruled a country. (Remember, no major Nazi leader was as old as Barack Obama is when Hitler took power, and they'd been spending ten years working before that.) We tried the 'vanguard party' showing the poor uneducated masses -- and this group really was, as well as blinded by the Caesaropapism of the Orthodox Church -- and we found the 'vanguard' couldn't make their own system work and were kicked out by the bureaucratic master who became the new, psuedo-Communist Tsar, Stalin, and who was followed by leaders who had lost any belief in anything but their own bureaucracy.

No, the 'fix isn't in' and the Mystical Masters of the Magical Diebold Spell didn't manage to use it when it counted. Sure, the majority of news outlets are against us and always were --look at the number of Republican papers during the Roosevelt era, and there was no counterbalance to Bertie McCormick and Hearst the way we have the Internet and the good people who work for the *shudder* MSM -- and whose reports we quote when we castigate it.

So stop whining, start working, and start believing in what your -- and my candidate believes in, democracy, liberalism, and the eventual good sense of the people

Maybe he was just reminiscing about that tiny cage he was held in as a POW. Remember, John McCain was a POW and that's all that matters with him -- that and his many very large houses he's over-compensating with now.

Tiny cage...large houses...John McCain

the scary thing is i almost agree with mhr at 1:44.

and i definitely agree with Jersey Tomato that blaming the media is insufficient: we should have found a way to address that by now.

we continue to think the public rewards high-mindedness. and we continue to lose elections. worry about changing the tone and cleaning house and all that happy good government progressive stuff once we get in, because it can't be done from outside.

to get in, however, we need to take no prisoners. ol snakehead Carville got one thing right in his life, back when his rule for Clinton was "always hit back twice as hard in the same news cycle."

McCain runs a lying ad about Obama, we run an ad photoshopped to show him having sex with a goat.

He runs another lying ad about Obama, we run an ad showing him having sex with a goat that is wearing an Iranian military uniform and an ammo belt.

Rock just realized that he is nothing more than a hemmroid on the asshole of McEvil .. once realized he did the right thing buy promptly putting a 'liberal' dose of preparation h .. problem solved

FWIW... Jake Tapper at ABC is calling McCain out on this one.

"Today's new McCain ad... crosses a new line into dishonesty, however, beyond whether or not it's actually airing anywhere."

Sadly, a substantial number of Americans who have the right to vote are, in fact, "blisteringly dumb" - not to mention predisposed to vote Republican regardless what business-friendly sharpie or criminal has been pushed into the ring this year. They look to the TV for guidance, and seldom vary their viewing habits when they find a channel that tells them what they like to hear.

The Republicans are trying again this year to steamroll the Democrats. Will it work? Who knows? it has before. Afterward, people will wring their hands and wail, "They LIED to us!! How were we supposed to KNOW they'd LIE??"

What chumps.

"Tyrants are impressed by the readiness of their adversaries to resist, by military means if necessary, and not by pretty words."

Apparently, the current GOP administration hasn't impressed the Russians too much. Or the North Koreans, or Iran for that matter.

"The Democratic Party that Kennedy led no longer exists- it has become a party of patsies and dreamers. "

Examples being....?

Anyone who thinks that Iran poses a serious threat to Israel and its enormous nuclear arsenal is just painfully misinformed about the world. McCain is, therefore, a liar or an ignoramus. But hey, why choose?

One thing,
"and hasn't invaded a country since the late 18th century."
I just wanted to mention the Iran-Iraq War in the nineteen eighties. It was mainly fought on Iran soil, but...
Take care
Cas

2manchu replied to mhr: "Examples being....?"

You may be new here. mhr is not. He doesn't respond to questions or engage in interactive discussions. All he ever does is post lame, inane, brain-dead, boilerplate, one-dimensional cartoon comic book stereotype rubbish about Democrats and "liberals" (think "Rush Limbaugh For Dummies") and then run and hide like the simpering little sissy he is. More often than not, the moderators delete his cowardly trolling, and it's not often enough.

mhr is a great example of the degenerative mental illness known as "conservatism" in America today. It's quite sad, really.

Cas wrote: "One thing, 'and hasn't invaded a country since the late 18th century.' I just wanted to mention the Iran-Iraq War in the nineteen eighties."

In which Saddam Hussein's Iraq invaded Iran with encouragement and support from the US, including the Reagan administration's support for Saddam's use of chemical weapons against both Iranian combatants and "his own people".

So your point is?

Ah, thanks for the heads up, SecularAnimist.

Sounds like my mother-in-law.

Ooops! Did I type that that?

Perhaps we need a contest to similarly "recontextualize" some of McCain's speeches. I'm certain we can one-up this foolishness.

Or just run an ad with various McCain gaffes and close with "John McCain.. he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the wall."

I think it's time to bring back the Daisy ad...but under the auspices of a 527.

Given the title, I figured the ad was about McCain's manhood.

Meanwhile, you may notice, Mr. Cindy McCain was the one who just said that Cindy was "on her way to the little country of Georgia," and that "I do believe that we need to stand as courageously as we can on behalf of this little country."

I think McCain DOES have an obsession with 'little'...especially when dealing with countries.

One thing, "and hasn't invaded a country since the late 18th century."
I just wanted to mention the Iran-Iraq War in the nineteen eighties. It was mainly fought on Iran soil, but...

And I just want to mention that that war started when Iraq invaded Iran, not the other way around. So what point are you trying to make here?

How can people who have to lie to get elected have your best interest in mind?

Apparently, the current GOP administration hasn't impressed the Russians too much. Or the North Koreans, or Iran for that matter.

Let's not forget -- since the Republicans have -- how St. Ronald Reagan cut and ran from Lebanon after the barracks bombing, and cut an illegal arms deal with Iran to finance his equally illegal support of terrorists in Nicaragua.

"and hasn't invaded a country since the late 18th century.
"

You forgot about the Iran-Iraq war?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War

Plus, Americans are especially suspicious about the Iranians. Remember, when SOCCENT forward operations base in Quatar was attacked and destroyed last year, it was first guessed that Iran was the culprit. Only later was it proved to be a Decepticon attack (though probably with Iranian assistance).

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I can't believe any true bloodied American can be for Obama. He has absolutely not grain of business experience to run a vacuum cleaner. All you jerks want to to is blame George Bush for everything under the sun. Check it out, most of the troubled economy etc has been coming for sometime. Had it not been for Bush Sr. raising taxes, Bill Clinton would have never come close to balancing a budget. Go back and look how much money he borrowed from Medicare and Social Secrity. It is un American for someone with a dam name like Barrack Hussien Obama to be running for President anyway. The Democrats should hide theri faces for even putting American in a position to have a Muslim running for President. SHAME ON YOU DEMORATS..

You Democrat supporters should hide your faces for saying anything about the GOP lying. That's so funny.It's like someone once said, the DEMORATS had rather climb a tree to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. And Mark..your comment that the GOP looks to TV for guidence, is just a plain lie...Almost all the Networks are a sounding board for the Dem/Party and you know it. You liberals are the downfall of this country and you're still at it. How can anyone in their right mind be for someone of Obama's character and no experiecne at absolutely
nothing. AND YOU WANT HIM FOR YOUR PRESIDENT. That should tell your friends something about what you're made of.