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August 29, 2008

A CONFOUNDING CHOICE.... Charles Homans offers some very helpful background in an item below about Sarah Palin, but I have to admit, I'm still struggling to understand what on earth the McCain campaign is thinking here.

* McCain has spent the last several years insisting that the most important qualities in a candidate for national office are experience and a background in national security. Sarah Palin was, up until recently, the mayor of a town of 9,000 people, and is currently the governor of a small state with a part-time legislature, with one-and-a-half years under her belt.

* McCain may want to improve his appeal among women voters, but he skipped right past more qualified Republican women -- women he actually knows -- such as Kay Bailey Hutchison, Elizabeth Dole, and Olympia Snowe, all of whom would have brought genuine credibility to a ticket.

* In an election season in which voters desperately want change, McCain has picked a hard-right conservative. I mean, really conservative. We're talking about a former activist for Pat Buchanan, staunch opponent of reproductive rights, global-warming denier, and skeptic of modern biology. There's a reason every right-wing group in America is jumping up and down with glee this afternoon.

* The usual pattern is for Republicans to reach national office and then face ethics investigation for alleged wrongdoing. This year, the GOP seems willing to reverse this, putting a governor on the national ticket who's already facing an ethics investigation.

* She recently asked what a Vice President does all day. How encouraging.

* Can anyone, anywhere, explain why Sarah Palin would make a good president? Given that McCain is a 72-year-old man with a history of health trouble, isn't this a rather important question right now?

I realize Palin is new, which necessarily generates some excitement. But I can't help but find this announcement utterly bizarre, and completely devoid of seriousness.

I heartily endorse Kevin's take: "This whole thing is crazy.... I'm just stunned by the cynicism of the whole thing. I'm sure Palin is a fine person, loving mother, devoted wife, learning her way as governor, and so forth. But a heartbeat away from the presidency? ... You gotta be kidding."

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Ya'll ain't gonna like this... but John McCain just officially put N. Carolina, S. Carolina, and Georgia in play.

That woman sounds like a Canadian... or worse.

Posted by: Federalist X on August 29, 2008 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

You know, I'm fairly sure from looking at the pictures that that's Tina Fey, not whoever this Palin person is. Could this all be some sort of horrible mix-up.....?

Posted by: Stefan on August 29, 2008 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

So when will palin take her trip to Iraq...you know get all the low down in the surge? Also, if she goes who pays for it?

Posted by: jerri on August 29, 2008 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

Besides the cynicism of "getting the female vote," there are a couple positives for McCain.

She helps him from losing too many working-class votes to Joe Biden (her husband is a steelworker), and also helps him from losing votes to Biden for his son going to Iraq (since hers is as well).

The fact she just gave birth, and has gone right back to work, will resonate with people. And they will make a case, perhaps successfully, that she has bucked the state party and is a truly mavericky voice.

That said, the "heartbeat away" hurdle and the "inexperience" hurdle and the desparate look of it all outweigh that.

Obama had a year and a half to convince people he was better than his length of experience would lead you to believe. He won primaries and he put together an incredible organization, and has run it very professionally (that fact has given a lot of people reason to consider his executive ability).

Palin has two months, will not compete in any primaries, will not have long to introduce herself, will not debate anyone but Joe Biden (once), and will not run the organization. She does not have the time or opportunity to clear the "inexperience" hurdle in the way that Obama has, even if she were an equally impressive person.

Posted by: zmulls on August 29, 2008 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

Paul Mirengoff of Powerline posted this earlier:

"I'm very disappointed that John McCain would put someone as inexperienced and lacking in foreign policy and national security background as Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency."

I think the concern of inexperience highlighted by the Mccain campaign will destroy this choice. It makes Mccain look like a fool.

Posted by: Tiredofgreed on August 29, 2008 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

This is a cynical choice made by a deluded party. They honestly think the Hillary contingent will be pleased by this choice and, since their philosophy is not to govern, someone with little experience is irrelevant to their decision. With all the profound problems our president will have to face after the ruinous McBush years, it makes a good sitcom to picture this woman assuming the presidency after McCain croaks. But it's really a horror show.

Posted by: Frak on August 29, 2008 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

I'm fairly sure from looking at the pictures that that's Tina Fey, not whoever this Palin person is.

Only difference is Tina Fey would make an excellent VP.

Posted by: ckelly on August 29, 2008 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

Can anyone, anywhere, explain why Sarah Palin would make a good president?

No.

I can't help but find this announcement utterly bizarre, and completely devoid of seriousness.

Which is why the media will have a field day with this.

Posted by: Racer X on August 29, 2008 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

McCain may want to improve his appeal among women voters, but he skipped right past more qualified Republican women -- women he actually knows -- such as Kay Bailey Hutchison, Elizabeth Dole, and Olympia Snowe, all of whom would have brought genuine credibility to a ticket.

But these are all Senators, right? The point seems to be to NOT run two Senators on the ticket to make the message a stronger push away from Washington politics. Alaska is pretty far away from the Beltway political circle.

Posted by: pencarrow on August 29, 2008 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

On the conservative side of the equation--what could a woman with 5 children, one of them a developmentally challenged infant, and a working-outside-the-home husband possibly be thinking go after a 24/7 job?!!! Family values indeed.

Posted by: Frak on August 29, 2008 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

"Can anyone, anywhere, explain why Sarah Palin would make a good president? Given that McCain is a 72-year-old man with a history of health trouble, isn't this a rather important question right now?"

And it doesn't matter how many rational, reasonable, intelligent arguments you bring up about Palin - the people who are going to vote for her now don't listen to lib'ruls like us, and they don't believe in rational, reasonable, intelligent arguments - if they did, they wouldn't be who/what they are.

Why, don't you realize that she's a Bible-Believing Christian who will Lead America To Its True Greatness with Jesus Christ, Our Lord?

As you said elsewhere in this post, "there's a reason right wing groups are jumping up and down..." This is their chance to put a True Believer a heartbeat away from the presidency in the administration of a man who will likely die in office.

If there is anything that will energize the right in this election like they were energized in 2004, this is it. Power Lines can point out she's the "Geraldine Ferraro of 2008," but that makes no difference to these people. Democrats might have looked at Ferraro in 1984 and dismissed her (I certainly did) as a condescending gesture by a desperate candidate (MOndale), but we're not talking here of people who even apply critical thought to anything.

This election has just gotten tougher, because a lot of people who might not have gone out and voted now will.

Posted by: TCinLA on August 29, 2008 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

Let's be honest: this is a joke. She makes Quayle look massively experienced. This is an insult to anyone with half a brain.

Posted by: John McCain: More of the Same on August 29, 2008 at 2:00 PM | PERMALINK

Looking at Palin and McCain on the stage together, I couldn't help but think that she seems like the kind of woman he would have been chasing in his younger days -- the kind of woman he would have been stepping out on his first wife with.

I'm just saying. Just an observation.

Posted by: 8 is Enough on August 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

...but I have to admit, I'm still struggling to understand what on earth the McCain campaign is thinking here.

My bet is that they are thinking that this will shift the conversation back to them after the Democrat's successful convention and after Obama filled an 84,000 seat stadium to capacity.

So far it seems to be working. But, talk about short-term thinking.

Posted by: Ak Liberal on August 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

Republicans basically believe that government is the problem, not the solution. Given that they don't believe government can work, it is not particularly important to them that those in government are actually qualified for the positions that they hold. They really only bring up the issue of experience and qualifications when they are seeking to attack a Democrat.

Palin seems a piece with the appointment of Michael Brown as head of FEMA and countless appointments of the Bush years that put enemies of the environment in charge of protecting the environment, enemies of civil rights in charge of protecting people's civil rights, enemies of consumer rights in charge of protecting consumers. It is all part of the same lame philosophy.

American people need to be educated that it doesn't make any sense to keep electing people to public office who don't believe that government has anything positive to contribute to American life.

Posted by: majun on August 29, 2008 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

Steve: I'm still struggling to understand what on earth the McCain campaign is thinking here.

The Republicans watched how Democrats treated a fellow Democrat (Hillary) during the primary, using disgusting, sexist, ugly remarks. So, by, once again, dangling a woman in front of the Obama supporters, they knew you guys would rise to the bait and repeat the behavior that enraged so many women in this country--because you just can't help yourselves.

Posted by: emmarose on August 29, 2008 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, pencarrow, Guam is pretty far away too but that's hardly an argument in its favor. Although Alaska does have more electoral votes. 3-0. So, I guess that was the tie breaker.

Posted by: Frak on August 29, 2008 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

Republicans argue that government is bad, then they get elected and prove it.

Posted by: inthewoods on August 29, 2008 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah if Johnny Mac was going to pick a woman...why her? Simple,It's to corral the far right wing slavering meat-eating Mooseburger flippers.
Karl Rove told him to.
Plus, he can dump Cindy for her when she gets enough scratch.

Posted by: RememberNovember on August 29, 2008 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

Can anyone, anywhere, explain why Sarah Palin would make a good president?

Ask yourself this: Will Republican men trust a first-term female governor of a sparsely-populated state, a political novice with no foreign policy experience whatsoever, to prosecute the GOP's Great War On Terror when McCain carks it halfway through his first term?

I'm guessing "no"...

Posted by: Screamin' Demon on August 29, 2008 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

Can anyone, anywhere, explain why Sarah Palin would make a good president? Given that McCain is a 72-year-old man with a history of health trouble, isn't this a rather important question right now?

BINGO! Give Mr. Benen a cookie.

Palin as POTUS? Fuck that!

Posted by: MsJoanne on August 29, 2008 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

No one has addressed the huge powers that Cheney (at al.) have arrogated to themselves and to their Fourth Branch--are we asking Sarah to take these on? Is she to be Dick's inheritor?

Posted by: barbara feinberg on August 29, 2008 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

No one has addressed the huge powers that Cheney (at al.) have arrogated to themselves and to their Fourth Branch--are we asking Sarah to take these on? Is she to be Dick's inheritor?

Posted by: barbara feinberg on August 29, 2008 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

I'm a half-way bright guy, nothing special. If John McCain had asked me to run for VP it would have taken me 1/10th of a second to say "No". (It would have been less but I'm factoring in shock.) I know I'm not qualified to be Dog Crusher much less President of the United States. Sarah Palin, who sounds only marginally smarter than someone like me, has to know that she's not qualified to be president. She couldn't be named to the board of a modest size corporation. Whatever in the world is she thinking?

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on August 29, 2008 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

I read that she is a creationist! This IS cynical--kind of like nominating Clarence Thomas for the Supreme Court. The rethugs have as little concern for elevating the status of women as they do the Blacks.

Posted by: candideinnc on August 29, 2008 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

One more thing. As she was verabalizing her resume, she cited her time with the PTA. It didn't really seem that she was touting it as part of her dedication to her kids, but rather as part of her public service experience. But given that she is now running for the VP of the nation, citing her work at the PTA seems, at the very least, weird, and even more, demonstrates just how razor thin her background is. It's like applying for a job as a corporate professional and citing your job at McDonald's flipping burgers.

Posted by: 8 is Enough on August 29, 2008 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

Ya'll ain't gonna like this... but John McCain just officially put N. Carolina, S. Carolina, and Georgia in play.

Umm, if McCain needed to choose a hard right social conservative in order to give himself a chance in southern states, I think the Democrats are in good shape.

Posted by: Seitz on August 29, 2008 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

Choices today are so corrupt and out of touch with America, the best candidate is an unknown with low negatives.

Posted by: Luther on August 29, 2008 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

I am now convinced this entire election is a prank. Ha ha, very funny, you crazy oligarchs - now who are the real candidates?

Posted by: Algernon on August 29, 2008 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

This is about stealing Obama's thunder, attempting to hold the polls close, and stealing the election.

Posted by: pol on August 29, 2008 at 2:08 PM | PERMALINK

The best comment on this choice that I have seen anywhere is this....

"The most sexist move of all is picking a woman for her gender not for her competence."

Posted by: Babar on August 29, 2008 at 2:08 PM | PERMALINK

The more I hear about Palin, the more she sounds like Ultimate Wackaloon Michele Bachmann. Palin actually goes for that "intelligent design" crap? Wow, she really is a conservative wingnut. She's not only a laughable pick, she's also a dangerous one.

Posted by: yowza on August 29, 2008 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

I'm still struggling to understand what on earth the McCain campaign is thinking here.

I happen to have a telepathic friend who can tell me exactly what they were thinking:

Energize the right-wing base. Energize the right-wing base. Energize the right-wing base.

What? She's hot? Okay, she's in.

Posted by: FreeProton on August 29, 2008 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, I really wonder if he'll rescind his choice next week. I think this was indeed about making noise today.

Posted by: pol on August 29, 2008 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

Mitt Romney picked an even less experienced and unknown woman running mate for Lt. Gov. in Mass, Kerry Healey. Why? We never did find out after four years in office. The guy before that did the same thing and left Jane Swift in charge when he went off to be ambassador some where, IIRC. She was booted faster than you can say "?" when Mitt wanted the job.
This is yet another Republican pick for an important office of someone who isn't a middle age white male but who also lacks any credentials for the job. Can you say Clarence Thomas? Are they really that cynical?

Posted by: GVC on August 29, 2008 at 2:11 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, emmarose--I was a feminist since probably before you were born. And you so don't know what you're talking about. SO MANY WOMAN aren't enraged (although the press would like to keep the soap opera going)about Hillary. Hillary did not run a winning campaign and so lost with dignity and quite a tribute at the convention. Wake up, it's 2008.

Posted by: Frak on August 29, 2008 at 2:11 PM | PERMALINK

@frak
Family Values: who is caring for her children, especially the one with Downs? Her husband works outside the home. If elected, will he relocate to D.C.? Do they have steel mills nearby? Will he become Mr. Mom? Is she still nursing her baby? How many hours a day does she have to work? How many days a week? What about the anti-feminist contingent led by Schlafley(sp) who decry women in the workplace?

I feel like I was insulted and degraded by this choice. How can she be seriously considered as V.P.? As far as being soft on her because she is a woman: Why? We are talking about the security of the U.S.of A and the world. Gender and parenthood should not be at issue. She is running as the next possible president of the United States of America, in the event McCain is elected and dies in office.

I am absolutely amazed!

I am committed to Oneness through Justice and Transformation
peace,
st john

Posted by: st john on August 29, 2008 at 2:11 PM | PERMALINK

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned is that she supports more drilling in Alaska and recently spoke against banning aerial hunting of gray wolves in Alaska. She's clearly not an environmentalist and is likely beholden to big oil -- and Ted Stevens.

Posted by: Helen Rainier on August 29, 2008 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

The far-right Christianist base will be thrilled with this, especially Palin's strong pro-life record (although she's decidedly not all hellfire and brimstone on gay rights). They figure who needs experience when you talk to Jesus every day. I mean, it works for W, right? I think it's going to cause a lot more consternation among the Wall Street/GOP-establishment types for whom this is going to smell a lot like another Harriet Miers debacle. Nice lady and all, but very much an unknown quantity and zero credentials for the job. I don't think she knows what she's getting into.

Posted by: jonas on August 29, 2008 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Obama needs to sic NARAL and all the other feminist PACs on Palin. Cat fight!

(Seriously, that's the only way to avoid looking like a guy picking on the girl.)

Posted by: Alex C on August 29, 2008 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Like so much else the GOP seems to come up with, it's a brilliant one-day tactical move with absolutely no thought about how it advances their long-term strategy. The goal is to change the subject from last night's speech and it succeeds brilliantly on that level. Whether it will make McCain more likely to be elected is an open question. Whether it will actually help him govern the country if he's elected --- I'm pretty sure they don't care in the least.

What everyone needs to know about the modern GOP is that it is now a party that exists for one and only one reason: to prevent Democrats from taking power. Period.

Posted by: paul on August 29, 2008 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

It was interesting how they said she has military experience as she is the Commander in Chief of the AK National Guard. While that title is bestowed upon her as Gov, I am curious what tactical/strategic decisions she has made that qualify this title as the Republicans have used it. Has she deployed troops, visited AK troops in Iraq or Afghanistan, or participated in emergency strategic scenarios with the Guard?

Posted by: bigeugene on August 29, 2008 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

The Palin pick bring back memories of two choices supposedly made for the good of the country: George H. W. Bush's nomination of Clarence Thomas ("the best man for the job ") to the Supreme Court, and the same president's pick of the estimable Dan Quayle. (And let's not speak of Harriet Myers.)

Somewhere there is a god who is not paying attention, or else he doesn't like us.

Posted by: Reno on August 29, 2008 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

She will definitely look good in dark glasses and black dress while attending funerals of assorted leaders of our allies.

Posted by: gregor on August 29, 2008 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

When McCain kicks off in his first year in office, I for one will be EXTREMELY THANKFUL that we'll have the former mayor of Moosepelt, Alaska, as commander in chief.

Posted by: Steve on August 29, 2008 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

Obama needs to sic NARAL and all the other feminist PACs on Palin. Cat fight!

On this theme, I think in the media, you're going to see the Democratic women doing the attacking. I think the men will have to take the high road. When the pick became obvious this morning, they had Debbie Wasserman Schultz doing the attacking on TV. Expect to see more of that.

Posted by: Seitz on August 29, 2008 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

"Really conservative" How many of her positions on the far right of the spectrum going to endear her to moderate swing voters? No matter how attractive and positively human this person is, at some time you have to put her right wing stances in the balance and ask how much you would want to see her as president. McCain by himself is dangerous enough. He has doubled down the danger factor.

Posted by: lou on August 29, 2008 at 2:18 PM | PERMALINK

So I heard that she wasn't even on the initial short-list for VP candidates.

Which kind of tells me that the McCain camp was so shit-scared after last night's speech that they needed to do something, anything, to grab headlines today. They obviously thought that without such a batshit crazy (oops, I mean mavericky) pick, this election would fly out of their reach even before their convention.

It's worked for a day, but I think that's all they're getting is a day. I suspect they know that though (and felt that they needed this one day in the worst imaginable way)

Posted by: neilt on August 29, 2008 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

The mantra four years ago was, " John Kerry will not make you safe." So I guess Sarah Palin can?

Posted by: fat karl on August 29, 2008 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

It's ironic that the Rethugs have obviously gone for an "affirmative action" VP choice. I thought they were against that. Think of all the white southern males who will resent her taking their job.

Posted by: Frak on August 29, 2008 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

At least part of McCain's selection of Palin seems to be his cynical desire to capture some of the "disappointed Hillary" vote.

But women who supported Hillary are feminists, and pro-choice.

They will not be amused by these realities:
1) It has taken the Republicans 24 years to catch up to the Democrats in nominating a woman as vice president.
2) Gov. Palin's last pregnancy was carried to term *by her choice*. If Palin and her party have their way, no woman will ever again need to worry about making that choice...it will have been made for her.
3) Hillary was qualified to be president. She wasn't nominated--but then, lots of qualified candidates don't get the nomination. Palin isn't qualified and she has the nomination only because of McCain's last-ditch political strategy.

No, Palin won't help with PUMAs.

Posted by: Kap on August 29, 2008 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

The women who backed Hillary didn't just say look, a woman, let's support her, they supported Hillary because she had amazing qualities. Hillary had a wealth of experience, Hillary showed real leadership, Hillary fought hard for everything she got, and in that fight she shared the experience of millions of other women. Those women are not going to be fooled by John McCain.

Sarah Palin may be a woman but she opposes everything Hillary stands for.

I suspect and hope many Hillary supporters will make John McCain pay for insulting their intelligence.


I don't think Palin will sway Hillary supporters but she may be effective with independents. The Rove strategy is to dominate the media and the Palin pick will certainly accomplish that goal. McCain does not want to run on his plan for the future he wants to swap stories. Palin has a great story to tell and it will fill the press for quite a while. The western states may find her especially compelling and move some of them away from Obama.

Posted by: sven on August 29, 2008 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe not so confounding. From a post at Buzzflash, think about the McCain women:

His first wife, Carol, was a model.

His second wife, Cindy, was an Arizona rodeo queen and cheerleader in college.

Today John McCain announced as his vice presidential running mate Sarah Palin -- "the runner-up in the Miss Alaska pageant (her special talent was whistling)" ...

He used Cindy to get rich and now he's trying to use Sarah to get the presidency.

Posted by: CMcC on August 29, 2008 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

The fact she just gave birth, and has gone right back to work, will resonate with people

Well, I've said it before, but as a (working) mom, leaving a four month old disabled infant at home to spend two and half months of 18 hour days on a plane with John McCain is not a decision that, personally, resonates with me. Well, it resonates in a "WTF would she want to do that for?!" kind of way, I guess... I'm not saying she's wrong, and I'm not saying it's a campaign issue, I'm just saying, no, I don't personally relate to that particular choice, no.

Posted by: jibeaux on August 29, 2008 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

"Moose stew or grizzly souffle', Dear?"

Posted by: Sarah Palin: The Decider on August 29, 2008 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

The dark side is simply fighting for survival. Your choice, America.

Posted by: beep52 on August 29, 2008 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

But, but, but she likes Bullwinkle burgers.

snark

Posted by: Jet on August 29, 2008 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

There are going to be some challegnes in how to attack Palin, but I think two can be very effective without seeming too "mean."

1) She is Harriet Miers. She may be very good at what she is doing now, but she is so clearly wrong for the position she's been asked to seek, and she was put in that unfortunate spot for all the wrong reasons by a man with poor judgment.

2) For emmarose and all the PUMAs - and I hope someone has a mailing list, because this needs to get to those who so adore Hillary:

Once onstage, together with Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, Palin talked about what women expect from women leaders; how she took charge in Alaska during a political scandal that threatened to unseat the state's entire Republican power structure; and her feelings about Hillary Clinton. (She said she felt kind of bad she couldn't support a woman, but didn't like Clinton's "whining.")

Yep, the neophyte Miss Wasilla, Alaska 1984 just called the real qualified female candidate a whiner. Any former Hillary supporter who votes for Palin is an insult to their gender.

Posted by: zeitgeist on August 29, 2008 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

I just figured out what this looks like...

Bush, picking Harriet Meyers to replace Justice Sandra Day O'Connor.

Clue. Less.

Posted by: Racer X on August 29, 2008 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

I don't know much about Palin, other than:

1) She's a Republican
2) She's from Alaska
3) She has not been indicted, yet

But just like all the other Alaska Republicans, this can change.

TCG

Posted by: TCG on August 29, 2008 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

When McCain kicks off in his first year in office, I for one will be EXTREMELY THANKFUL that we'll have the former mayor of Moosepelt, Alaska, as commander in chief.

That's just funny, I don't care who you are.

Posted by: jibeaux on August 29, 2008 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, seriously... this is Harriet Meyers again...

Didn't Obama just say the election is serious?

He was right.

Posted by: mde on August 29, 2008 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

Seriously, I was worried about Romney. He would have been strong in the West and maybe Michigan. As a former Little League Coach. I would be very honored to have Sarah Palin as one of my team Mothers. I think that is more important than National Security, Health Care, Womens rights. But I bet she run a mean car pool.

Posted by: fat karl on August 29, 2008 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

I will try to explain why Palin might be a good President, given my limited knowledge of her life.

1. She has raised a large family that seems to have turned out well. This is a hard thing to do.
2. The decision to have a fifth child with Downs Syndrome indicates that she makes decisions based on principle, rather than convenience.
3. I like women who can shoot.
4. She was a Mayor.
5. She is a Governor, with a high approval rating.
6. The fact that her son enlisted in the army as an infantryman indicates that she is not tied in with the New World Order power structure. Power structure figures send their sons to war zones as lawyers and reporters. Her DNA is taking real risks on behalf of her Country.
7. Her eyes were not darting from one teleprompter to another as she spoke. This indicates intelligence and sincerity.

Posted by: Brick Oven Bill on August 29, 2008 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

I would love love love to see Hillary coming out with guns blazing against this woman.

Hillary could sink her like no one else could. And fast.


Posted by: gypsy howell on August 29, 2008 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

This is as silly as Harriet Meyers for the Supreme Court. I could see it being undone. Especially if Gustav forces a delay in the convention.

Posted by: Steve Hamlett on August 29, 2008 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

neilt@2:19 raises a good point as well. i get the sense this was a rushed pick, because their concern spiked after a strong Dem convention and they wanted to blunt that and raise their own TV rating. as a result, Palin may well not have been thoroughly vetted. there may be interesting oppo research to be done here.

Posted by: zeitgeist on August 29, 2008 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

Did they have McCain/Palin signs at the rally?

I saw only standard McCain signs, which leads me to believe this was a last minute pick, possibly even change of heart.

I wonder when this decision was made.

Posted by: doubtful on August 29, 2008 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

This will hopefully be the last comment I'll write before I go get some work done.

This is a fundamentally immature pick. As many have noted, she may be a nice person and all that, but she's a far-right ideologue with no relevant experience. My college had more undergraduates than the town she was mayor of had citizens. She demonstrates no depth of understanding of government or policy-making. This isn't to say that one day, she could be a serious candidate; after all, people have to start from somewhere, and not every person needs to have a degree in law or economics to be an effective legislator or executive. But the idea that her background leaves her prepared, at this point in her life, prepared to be president is just laughable.

Simply put, Joe Biden was reported to have been smiling while leaving Denver with Obama this morning. I can understand why. Yes, expectations will be lower for her, and she might come away looking less like she's wet behind the ears and more like she could be a decent pick. But Biden and Obama and their team know this. They'll know how to undermine her in ways that will leave her looking like she's unsure of where the shots are coming from. And no, they aren't going to be stupid and pull a Rick Lazio-style move that appeals to the emotions of women by making her look like she's under attack. Biden's going to demolish her and she will be but a footnote.

Posted by: Brian on August 29, 2008 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

I hope Hillary is somewhere sharpening her nails.

That's Just What I Said

Posted by: Dale on August 29, 2008 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

Mccain will implement "do-over" option in two weeks.

Posted by: TiredofgreedII on August 29, 2008 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK

Palin = Harriet Myers in a dress.

Posted by: Jay in Oregon on August 29, 2008 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

She's been the Commander in Chief as the AK National Guard since 1/2007. And this makes one qualified to be CinC of the US Armed Forces globally?

Okay. Joke's over.

McCain's age and physical health history put him, if not in God's Waiting Room, then just outside the door. With him, there is really a good reason to think that, if elected, he would pass away in office. That job ages people like nothing else we have seen short of disease.

Putting a right-wing Xian whacko a heartbeat away from the presidency, who has no Foreign Policy chops at all, shows incredibly bad judgment. Putin and Al-queda would have her -- and us -- for breakfast.

Country first, my ass.

Posted by: jcricket on August 29, 2008 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

I think this was a genius selection on McCain's behalf. Palin is fiercely pro-life and has a down's syndrome baby. How will that look contrasted with Obama's fiasco with the born alive infant protection bill? She is wholesome, family-oriented and a maverick. It is the perfect choice against the party of gay marriage and abortion. This has turned away from a political contest and has turned into a cultural contest. With 8 Catholic bishops chastising Nancy Pelosi this week and Biden being told NOT to go to communion by the bishop of CO because of his pro-choice stance, this is going to become a major issue. Hang on to your boots.

Posted by: Helen on August 29, 2008 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

I am going to miss Willard Romney....until 2012 that's.

Here's to hoping he does something really stupid and stays in the news.

TCG

Posted by: TCG on August 29, 2008 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

Her eyes were not darting from one teleprompter to another as she spoke. This indicates intelligence and sincerity.

Posted by: on August 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: Brojo on August 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

thanks for the shout out zeitgeist! Always nice to get props from one of the smart kids in class! :)

Posted by: neilt on August 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

At least part of McCain's selection of Palin seems to be his cynical desire to capture some of the "disappointed Hillary" vote.

I seriously doubt that was either the intent or the reality. Disappointed Hillary voters will make their own choices but very likely will continue to vote Democratic.

This seems like a choice designed to energize the base of women who may not have seen much in the candidates so far to get excited about. Barack's choice of a long-term Wash insider and another senator might well have less appeal to these women voters than a ticket with Palin.

Of course, as others have mentioned, it doesn't hurt that she does look pretty hot and that may "energize" a few more men voters as well!!

Posted by: pencarrow on August 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

Her eyes were not darting from one teleprompter to another as she spoke. This indicates intelligence and sincerity.

After 7.5 years of Bush, I realize it's going to take some mental retraining to raise that bar a little bit, but COME ON.

Posted by: jibeaux on August 29, 2008 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK

Saw a picture on Huffington Post of Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin.

Maybe he picked her just because she was the only VP choice who was shorter than him.

Posted by: Wapiti on August 29, 2008 at 2:43 PM | PERMALINK

What the hell is Kevin doing saying a right wing fanatic closed minded bigot is "a fine person". What makes him sure she's a fine person. I wish people would quit calling these morally bankrupt hypocrites respectful good people...they aren't. McCain is a monster no matter how much he plays patriot. Creationist, global warmer denier?? Whose soul is for sale. Just because people get into power or obtain wealth doesn't make them "fine people". It's usually just the opposite only they have PR people to justify them.

Posted by: bjobotts on August 29, 2008 at 2:43 PM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: WHD2 on August 29, 2008 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

Helen: This has turned away from a political contest and has turned into a cultural contest.

Which was the rationale for the pick in the first place; God, Guns, and Gays redux.

'Cept Palin is squishy on the Gays, but not too squishy.

Posted by: grape_crush on August 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

What the hell is Kevin doing saying a right wing fanatic closed minded bigot is "a fine person". -bjobotts

Well, you have to admit, she's a loving sister. I mean she did abuse her power and attempt to have the bastard who divorced her sister fired.

Only a fine person would do something illegal and vindictive like that for their family.

Posted by: doubtful on August 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

Hmmmm... I also wonder how many more voters are now more likely to watch the Republican Convention just to see and hear Sarah Palin?

Could be a massive plot by the TV industry to jack up the price of commercial time during the convention!!!

Posted by: pencarrow on August 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

"I think this was a genius selection on McCain's behalf. Palin is fiercely pro-life and has a down's syndrome baby."

As one who has friends with Down's Syndrome kids, I applaud Ms. Palin's CHOICE to bring her baby to term so she could raise her in a loving home.

Of course, her choice was none of my business, nor the Government's. Just as it is nobody else's business for any woman who may decide otherwise.

Posted by: Bill H. on August 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

This is a choice that will be very appealing to two important groups of ignorant dumbasses:

1. So-called "movement conservatives", i.e. the weak-minded gullible mental slaves of the right-wing extremist propaganda machine, and

2. The highly-paid "on-air personalities" of the corporate-owned mass media.

In order to get close enough to steal the election with voter disenfranchisement and fraud, McCain needs a large turnout of the right-wing know-nothing base.

Even more importantly, McCain needs the obsequious, fawning courtiers of right-wing corporate power who dominate the commercial mass media to keep shilling for him, spouting inane scripted drivel about his "character" while burying the truth of his long career as the corrupt, bought-and-paid-for tool of corporate lobbyists, and ignoring his shocking incoherence and sickening lies.

This choice helps McCain with both of these groups.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on August 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

This has turned away from a political contest and has turned into a cultural contest.

Which, ironically, Obama pointed out last night is what Republicans always do:

If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.

Always amusing to see Republicans do exactly what we said they'd do.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on August 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

Palin? At first, I thought of Dan Quayle. We now know Quayle was picked so that one of the Bush boys could run for president without the vice president getting in the way. Is McCain serious?Our nation is in crisis and another obscure right-wing conservative like Quayle is his first 'presidential' decision?

Alas, there are even stranger angles to the story. A few weeks ago at a rally somewhere, John McCain introduced Cindy as Miss Buffalo Chips. He was joking but there is such a competition and.... Well never mind about that.

Now numerous male and female Republicans with better credentials are overlooked for the obscure governor of Alaska who once held the title of Miss Wasilla and.... Wait a minute, this is definitely getting weird.


Posted by: Craig on August 29, 2008 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

The mantra four years ago was, " John Kerry will not make you safe." So I guess Sarah Palin can?

Possibly, if Al Qaeda has started a sleeper cell of moose.

Posted by: DJ on August 29, 2008 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

This has turned away from a political contest and has turned into a cultural contest.

Yes, because when you ask Americans what they're concerned about, gays, abortion, and one's religious beliefs are at the top of the list.

/snark

Sorry, but wedge issues are brought up by people with nothing real to offer, and only work when the American people are distracted.

But this time, they're not.

Americans want an economy that works for them, a sensible foreign policy, health care for all, alternative energy, and a feeling of pride in their nation.

So if the GOP wants to make it all about gay marriage and abortion, fine. You do that.

Us adults, meanwhile, will be fixing our country and making it work again.

Posted by: Mark D on August 29, 2008 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

Can anyone, anywhere, explain why Sarah Palin would make a good president?

Can anyone, anywhere, explain what "making a good President" has to do with getting elected?

Two words: George Bush.

She could very well be an appealing candidate.

Posted by: JC on August 29, 2008 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

WHD2.

Try blogger.spot.com. In seconds you can have your own blog and post on whatever topic you like. Heck I've got two.

Advantages? One its free. Two doesn't make you look like an asshole on a national forum.
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On the topic gibeaux had it right. The entire stay-at-home mom/home schooling crowd just got a big slap in the face. Sarah Palin just went out and implicitly made the claim that you can be a good Mom of five kids, including an infant with special needs, while holding down a day job as governor oh and by the way spending the next two and a half months campaigning for VP (and all while handling an ethics investigation into actually who was pushing to get her ex-brother in law fired as a State Trooper).

Which has to make the Family Values/Shafley types tearing out their hair at this point. Imagine the flip side.

On the bright side any chance of slamming Michelle Obama for leaving her six and ten year olds back in Chicago while she campaigns just got undercut, last we will hear on that front.


Posted by: Bruce Webb on August 29, 2008 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

Stefan:

You know, I'm fairly sure from looking at the pictures that that's Tina Fey, not whoever this Palin person is.

ckelly

Only difference is Tina Fey would make an excellent VP.

Well, if TF did become VP and happen to step in as President, she would almost have to be an improvement over the previous Pennsylvanian to be President.

-Z

Posted by: Zorro on August 29, 2008 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

One swallow doesn't make a summer (even for an opponent of reproductive rights).

This is fly-by-night flash-in-the-pan politics straight out of Monty Python:

and now for something COMPLETELY different..

BTW, How's that McPOW Alzheimer Test campaign going?

Posted by: on August 29, 2008 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

Steve Benen "heartily endorsed" Kevin Drum: "I'm sure Palin is a fine person ..."

Palin is a bought-and-paid-for tool of the oil industry. Just like Dick Cheney. Just like George W. Bush. Just like John McCain.

Even as Alaska experiences some of the worst impacts of global warming of any state, and even as Palin herself convened a task force to consider how the state can deal with those impacts -- she denies that the burning of fossil fuels even "contributes" to global warming, disparages and discourages investment in clean renewable energy, and proposes drilling for more oil both offshore and in ANWR.

Someone who deliberately misleads the public about the scientific reality of anthropogenic global warming in order to perpetuate the obscene profits of her cronies and financial backers in the oil corporations is not a "fine person". As a global warming denier, she is more ethically despicable than a holocaust denier.

Government of, by and for the fossil fuel corporations is not the change we need. It's more of the same.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on August 29, 2008 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

You left out that she's a viking:
http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinVikings.jpg

As with all details about this candidate, it has its up side and downside. She does a lot to shore up McCain's support with big fur, but he's gambling that the traditional Republican Visigoth and Hun base will hold their noses and vote for her because she is pro-invasion and pro-plundering.

Posted by: colin on August 29, 2008 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

With apologies to Michael Palin, of course.

Posted by: on August 29, 2008 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

This has turned away from a political contest and has turned into a cultural contest.

It's now always a cultural contest. This BS that one sees constantly on this blog and others that policies or "world view" matter is insane. You know, the crap about "modern liberalism" and "movement conservatism."

Rightly or wrongly, Barack opened himself to this when he dissed Hillary. (Not a Hillary supporter here.) To regain the advantage, he should drop Biden and name Angelina Jolie as his VP. And Robert De Niro as Secretary of Defense!

Why do we have to learn the lesson over and over that these guys will do anything to hang on to power. If they'll send our sons and daughters to die in a useless war, do you think they'll stop at putting an inexperienced but beautiful woman a heartbeat from the presidency? When they voted in Shrub?

Wake up, dems!

Posted by: Econobuzz on August 29, 2008 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

One overriding thought here: Tread very, very carefully when considering any attacks on Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Palin's proved to be a very feisty politician, and as Sen. Ted Stevens and former Gov. Frank Murkowski (no fans of her, to be sure) can attest, she does not intimidate easily, and will make deals with Democrats to confront and confound the Alaska GOP's old-boy network -- which, by the way, thoroughly detests her, so chalk one up for her in my book.

Further, Gov. Palin recently bore a son with Down's Syndrome, so the public sympathy factor for her may well be on hair trigger alert. Now, as to why she consented to this joining this physically-testing race so soon after giving birth and while still nursing, well, that certainly is a question she'll have to answer publicly. Further, I'd bet that most people might also look askance at her candidacy, should they ever perceive that she's using her infant son as a campaign prop at her own public appearances.

All things considered, I like Sarah Palin, and I think that John McCain has made an intiguing choice for his running mate. Let's face it, he clearly needed to do something to shake up the present dynamics of the race, and his options are limited. He really can't win without taking a gamble like this.

I believe that our best strategy in this case is to mildly praise -- for one day, and one day only -- Sen. McCain's well-considered roll of the dice, and then ignore Gov. Palin completely. Vice presidential candidates are nominally non-factors n presidential elections. Let's not inadvertantly turn her into one.

Posted by: Out & About in The Castro on August 29, 2008 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK
Charles Homans offers some very helpful background in an item below about Sarah Palin, but I have to admit, I'm still struggling to understand what on earth the McCain campaign is thinking here.

I think you have all the critical facts, you just fail to ascribe the right importance to the ones that matter most. To wit:

McCain has picked a hard-right conservative. I mean, really conservative. We're talking about a former activist for Pat Buchanan, staunch opponent of reproductive rights, global-warming denier, and skeptic of modern biology. There's a reason every right-wing group in America is jumping up and down with glee this afternoon.

Whether this is covering his right flank to buy him room to campaign in a more centrist way (the ideological balance explanation) or it signals an intent to run a hard-right and heavily-negative campaign and try to win by turning out the GOP base while demobilizing the Democratic base, we'll probably know by the end of the next week (the latter seems more consistent with the campaign thus far), but whichever this is clearly for the hard right.


Posted by: cmdicely on August 29, 2008 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

Tread very, very carefully when considering any attacks on Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Yep. And Biden CAN'T handle her, believe me.

Posted by: Econobuzz on August 29, 2008 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

Americans want an economy that works for them, a sensible foreign policy, health care for all, alternative energy, and a feeling of pride in their nation.
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right you are. And many of us want an end to the illegal and immoral occupation of Iraq, an end to US Gov't sanctioning of torture, a full restore of Habeas, respect for and adherence to the Geneva Conventions, an end to 'signing stmts' that skirt around the law, and middle-class tax relief. Honest, transparent government, OF the people, BY the people, FOR the people. Is that so hard for you repigs to understand? Yes it is, and the grand OLD party can't deliver anything but crime, corruption, and cronyism. And WE the people are sick of it. Rovian politics are OVER!! (BTW, Contact your Congressperson and tell them to put Rove away. If you or I skipped out of the country when we were subpoenaed, we'd be wearing an orange jumpsuit. He is no better than you or I and he is not above the law. Send the message that IOIYR is no longer the way things are done.)

Posted by: OptiMysticalCynic on August 29, 2008 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINK

Tread very, very carefully when considering any attacks on Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Yep. And Biden CAN'T handle her, believe me.

I don't know what world you're living in, but I live in the one where Biden routinely rips Giuliani a new one just while walking to his CAR.

It isn't going to take "attacks", smears, dirty campaigning, or really much of anything at all. Her resume is patently inadequate, and she won't add anything to the ticket. Game, set, match.

Posted by: jibeaux on August 29, 2008 at 3:27 PM | PERMALINK

I don't know what world you're living in, but I live in the one where Biden routinely rips Giuliani a new one just while walking to his CAR.

Giuliani is a joke. She'll tear Biden a new asshole.

Posted by: Econobuzz on August 29, 2008 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe I was too quick in the past to dismiss what seemed to me a largely emotional response to Obama. I'm actually excited about the possibility of Palin as VP. I can't explain it any better than most of the Obama fans explain their excitement, but it's there.

Posted by: MB on August 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if the Republicans have considered that McCain's anti-women's views were sliding under the radar. A lot of women (including one PUMA I saw on TV) actually believed he wouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade if given the chance. Sarah Palin is a hard, hard evangelical conservative. Her pick might have the effect of informing independent women that McCain is one of the original members of the "women haters club." This could backfire. There just isn't a large enough evangelical base left to do McCain any good. He needs independents.

Posted by: Ron Byers on August 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Please consider there are a lot more registered dems than repubs. Energizing their right wing base still won't even make it close this election.

Like everything else McCain has done his VP pick further demonstrates his pathetic lack of judgment and his willingness to place politics before the good of the country.

Idiots would have raved no matter who McCain picked...after all they are supporting McCain's idiocy. Poor judgment and experienced at being wrong

Posted by: on August 29, 2008 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, you gotta be kidding: and I think there's a simple and easy way to show the country that John McCain is playing games with the voters just to get elected. It takes a few steps:

1. Ask, and maybe even him directly too: Would John McCain have picked Sarah Palin if, having all the same background, she wasn't a woman? No, really, of course not - some guy like that just wouldn't have been the Veep choice "and we all know it." So,

2. That shows that John McCain was pandering, trying to pull a "See what a cute smart-ass I am, diddling with Hillary supporters and sticking my tongue out at Barack Obama." My mother said, he "looked pleased as punch," with a big smug smart-Alec's smirk on his face.

3. Once voters realize that John McCain was pandering like that, taking chances with the well-being of the nation just to play election games, enough of them will be outraged enough to say, no way I will vote for a asshole like that.

Push the meme.

Posted by: Neil B on August 29, 2008 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

Giuliani is a joke. She'll tear Biden a new asshole.

Oh, please. What in the name of God's green earth is she going to claim superior knowledge of, how to sweat off the extra weight with Saran Wrap right before the pageant? How to race a sled dog? All the myriad ways to spend federal tax dollars? Where the best pizza in Wasilla, Alaska, is?

Posted by: jibeaux on August 29, 2008 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

The choice strikes me as reactive and a bit desperate.

This seems to be McCain saying -- "OK you picked a guy with a great profile to be your VP -- guess what: I'm such a strong candidate that I don't even need a VP with a great profile. In fact I'm going to pick someone who is less qualified than any number of men and women within my own party."

There's a perverse kind of irrational wisdom to the choice. It is crazy, but politically there might be some who fall in line behind the McCain selection. Especially amongst some social conservatives. In a rational universe where voters vote based on self-interest McCain-Palin would be polling in the mid-30s right now. I'll be curious to see how the numbers stack up over the next few days.

Posted by: Franklin on August 29, 2008 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

Palin, with the two ongoing ethics issues (one dealing with improper political firing, one to do with improper political hiring) helps tie the McCain campaign to the political hiring and firing scandals of the Bush Administration (Justice Department, etc.) as "more of the same".

Posted by: cmdicely on August 29, 2008 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

Her being Evangelical, I wonder how she feels about Catholics (ehem, Joe Biden)? Don't many Evangelicals dismiss Catholics as false Christians?

Posted by: JWK on August 29, 2008 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK

How to freeze-dry moose
Cheerleading!
Inaccuracies and misperceptions in Northern Exposure

Posted by: jibeaux on August 29, 2008 at 3:53 PM | PERMALINK

The Dead Parrot Sketch...

Posted by: jibeaux on August 29, 2008 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, please. What in the name of God's green earth is she going to claim superior knowledge of...?

Superior knowledge? Is that what won the debates the last two times out? Is that what will win the debates this time around? Is that what men use to win debates with women? With women watching?

Ain't ever gonna happen.

Posted by: Econobuzz on August 29, 2008 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

I don't give the american people a whole lotta credit, but we're in volved in TWO wars, we're in a deadly nuclear chess game with Iran and North Korea, Russia is flexing its muscle and the economy seems to be in a free fall. The notion of "President McCain" not making it through his first term is not unreasonable. The thought of someone so completely, horrifically unqualified becomming the President of the United States will not be lost any sane person no matter how much the love Jesus, hate gays, love guns and hate Darwin. At some point its survival.

What John McCain did today was irresponsible beyond description. It shows his utter lack of leadership and wisdom. It was disrespectful to the nation and the American people.

Posted by: Saint Zak on August 29, 2008 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

Superior knowledge?...Is that what men use to win debates with women? With women watching?

Oh, yeah, that's right, women are @*&$ing idiots. Helluva campaign strategy, you have to wonder why they didn't pick Brad Pitt though...

Posted by: jibeaux on August 29, 2008 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, yeah, that's right, women are @*&$ing idiots.

No, on the contrary, they just look for more in debates than just "superior knowledge."

you have to wonder why they didn't pick Brad

He was asked but declined.

Posted by: Econobuzz on August 29, 2008 at 4:13 PM | PERMALINK

they just look for more in debates than just "superior knowledge."

Right! Like moose hunting and pageants! I mean, hopefully. Cause on foreign policy experience, domestic experience, knowledge of Washington, and policy knowledge, she fails there, too. Hillary Clinton the woman is not.

I'm a woman, and you can quit *@&#$ing insulting me any time now.

Posted by: jibeaux on August 29, 2008 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK

Econobuzz,

Wow. Just...Wow.

Look, it is way more than just ovaries.

How shallow is your opinion of women?

Wow.

Posted by: doubtful on August 29, 2008 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

Palin not only lacks "superior knowledge", she embodies the GOP's commitment to deliberate, toxic ignorance. She "doesn't believe" in evolution. She denies that the burning of fossil fuels even "contributes" to global warming.

Cheney, Bush, McCain and Palin all understand and practice a core governing principle of the Republican Party: that an ignorant public is easily subjugated.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on August 29, 2008 at 4:33 PM | PERMALINK

Econobuzz wrote: "Superior knowledge? ... Is that what men use to win debates with women? With women watching?"

Could you be any more sneeringly condescending towards women if you tried?

Or perhaps you are trying?

Posted by: SecularAnimist on August 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM | PERMALINK

It's a stunt AND cynical AND insulting to the intelligence of many Americans, BUT...

The Republicans have been smarter at this game that the Democrats for several years running. Elections aren't won with superior policy. They are won on emotion.

Do not underestimate the political wisdom of this choice.

It's not designed to get Hillary supporters.

What it may be designed to do is lull Obama's team into a trap.

Biden needs to get some tapes of this woman's debate against the entrenched Old Boys in Alaska. She obviously has some sort of voodoo if she unseated them.

Be very very careful. The fundamentals are in the Dems favor, but sometimes Hail Mary plays work out.

Watch yourself Joe!

Posted by: lobbygow on August 29, 2008 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe econobuzz is referring to this Biden-butt-ripping line:

"As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration."

Posted by: jibeaux on August 29, 2008 at 4:44 PM | PERMALINK

[Comments in this vein will be deleted, and if I have to delete enough of them, you will be banned. This is two for you, Brojo. -Mod]

Posted by: Brojo on August 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM | PERMALINK

McCain himself what a desperation choice to nominate for President when all the other candidates self-destructed last Spring. The media has carried him as though he was a real candidate, though. But apparently the McCain camp is somewhat connected to reality (unlike the media covering him) and feels a sizable degree of desperation.

So what we have just seen today was a "Hail Sarah pass."

Not only is it a sign of mounting desperation, it is also a slap in the face of every serious Republican on the national stage who might have added the appearance of a potentially viable President to back up the aging and health-challenged cancer survivor McCain.

The choice of Palin as Veep candidate is Republican desperation squared.

Posted by: Rick B on August 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK

Sarah Palin makes John McCain look like Hugh Heffner. Just give him a goofy saiolor hat and hes good to go!

Posted by: rab on August 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, but George W. Bush is a heartbeat away from the presidency....kind of....

Posted by: CatherineD on August 29, 2008 at 4:59 PM | PERMALINK
Palin has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.

And the regional manager of Blockbuster has more than Palin. What's your point?

... Obama has less experience in the government than Palin does!

Um ... Palin has just under nine years in elected office (city council/mayoy/governor), while Obama has 11 (state senate/Senate).

Last I checked, 11 > 9.

Also, this notion that Palin is immune from criticism and policy attacks just because she's a woman or has a kid with Down's, is fucking ludicrous. After all, if she can't handle that big 'ol meany Biden, how the hell will she stand up to Al Queda? Iran? Russia?

Posted by: Mark D on August 29, 2008 at 5:03 PM | PERMALINK

And the regional manager of Blockbuster

Hell, "assistant to the regional manager"...

I can't wait for the Office...

Posted by: jibeaux on August 29, 2008 at 5:12 PM | PERMALINK
and as Sen. Ted Stevens and former Gov. Frank Murkowski (no fans of her, to be sure) can attest, she does not intimidate easily, and will make deals with Democrats to confront and confound the Alaska GOP's old-boy network -- which, by the way, thoroughly detests her, so chalk one up for her in my book.

-- Out & About in the Castro

Yes ... Stevens hates her so much that he just endorsed her selection.

I swear, it's like some of you don't bother to check reality before sharing your delusions with us.

Posted by: on August 29, 2008 at 5:12 PM | PERMALINK

Could you be any more sneeringly condescending towards women if you tried?

Debating a woman is different. (John Edwards and Barack Obama found that out, didn't they?) Superior knowledge guarantees NOTHING. Women look beyond that -- to character, values, empathy, etc.

It's not me being "sneeringly condescending," dipshits, it's me being realistic. If either of you think Biden will win the debate -- with "superior knowledge" -- you're nuts.

Posted by: Econobuzz on August 29, 2008 at 5:55 PM | PERMALINK

Econobuzz wrote: "Debating a woman is different. (John Edwards and Barack Obama found that out, didn't they?) ... If either of you think Biden will win the debate -- with 'superior knowledge' -- you're nuts."

I don't know what debates you were watching during the Democratic primary campaign, but my recollection is that Hillary Clinton's big selling point was her "superior knowledge" that would enable her to be "ready on day one".

But like George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004, McCain and Palin don't need to worry about actually "winning" the debates. They know they can count on the fawning, obsequious "on-air personalities" of the corporate-owned mass media -- people like Tom Brokaw, who are looking forward to the even bigger tax cuts for the rich that John McCain has promised, and who probably own almost as many houses as he does -- to tell the American people that they won.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on August 29, 2008 at 6:48 PM | PERMALINK

Palin has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.

She also has more executive experience than John McCain, and yet he's the presidential nominee.

Maybe they need to switch places since Palin is so clearly more qualified than McCain.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on August 29, 2008 at 7:46 PM | PERMALINK

If either of you think Biden will win the debate -- with "superior knowledge" -- you're nuts. -Econobuzz

If you think a newcomer without an Iraq policy who thinks that bordering Canada is a foreign policy is going to take down a seasoned pro in a debate, you've got a vacuum between your ears.

And give me a fucking break comparing Palin to Clinton. Edwards and Obama learned what it was like to debate Hillary Clinton, not some all encompassing idea of a woman.

Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: doubtful on August 29, 2008 at 8:16 PM | PERMALINK

Keep in mind that McBush / McGOP had to pick someone that would actually accept his offer to run as his VP.

Posted by: George on August 29, 2008 at 9:08 PM | PERMALINK

To the point of executive experience.

All the other candidates have more executive experience than Palin, this is in terms of running their senate offices. End of story there.

Posted by: George on August 29, 2008 at 9:12 PM | PERMALINK

//I mean, really conservative. We're talking about a former activist for Pat Buchanan, staunch opponent of reproductive rights, global-warming denier, and skeptic of modern biology.//

Hot and cold are opposites, but you cannot use either to describe how much a loaf of bread costs or how tall Yao Ming is.

Similarly, conservative and liberal refer to different (not always opposite) techniques of implementing public policy in order to solve problems.

I find it odd that we so readily refer to positions on issues as being conservative or liberal, when in fact the adjective can only describe a policy relating to the issue and not ones belief in science or position on the morality of the underlying issue.

For instance, it is a rather liberal position to believe that the federal government trumps both a doctor's recommendation and an individual's desires concerning reproductive health. In that light, pro-choice is a conservative position. On the other hand, it is a conservative position to feel that the federal government has no business paying for this procedure.

These particular adjectives describe the policy and the policy only. And in that light, most "conservatives" would be quite shocked at how liberal they really are, and vice versa.

(And in my version of a perfect world, conservative and liberal would never be used as nouns.)

Posted by: Opsimath44 on August 30, 2008 at 5:50 PM | PERMALINK

Geez... sticky fingers... sorry for the triple lindey post there.

Posted by: Opsimath44 on August 30, 2008 at 5:52 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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