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August 30, 2008

QUOTE OF THE DAY.... I'm not sure if the McCain campaign has thought this line through.

"[Sarah Palin is] going to learn national security at the foot of the master for the next four years, and most doctors think that he'll be around at least that long," said Charlie Black, one of Mr. McCain's top advisers, making light of concerns about Mr. McCain's health, which Mr. McCain's doctors reported as excellent in May.

First, it's not an especially good idea for top McCain aides to joke about whether McCain is going to survive four years in office.

Second, it's not an especially good idea to describe McCain as "the master" on national security, given that he's embarrassingly confused about national security and foreign policy for quite some time.

Third, it's not an especially good idea to concede, on the record, that the Vice President during two wars will need on the job training.

And fourth, John McCain's top strategist has effectively told the New York Times that the Republican nominee for V.P. won't be ready on Day One, but that's fine, because McCain will probably live until 2013. Seriously. That's his argument.

I'd love to hear some enterprising political reporter who travels with the McCain campaign to ask the senator, "In the event of a tragedy or national calamity, and a President McCain were unable to carry out his duties, who does John McCain believe is the single best, most trustworthy, most capable, most reliable person in the entire United States to lead the free world?"

Joe Lieberman? Tom Ridge? Lindsey Graham? Dick Lugar? John Warner? No, it's Sarah Palin.

I just want to see McCain or one of his top aides say this with a straight face. Just once.

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"I just want to see McCain or one of his top aides say this with a straight face. Just once."

hahaha. It cannot be done.

Posted by: animaux on August 30, 2008 at 10:12 AM | PERMALINK

Third, it's not an especially good idea to concede, on the record, that the Vice President during two wars will need on the job training.

What about Obama?

Posted by: SJRSM on August 30, 2008 at 10:17 AM | PERMALINK

What about Obama?

And your question is...?

Posted by: Bruce on August 30, 2008 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINK

McCain's only hope is that enough old-fashioned American racism kicks in at the polls to keep Obama from getting the Presidency.

Posted by: Del Capslock on August 30, 2008 at 10:23 AM | PERMALINK

The possible significance of "for the next four years" part didn't enter your radar?

Posted by: William Zeallor on August 30, 2008 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK

It is a bit strange that the Democrats who have nominated someone with so little experience in the national arena are criticizing Palin's lack of experience. I support Obama - he's savvy and smart enough to learn his job quickly. But everyone who isn't supporting Obama is laughing profusely and justifiably about the hypocrisy of this line of attack.

Posted by: jen f on August 30, 2008 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINK

And your question is...?
Posted by: Bruce

What jen f said.

Posted by: SJRSM on August 30, 2008 at 10:27 AM | PERMALINK

The big tent? Why yes, to the greatest show on earth featuring Wild John and Annie Oakley.

Cheney, speaking on GW's penchant to shoot from the hip, "sometimes a cowboy is what we need" (paraphrasing).

McCain is carrying this concept to the extreme and making leading the free world into something like the myth of the shootist taming the wild west. Palin fits into this fantasy quite well but are the times crying out for a cowgirl?

Posted by: lou on August 30, 2008 at 10:33 AM | PERMALINK

What I find remarkable is just how patronizing the official GOP line is on the Palin choice:

A McCain campaign official on the choice of Palin as VP: "She’s a fresh new face in a party that’s dying for one – the antidote to boring white men..."

Conservative Paul Merengoff over at Power Line on the Palin pick: "She looks great on the stump and speaks very well."

Matt Mayberry, John McCain's Strafford County New Hampshire Chairman on Sarah Palin: "I think she is fantastic. She is a fresh face for the Republican Party that adds to the diversity of the party."

Republican strategist Alex Castellanos on McCain's pick: "She brings a lot to the table. But I think the most important thing she brings is a fresh face to the Republican party."

The Atlantic's Ross Douthat on McCain's VP pick: "I'm pretty excited, I have to say. This could, of course, turn out to be an enormous debacle if she isn't ready for prime time. But for now, Sarah Palin looks like a perfect face for the sort of Republican Party I want to support..."

Posted by: The Retrospectivist on August 30, 2008 at 10:35 AM | PERMALINK

jen f and SJRSM - if you are both suggesting with a straight face that there is no difference between someone who has spent the past 4 years dealing with the current wars and other foreign policy issues as a legislator and someone who has been governor of a small population state for 20 months, whose office did not in any way call upon her to make any decisions regarding war or foreign relations, nor any reason to become informed upon such matters, then I feel completely comfortable with disregarding your opinions on this matter.

Posted by: Jennifer on August 30, 2008 at 10:36 AM | PERMALINK

We have idiots who supported the empty suit Bush complaining about Obama? What a fucking joke. And really, given that McCain appears to have done nothing but use his wife's money to get a sinecure in the crazy-person seat previously occupied by noted belligerent twit Goldwater. McCain's only qualification being that he downed a plane while bombing innocent Vietnamese citizens and became, wait for it, a POW. Oh, and that he then supported the mass slaughter of Iraqis because he was confused about who attacked and killed 3000 people - resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead, though to the kind of moron who loves the smell of burning children I guess it's okay because (to them) those were Iraqis rather than real people.

The idiot Republicans have put up an empty suit and an empty skirt - and their moronic trolls think Obama is a lightweight? Hilarious.

Posted by: the on August 30, 2008 at 10:36 AM | PERMALINK

If the Democratic party takes up your mantra Steve, they are going to drive unattractive women to John McCain in droves. Palin has proven that she can play the victim. Even without calling herself a victim.

As you learn more about Sarah’s husband, you will find probably come to the conclusion that the ‘Alaska Dude’, father of five, including an army infantryman, will satisfy unattractive women’s anxiety needs just fine. Probably better than a Presidential candidate who threatens to invade Pakistan.

Posted by: Brick Oven Bill on August 30, 2008 at 10:38 AM | PERMALINK

> jen_f
Please. Obama is way more qualified to be President than Palin is. He'll be ready on Day One. Palin will be ready on Day One of Year Four. If she learns her lessons.

This is a case of the Republicans eating their seed corn. Palin should have run for Senate. A few years on the national scene and then we'd see if she were a contender. Now, she's going to become a punchline.

Posted by: bob on August 30, 2008 at 10:38 AM | PERMALINK

Okay I'll bite - Obama was the President of the Harvard Law Review, a professor of Constitutional Law, and a civl rights attorney.


Please fill in these educational and employment blanks for Sarah Palin.

Thanks.

Posted by: Nashville_fan on August 30, 2008 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

Palin doesn't really need any on the job training. She has loads of experience in an executive office as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, right?

Here's where she got all that valuable experience:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djcn0te/319098225/in/set-72157594414445112/

Barely distinguishable from the West Wing. All it needs is a rose garden.

Posted by: majun on August 30, 2008 at 10:43 AM | PERMALINK

Palin doesn't really need any on the job training. She has loads of experience in an executive office as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, right?

Here's where she got all that valuable experience:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djcn0te/319098225/in/set-72157594414445112/

Barely distinguishable from the West Wing. All it needs is a rose garden.

Posted by: majun on August 30, 2008 at 10:43 AM | PERMALINK

Oh Steve they are already doing it. I was choking on my Wheaties this morning watching the republican spinmiesters do their thing. The videos showed her dragging that baby to one of events.Pathetic. Next up Noun, Verb downs syndrome baby They are spinning her "years " of experience "governing " a city of 6000 and then a state of 600,000 (about the same population as Cedar Rapids Ohio)They then go on to tell us how she actually has more experience than Barak-I guess if you include her time at the PTA. Hillary better push back hard on this one. Pull no punches ask how the average person with a downs syndrome bay would do under McCain's health plan. Someone please wipe that smarmy shit eating rigor mortise grin off McCain's face.

Posted by: John R on August 30, 2008 at 10:43 AM | PERMALINK

Something will happen between now and the election that will scare the bejesus out of people when they stop to consider the implications of someone as disastrously unqualified possibly assuming the office of President.

Fro now untill November Obama/Biden need to hammer McCain as untit to serve based on judgemnet.

Posted by: Saint Zak on August 30, 2008 at 10:44 AM | PERMALINK

Well said Jennifer. Well said.

Posted by: Keith on August 30, 2008 at 10:44 AM | PERMALINK

But everyone who isn't supporting Obama is laughing profusely and justifiably about the hypocrisy of this line of attack.

Jen - if people question Palin's "experience" in the traditionally understood sense, then it doesn't really help Obama.

But it's not about experience, which translates to how long you've been hanging around in a place where you could pick up important knowledge and develop good judgment by learning from your mistakes. There's also the question of interest in the subject.

There is no doubt in my mind that people will intuitively understand that Obama has far more knowledge and interest in foreign policy than Palin. They need only examine her own statements ("I haven't paid much attention to Iraq"). She may be a talented executive, maybe even more talented than McCain, but Alaska has fewer people than the city where Obama was a community organizer, and Palin's record as an executive is less than stellar.

What judgment can either McCain or Palin point to that makes the case that their approach to our complex geopolitical environment would be superior to Obama/Biden? That's the real question.

I trust Obama/Biden to make that clear over the next several weeks.

McCain has chosen to go the culture war route. That's what this is about. There is really no net gain or loss on the personality issues. So now both tickets are historical and both have experienced Washington insiders and young, untested outsiders. What does that leave to talk about? Policy and ideology. The Dems want to focus on their policy and how it affects everyday Americans. The Republicans want to focus on ideology and how it demonstrates that the Democrats "aren't like you and me."

It's worked every other time it has been tried. I want to believe this time will be different because people are more concerned with the reality they face day-to-day than preserving some abstract self-image (I'm a Christian, I'm a Patriot, I'm AMERICAN). But Obama/Biden have their work cut out for them.

The last thing they need to do is focus on Palin too much. They should simply ignore her and stick to the ground game. It CAN work. Whether it will work depends a bit on luck and a lot on their ability to not get sidetracked.

The Palin choice was brilliant if it serves to sidetrack Obama. This will be the true test of his leadership style. Can he stick with strategy and ignore spectacular tactical assaults? He finally prevailed against Clinton's tactical assaults, so maybe he can. I also think having Hill and Bill on the campaign trail will help quite a bit. This is the type of gamesmanship they are masters of. Obama needs to focus on his message and keeping the new recruites engaged and excited.

Stay on target Obama!

Posted by: lobbygow on August 30, 2008 at 10:47 AM | PERMALINK

jen f and SJRSM - if you are both suggesting with a straight face that there is no difference between someone who has spent the past 4 years dealing with the current wars and other foreign policy issues as a legislator and someone who has been governor of a small population state for 20 months, whose office did not in any way call upon her to make any decisions regarding war or foreign relations, nor any reason to become informed upon such matters, then I feel completely comfortable with disregarding your opinions on this matter.
Posted by: Jennifer

We're comparing someone who has never been an executive of anything to someone who is running a state that in fact has its own National Guard. And how many years of experience in the Senate did Obama have when he announced his run? Here, I'll help you. Two.

Hey, either she's a politician savant and the smartest pick ever or she's Harriet Miers. We'll find out soon enough when she starts talking. But every accusation of inexperience gets reflected back on Obama, who hasn't done squat and he won't get a warmup period in the box like Palin would. We'll just have to cross our fingers on him.

Posted by: SJRSM on August 30, 2008 at 10:51 AM | PERMALINK

It's so good to see that Repukeliscum basically don't care about ethical taint. This woman is dirty. She is such a typical Repukeliscum that she hasn't waited for high office to start abusing power. She is a pre-power power abuser.

Amazing. The Repukeliscum just don't care about this stuff.

For the Repukeliscum, note that a Democrat is in charge of the investigation into the scummy little abuse of power investigation in Alaska. Woo boy, that's gonna be some fun.

Posted by: POed Lib on August 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM | PERMALINK

Open your eyes a bit. We loyal Democrats all think Obama is more qualified. But to the undecided voters, saying he is more qualified than Governor Palin is parsing "is". This is not a wise line of attack. Palin's incredibly archaic and destructive opinions are a much better line of attack. We, after all, are not the ones who need to be convinced.

Posted by: jen f on August 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM | PERMALINK

VOTE DIGBY-CLARK-2008---VOTE THE INTERNET knowledge and experience, educated and honorable.

Posted by: Mike Meyer on August 30, 2008 at 10:54 AM | PERMALINK

If you review Obama’s tenure at Harvard Law Review, you will find that he did not write anything.

If you review Obama’s acceptance speech, you will find out that he did not say anything. He read it. Watch his eyes. They are 20 degrees up and 45 degrees to the left or right during the parts of substance. It is kind of creepy.

Sarah Palin gave a decent acceptance speech yesterday. Watch her eyes. She was speaking.

If the Democrats want to win, they cannot attack Sarah. Attacks will drive unattractive women to John McCain.

Posted by: Brick Oven Bill on August 30, 2008 at 10:54 AM | PERMALINK

Hey lookie here y'all! PUMA is starting a new Par-Tay!

Guess this means they don't like Sarah either.

Posted by: MsMuddled on August 30, 2008 at 10:54 AM | PERMALINK

Obama has spent years getting ready for the Presidency. He knows his shit. How much time has Sarah Palin spent preparing? 24 hours? 48?

Posted by: Chris O. on August 30, 2008 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

The issue isn't Palin's inexperience. It's McCain's reckless gamble in picking someone who is a total wild card and whom he met once --- most people are hired for minor office jobs with more thorough scrutiny than Palin got. There is a thoughtful and deliberate candidate for President and there's a reckless one. I thought McCain's strategy was to sell Obama as a dangerous choice, but he's making a strong case that Obama would be the safe option for President.

Posted by: paul on August 30, 2008 at 10:56 AM | PERMALINK

Experience is not just about formal training.

Obama gave a thoughtful and prescient speech on Iraq six years ago. Palin said last year that she wasn't paying enough attention to Iraq to have an opinion on the surge. Obama was nominated after a year and a half of traveling the country, debating the top leaders of the Democratic Party, and winning 18 million votes. Palin was chosen by McCain after meeting her twice because he wanted to be a maverick and Karl Rove didn't ket him have Joe Lieberman.

It's insulting to the intelligence to even compare them.

Posted by: Give Me A Break on August 30, 2008 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

oh for goodness sake: of course it's hugely different being a senator and being a governor, and if i hear one more idiot talking about the alaska national guard....

the initial camp obama reaction was fine: it noted that she's a smalltimer and it noted that she is a movement right-winger. both are legitimate critiques, and both should be used.

but the biggest critique is the idea that john mccain would select someone he barely knows to be one heartbeat from the presidency: the lack of judgement and gravitas in that kind of decision-making is apalling and the american public will gradually pick up on it over the weekend.

meanwhile, since this pick means that the gop can't make the experience argument, we're going to go back to the presumptuous argument any hour now: i'm sure all the speakers for next week are busy updating their text!

Posted by: howard on August 30, 2008 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

...someone who is running a state that in fact has its own National Guard.

Oh, thank you for bringing that up! Please tell us, when was the last time a governor declared war on a foreign country and mobilized their state's National Guard into invading said country?

What? Never, you say? Then why do you bring it up? It's meaningless.

And how many years of experience in the Senate did Obama have when he announced his run? Here, I'll help you. Two.

Hey, that's a fun game! How many years of experience did Palin have as commander of the Alaska National Guard when Obama announced his run? Here, I'll help you. None.

Hey, this is fun!

Posted by: Jennifer on August 30, 2008 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

"Attacks will drive unattractive women to John McCain."


Pig.

Posted by: MsMuddled on August 30, 2008 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

This is crazy... she IS NOT qualified... runnign the economics of 9,000 people cannot compare to that of 300 million people.

The truth about Obama's foreign affairs judgment is that in the past 2 years EVERY idea he has put out there as his assessment of what is happening in the world has been 100 accurate...

Time line for Iraq, Afghanistan is the real hot spot, engage in aggressive diplomatic talks with Iran, intitiate specific and targeted strikes on the Pakistan border to root out AlQaeda... everything he has said is coming to pass...

THAT my friend IS good judgment. What McCain has done in apoointing this non-experienced woman is reckless and crazy... simply shameful.

Posted by: nerakami on August 30, 2008 at 11:01 AM | PERMALINK

Hey libtards, keep whistling past the graveyard. We are so loving your dismissal of Gov. Palin! It will make the victory so much sweeter.
Posted by: Crusader

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and then any actually intelligent person wonders what the fuck has happened to our country .. it is exactly reflected in the comments from repiglican hemmorids as above than answers , sadly, this question ...

Posted by: stormskies on August 30, 2008 at 11:02 AM | PERMALINK

Brick Oven Bill,

Believe it or not, attack Governor Palin on the issues and women will listen. Continue being condescending by talking about the quality of her voice and her looks and you do risk alienating women. I am alienated by the sexism on the left but I will be voting for Obama because the survival of our country depends upon keeping McCain out of office and shifting the direction of our policies.

Posted by: jen f on August 30, 2008 at 11:03 AM | PERMALINK

Vice-presidency or internship?

Either way, a great day for Vaginal-Americans.

Posted by: Zak44 on August 30, 2008 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

What has John McCain actually done that qualifies him to be President? He hasn't shown any particular skill at diplomacy - look at the comments from his own party about what a dick he is. He hasn't shown any particular skill at foreign policy - "bomb, bomb, bomb..." isn't foreign policy, it's just the kind of mindless jingoism instilled in simpleminded bomber pilots. His anti-corruption credentials are pretty thin too - for all his claims, what exactly did he do to put Abramoff and the rest of his Republican cronies in jail?

Hell, the Republicans passed him over 8 years ago for a guy with the thinnest resume imaginable - a guy whose only qualification was "my daddy was President" and then McCain blindly followed every idiotic thing Bush wanted.

McCain, a good follower. Palin, a...well, she hasn't done anything at all. A team for a new tomorrow - if by "new tomorrow" you mean "the same failed policies Republicans always offer."

Posted by: the on August 30, 2008 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

Where are the big guns, the Republican stalwarts, the marquee names of the party? Days before Obama made his announcemnet, there was a real buzz over Joe Bidden. Not because the secret was let out, but because they made a compelling team....beyond the election. Democrats immediately lauded the choice, and even Republican senators came out with positive statements. Has anyone heard a reaction from major Republicans beyond the McCain campaign, itself? This is serious business, and perhaps right now the media is treating it like a circus sideshow, but I think its clear many Republican officials can't be happy. I predict we will see some major names in the Republican Party wash their hands of John McCain.

Posted by: Saint Zak on August 30, 2008 at 11:08 AM | PERMALINK

Wow, there's a whole heap of new trolls today. Word must be out from HQ that there's double McPoints towards McGifts if you troll on behalf of Palin.

It's an embarrassing choice. Of course Romney's campaign - and the others - are not going to publicly admit they gave McCain the brush-off, but I'm increasingly convinced they did.

I think she's smart enough to hold her own in front of the camera, and perform adequately against Biden (as long as she does her foreign policy homework).

But I think she's been vetted in 5 minutes flat because they never expected to be turned down by all the others. Whether an illiberal press corp can tear itself away from the BBQ long enough to find out the real story is another matter.

Posted by: Rapid Eddie on August 30, 2008 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

While unexpected exigencies could thrust a VP Palin into the presidency, I wonder about the much more prosaic occurrence of Hon. Sen. McCain's regularly scheduled maintenance. The VP needs to be in charge whenever the President goes under sedation. Can these times be kept secret adequately? If not, it would seem the perfect time for potential malefactors to act.

Posted by: jhm on August 30, 2008 at 11:10 AM | PERMALINK

One way to cut through the hype is for reporters ask her supporters to compare her knowledge, background, etc. as compared to their own.

Ask Lindsey Graham if how her foreign policy experience compares to his.

Or just ask them why she was a better choice for VP than they would have been.

BTW: where in the hell are Romney and Paulenty?

Posted by: tomj on August 30, 2008 at 11:11 AM | PERMALINK

I'd love to hear some enterprising political reporter who travels with the McCain campaign to ask the senator, "In the event of a tragedy or national calamity, and a President McCain were unable to carry out his duties, who does John McCain believe is the single best, most trustworthy, most capable, most reliable person in the entire United States to lead the free world?"

Seems like an important question doesn't it?
It is the sort of thing you'd expect a functioning media to ask.

Bhe fact that you had to put enterprising before reporter shows:

1) How un-enterprising big media has become.

2) The value of McCain's POW card. Now we know why Rove has decided to play it long and hard. All he needs is a few drones like Brokaw to set it in stone, and we will be electing a candidate that doesn't have to answer hard questions before he gets elected. Can you imagine the softballs and free passes he gets after he gets in? Wow.

Posted by: ROTFLMLiberalAO on August 30, 2008 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

McCain is going to teach Palin about foreign affairs ? Shouldn't Joe Lieberman just whisper in her ear and eliminate the whole middleman thing ?

Posted by: Art P on August 30, 2008 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

McCain is going to teach Palin about foreign affairs ? Shouldn't Joe Lieberman just whisper in her ear and eliminate the whole middleman thing ?

Posted by: Art P on August 30, 2008 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

jen f;

I respectfully disagree. Identity politics has been allowed to take root. Over the past few months, I have had the opportunity to be in the presence of daytime TV. The wife frequents ‘Lifetime’, so that is sometimes on in the background.

The theme is always the same. Stalker/Cheater/Mean Guy targets the lady with a young family. Hero man comes to the rescue. This is the format because this is what catches female attention and sells soap. The last thing the Democrats want to become is the Stalker/Cheater/Mean Guy.

“Alaska Dude” is there to come to the rescue.

Posted by: Brick Oven Bill on August 30, 2008 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

I just hope she is a better shot with a gun than Cheney.

Posted by: Teris on August 30, 2008 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

@ Rapid Eddie "they never expected to be turned down by all the others." I think you may have nailed it. The lack of comments from the "other contenders says a lot. I could well imagine in their machinations about future events , they would hope that Obama would tank after trying to fix the impossible mess left by Bush (AP headline Jan 21 2009 "Obama a do nothing president nothing fixed yet - economy still in shambles") Not one of them wants to be associated with the looser that is John McCrazy.

Posted by: on August 30, 2008 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK

It's an embarrassing choice. Of course Romney's campaign - and the others - are not going to publicly admit they gave McCain the brush-off, but I'm increasingly convinced they did.

That's silly. Romney's and/or Pawlenty's people were leaking like crazy yesterday about how pissed their guy was to have been strung along. It was blatantly obvious that Romney really wanted it, and Pawlenty obviously was very interested as well. No way either of them turned it down.

This was McCain taking a wild risk totally out of the blue because he knew he was behind and wanted to shake things up.

Posted by: John on August 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

Obama now has vastly more foreign experience that George W. Bush when he swore the oath of office.

Obama has immensely more knowledge about the rest of the world (leaders, locations, factions, issues than Bush had, and probably more than Bush has know.

Obama also seems to know more about the rest of the world, notwithstanding the fact that McCain has been to lots of places and declared himself to be an expert on such matters. However, it remains to be determined how many of McCain's ignorant assertions about such illusions as Iraq-Al Qaida friendliness, Shia-Sunni reasonableness, the reality of Czechoslovakia, and the Iraq-Pakistan border are due to slips of the tongue as opposed to incipient senility.

Notwithstanding all that, knowledge and experience are less important than good judgement. Obama had the intelligence and judgement to realize that that the Iraq invasion was a bad idea, and that Bush was not to be trusted. That's really all one needs to know.

The Republicans have previously foisted on us a president who blows off crucial warnings about imminent attacks, determines who America can rely on by looking into their eyes and percieving their souls, considers it OK to lie to drag America into an unnecessary and hideously wrong war, fucks up said war once he started it, and basically pisses off all our longterm allies. The Republicans now propose to give us a president who combines the memory skills of Reagan, the instincts and knowledge of Bush, and the class consciousness of Marie Antoinette, someone who doesn't even have the judgement to have learned after years of being tortured that torture is a bad thing.

If the Republicans win this one, America will be completely screwed, and will deserve it.

Posted by: N.Wells on August 30, 2008 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK

“Joe Lieberman? Tom Ridge? Lindsey Graham? Dick Lugar? John Warner? No, it's Sarah Palin.”

Al Gore went up ten points after he kissed Tipper in an awkward way at the convention. Just wait until Biden takes a cheap shot at Sarah, and Todd, the broken-arm endurance snowmobile champion, father of five, including an army infantryman, defends his wife’s honor.

Checkmate.

Posted by: Brick Oven Bill on August 30, 2008 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK

John McCain's first executive Decision, Sarah Palin. shows he cares nothing for this Country, is incompetent, and is not ready to lead. With all our economic problems, threats of terrorism, he picks someone with much less executive experience than Barack Obama, who by the way was 10 years in the state senate before being elected to the U.S. Senate (a bio very similar to Lincoln who is considered one of our greatest if not the greatest President we have ever had), and which takes away McCain's most ardent argument to date that Barack is an empty suit! Is this another Alan Keyes moment when GOP put up Mr. Keyes to run against Barack in Illinois just because he was Black?

In her speech on Friday, they already have Gov. Palin "lying" to the American people that she was always against the Bridge to Nowhere, however recorded information will prove that this is not accurate and that she was for the Bridge to Nowhere, before she was against it!

"According to the Ketchikan Daily News edition on August 8, 2006, this is what Sarah Palin rushed over to tell the voters of Ketchikan during the primary election campaign:
'People across the nation struggle with the idea of building a bridge because they’ve been under these misperceptions about the bridge and the purpose,' said Palin, who described the link as the Ketchikan area’s potential for expansion and growth. Palin said Alaska’s congressional delegation worked hard to obtain funding for the bridge as part of a package deal and that she 'would not stand in the way of the progress toward that bridge.'” AND

according to the Ketchikan Daily News on September 29, 2006 this is what Sarah Palin rushed over to tell the voters of Ketchikan during the general election campaign:
'Part of my agenda is making sure that Southeast is heard. That your projects are important. That we go to bat for Southeast when we’re up against federal influences that aren’t in the best interest of Southeast.' She cited the widespread negative attention focused on the Gravina Island crossing project. 'We need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table like the bridge and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that’s so negative,' Palin says"
Taken from Blogger AndrewHalcro.com

Not only is Palin less experienced and less qualified than Barack, she seems to lack the intellectual curiosity, or unwillingness, and depth to probe and understand the important and complexing problems/issues knocking at our door today. For example, "What is it exactly that the vice president does all day?" Palin offhandedly asked CNBC anchor Larry Kudlow in July. And when asked about her stance on Iraq by Alaskan Daily Palin answers "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments"! Does this show someone who is ready for Prime Time! And, was she truly vetted? Sarah/McCain get ready for she is about to come under the "media" microscope!

McCain’s VP pick also shows a disdain for this country because if something were to unfortunately happen to McCain, Sarah Palin would be our next President of the United States. Can you imagine in her that role? This proves two things in my mind, McCain’s lack of love for this country and that he does not have the judgment to lead this country at this most profound time.

Some in the media call it Historic but in reality Is this decision Historic or Hysterical and a mockery to our political system? Some in the media label it a game changer but is it really a roll of the dice? And should a Presidential candidate play Russian roulette with the people's business? It is telling of McCain's character and judgment that with all the problems we face here today, he did not have the People's interest at heart in this V.P. pick but rather a desire to win for winnings sake and did not think of the consequences of his actions or maybe did not care what it would mean for this country if she were to be sworn in as President of the United States! And, ironically, the very things he accused Barack of being (which he is not) -- empty suit, no experience -- he got in his own V.P. Pick, Sarah Palin!

In McCain's/GOP's calculated ploy to pull Hillary women from Barack without consideration as to whether or not this woman has the ability and experience to lead the United States here and on a world scale shows a lack of sound judgment and it also shows that McCain is NOT READY TO LEAD in the 21st Centruy and is not serious about solving the monumental problems which must be faced -- problems which need serious thinking and not strategic games.

McCain's pick of Sarah Palin, a woman with very little executive experience, a woman who has approved a 26 billion dollar oil pipeline to a Canadian business instead of a business here in the United States, a woman who the Alaskan legislature approved a $100,000 investigation into her motivations in firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, on the allegations that Monegan's firing was the result of his refusal to fire Mike Wooten, a trooper who is Palin's former brother-in-law." has proven to the world how really pathetic the Republican party has become that they will try any trick in the book to keep the power in the hands of big oil and special interest and out of the hands of the people where it belongs.

Posted by: Angellight on August 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

Really? She's going to sit at the "feet of the Master" and learn foreign policy? That's the funniest thing I've heard in the past week. What a picture that makes! But seriously, is this the same "Master" who can't explain the difference between Sunni and Shia? The same "Master" who forgets The Czech Republic now exists? The same "Master" who wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years? I feel sorry for Sarah Palin.

The whole question of experience was brought up by the McCain campaign, not Obama. The Dems don't really need to say anything more about Sarah Palin, ignore her and keep the focus on McCain and his lack of judgment, reckless temperament, and Bushmanship.

Posted by: SN on August 30, 2008 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

@ N Wells Thank you for the best summation if I have read concerning Grandpa- worth repeating
"The Republicans now propose to give us a president who combines the memory skills of Reagan, the instincts and knowledge of Bush, and the class consciousness of Marie Antoinette, someone who doesn't even have the judgement to have learned after years of being tortured that torture is a bad thing."
Screw Palin - she is just an anecdote that give the blovating talking heads something to fill their endless hours of air time.
Just keep hitting Grandpa McCoy until his head explodes. I believe that after the 38 million who tuned in for Obama's acceptance , we may see good numbers for the debates. This hopefully will give Grandpa enough rope to hang himself.

Posted by: on August 30, 2008 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

Biden won't take a cheap shot at Sarah. He won't need to and he isn't that kind of guy anyway. Her debate performance will be a case of self-immolation.

Posted by: Pug on August 30, 2008 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK

Checkmate

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Posted by: John on August 30, 2008 at 11:50 AM | PERMALINK

We're comparing someone who has never been an executive of anything

Like John McCain?

to someone who is running a state that in fact has its own National Guard.

Unless Palin has somehow commanded the Alaska National Guard in overseas combat operations against Canada or Alaska -- which I'm not saying she hasn't, I may have missed it, I have been very busy at work -- I'm not sure what the relevance of this is.

Posted by: Stefan on August 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK

All this talk of Obama and Palin as being equally inexperienced is really laughable. Obama served in the Illinois State Senate, and has been a US Senator dealing with national issues. He's been to Iraq and Afghanistan, and has proposed new plans to deal with those wars. He made a historic speech against the Iraq war before the war began, when he was running for Senate. He has run a very long campaing that defeated the media's presumtive nominee who had more name recognition and resources. He was the democratic keynote speaker in 2004. He's debated national issues in front of the nation 30 times. He's been on the national and world stage and met with foreign leaders. He has developed specific policies to change the nation. He received millions of votes and was selected by democrats to lead the party. He's been indorsed by all of the major democratic leaders. And he's the first African-American candidate to be nominated for president by a national party.

Now, what has Sarah Palin accomplished? Govenor, for less than 2 years, of one of the smallest populated states, and mayor of a town of 7,000.

Posted by: James G on August 30, 2008 at 12:06 PM | PERMALINK

I have a serious point to make, so please ignore the obvious jokes. We talk about how unsuitable Palin would be to take over from President McCain, but what would happen if death or political or mental incapacity forced McCain out of the race after the Convention but before the election.

The Republicans would already be 'on record' as saying that Palin was suitable to be VP -- which implies 'suitable to be President in case of President McCain's death or disability.' Wouldn't they have to, therefore, give the nomination to her?

Do any of her defenders want to seriously argue that she would make a good candidate for President, NOW -- not in 4 years, but NOW?

Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on August 30, 2008 at 12:09 PM | PERMALINK

I've got to say, if Pennsylvania Avenue ever develops a marauding bears problem, Sarah Palin's the person that I want on the case. For marauding Russians, not so much.

Posted by: N,Wells on August 30, 2008 at 12:21 PM | PERMALINK

So after whipping themselves into a hysterical fussy fit over Obama's supposed "celebrity", the Republicans pick...a beauty pageant contestant.

Which I guess is kind of like being a celebrity, only without the gravitas or accomplishment.

Posted by: Stefan on August 30, 2008 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK

Are we sure that Black was referring to McCain when he talked about the foreign policy master? A more frightening possibility is that he meant Cheney.

Posted by: rege on August 30, 2008 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

Question for John McCain for an enterprising report (I know, I know):

"Senator McCain, you've maintained that the fight against Islamist extremism is the transcendent issue of our time, and that in fact we're engaged in WWIII right now. Given that, and given the other recent international crises we've been facing across the globe, who do you think is tougher and more qualified to go head to head with Osama bin Laden, Mahmoud Ahmadinejaz, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Jong Il: Joe Biden -- or Sarah Palin? Feel free to take a minute before answering, Senator....."

Posted by: Stefan on August 30, 2008 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

McCain or his aides won't have to say it with a straight face unless one of the MSMemia has the balls and independence to ask. Maybe, but we might have to push them.

Posted by: Neil B on August 30, 2008 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK

Here's Palin learning national security at the feet (yuck) of the master:
Palin: Cut that shit out.
McCain: No, no. More snarl.
Palin: Cut that SHIT OUT.
McCain: Good. Good.

That's Just What I Said

Posted by: Dale on August 30, 2008 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

Sit at the feet of the master and learn policy.Hmmmm,a photoshop of John and Sarahs faces on the image of Jabba the Hut with Princess Lea chained and reclined comes to mind .INTERTUBES MAKE IT SO.

Posted by: on August 30, 2008 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

Now, now, the precedent for Republican straight-facism was set by Bush pere in 1991 when he said Clarence Thomas was the most qualified candidate for the U.S.Supreme Court. McCain simply needs to rehearse by viewing that video a few times. If he can keep from laughing at Bush, Sr., he can manage over Palin.

Posted by: biosparite on August 30, 2008 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

I am a female physician. The pro-life rhetoric regarding this candidate is not very credible. I am pretty sure that the only way that the Governor could have known for CERTAIN before birth that her baby had Down's was if she had an amniocentesis or similar prenatal diagnostic genetic procedure. These ELECTIVE procedures diagnose genetic abnormalities in advance. If you knew that you would never terminate a pregnancy under any circumstances you would not elect have these procedures as there is a small risk to the fetus and the mother. The governor decided not to terminate which is completely individual,difficult, and in many ways admirable decision.The point is: SHE HAD THE FREEDOM TO MAKE A CHOICE NOT TO TERMINATE HER PREGNANCY!!!!!

Posted by: DeeDee on August 30, 2008 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, that's a fun game! How many years of experience did Palin have as commander of the Alaska National Guard when Obama announced his run? Here, I'll help you. None.

More fun games. How many government posts has Obama had where the buck truly stops at his desk? Held an executive position where he in fact is THE boss? Here I'll help you. None.

OK, so he's a legislator, got a hand on the Ouija board. How many important pieces of legislature has Obama crafted during his tenure as a Senator? How many "Obama - XXX Bills"? More help...none.

The guy is a series of speeches. He can talk the talk. I have my fingers crossed that he will be able to walk the walk.

Posted by: on August 30, 2008 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

As much as we are upset about all the things above, there is also an institutional issue that is horrifying. This "fourth branch" that Cheney, Addington et al. have not only espoused but embedded--in ways that we may not ever dislodge-- reflects a change in how the OFFICE of VP is configured; is this person now the inheritor of that power?

Posted by: barbara feinberg on August 30, 2008 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINK

How many important pieces of legislature has Obama crafted during his tenure as a Senator? How many "Obama - XXX Bills"? More help...none.

How odd. You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Perhaps you need some help?:

Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation Signed into Law by the President
Thursday, January 11, 2007

Date: January 11, 2007

Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation Signed into Law by the President

WASHINGTON – President Bush today signed the Lugar-Obama proliferation and threat reduction initiative into law.

Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.

Posted by: Stefan on August 30, 2008 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

Bill Would Reform Treatment of Wounded Vets
Thursday, March 1, 2007
The Army Times
By Rick Maze

In the wake of the continuing scandal over the housing and medical evaluation process for wounded service members at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, House and Senate Democrats have unveiled a sweeping bill promising comprehensive reforms of how combat veterans and their families are treated.

Called the Dignity for Wounded Warriors Act, the bill would mandate housing standards for the wounded, overhaul disability review boards, require one caseworker for every 20 recovering service members, extend job protections for service members to include family members who are at their side during recovery, demand that an ombudsmen be available around the clock by phone and in any hospital with more than 100 patients, and create a new independent oversight board to monitor how recovering service members are treated.

Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, a Democratic presidential candidate and a Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee member who is the chief sponsor of the bill, said it is designed to “not only fix problems at Walter Reed but improve conditions at other hospitals.”

“We think this is a comprehensive bill,” he said.

http://obama.senate.gov/news/070301-bill_would_refo/

Posted by: Stefan on August 30, 2008 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

Of course, if you're really interested Andrew Sullivan has compiled a comprehensive list of Obama's legislative accomlishments here:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/02/dear-chris-matt.html

Posted by: Stefan on August 30, 2008 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

How many government posts has Obama had where the buck truly stops at his desk? Held an executive position where he in fact is THE boss?

Uh....exactly as many as John McCain?

Posted by: Stefan on August 30, 2008 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

You ReThugs just don't get it.

It was McCAIN who was ragging on the "experience" issue.

It is now NEUTRALIZED. You won't see the Dems pushing it. They'll push on their same old issues, along with the implications of what McCain did: "he thinks women are so stupid they'll vote for another woman no matter her position on issues important to women and families."

Posted by: CalGal on August 30, 2008 at 7:39 PM | PERMALINK

McCain's only hope is that enough old-fashioned American racism kicks in at the polls to keep Obama from getting the Presidency.
Posted by: Del Capslock
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He's got to go full-on N-WORD at this point!

And -

I want to know...

How many doctor's opinions McCain has received?
What the campaign considers "most"?
How many suggested his health is poor?
Who these doctors are and their individual determinations?
What order they were visited in?

Posted by: TBone on August 30, 2008 at 7:40 PM | PERMALINK


You know, Charlie Black's reasoning is sound.

Also, most doctors say I'll be around for at least another couple of years, so I'm canceling my life insurance. I don't think I'm going to get in a car accident in the next couple years either, so I'm going to also cancel my auto insurance.

Thanks, McCain! Saving the middle class money already with sound advice and supreme leadership!

Posted by: Tom Dibble on August 30, 2008 at 8:36 PM | PERMALINK

The Republicans now propose to give us a president who combines the memory skills of Reagan, the instincts and knowledge of Bush, and the class consciousness of Marie Antoinette, someone who doesn't even have the judgement to have learned after years of being tortured that torture is a bad thing.

Well said!

Posted by: Lucy on August 30, 2008 at 9:21 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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