Seceding, not succeeding.

"But now that this revelation has come to light, what's the defense?"

Gramps was brainwashed.

What's the defense? That the rumors about Trig being her own grandson were warped, therefore the rumors about her ties to the AIP are exaggerated.

Consulting fee, please.

I think you mean "seceding"

the defense will be "times change, and people change with them."

i actually don't think this will be a big deal for that reason, but you never know....

And let's not forget, if Palin's affiliation with AIP means that she also has fiery 'hate for the American government', then so must McCain. Palin and McCain are soulmates, after all.

Viva Aztlaska!

Senator McCain, if being a secessionist when a candidate first seeks public office, and continuing to encourage the secessionist party as governor, is not a disqualification for the vice presidency: what WOULD be?

VOTE DIGBY-CLARK-2008---VOTE THE INTERNET sane and sensible.
VOTE JONATHAN VERSEN FOR TEXAS US SENATOR-2008---VOTE THE INTERNET dedicated to the People of Texas.

"Party of Lincoln", my a**! Man, you almost have to want to lose if you pick a former secessionist as your running mate.

Sarah Palin, the gift that keeps on giving. If this continues Obama will break 60%.

I wonder how many professional Republicans in the noise machine are going to damage their careers pushing Palin's association with the AIP? Probably some, but watch them fall away.

So how do we get this into the MSM? I have seen a few mentions of this in print but so far nothing on the TV networks. The media are clearly aware of the issue but are still dancing around it.

I am growing concerned that the MSM frenzy will spend itself on dangerous ground (Palin's family) without ever getting to the more damaging issues like the AIP.

on the other hand. McCain/Palin just locked up the John Birch Society vote. . .

That guy who vetted her so carefully must have been drunk.

Sheer lunacy! And I love it!

sven, keep tuned to CNN *Grill* on now. John Roberts is not giving any spin-ster a pass!

I'm so impressed.

Steve: it's Joe, not John, Vogler.

"But now that this revelation has come to light, what's the defense?"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
POW! POW! POW!!

What's the defense? It's obvious - Dems and liberals are sexist!

Oh, and did you know that McCain was a POW?

We are, after all, talking about a party founded by a man who said, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." The same man, AIP founder John Vogler, also said, "[T]he fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American government."

He and Reverend Wright should hang out together.

She can get out of being a member in 94-96 because of the ever-popular "youthful indiscretion" ploy.

But it should be a lot harder for her to explain sending them a video-taped message of support - in 2008.

Sort of as if Lincoln had sent a message of support to Jeff Davis in 1861: "I've always thought that competition is so good!"

Seceding, not succeeding.

Oops. Typos fixed throughout.

Bu-but Obama is a Manchurian Muslim!

I seem to recall one of her first comments re: being VP was something along the lines of being able to do a lot for Alaska.

I know I read it here. Pity the search function works as well as RPI.

Shorter Mike: quick! Look over there!

Of course, the Revered Wright was a Marine Corps private and after being honorably discharged fom the Marines then reinlisted as a medical corpsman in the Navy, where he was assigned to the medical team taking of President Johnson at Bethesda (obviously a position of great trust and responsibility) so I don't think Wright's willingness to serve and fight for his country is in any question -- unlike Palin, who doesn't seem to have fully made up her mind as which country she really wants to be a part of.

SJRSM: "He and Reverend Wright should hang out together."

Not likely. Vogler is long dead.

You can't compare Wright to Vogler. Wright is a preacher doing his job by condemning American hypocrisy. His famous screed was entirely consistent with Christian precepts. Further, Wright served honorably in the US miltary.

Vogler, on the other hand, is a self-proclaimed enemy of the United States.

Big difference.

In principle, I am not opposed to secession. I have raised secession as a possible option in discussion with liberal friends, something to be considered by a federal union of states that no longer can agree on a shared identity or the common good. I think in many ways, the U.S. is there. And if we could somehow jettison the Enlarged Prostate known as Texas, we should do so.

At the same time, most secessionist parties are huge havens for extreme people, as demonstrated by Volger's statements. I also find it interesting when a person with secessionist sympathies would accept an invitation to run as vice president. I would think if you are truly working for secession, your primary goal should be to preparing your state for independence, not locking yourself into a government you despise. Granted, I am describing Republicans in general...

"Party of Lincoln", my a**! Man, you almost have to want to lose if you pick a former secessionist as your running mate.
Posted by: Mark Kawakam

Let's hope they lose. They're the party of Lincoln Logs and a few sad-assed Logcabin Republicans.

That's Just What I Said

the defense will be "times change, and people change with them."
i actually don't think this will be a big deal for that reason, but you never know....
Posted by: howard

She taped a welcoming message for their convention this year, so obviously Palin in particular hasn't changed that much. I assume this was before her name began arising in the VP discussion, any idiot should know not to associate themselves with an anti-American party when they're looking to become the American VP.

It's the kind of idea that would have been more common in the 1850s.

Well, and the Southern Strategy.

It's pure post-Nixon/George Wallace GOP.

I think this is the proverbial straw. There is no way that this can be defended, none whatsoever.

I see that some operatives are trying to deflect with Ayers, Bill. But that won't fly - she's a member of a group that says "I've got no use for America or her institutions"

If she makes it past next Friday I'd be VERY surprised.

This matter is complicated even further by her active pursuit of earmarks from the federal government when she was a mayor. She could argue that her hiring of a lobbyist to gain federal funds for her town is a sign of her support of the nation, but then she is reminding us that she pursued (and obtained) millions of dollars from the federal government. Does the AIP plan to take as much money as possible from our government and then run with it if Alaska gains independence? What is Sarah Palin's current position on Alaska's potential sovereignty? Will she buy me a new flag for my front porch if our flag loses a star? I have a really nice one that has embroidered stars, and I would want one of comparable quality as a replacement. Oh, and if Alaska obtains independence, doesn't that mean we would be dependent on foreign oil even more so than currently?

any idiot should know not to associate themselves with an anti-American party when they're looking to become the American VP.

Yes, but as is becoming increasingly apparent, Sarah Palin is not just any idiot.

"But now that this revelation has come to light, what's the defense?"

D'oh!

The bigger picture here is as Governor would she assume leadership if they were successful in succession or worse, would she assume leadership if they were to succeed while she is the Vice President or possibly President of the United States ?

Talk about a real conflict of interest. I don't know anything about succession law, but could the president sign an executive order granting it ?

A guess we can officially call this gamble one of the worse McCain has ever made. I personally can wait for Fox News (Ducci in particular) to spin this one. As a member of the AIP they could try and claim her foreign policy experience was governor of Alaska.

How nice. Maybe now McCain can use Palin to corner the market on the key Confederate Zombie voting bloc.

"I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

Imperialism is the last stage of capitalism! Workers of the world unite!

I can live with that.

@The Answer WAS Orange: is this what you're referring to?

"As for that VP talk all the time. I tell ya, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me -- what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in this administration. We would want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S. before I can even start addressing that question."

You'd be surprised how big that VP job is, Kudlow said.

"Well this is a pretty cool job here too, though, as governor of Alaska," Palin replied.

Source:
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/512333.html

Zeitgeist - not so sure about the Birch Society vote.

There is a quote from Vogler on the AIP site dissing them as too liberal.

Sara Palin's views are stuck in the 50's. The 1850's.

McCain should be ashamed of himself for picking her as a VP candidate. States aren't allowed to secede, except for Florida.

She was just a kid... it's what kids in Alaska do... like smokin' pot and wearing funny clothes.

Yeah, AIM matters a lot (she isn't a member though, is she?) but Steve (always, like Kevin, the nerdy gentleman who won't bring up prickly personal subjects) you forgot something here:

There are quite a few contenders (ethics scandal, earmarks, inexperience, outside-the-mainstream views)...

Well, you didn't mention the pregnant daughter (since the "ethics scandal" is of course other things.) OK, so the campaigns and literal surrogates shouldn't harp on that (? - they would have decades ago, this "off limits" thing is a cynical modern invention more to help win elections than real "concern") - but you are under no such compunction. I still respect you guys for your choices, but it *does* matter when a social-conservative icon pick's daughter becomes pregnant out of wedlock, then the girl's mother says she's proud of the girl's "decision" (!) Well, that isn't what conservatives are supposed to think about such things, not pride. Not meanness, but not pride either.

A caller today to a local show complained about that, saying he's one of the old school who thinks it's 99% the parents' influence that determines what kids do about things like that. I don't agree, but it matters.

Check Sally Quinn today, making the same point:

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sally_quinn/2008/08/sarah_polin.html

So how is this any worse than driving a pickup with a confederate flag on it? Or many Texans' claim they can secede any time they want? It's shear maverickery, I tells ya.

This matter is complicated even further by her active pursuit of earmarks from the federal government when she was a mayor. She could argue that her hiring of a lobbyist to gain federal funds for her town is a sign of her support of the nation, but then she is reminding us that she pursued (and obtained) millions of dollars from the federal government.

Alaska is funky. Over 60% of its total land area is owned by the federal government way the heck down in the lower 48, with a huge part of that land grab coming back in the Carter days, i.e., recent memory, so you can imagine the love/hate going on with the feds there. They also see how important to it is to have politicians in power in the Senate and House, and earmarks as being some sort of payback.

OK, back on topic: we need to carefully tease out and candidly and honestly present (no cheating either way) in just what ways and concise sense Palin is "affiliated" with the Alaskan Independence Party - that term is such a sloppy moniker by itself. Sure, it's been discussed but good talking points need to be brief and have a good framing definition of what the person is up to.

Affiliation with groups like this is typically a bar to obtaining government security clearances (or at minimum makes it very difficult). Apparently the official government policy is we can't trust people like Sarah Palin.

Goes along with her and her husband not wanting her to deliver that baby in Texas. God forbid he would be anything other than an Alaskan! Just couldn't be identified as an American. These people are just fucking nuts, just like McCain.

Steve, I rarely criticize someone I consider the best political commenter going, but you really made an insultingly bad mistake by saying -- re Joe Vogler -- "How is this any better than Jeremiah Wright?"

Wright said, in one sermon, "God damn the United States" -- for not working harder for racial equality, for its poor and black citizens, etc. (Okay, his idea that the drug problem is a Government plot is crazy.) And Wm. Lloyd Garrison called the Constitution a covenant with hell, and burned it because it accepted slavery.

In each case they were 'rhetorical exaggerations' to make a point. Both were true patriots who loved their country and were acting along the line of 'if wrong, make it right.' Stefan, above gives details of Wright's service -- certainly the equal of McCain's as far as military matters go -- he just didn't get shot down and captured.

Condemning him, implying his is not a patriot, using one phrase in one sermon, without going on to say why he said it, is simply buying into the Republican/PUMA propaganda.

Vogler, on the other hand, seems sincere in his hatred for America and American Institutions -- based on a misguided right-libertarian position to give him the benefit of the doubt -- and a VP candidate who, so recently, sent a congratulatory letter to the party he founded and she belonged to does not deserve to be mentioned in the samew breath as does Rev. Wright.

Andrew.
For the record, Texas can succeed at any time, legally. It is one of many exceptions made so we would agree to join the Union.

We have the refineries and Big Oil, something you don't want to lose. So before you mock us, please the realize the world thinks we are a bunch of idiots because of Bush, the same is true for Texas.

In the video where she says she doesn't know what the VP does all day, she also says that before she would consider it she "wanted to be sure that the VP would be a fruitful kind of position, especially for Alaskans."

Country first?

It seems to me that she is very clearly interested in Alaska first.

Over 60% of [Alaska's] total land area is owned by the federal government way the heck down in the lower 48

...which, y'know, bought it from Russia in the first place.

OK Steve maybe I was too hard on you, you did post about the Palin girl's pregnancy (but didn't list it above.) BTW, so Sarah Palin is indeed a former member of the Alaskan Independence Party? That about settles her being too wacko. (Note: Drudge is not reporting on it! He must have a thing for her now, what a worthless hack.)
Worst. Vetting. Ever. (So how is that climbing on Google?)

However - it's still dangerous to assume that voters will rationally assess this and other factors about Palin and conclude she (and by extension, McCain) is not fit. George Lakoff writes of how voters "think" with their emotional brains, and here is a link where he warns of taking rational critique's role for granted about Palin:

http://www.alternet.org/election08/97193/

Thanks EvilPoet.

Let's hope the MSM starts asking if a person who doesn't want to be a U.S. citizen should be allowed to run for office.

And while we're at it, let's hope those flying pigs don't crap on us.

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Alaska only has THREE electoral votes? Why wasn't this factored into the mix by McCain. Stunning.

...which, y'know, bought it from Russia in the first place.

And spent billions of dollars building roads and bridges and schools and airports...

It seems very obvious that McCain has given up all pretense of being a person, he has been taken over by the neocons, of course he did not vet her, he wanted Lieberman and the neocons would not go for that. Grover Norquist & Co are the ones running the show, McCain does what he is told. Simple as that, and if by chance he gets elected, he will still do as he is told. Just like Bush, who was told by them to nominate the judges to the supreme court that are giving all this trouble to the country.

We have the refineries and Big Oil, something you don't want to lose.

you don't contribute much oil anymore (it's mostly foreign), and refineries can be built in other state--in fact they already have them. Besides, we won't need much oil at all soon enough, so go ahead and secede.
And don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, cuz I don't want ass prints on my good door!

Alaska: The Alabama of the Midnight Sun.

And spent billions of dollars building roads and bridges and schools and airports...
Posted by: Blue Girl

We bought the Louisiana Purchase too, yet somehow managed to not maintain control of 60% of the lands.

The 60% land grab was a recent thing, not a process of giving 40% to the people and keeping from the 60% bought from the Russkies. Ever had property taken under imminent domain? It tends not to endear you to the taker.

And spent billions of dollars building roads and bridges and schools and airports...

Wal-Mart* built a store in Juneau, which "required" the installation of a traffic light, which was installed on a highway.

Because it's a highway it's eligible for federal highway dollars--except the traffic light puts the kabosh on that. It can't have the traffic light and remain eligible for federal dollars.

Solution: build a multi-million dollar flyover from the highway to the Wal-Mart, the only thing to which the flyover will lead (except maybe the landfill, where you can see a resurgent American Bald Eagle population), or some really cool hiking spots.

If you ever meet Palin, ask her about the McDonald's in Juneau. All Alaskans know the story.

When at first you don't succede keep on sucking until you do succede.

It's practically impossible to make a "Country First" argument when your running mate is affiliated with a political party that puts country second.

It's just that her country is Alaska.

VIVA LA REVOLUCION DE ALASKA!

Let's play my favorite game, "What If It Was a Democrat?" and imagine that Barack Obama had been in any way "affiliated" with a political party that advocated Hawaii secede from the United States. And then just imagine the piggy squeals of outrage of all the conservatives who would have stomped their little $500 loafer clad feet in sheer outrage that such a traitor could even show his face in public, much less be considered for high office....

It isn't just Alaska - about half of Oregon is federal land, ditto Washington, Idaho, Montana...you get the picture.

Alaska is a state of less than 700,000 and every man, woman and child is a welfare recipient. Where is the conservative outrage about that?

We bought the Louisiana Purchase too, yet somehow managed to not maintain control of 60% of the lands.

Partly because in most of those states people actually live there. In Alaska, not so much.

Hey, if Alaska goes, can we go, too?

If this continues Obama will break 60%.

I certainly hope it does, since it will take a greater than 60:40 ass-whooping to put this election out of stealable range for the GOP.

-Z

We should send half of the population of NYC up there to live since they are on the dole now.

Just for the morons out there, New Yorkers pay more in taxes than they receive back from the federal government. Alaskans pay less in taxers than they receive back.

Or, in simpler terms, New Yorkers produce, Alaskans consume.

ooh, ooh, and now Texas can secede? We're definitely going when Texas goes.

Oh, wait a minute. If Texas goes, we might not need to. The rest of America looks pretty good without the state that gave us Dim Son.

And that border fence? We wouldn't have to pay for it.

Hmmmm. Choices, choices.

We have the refineries and Big Oil, something you don't want to lose.

Not a problem mi amigo. President McPOW will just invade to stop your WMD program.

As long as the news destroys the family of Sarah Palin the progressives will be happy.

Yeah, because Republicans would never, ever engage in politics of personal destruction. They wouldn't tie up the mechanisms of government for an impeachment over a blowjob....oh, wait. Well, they wouldn't engage in a whispering campaign that McCain's adopted South Asian daughter was an illegitimate black child...oh, wait. Well, at least McCain would never hire the jackass who did that to him...oh, wait.

Just for the record, Orwell, I'll settle for the destruction of Palin's national political career, and on that score she seems to be doing fine all by herself, and taking McCain down with her.

I'm sure that publication of the fact that they were former members of a secessionist party will tear apart the Palin family.
/snark off

Poor "Orwell" laments that facts have a liberal bias.

Better trolls, please.

if AIP wants to infiltrate the gubmint, why are they copping to Palin's membership? you'd think they'd be freaking thrilled.

We should send half of the population of NYC up there to live since they are on the dole now.

Here are some numbers from 2004:

1. D.C. ($6.17)
2. North Dakota ($2.03)
3. New Mexico ($1.89)
4. Mississippi ($1.84)
5. Alaska ($1.82)
6. West Virginia ($1.74)
7. Montana ($1.64)
8. Alabama ($1.61)
9. South Dakota ($1.59)
10. Arkansas ($1.53)

As you can see, Alaska is a "welfare queen."

Now let's take a look at New York:
1. New Jersey ($0.62)
2. Connecticut ($0.64)
3. New Hampshire ($0.68)
4. Nevada ($0.73)
5. Illinois ($0.77)
6. Minnesota ($0.77)
7. Colorado ($0.79)
8. Massachusetts ($0.79)
9. California ($0.81)
10. New York ($0.81)

Looks like we're getting shortchanged up here in the Empire State. Maybe the above states should secede and leave the states "on the dole" to figure out how to care for themselves.

Here's the link.

Shhhh... What do you want to do, force McCain to dump her? She's a goose laying golden eggs for the Democrats, but only as long as the religious right forces McCain to keep her on the ticket.

Interesting to see that the intrade contract on withdrawing Palin's name is creeping up slowly...

Here are some numbers from 2004:

Forgot to explain that the number in parentheses is the amount of federal dollars the state receives per every dollar contributed in federal tax dollars.

She may be a "former member" of the AIP, but that did not prevent her from sending a video message to the 2008 AIP Convention in strong support of their work. Take a look for your self it is at the AIP website and YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4iCDBIAde8&feature=related , http://www.akip.org/conv08.html
PASS IT ON THIS NEEDS TO GET OUT!

I hate to keep playing the "If a Democrat Had Done This ... " game, but it's a valid point -- if a Dem had been part of a group like this, he'd never be elected Dog Catcher, let along be a viable Veep candidate.

Yet the media has been slow to pick up on this story. Why?

Considering the asinine Rev. Wright flap was covered for weeks -- and even made an appearance in a few debates -- I fail to see how this isn't bigger news. This isn't someone close to Palin doing something. This is Palin herself doing it.

I really don't get it.

Oh, one other thing: Anyone on the right (or even our concern trolls) who talks about how the left wants to "destroy the Palin family" should shut the fuck up.

Last I checked, the right has had no problems going after any and all Democrats with some of the most disgusting -- and often patently false -- accusations of personal impropriety. They don't give a rat's ass about anyone's family and don't give a crap about any damage they may inflict. For them, it's all about winning at all costs.

If anything, 99% of the left has been incredibly gracious to the Palin family over some of the recent revelations, choosing to focus on substance (membership in AIP, abuse of power, lying in her presser last week) rather than anything personal.

So either shut it, or admit you're flaming hypocrites lacking a clue. Your call.

daveinboca wrote: The AIP allegation has already been disproved

How do you figure that? (Please do factor her 2008 video in support of the party as cited above.)

they are heedless of the fact that they are disgracing themselves shamelessly & losing what little cred they still have with independents and sane Democrats.

Yeah, because independents and sane Democrats overwhelmingly support Palin's religious extremism, not to mention her embrace of a successionist party.

Demented, indeed...

America: Sarah was against it before she was for it. Heckuva job, Johnny.

Sarah Palin is an extremist--that seems to be the bottomline...and an extremist in about everything she stands for. She's even more extreme than Bush or McCain. Need we know anything else than that?

One should also note that her past membership in the Alaska Independence Party is interesting viewed alongside her comments earlier this year on the Vice Presidency; while here "what does the VP do all day" comment has gotten the most attention, if you watch the video you'll note the next thing she says is that she'd only take the VP job if she was convinced that she would be able to bring back pork for Alaska by doing it.

If anything, Palin's support for a secessionist group will *solidify* her support among Republicans. Secessionists and the great-grandchildren of secessionists are the backbone of the Republican Party -- they wear rebel flags as t-shirts and mutter amongst themselves that the South will rise again. They'll offer Sarah Palin honorary membership in the Confederate States of America and vote for her in droves.

about half of Oregon is federal land, ditto Washington, Idaho, Montana...you get the picture.

Only 28 percent of Washington state land is federally owned - nowhere near half.

www.blm.gov/natacq/pls98/98PL1-3.PDF

A very highly suspect VP pick. Her views are wacked out and weird - I say let Alaska secede and she is no longer a citizen and can not hold office - oh what then--- Mitt Romney - an even worse pick. McCain first big decision is a poor one at best and she should have never accepted it. Ego and independence are not traits to have as a VP.

Or...

The AIP is talking complete bullshit, and she has been a registered republican since she was 18 years old.

http://hotair.cachefly.net/images/2008-09/palin-voting.pdf

Will we get a correction?

Oops. Duly noted. I should have said "significant percentages" instead of "about half."

Mitt Romney - an even worse pick.

I disagree. While Palin at the most mollifies the Christian right, Romney thrills the money-con branch of the GOP. By comparison, mollifying a third of your base wouldn't help McSame as much as thrilling a third of it.

-Z

The AIP is talking complete bullshit, and she has been a registered republican since she was 18 years old.

Yeah, and that was actually a Muppet doing the endorsement video she sent to AIP's 2008 convention.

Steve,

There is a guy named Donald Fowler who was a DNC Chairman and, shortly thereafter, the SC Chairman of the Southern Party ... a party chartered for the purpose of seeking secession of the South from the Union, back in 1998-99.

We need more politicians who are bold about sovereignty issues, even if they do apply to States. Moreover, some parties are just lobbying groups by another name. The Southern Party was actually more concerned with states rights, as might well be the case with the Alaskan party. That's one problem of a government that tramples the Constitution: simple constitutional remedies are seen as radical acts of rebellion. Its a shame.

Her voter registration documents are posted. Correction coming? Doubtful given the bias here. But an update might at least be useful. Others have pointed out that Obama supported the Hawaiian independence movement. This ain't gonna be the issue that takes down Palin, losers!

Others have pointed out that Obama supported the Hawaiian independence movement.

Sigh. This doesn't even rise to the level of "good try."

Sorry, wingnut, but no one made that claim. What was said was if he had, the wingers would be making hay of it. But since she is a registered republican the corporate media is holding their fire.

Her voter registration documents are posted. Correction coming? Doubtful given the bias here.

Shorter Yawner: This time Hot Air must be right!

Sadly, no! Listen, jackass: She sent an endorsement video to AIP's 2008 convention.

Others have pointed out that Obama supported the Hawaiian independence movement.

And I'm sure the sourcing is unimpeachable!

This ain't gonna be the issue that takes down Palin

I gotta admit, you got me there. There are so many to choose from...

if we could somehow jettison the Enlarged Prostate known as Texas, we should do so.

Just give me time to get to higher land, will ya...

btw, texas needs to pay their debt before they can get out..I'd be willing to contribute.

Secession is un-American?!?

Why did the US encourage former Soviet States to secede from the Russian confederation?

Even better, what in the heck was the American Revolution if not a secession? Do you celebrate the Fourth of July? What do you think that holiday celebrates?

Secession is un-American?

Unbelievable. What next, Marxism is American?

Most of the comments on this sight are obviously made by deceived, leftist, liberal, blabbering idiots. Bless your hearts....you are all deceived by the "powers that be". I feel sorry for you.

Wow! What else can you say? If this is true, I'm sure the McCain campaign will downplay it as a fringe group trying to give themselves legitimacy by claiming Palin was a member. They will never admit it, and barring a video of Palin saying, "Death to America", then I think they will get away with it. Great reporting. Keep up the good work.
Jerame Clough
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