September 2, 2008
TUESDAY'S MINI-REPORT.... Today's edition of quick hits:
* The McCain campaign will punish news outlets that ask tough questions. Good to know.
* Palin said she had visited Ireland. It turns out, her plane merely refueled there.
* No one asked city clerk of Wasillia for materials on Palin until The Washington Independent's Laura McGann asked this morning.
* Alberto Gonzales improperly handled classified information, but won't face criminal prosecution.
* Hmm: "Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki has been on a roll, and American officials are getting worried.... Now, however, U.S. officials in Baghdad worry that success has gone to Maliki's head. They fear that his tough bargaining on a long-term security agreement with the United States is a sign that Maliki thinks he can move ahead on his own."
* Palin's lawyers are dragging their feet on the investigation into her abuse-of-power scandal.
* I guarantee the McCain campaign won't be pleased with the new cover of US Weekly.
* Palin and Abramoff had a lobbyist in common.
* It's stunning how Amy Goodman was treated while covering a demonstration at the Republican convention.
* Good point: "Looking at the Sarah Palin debacle, one is reminded that one of the principal powers of the presidency is the power to appoint people -- federal judges, ambassadors, cabinet secretaries, subcabinet officials, FEC members, the Amtrak board, all kinds of things. Presidents don't always put the best people in these positions, but normally they give the matter some thought."
* Some Republicans are still claiming Palin opposed the "bridge to nowhere." Do they know they're lying, or do they just no longer care?
Anything to add? Consider this an open thread.
—Steve Benen 5:30 PM
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Is there anyone out there who is posting anything about Obama lately? I think we've fallen into the GOP trap of talking about nothing but McCain's idiotic pick for Veep.
Here's Obama speaking on the need for rebuilding cities. He understands what it will take to rebuild our flailing economy. This man oozes leadership, knowledge and understanding in every syllable.
Here's Obama speaking in Milwaukee. Some is a repeat from his acceptance speech, but listen to what he has to say about unions and America. It is something we need to never forget.
Posted by: MsJoanne on September 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM | PERMALINK
If you want to read the funniest bit of satire I have seen of late, check this out.
And in case you need reminding of how terrifying it could be should McCain get elected, watch this!
Posted by: MsJoanne on September 2, 2008 at 5:43 PM | PERMALINK
As our new attorney general recently taught us, not all illegal activity is a crime.
Posted by: CJ on September 2, 2008 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK
"Alberto Gonzales improperly handled classified information, but won't face criminal prosecution"
And in other news, the sun will rise tomorrow, rain will fall somewhere and a bear s*s in the woods.
In other words. Normal day in Bushland.
Posted by: thorin-1 on September 2, 2008 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK
Libra, I saw this today and thought of you. This is from The Onion:
Cancer June 22 - July 22
The inaccuracy of your last 17 horoscopes finally leads you to a inescapable conclusion: You are actually a Libra.
Apparently, I am now you! :-D
Posted by: MsJoanne on September 2, 2008 at 5:47 PM | PERMALINK
I think we've fallen into the GOP trap of talking about nothing but McCain's idiotic pick for Veep.
Um, it's not a trap. They wanted the conversation to be about Granny Palin, yes, but they didn't want that conversation to consist of derisive mocking laughter and jeering.
After Stewart, Colbert, Letterman, Leno et al. have had their say McCain and Palin are going to be reduced to a walking national joke.
Posted by: Stefan on September 2, 2008 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK
I don't post often as the rest of you seem to say everything I have thought of...and more intelligently than I could. I must say though I am entranced with MsJoanne. Not only because we have similar names but because she always gets to the heart of the matter. Keep up the good work MsJoanne.
Posted by: Joan on September 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM | PERMALINK
As summer fades to fall I am struck by the stark contrast between the Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin tickets.
On the one hand, veracity is held as a guiding light, on the other, mendacity is the norm.
For those of you who are vocabularily challenged... McCain/Palin seem bent on MAKING us all believe their lies.
Whereas, Obama/Biden know on a visceral level that it is only truth that will set us free.
Posted by: Tom Nicholson on September 2, 2008 at 5:51 PM | PERMALINK
Stefan, they already are a national joke.
Did you see the latest stats? Obama is up in all the nationwide polls I saw.
On Hardball just now, Matthews is at the RNC and there were scant few people out there who were for McCain (except one guy who was in the Monopoly Man suit. Go figure.)
Posted by: MsJoanne on September 2, 2008 at 5:52 PM | PERMALINK
The McCain campaign will punish news outlets that ask tough questions.
Well, like any thin-skinned celebrity McCain responds to any criticism, no matter how legitimate, with a mixture of fussiness and hysteria.
Posted by: Stefan on September 2, 2008 at 5:53 PM | PERMALINK
One thing that I think hasn't been much discussed in the Palin affair is how the McCain campaign has been forced by it's own emphasis on Obama's lack of readiness for office to try to pump up the credentials of a Governor when, in the past, a Governor's lack of foreign policy experience has simply been taken for granted.
I don't recall the campaigns of Carter, Reagan, Clinton or GW Bush claiming that being commander of the National Guard in their states made them Commander in Chief material. Nor do I recall (I could be wrong) anyone suggesting that since Georgia, California and Texas are bounded by the open ocean or in the case of the latter two by a foreign country that their governors have an instinctive understanding of foreign affairs.
Something tells me that the folks who got passed over for VP and the women who are well qualified but weren't seriously considered can't be very happy about having to talk up the "executive and foreign policy" experience of Sarah Palin.
I mean what must Carly Fiorina really think?
Posted by: davido on September 2, 2008 at 5:53 PM | PERMALINK
He's getting testy. I say he has a Rumpelstiltskin moment by the time all this ends.
Posted by: Saint Zak on September 2, 2008 at 5:54 PM | PERMALINK
Nor do I recall (I could be wrong) anyone suggesting that since Georgia, California and Texas are bounded by the open ocean or in the case of the latter two by a foreign country that their governors have an instinctive understanding of foreign affairs.
Actually, in 2000 the Republicans made that exact claim about George Bush since Texas bordered Mexico. So their stupidity isn't quite unprecendented....
Posted by: Stefan on September 2, 2008 at 5:57 PM | PERMALINK
OMG, the McTantrum is a beautiful thing. Not only do we know that Camp McPOW is scared to death of being asked questions (swoon!) but this is sure to keep the clip cycling three times longer than it normally would have.
Do they really want Gomer Pyle claiming that governors are involved in how their state's NGs are deployed to Iraq to be the last word on this issue?
Works for me.
Posted by: The Answer WAS Orange on September 2, 2008 at 5:58 PM | PERMALINK
Steve said: "Some Republicans are still claiming Palin opposed the "bridge to nowhere." Do they know they're lying, or do they just no longer care?"
Why ask the question? It seems fairly obvious that they don't care and have not ever cared. From a Corporate Perspective, it is about power and not the country - unless you can convince yourself that your warped view is what is best for the country. All that is needed is for the corporate media to keep up a dialog that says that it is a closely contested race - then the corporate republican owned companies that control the electronic voting and vote tabulation systems will steal another election for republicans.
I continue to be sad for my country...
Posted by: SadOldVet on September 2, 2008 at 5:58 PM | PERMALINK
I suggest caution to anyone saying it's "confirmed" that Palin was a member of AIP even considering other party members say she was. We should look for actual documents or it could backfire. Anyone have good scoop?
Posted by: Neil B on September 2, 2008 at 6:06 PM | PERMALINK
Keep up the good work MsJoanne.
Posted by: Joan
Definitely. Thanks for reminding us about Obama.
Posted by: Dale on September 2, 2008 at 6:06 PM | PERMALINK
My prediction: Palin is out by noon tomw.
The last straw? Video of AIP party member Mr. Palin spouting off at a rally about putting Alaska first and telling America to go screw itself. The Rev. Wright tape would look tame by comparison.
Posted by: angry young man on September 2, 2008 at 6:09 PM | PERMALINK
ooh! ooh! everyone be on the lookout tonight for a big move at the top of Steve's bracket of worst excuses for congresscritters: Michelle Bachman is addressing the convention this evening!
Posted by: zeitgeist on September 2, 2008 at 6:10 PM | PERMALINK
BTW, MsJoanne: thanks for the reminder about Obama and for the links.
Go BO-Joe! Jobamamentum!
Posted by: Neil B on September 2, 2008 at 6:10 PM | PERMALINK
The McCain campaign will punish news outlets that ask tough questions. Good to know.
This is a hoot. McCain cancels interview with Larry King because of Campbell Brown's interview last night, where she asked what decisions Palin made as CinC of the Alaska National Guard. I'll bet Dan Senor's wife has already started working on her resume. But she may already be irreparably damaged goods. Lesson: if you want to be a Republican hack, you need to know it's not a part time job.
Posted by: Danp on September 2, 2008 at 6:13 PM | PERMALINK
"The McCain campaign will punish news outlets that ask tough questions. Good to know."
Punish them by not showing up. So no free publicity. No softball questions. No sprinkles. Good plan, John.
Have a nice time sitting in the corner pounding your little fists on the table and weeping bitterly all night long.
Posted by: Curmudgeon on September 2, 2008 at 6:13 PM | PERMALINK
One thing that I think hasn't been much discussed in the Palin affair is how the McCain campaign has been forced by it's own emphasis on Obama's lack of readiness for office to try to pump up the credentials of a Governor
What hasn't been much discussed in the so-called "liberal media" is how, if McCain has really been considering Palin for months, he never believed in that line of attack.
Palin's choice removes any doubt that McCain's campaign against Obama is, and always has been, based on lies.
Posted by: Gregory on September 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM | PERMALINK
Thanks, Joan and Dale. Much appreciated.
Posted by: MsJoanne on September 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM | PERMALINK
Whoops...forgot you, Neil. :-)
Thanks all around! How's that!
BTW, just because I don't comment as often as I used to, I am still reading every word that the new Political Animal writes.
And I miss you guys! (And even the ones I don't know!)
Posted by: MsJoanne on September 2, 2008 at 6:17 PM | PERMALINK
"Palin said she had visited Ireland. It turns out, her plane merely refueled there."
In her defense, she was dodging sniper fire at the time, so she doesn't remeber the visit clearly.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Posted by: Common Knowledge on September 2, 2008 at 6:18 PM | PERMALINK
I think you missed the significance of the Larry King cancellation. The interview was supposed to be about Palin. I think this is the cue to buy those Intrade contracts on her leaving the ticket.
But who will replace her? Hmmm, HAS to be a woman, has to be someone with appeal to the RRs, and with some record, and probably should include at least a little 'eye candy' for the guys. Some prominent Republican -- prominent enough to speak at the convention.
I've GOT it!
McCain-Bachman '08.
(The trouble is, I'm not joking. She is the obvious replacement.)
Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on September 2, 2008 at 6:18 PM | PERMALINK
zeitgeist - What happened to Steve King? He's been off his game lately. Did he even make the Olympics, I mean Rep Convention speaker slate?
Posted by: Danp on September 2, 2008 at 6:18 PM | PERMALINK
Other points:
She was apparently an AIP member for two years in the 90s and as governor made a supportive video for them. These are the guys who support secession from the US and dissolving the Federal Government.
She worked on Sen. Stevens' 527 and otherwise helped him get reelected.
The pastor of her church gave loony sermons including saying that those opposed to GWB would go to hell and that those voting for John Kerry wouldn't go to heaven.
Possibly lied about being miss congeniality when she was a beauty queen. Another woman claims that honor.
Posted by: JohnK on September 2, 2008 at 6:19 PM | PERMALINK
"The McCain campaign will punish news outlets that ask tough questions. Good to know."
This is the perfect example of the Bush/McCain foreign policy. If somebody says/does something you don't like (tough questions/pursue nukes) you then call them bad names (liberal media/Islamoterroists) and don't talk to them (deny interviews/don't negotiate).
They approach every problem the same way. Deny, insult, run away and hope it stops.
In one case you miss out on a news cycle. In the other, you start a war that kills thousands.
Means about the same to them.
Posted by: thorin-1 on September 2, 2008 at 6:19 PM | PERMALINK
The republican party has shattered the parody ceiling.
Posted by: DonkeyKong on September 2, 2008 at 6:20 PM | PERMALINK
But who will replace her? Prup
Alito?
Posted by: Danp on September 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM | PERMALINK
* The McCain campaign will punish news outlets that ask tough questions. Good to know.
Don't tell anybody---especially those nasty little McBushylvanian trolls---but the entire United States of America is one vast media outlet, and it wants to air all of McCain/Palin's dirty laundry....
Oh, and by the way---Amy Goodman is just a small sampling of what Americans who care about their Constitution are going to get from a McBushylvanian presidency. These people don't give a flying whatever for your rights, or the law, or the truth.
Seems to me that we're running out of options---and I don't count "kowtowing to pow-boy and his secessionist hench-wench for the next four years" as one of the options here....
Posted by: Steve on September 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM | PERMALINK
"The McCain campaign will punish news outlets that ask tough questions."
This has been a Republican trend over several years. They threaten to cut off "access" to any reporter who asks them a simple question they can't or don't want to answer. "Access" is critical to reporters, and even more critical to *lazy* reporters who are also celebs because of said access. It's a big reason the MSM is so spineless. If the media wants that to change, they're going to have to punch back with "no coverage." And, as Blitzer did, tell their audience that [Republican name here] is "punishing" them because [X] doesn't want to be accountable to the public.
I suggest they quote unnamed sources who claim the "punisher" "is gutless, and too stupid to find his/her ass with both hands." After a few such disclaimers, they'll talk.
Posted by: alibubba on September 2, 2008 at 6:23 PM | PERMALINK
"Some Republicans are still claiming Palin opposed the 'bridge to nowhere.' Do they know they're lying, or do they just no longer care?" Come on, Steve--you know the answer to that. They know they're lying, and they don't care. They lie like rugs--all day, every day. Lee Atwater and Karl Rove taught them to lie with impunity, with no fear of the consequences--certainly not from the SCLM, which will just turn it into a "he said/she said" story anyway (see: Swift Boat liars).
Posted by: Tigrrrl on September 2, 2008 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK
But who will replace her? -- Prup
Alito? -- Danp
Miers?
Posted by: alibubba on September 2, 2008 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK
Prup, the thought of Bachmann as VP makes me laugh harder than Palin.
OMG...let some of her craziness let loose.
Benen would have a field day! (Sorry Zeit!)
Posted by: MsJoanne on September 2, 2008 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK
From the Goodman arrests:
"Sharif Abdel Kouddous"? With an Arabic name like that, St. Paul police Nazis will probably find new reasons to keep holding him.
Posted by: SocraticGadfly on September 2, 2008 at 6:35 PM | PERMALINK
"Alberto Gonzales improperly handled classified information, but won't face criminal prosecution."
Republican puts fingers in ears, screams "SANDY BERGER SANDY BERGER" over and over.
Posted by: dr.giraud on September 2, 2008 at 6:36 PM | PERMALINK
I just received a letter in the mail with a picture of Ed McMahon on it. The blurb on the outside reads
"You may already have been nominated as Republican VP!"
Posted by: JohnK on September 2, 2008 at 6:37 PM | PERMALINK
You quote: "They fear that his tough bargaining on a long-term security agreement with the United States is a sign that Maliki thinks he can move ahead on his own."
When they stand up, we will stand down. Dubya said that. But we just can't let it happen, because then we would have to leave.
Please. Just kill me now. Is there anything this bunch told the truth about?
Posted by: CMcC on September 2, 2008 at 6:37 PM | PERMALINK
The other thing in her history is that she pushed through a windfall profits tax on the oil companies. It is fairly steep and has raked in billions for the hardy individualists in Alaska.
She is in favor of drilling in ANWR (duh) and McCain has been against it though I doubt that will change.
Posted by: JohnK on September 2, 2008 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK
I don't watch CNN, so I have no idea who these personalities are. But a guest of my roommate's has CNN on the TV in the other room, and I'm hearing the hosts make points like, "The Republicans are all speaking from the same talking points, sometimes verbatim! It's like they had a meeting to coordinate their media appearances!"; "Obama and Biden aren't raising executive experience as an issue. This is entirely the Republicans who are raising it as an issue"; questioning the vetting; and taking shots at Joe Liebermann.
It really seems like McCain has lost his base, unless I'm hearing something really aberrant here.
Posted by: Equal Opportunity Cynic on September 2, 2008 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK
EOC: At one time Larry King was a solid journalist who worked for the TEXAS OBSERVER and wrote a great political novel about the career of Earl Long called THE ONE-EYED MAN. Sadly, that's like talking about Rod Stewart's gritty hard blues singing for the JEFF BECK GROUP. Both softened as they got older and now Larrk King is the King of the 'softball interview.' Very popular, no substance, which is why I have to assume that McCain's cancellation means the end of '120 hours of Sarah.'
(btw, if you can find that novel, it really is worth reading.)
Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on September 2, 2008 at 6:57 PM | PERMALINK
Talk about a theatre of the absurd. She's been to Ireland, Kuwait and Germany and, allegedly, Canada. (She lives closer to Canada than Russia, so that's even more foreign "policy" experience?) Were these trips in an official capacity, other than trade missions? By modern standards she is not at all well-travelled.
I have visted, most more than once, France, Italy, Switzerland, the UK, Russia (!), Turkmenistan, Georgia (yes, that one), Ireland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Monaco, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Brazil, Australia and New Zealand where I now live. Oh, and Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, the Bahamas, Barbados, Curacao, and Texas. I was real close to Luxembourg once. Hey, John, how about Secretary of State?
Posted by: SteveB on September 2, 2008 at 7:03 PM | PERMALINK
What a great thread!
Where else can one read about "secessionist hench-wenches" and VP lottery letters from Ed McMahon?
Maybe there never was the "real McCain" longed for by the Economist cover.
Posted by: oldboater on September 2, 2008 at 7:06 PM | PERMALINK
y'all just wait until Congress is back in session - Rep. King does his best crazy on the floor of the House, usually during Special Orders with visuals like big silly signs or model border fences. i agree Bachmann's had his number lately, but I know he can come back.
speaking of crazy. . .
I know what Obama said about family being off limits, but sometimes the line between family and public life is a little blurry. These folks are just a freak show with a lot of characters (not to be confused with character, which they lack.)
When Palin, who went on to win re-election by a landslide, was forced out of the Mayor's office by term limits in 2002, her husband Todd's stepmother Faye Palin ran for mayor. She did not, however, get Sarah Palin's endorsement. A couple of people told me that they thought abortion was the reason for Palin not supporting her family member — Faye, they say, is pro-choice, not to mention a Democrat. A former city council member recalls that it was a heated race, mainly because of right-to-life issues: "People were writing BABYKILLER on Faye's campaign signs just a few days before the election." Faye Palin lost the race to the candidate that Sarah backed, Dianne Keller. . .
Wouldn't want to be at those holiday dinners. But seriously, between the weird Trig stuff (and at the very least she admits to irresponsibly flying back to Alaska after her water broke in a high-risk pregnancy), the Bristol stuff, Todd's DUI, the sister's messy divorce and subsequent abuse of power, and the beauty-queen-caribou-killer that sounds more like a stolen Coen Brothers script than a Veep bio and now this weirdness with ma-in-law. . . at what point is it really just too much? at what point is it indeed fair game - even if it involves family stuff - to say "um, these folks really aren't like us (thank god) - and I don't mean that in a good way"?
Posted by: zeitgeist on September 2, 2008 at 7:11 PM | PERMALINK
* Palin said she had visited Ireland. It turns out, her plane merely refueled there.
While she was camping out at the airport, did she declare: On this day, I am Irish!
Just curious
Posted by: barkleyg on September 2, 2008 at 7:14 PM | PERMALINK
I can't help feeling we're being set up re: Palin... McCain may not care for careful research and considered decision making, but he clearly hasn't made the decision alone (if he was involved at all), and Rove et al are not so careless... they would not have chosen Palin without thinking through the political advantage it will bring them very carefully. I can't help but think that by mocking the choice we're doing exactly what we're supposed to do.
If she was picked to be a wedge (a favourite Republican tactic) then every mocking post or comment could be taken as a personal attack by anybody that identifies with Palin on that issue. The most obvious (and cynical) issue is gender - those who feel that Hillary lost the Dem nomination because of sexism (rather than her own cynical campaign) may have their views reinforced by the treatment of Palin (even I'm not sure she would be quite such an object of ridicule if she were a man), but I'm sure there are more. Those with a pregnant teen may resent the implication of parental failure (rather than the failure of 'abstinence only' sex education), those who have had to go back to work after giving birth may resent criticisms of that, etc.
Whilst we may feel that by drawing attention to these issues with his VP choice we are costing McCain votes, it may be that we are costing Obama more, by playing into the hands of the RW narrative that democrats are elitists who look down on ordinary Americans.
I note that the trolls are unusually quiet in the comments of Palin-related topics... is it just that they haven't been issued with talking points yet, or is the word out to let us keep spinning rope that will eventually be used to hang us?
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it all seems too easy right now... which means it's probably time to tread very carefully.
Posted by: NewHorizons on September 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM | PERMALINK
Thank you to Steve Benen, who has really outdone himself today! Wow, is that 13 columns? What was your record over at CBR?
Rock on!
Posted by: MsMuddler on September 2, 2008 at 7:23 PM | PERMALINK
Zeit: Thanks moghtily for that article and second that everyone should read it. If TIME was in McCain's camp, it ain't now. There's too much to quote, but, because of my own interest in censorship, had to quote this:
'"She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast."'
Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on September 2, 2008 at 7:25 PM | PERMALINK
Happened to catch this drifting over the Mets pregame:
"..but who's going to raise her family, now. It's an insult to women, thinking that just because she wears a skirt, women will vote for her."
What extreme liberal started slandering her?
Michael Savage!
Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on September 2, 2008 at 7:30 PM | PERMALINK
How many My Pet Goat Moments has George Bush had during the last 8 years?
Here is a new My Pet Goat moment proposed for the list.
Not one I had thought of, but no doubt it is a long list. And he's earned each one.
Posted by: on September 2, 2008 at 7:35 PM | PERMALINK
After watching the gestapo tactics of the MN police and FBI it should be noted that the next time a MN policeman or FBI agent is hot or beaten I don't want to hear about how their service should be honored or respected. They show themselves not to be citizens or part of the community they brutalize, but rather members of a secret government force used to control and shackle its citizens. They set out to intimidate and provoke violence. They are a para-military force such as has been used in all third world nations instituting a dictatorship. tahey make themselves anonymous for good reason...to avoid being held responsible for their actions. they follow orders from commanders who use the law to further their master's agendas.
One cannot even be sure they are Americans under the masks they wear or even that they speak English. Rather than be supportive of the people and friendly in supporting the demonstration of citizens rights...they are hostile, judgmental, and abusive just to dominate with the authority we give them. They look on the very citizens they vow to protect as enemies the consequences of which makes them enemies to the majority of citizens. There are consequences:
Being completely disrespectful and unfriendly themselves, that is what comes back to them putting them outside the community they are there to serve and protect. The federal government trains the seeds of its own destruction. This is a police state now...our rights have been removed one at a time. This is the corporate world order...government by the wealthy...but they too will wither and die and until then nature will not be kind.
Right now our best weapon of non violent protest is chewing gum..tons of chewing gum...everywhere the police walk...sticky gooey gum.
Posted by: bjobotts on September 2, 2008 at 7:36 PM | PERMALINK
MsJoanne: Yes, in the video Palin shows her affection for the AIP but that doesn't show she had to have been a member. That's the sort of thing a wacky Republican might say to a state's rights or neoconfederate party convention, especially if she wanted their votes. More telling, prominent AIP members say she was a member in ca. 1994-96, and her husband certainly was - so it's hard to believe they'd lie, but I suggest caution pushing Palin being a member until there's real documentation. Also, I'd say take NewHorizons' advice into consideration and not push dumping on her too much, there could be a sympathy backlash as he/she (we've got to have a neutral pronoun!) warns.
Posted by: Neil B ☼ on September 2, 2008 at 7:39 PM | PERMALINK
Ireland? Really? That's probably the pettiest lie told in modern political history. This whole thing is starting to sound more and more like an elaborate joke, as if McCain wants to defeat Obama by presenting voters with a burlesque, mirror-image parody of him.
Posted by: Nobody on September 2, 2008 at 7:41 PM | PERMALINK
Palin panic merely shows the voting public that Obama worshippers are desperate to get Palin. They wonder why the panic. This is to her and McCain's advantage. I'm sure the general public will wait patiently for the lib hysteria to die down and not rush to judgement on snap slander from libs.
Posted by: Luther on September 2, 2008 at 7:45 PM | PERMALINK
:Is there anyone out there who is posting anything about Obama lately? I think we've fallen into the GOP trap of talking about nothing but McCain's idiotic pick for Veep.:
Normally I would agree with this, and in fact. I innitially felt the Obama campaign should have hit really hard on this. But its turned into such a gaudy train wreck its best for the Obama camp to sit nack and enjoy. There is the added benefit of the media turning on John McCain. Its a wonderous sight to behold. Whether or not Plain ultimately remains on the ticket is debatable, but either way she's a ball and chain tied to John MCain's leg. She has undercut every argument based on experience, judgement, national security foreign policy, women's issues. He's got nothing left but the tired old POW story.
All of this publicity is bad, bad, bad for McCain (and rove isn't helping matters at all). Obce the flurry dies down Obama can regain the spotlight with John McCain crippled on the sidelines. He's a joke now, and the best part is...he turned himself into a joke. Obama didn't need to go negative.
Posted by: Saint Zak on September 2, 2008 at 7:46 PM | PERMALINK
I've been trying to sort out my feelings about the Bristol Palin story-- there is something deeply unsettling about the way the campaign and Palin herself handled the news.
It's taken a little while for me to realize that I'm pissed on Bristol's behalf that her mother told the world about this-- why didn't her mother try to protect her? If she wanted to respect her daughter's privacy she could have left her back in Alaska instead of putting her on stage holding her little brother to conceal her "baby bump." Why did they voluntarily put Bristol in the limelight this way? Why not leave her in Alaska to quietly get married FIRST and then announce that she's married and having a kid soon? Also, if she's 5 months pregnant why isn't she married already?
To me the answer to these questions are one-- they appera to be exploiting the girl's pregnancy to score points with the "pro-life" crowd and try to make Sarah Palin seem like a "regular" person. It's truly sickening.
Posted by: zoe kentucky from pittsburgh on September 2, 2008 at 7:48 PM | PERMALINK
What was Amy Goodman was trying to do, anyways? While I watch her program with regularity I have not clue why she's trying to intrude police blockade, or what she planned to achieve by doing so.
Posted by: Ravi J on September 2, 2008 at 7:48 PM | PERMALINK
zoe, its much worse than that.
Palin (more accurately, the McCain-Palin campaign) has already admitted that they "announced" for Bristol when they did to counter web rumors that Trig was really Bristol's baby, not Sarah's.
But an even more effective counter to that rumor would have been to simply release Sarah's medical records -- as between the adult and child, sacrifice the adult's privacy, not the child's. Medical records are generally a part of vetting, and should she be elected, are routinely released, at least in part, by the Pres and VP.
Instead of the easy and obvious refutation by the Mom, who made the choice to be in the public eye, Sarah literally hid from the rumors behind her daughter Bristol, who had little choice in the matter (seems Mama Palin is anti-choice in more ways than one).
Family values indeed.
Posted by: zeitgeist on September 2, 2008 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK
The long quote near the bottom of Steve's quick hits is from Matt Yglesias. Matt concludes with this comment and link:
The unfolding Palin situation, meanwhile, is so absurd that it’s got Richard Cohen writing solid columns.
He is right. Cohen's column is snark-a-licious.
Your schadenfreude neurons will have a block party...
Posted by: koreyel on September 2, 2008 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK
zoe - not only what zeitgeist said, but MSNBC reported today that they did not even tell Bristol that her mother was being announced as VP candidate until they arrived in Ohio for the announcement. Apparently, the family was told they were there for some family get together. Surprise!! You'll be in all the tabloids!
Posted by: Danp on September 2, 2008 at 8:04 PM | PERMALINK
Just a question-- I recently read that the rumors questioning Trig's mother have been swirling in Alaska for some time. So far the GOP is trying to pretend that it was evil, evil liberal bloggers. Does anyone know where this story really came from?
Posted by: zoe from pittsburgh on September 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM | PERMALINK
It's nopt "Palin panic"...it's Palin shock. Why her?? It's outrage that McCain could be so unserious about the good of our country. It comes not just from Libs but from a majority of the voting public. You're very statements indicate you aren't concerned with the public welfare either, just partisanship.
I agree with comments that I would like to hear more of Obama's recent speeches with Biden. I notice that every question posed to the McCain campaign is always answered with criticizing Obama and not with a direct answer to the question. It's all they have. They distort the truth by saying McCain is different than Bush but cannot tell us why with any detail. If they aren't allowed to spout generalizations of McCain's POWism or wrong headed experience then they won't allow access, like political blackmail. We need to define the real McCain while showing off the real Obama. This will be a landslide victory for Obama but it should also be a complete defeat for what McCain and his supporters represent.
Posted by: bjobotts on September 2, 2008 at 8:10 PM | PERMALINK
zoe is right. And zietgeist is right.
It is almost impossible not to go after these people. Questions of character and behavior simply abound.
I mean really:
If you are the Governor of Alaska, fervently pro-life, overtly pro-family, and celebrate and cherish every birth... why wait until you are 7 months pregnant to tell your fellow Alaskans the joyous news.
Huh?
Everything is cockamamie and caddywampus. Everything. There is not a straight screw in the whole damn box of screws.
Posted by: koreyel on September 2, 2008 at 8:11 PM | PERMALINK
Neil B, @ 18:06 and 19:39,
Front page (A1) of New York Times, article byt Ekizabeth Bumiller "Palin Disclosures Spotlight McCain's Screening Process; Daughter's Pregnancy One of Several Revelations":
Among other less attention-grabbing news of the day: it was learned that Ms Palin now has a private lawyer i a legislative ethics investigation in Alaska into whether she abused her power in dismissing the state's public safety cmmissioner; that she was a member for two years in the 1990's of the Alaska Independence Party, which has at times sought a vote on whether the state should secede; [...]
*Bumiller* may not have vetted her sources properly and got the wrong tiger by the tail. But *I* cannot be blamed for taking such a respectable newspaper at its word, now can I?
Apologies if this has already been mentioned. I'm very much behind today (first training session for volunteers at the free clinic, which ran much longer than expected) and am reading Benen "backwards" (last article first).
MsJoanne, I'm delighted to see that you're a "secret Libra"; I couldn't find myself in better company. "Always balanced, sometimes fair" is one of my mottoes for the Zodiacal situation (simply because it's entirely ass backwards; I was supposed to be a Virgo with Vapors); what's yours?
Posted by: exlibra on September 2, 2008 at 8:14 PM | PERMALINK
Tell us, governor, during your visit to Ireland, did you have to duck sniper fire?
Posted by: Algernon on September 2, 2008 at 8:19 PM | PERMALINK
***McJoanne***got ya beat by far on the best satire with pics and video too:
http://www.driftglass.blogspot.com/
Scroll down to Sunday Aug.31 to see conversation/debate between McCain and Karl rove on the Palin pick. Note the romantic pic of Lieberman .
You'll love it (probably already been there but just in case...)
Posted by: joey(bjobotts) on September 2, 2008 at 8:19 PM | PERMALINK
btw...libras...artful air heads always seeking that elusive balance as the road to wisdom.
Posted by: on September 2, 2008 at 8:22 PM | PERMALINK
Well, she has her issues, but Sarah Palin sure is hot!!! (Just a touch of tummy flab, but almost A-1.)
Look at these pics:
http://reportell.com/index.php?Itemid=59
Posted by: Neil B on September 2, 2008 at 8:33 PM | PERMALINK
...now they're parading the poor boyfriend in front of the cameras.
Greatest. Shotgun wedding. Ever.
Almost makes you wish they'd dump Palin just to save these kids from this trauma.
Along the same arc:
Someone on the closing thread yesterday called the McCain-Palin thing a murder-suicide pact. Brilliant.
What we are witnessing is the forced wedding of the two branches of the republican party. Andrew Sullivan's post will point you in the right direction. He has got the elephant by the short and curleys right here:
A Shameless Plug
Posted by: koreyel on September 2, 2008 at 8:43 PM | PERMALINK
Palin misreresents a lot. As do her supporters. She lies like the Bushies, as if it comes naturally to her. Bloggers will have a lot to keep up with.
Here's worth noting:
"During the August 29 edition of Fox News' Happening Now, co-host Jon Scott suggested that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin can contrast herself with Sen. Joe Biden on Iraq because her son is "deploying to Iraq next month."
But Scott did not note that Biden's son is also reportedly deploying to Iraq. After guest Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, said that a vice-presidential debate between Palin and Biden will be "fascinating," Scott asserted of Palin: "[H]er oldest son is deploying to Iraq next month and volunteered to serve, you know, September 11th of last year. That's a pretty compelling storyline when Joe Biden, you know, suggests that Iraq is not the place American troops ought to be."
Biden's son Joseph R. "Beau" Biden III -- a member of the Delaware Army National Guard -- is scheduled to deploy to Iraq on October 3...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808290017?f=h_clips
Posted by: consider wisely always on September 2, 2008 at 8:43 PM | PERMALINK
I think the big question now should be---who does McCain have in the wings to take Palin's place? There are now several sources tying her to the AIP (several videos are posted over at DK). The foreign policy argument is hogwash (I've still got pics from the Moscow Olympics, by the way---and Barcelona and Albertville, Lillehammer, Athens, and Turin for a total of atcual foreign countries visited (I don't count Canada, although we spend just about every Thanksgiving up there), to prove that I've got more foreign policy experience than Palin does. Someone should tell McCain that I'm available. My underaged daughters aren't pregnant, I've never belonged to a secessionist party (at least not that anyone could prove), I don't think I've fired anyone illegally (although rumor has it that I've driven enough intellectually-illiterate undergrads toward suicidal tendencies to fully staff an infantry brigade, a Tupperware party, and both drive-thru booths of a McDonald's restaurant), and you just cannot get any more "anti-Bush" than I can.
Just think of it as "a reverse Lieberman...."
Posted by: Steve on September 2, 2008 at 8:51 PM | PERMALINK
I completely understand the thinking behind McCain canceling his interview. He was sure to get one Palin question after another, not a good way to tamp down the issues, especially when they are still vetting her and aren't really sure of what's out there. He would either have to lie or say no comment, both bad.
Blaming CNN for the cancellation plays well with the party's opinion of the "MSM"(liberal).
Remember that Irish reporter who made Bush get all snippy for asking questions about the war? McCain expects the conservatives to denounce Campbell Brown, exactly like they did to that reporter. And they surely will. But what I see is that the Republicans are steadily losing support from the undecideds, reporters smell blood in the water and they are beginning to get a feel for who they are going to need to be close to for the next four years.
Also, reporters can be as loyal to each other as much as Republicans can, especially when attacked by an outsider. I don't think McCain jumped the shark, they are circling.
Hey, I think I'll play some Jimmy Buffett in honour of Sarah Palin. "you've got fins to the left, fins to the right ..."
Posted by: justauy2 on September 2, 2008 at 8:56 PM | PERMALINK
former CB'rs surely have noted that we have gone from a nekkid Pam Anderson who at least was salacious for a good cause, PETA, to bikini'd blonds with no redeeming purpose - near as I can tell without clicking through, essentially selling Russian women (photos? brides? slaves? pen pals?)
not sure this is progress. . .
Posted by: ad critic on September 2, 2008 at 8:58 PM | PERMALINK
A short, but interesting take on the massive Palin wikipedia editing that went down 24 hours before the announcement. And its repercussions:
http://marbury.typepad.com/marbury/2008/09/wiki-politics.html
Posted by: koreyel on September 2, 2008 at 9:00 PM | PERMALINK
the MSNBC.com sight has the large headline now "Bush to Invoke 9/11"
this is news?
Posted by: zeitgeist on September 2, 2008 at 9:08 PM | PERMALINK
The funny thing about the CNN interview is that Brown GAVE him the point about Palin being "commander in chief of the National Guard." She kept asking what decisions she made in that capacity instead of just shooting down the "commander in chief" BS from the get-go.
Posted by: sullijan on September 2, 2008 at 9:26 PM | PERMALINK
gee -- it turns out I have visited Japan 4 separate times -- of course never made it out of Narita -- it never occurred to me to mention it when asked about my travels.
hope we are all showering CNN with kudos for Campbell Brown and to stand firm against the McCain bullying. McCain needs Larry King a lot more than Larry needs him -- he ought to go ask Biden on in his place.
Posted by: Artemesia on September 2, 2008 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINK
Orwell:
"... The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia, but to keep the very structure of society intact..."
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever."
"Any one who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness."
The Republican National Convention was referred to by the police state as
" a national security event."
Posted by: consider wisely always on September 2, 2008 at 9:48 PM | PERMALINK
"They fear that his tough bargaining on a long-term security agreement with the United States is a sign that Maliki thinks he can move ahead on his own."
Funny, I thought that was the main objective of Bush's strategy in Iraq:
sovereignty for the Iraqis.
So in other words, that's NOT what the White House wants?
Posted by: 2Manchu on September 2, 2008 at 9:51 PM | PERMALINK
Bush did just that a second ago...9/11! Fear! Danger!
I think I am having a "Danger, Will Robinson" moment.
Posted by: MsJoanne on September 2, 2008 at 10:03 PM | PERMALINK
You know, I've read the mis-characterizations of Obama as a 'socialist', and it struck me today that Sarah Palin is demonstrably more 'socialist' than Obama. She presides over the largest, and most generous redistribution of wealth in American society: Namely the kickbacks that Alaskan citizens receive from Oil companies.
Posted by: JWK on September 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM | PERMALINK
Why did Ms. Family Values Palin subject her daughter and future son-in-law to the national exposure rather than just release the medical records from the birth of her latest child. Simply releasing the medical records from the birth would have put a stop to any rumors about who gave birth.
(I apologize if I missed the thread on this question.)
Posted by: ed on September 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM | PERMALINK
Why did Ms. Family Values Palin subject her daughter and future son-in-law to the national exposure rather than just release the medical records from the birth of her latest child. Simply releasing the medical records from the birth would have put a stop to any rumors about who gave birth.
(I apologize if I missed the thread on this question.)
Posted by: ed on September 2, 2008 at 11:03 PM | PERMALINK
Excuse me for pointing this out, but honestly...I am so TIRED of the news media, bloggist, etc. acting as if it were any more terrible that one of their own was mistreated than that thousands of "normal" citizens are.
What I mean, Amy in the video...there are lots of folks (I'm not one of them) that say "well...she disobeyed a policemans orders, got what she deserved" whereas hundreds of people woke up to screaming police in riot gear and shotguns and automatic weapons, illegal (seemingly) searches, unconstitutional "preemptive arrests"...
THAT is the OUTRAGE. Peaceful groups, protesters, being treated much as they would have in the soviet union, or China. Deliberate intimidation by police. ¨
And they weren't disobeying police, they were in their homes, with no evidence they were planning anything more than exercising their civil rights.
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