Oh dear. That, and Whitman today. I think the post Obama speech Palin announcement bounce is now officially over. It's amazing what frauds these people are, especially Noonan. Goes to show that the media is all about who is paying you to say what they want.

Funniest line in the whole conversation:

Noonan added, "Every time Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it."

When did they ever not do that? (Run with a patent bullshit narrative, that is.)

I do hope however that if it really is over, the narrative doesn't become that it's over just because Peggy Noonan says it's over.

How did that work out, MSNBC? Keeping Keith Olbermann away from Minnesota?

Dear Peggy, I love it when you talk dirty.

It is really somewhat amazing to me that these people, who are brought on as analysts are allowed to just flat out lie on the air with the wiulling participation of the show's host. They are lying. They know they are lying. Now we know that the host, supposedly a journalist, knows full well that they are lying. Yet, all of this lying will only ever be exposed by accident.

Manufactured dissent. Pure and simple. Why should any of us even bother gathering the energy to pretend that we have a real news media?

Wow. Just WOW. Don't these folks have people in thier ear, you know...telling them they are still live?
I'm sure BillO's head will explode and McSame will add another network to his do not talk list.

But for as damaging as this is to McSame, it exposes the cheerleading pundits who go on the teevee to tell us how wonderful everything is for McCain.
WOW.

I'd like to see what they said in favor of Pailin ON-AIR right before this happened. See the contrast and all.

Political coverage is pretty much like sports coverage. Maybe a step below. It's what da people want.

The irony of these words coming from the Queen of Republicans (at least, in the Reagan years), who used to find nothing wrong ever with the GOP, is almost more than I can stand. I'm probably naive in thinking the Beltway Cynics could learn something here.

Dowd quoted Murphy on the Democratic Convention:

But this Democratic convention has a vibe so weird and jittery, so at odds with the early thrilling, fairy dust feel of the Obama revolution, that I had to consult Mike Murphy, the peppery Republican strategist and former McCain guru.

“What is that feeling in the air?� I asked him.

“Submerged hate,� he promptly replied.

Gee, do you think he was projecting, gaming her, or was it mutual gaming? Maureen Dowd is probably beyond feeling shame, but she should.

Meanwhile, Peggy Noonan's column expresses a few doubts about Palin, but returns the RW Bridge Over Troubled Water - complaining that complaints are because of the Bitter Left.

" because of all of this she is a real and present danger to the American left, and to the Obama candidacy.
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What a shock - the usual mouthpieces say one thing, think another. (Not unusual for either side, of course, but the manipulations and deflection to the "Hateful Left" theme is far more striking for the Right and weak-kneed Beltway media.) They may even share our complaints. And as was noticed, it's far more than a criticism of Palin. It's a direct slap at McCain himself.

As McCain tears into the press for asking a few tough questions, and even avoids a known soft-baller like Larry King, you'd hope some of them might be noticing the game.

JoeW:
I am sure the light on the camera went out. The problem is the sound man. Remember last year(or when ever it was), where Kyra Phillips's mic was never turned off and she went on a rant while in the bathroom and it was broadcast for everyone to hear?

Didn't they learn anything from Jesse Jackson?

Just more of the liberal media, blowing it for McCain. They really have it out for him, don't they?

Murphy concluded, "You know what's the worst thing about it, the greatest of McCain is no cynicism, and..."

What's this guy talking about?

Ah, the folks at the country club are just now finding out their party's been hijacked by the trailer trash...

This proves my assertion that mendacity trumps veracity.

Ya lie to us all, with the planet watching, then speak the truth, not knowing that the world was listening and realizing/discovering (some of you nimbwits for the first time) you were lying to us all, much of the time.

Now, how in the world, is lying reporting???

Ouch

At least no one threatened to cut Sarah's balls off. Or McCain's.

As potentially damaging as this is to the McCain-Palin ticket, I think it's particularly damaging to MSNBC. I'm starting to lose count of how many convention flubs are showing up on Youtube. Olbermann fighting with Matthews, with Scarborough, Scarborough fighting with Shuster. And now, an open mic catches the pundits giving apparently honest opinions?

I mean, why couldn't they do that on the air?

What pisses me off is not just that these people like Murphy and Noonan are brazen liars.

And not just that MSNBC knows that they're brazen liars.

But MSNBC knows that WE ALL KNOW that they're brazen liars, and that there's direct, indisputable evidence for this, and they STILL put these people on the air.

Murphy was just on MSNBC again a couple minutes ago.

What the fuck?

coldhotel @ 6:50

Political coverage is pretty much like sports coverage. Maybe a step below. It's what da people want.

Come on: Endless repetitive analysis of the "crucial" five minutes a day; snazzy graphics; over-the-top hostility; lack of objectivity; split-screen and "the crawl"; aggressive b-roll. Am I describing ESPN or Fox? Can't tell, can you?

Herb,

"I mean, why couldn't they do that on the air?"

You mean like, honesty ?

What a concept.
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From my work e-mail to you, per RNC e-mail, here’s an advance release on Palin’s speech highlights with my comments.

Aside: The RNC has bombarded me, and I guess other editors in my group of suburban Dallas weeklies, with e-mail.

The DNC last week? Nada.

At least no one threatened to cut Sarah's balls off. Or McCain's.

This would assume that McCain, unlike Sarah, still had a pair. I believe McCain's balls are safely tucked away in Karl Rove's office safe.

What makes you think the mics were left open "by mistake?" Remember, the union sound tech may well be a Dem and may have 'forgotten' to cut the mic feed. As I have said on so many other threads, the people who do the day-to-day work of the 'upper class' are not necessarily in that 'class' and are not always well-treated as equals. So, when they have an opportunity to 'stick it to the man', even 'by accident', they will take it. I don't know that this is the case, of course. But speculating on the possibilities. Also, don't the commentators have transmitters that they can turn off? Most cordless mics have that feature. So, who is to blame, ultimately? Seems that Karma may be at play here.
I am committed to Oneness through Justice and Transformation
peace,
st john

They are lying. They know they are lying. Now we know that the host, supposedly a journalist, knows full well that they are lying. - brent (6:45)

Great observation!!! And funny how they can never seem to find an expert on anything except weather who isn't assigned to one of the political parties.

The GOP doesn't even support McCain. Sarah the Unready was a disaster--and like some of you predicted, the SOB isn't man enough to admit a mistake.

You knew when Karl Rove is out front saying it was a "brilliant" pick the opposite had to be true. Reminds of Quayle, except Quayle really was a decent guy with a decent family. He had no business governing, but compared to Palin, he is FDR.

And Palin supports a hostile anti-American agenda in AIP. Wished them all kinds of success just this year in an unseemly governor's meeting. She is the WORST. PICK. EVER.

Failed Business Owner. Check
Failed Mayor. Check
Corrupt Governor. Check
Hypocritical Mother who limited her own daughter's access to information, birth control or family planning. Check.
Frightening, divisive figure killing the GOP.
May have faked her last son's birth? Awaiting documentation. Crazy? Nothing is impossible when you are on a roll like she is. . .
Tons of juicy stories coming to a supermarket near you!

Check Please!

Transcript

Chuck Todd: Mike Murphy, lots of free advice, we'll see if Steve Schmidt and the boys were watching. We'll find out on your blackberry. Tonight voters will get their chance to hear from Sarah Palin and she will get the chance to show voters she's the right woman for the job Up next, one man who's already convinced and he'll us why Gov. Jon Huntsman.

(cut away)

Peggy Noonan: Yeah.

Mike Murphy: You know, because I come out of the blue swing state governor world: Engler, Whitman, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush. I mean, these guys -- this is how you win a Texas race, just run it up. And it's not gonna work. And --

PN: It's over.

MM: Still McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech to do himself some good.

CT: I also think the Palin pick is insulting to Kay Bailey Hutchinson, too.

PN: Saw Kay this morning.

CT: Yeah, she's never looked comfortable about this --

MM: They're all bummed out.

CT: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?

PN: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this -- excuse me-- political bullshit about narratives --

CT: Yeah they went to a narrative.

MM: I totally agree.

PN: Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it.

MM: You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical.

CT: This is cynical, and as you called it, gimmicky.

MM: Yeah.

Orwell was insightful and prescient but even he never predicted that the marriage of government propaganda with capitalist innovation and market research could be so fruitful.
We saw in 1989 how easily the crude communist propaganda washed off in no time at all.

The current American media is so much more effective with its GOP/Democratic "strategists", think tank "scholars", retired military generals (still on the Pentagon payroll), all the way down to the body language experts.

Its all a giant performance theater.

I make my living as a television audio technician. Myself and every tech I know tells all talent that you never assume that because we are off the air you cannot be seen and heard. Often the home base/master control requires that mics to the remote location be left open inorder to facilitate communication with the on-site talent. It is bad practice to allow talent to turn off their mics between segments. Many times they neglect to turn them back on. Bottom line: if you don't want something thrown out to the world, don't say it until you are sans mic and outside the studio.

I make my living as a television audio technician. Myself and every tech I know tells all talent that you never assume that because we are off the air you cannot be seen and heard. Often the home base/master control requires that mics to the remote location be left open inorder to facilitate communication with the on-site talent. It is bad practice to allow talent to turn off their mics between segments. Many times they neglect to turn them back on. Bottom line: if you don't want something thrown out to the world, don't say it until you are sans mic and outside the studio.

I wasn't able to listen yet. Is this the same episode where Noonan says this Palin choice was pandering, was "bullshit"? They mentioned that on PBS a few hours ago.

Looks like Noonan has already tried to back track, seems to have selective memory about something 3 hours ago.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/declarations.html

Yes, OK, I see that, sorry for the wasted post. I am trying to listen to the GOP convention the same time.

where oh where are our trolling buddies?!?

Was the live mike done on purpose, perhaps, by somebody wanting to capture some candid conversation? Anybody see the old Andy Griffith film A FACE IN THE CROWD?

Lot's of questions on many issues:
How do we know that Trig is a Down baby? They say he is, but have been known to lie for effect.
Birth Certificate? Some have asked for proof of Obama's birth in HI. Do we get to ask the same questions?
I read that Bristol and Levi have been dating for over a year. What is the age of consent in AK and is it "legal" for a 17 year old to have consensual sex with a 15 yr old? What is Bristol's dob? If they 'violated' premarital sex taboos, why would they not also use 'safe sex' practices?
If families are off limits, how can the Reps justify showing the 'families' off for the public?
What kind of job does 'daddy' have lined up? Who is going to support this new family? How do they prevent another pregnancy when this child is born? Abstinence-only? It sure worked the first time. Hockey player turns abstinence-only daddy. Yeh, right! I was 18 once, and I would not have been very responsible with the opportunity to have sex as often as I could.
Very sexist and not approved by Obama. I am not an official surrogate for the Obama/Biden '08 campaign, so I can say what I want.

peace,
st john

"Looks like Noonan has already tried to back track, seems to have selective memory about something 3 hours ago.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/declarations.html"

Noonan's piece is hilarious. Grade A bullshit.

I personally blame professional sports for the demise of the Republic, because sports begat ESPN and ESPN begat (stylistically) Fox News, and Fox News corrupted political culture.

Don't forget Roone Arledge

Could they be so incredibly stupid and mislead that they actually think McFool is great! More likely saying that for the others Repugs in the conversation.

And yet Noonan will get on the air "officially" and not say what she thinks. I knew she was a tool, but really Peggy.

Nooner explains herself in the WSJ.

Well, I just got mugged by the nature of modern media, and I wish it weren't my fault, but it is. Readers deserve an explanation, so I'm putting a new top on today's column and, with the forbearance of the Journal, here it is.

Wednesday afternoon, in a live MSNBC television panel hosted by NBC's political analyst Chuck Todd, and along with Republican strategist Mike Murphy, we discussed Sarah Palin's speech this evening to the Republican National Convention. I said she has to tell us in her speech who she is, what she believes, and why she's here. We spoke of Republican charges that the media has been unfair to Mrs. Palin, and I defended the view that while the media should investigate every quote and vote she's made, and look deeply into her career, it has been unjust in its treatment of her family circumstances, and deserved criticism for this.

When the segment was over and MSNBC was in commercial, Todd, Murphy and I continued our conversation, talking about the Palin choice overall. We were speaking informally, with some passion -- and into live mics. An audio tape of that conversation was sent, how or by whom I don't know, onto the internet. And within three hours I was receiving it from friends far and wide, asking me why I thought the McCain campaign is "over", as it says in the transcript of the conversation. Here I must plead some confusion. In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd -- and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find "This IS a country for old men." That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over."

However, I did say two things that I haven't said in public, either in speaking or in my writing. One is a vulgar epithet that I wish I could blame on the mood of the moment but cannot. No one else, to my memory, swore. I just blurted. The other, more seriously, is a real criticism that I had not previously made, but only because I hadn't thought of it. And it is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? I didn't ask these questions or mention them, I just thought them. Later in the morning, still pondering this, I thought of something that had happened exactly 20 years before. It was just after the 1988 Republican convention ended. I was on the plane, as a speechwriter, that took Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, and the new vice presidential nominee, Dan Quayle, from New Orleans, the site of the convention, to Indiana. Sitting next to Mr. Quayle was the other senator from that state, Richard Lugar. As we chatted, I thought, "Why him and not him?" Why Mr. Quayle as the choice, and not the more experienced Mr. Lugar? I came to think, in following years, that some of the reason came down to what is now called The Narrative. The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it's not where they live, it's not what they're about, it's too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don't like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won't be something in between.

But, bottom line, I am certainly sorry I blurted my barnyard ephithet, I am certainly sorry that someone abused my meaning in the use of the words, "It's over", and I'm sorry I didn't have the Kay Baily Hutchison thought before this morning, because I could have written of it. There. Now: onto today's column.

Wednesday afternoon, in a live MSNBC television panel hosted by NBC's political analyst Chuck Todd, and along with Republican strategist Mike Murphy, we discussed Sarah Palin's speech this evening to the Republican National Convention. I said she has to tell us in her speech who she is, what she believes, and why she's here. We spoke of Republican charges that the media has been unfair to Mrs. Palin, and I defended the view that while the media should investigate every quote and vote she's made, and look deeply into her career, it has been unjust in its treatment of her family circumstances, and deserved criticism for this.

When the segment was over and MSNBC was in commercial, Todd, Murphy and I continued our conversation, talking about the Palin choice overall. We were speaking informally, with some passion -- and into live mics. An audio tape of that conversation was sent, how or by whom I don't know, onto the internet. And within three hours I was receiving it from friends far and wide, asking me why I thought the McCain campaign is "over", as it says in the transcript of the conversation. Here I must plead some confusion. In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd -- and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find "This IS a country for old men." That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over."

However, I did say two things that I haven't said in public, either in speaking or in my writing. One is a vulgar epithet that I wish I could blame on the mood of the moment but cannot. No one else, to my memory, swore. I just blurted. The other, more seriously, is a real criticism that I had not previously made, but only because I hadn't thought of it. And it is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? I didn't ask these questions or mention them, I just thought them. Later in the morning, still pondering this, I thought of something that had happened exactly 20 years before. It was just after the 1988 Republican convention ended. I was on the plane, as a speechwriter, that took Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, and the new vice presidential nominee, Dan Quayle, from New Orleans, the site of the convention, to Indiana. Sitting next to Mr. Quayle was the other senator from that state, Richard Lugar. As we chatted, I thought, "Why him and not him?" Why Mr. Quayle as the choice, and not the more experienced Mr. Lugar? I came to think, in following years, that some of the reason came down to what is now called The Narrative. The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it's not where they live, it's not what they're about, it's too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don't like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won't be something in between.

But, bottom line, I am certainly sorry I blurted my barnyard ephithet, I am certainly sorry that someone abused my meaning in the use of the words, "It's over", and I'm sorry I didn't have the Kay Baily Hutchison thought before this morning, because I could have written of it. There. Now: onto today's column.

What is so hilarious is that these three, Todd, Murphy and Noonan, are such leading exponents, such prime purveyors of the deeply spurious, quintessentially conservative, "autheticity" narrative!

Note to Noonan: When you find yourself in a hole of your own making, stop digging. It's not about the "barnyard epithet", Peg, it's about the lying.

Shorter Crazy Dolphin Lady: who are you gonna believe, me or your lying ears?

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