I just wanna know if she actually sold the state plane on Ebay.

the republican party has reached the point where it only cares about how something sounds, not whether it's true.

The Republicans probably have to lie because they've made Obama's experience the centerpiece of their campaign...

Joe Scarborough just asked Tucker Bounds if he would want Palin sitting at the table when they discuss sending troops into Pakistan. Bounds replied, of course, she has plenty of executive experience. Good thing we're not talking about issues this year.

"lying is so unbecoming" to who, Steve?

certainly not to Republicans who cheered every time RooDee or Mittens lips moved last night (which, by definition, meant they were lying).

or to the MSM, who seem to be giving Palin fairly unanimous rave reviews this morning - which they also gave Obama, although it is mindbending to try and comprehend how one could praise both speeches given that one called for unity and the other was the most divisive since Buchanan circa 1992.

apparently not the great masses of the voting public, many of whom voted for W twice.

really, are we sure lying is even remotely considered a bad thing anymore in this country? or were you just, um, lying about it being unbecoming? (if you were, you, too, may be qualified for a national ticket!)

Ten Things I Learned from last night’s Republican Convention

1. A real tan is better than a fake tan. (I had no idea Mitt Romney was orange!)

2. Sarah Palin attacks with one hand and hides behind her kids with the other.

3. A woman can lie just as well as a man. (Still with the “Bridge to Nowhere” lie?)

4. Republicans don’t have any new ideas to solve America’s problems.

5. Cowgirl diplomacy won’t be any better than cowboy diplomacy.

6. A baby with Down Syndrome makes a much better prop than greek columns.

7. Republicans enjoy abuse of power wherever they can find it – it’s a sign of strength.

8. Republicans are opposed to organized communities.

9. John McCain was a POW.

10. Cindy McCain just LOVES “red meat”, and she looks strange in day glo green.

The AP has a story which basically calls the GOP liars and then lists the lies and the truth. It's odd. It's like, ummmm, journalism or something.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/ap-attacks-praise-stretch_n_123771.html

Maybe the folks at AP have decided to reign in the McCain surrogate in Washington and actually be a news service again.

The AP has a story which basically calls the GOP liars and then lists the lies and the truth. It's odd. It's like, ummmm, journalism or something.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/ap-attacks-praise-stretch_n_123771.html

Maybe the folks at AP have decided to reign in the McCain surrogate in Washington and actually be a news service again.

The Palin-McCain campaign knows that they can lie with impunity. The fawning, obsequious courtiers to America's corporate aristocracy who are the highly-paid "on-air personalities" of the corporate-owned mass media, and the fatuous "pundits" of the corporate-owned print media, will never, ever call them out on their lies. They are not paid to perform a "public service" by impartially informing the American people about truth and facts. They are paid to propagandize on behalf of their owners, America's Ultra-Rich Ruling Class, Inc., and their ruthless class war against everyone else. They answer to the same corporate masters as Palin and McCain.

"That's just insane."
Not if you see it through the lens of McCan't's job being to launch Palin onto the public stage, by any means necessary. Once she's over the hump, all this will be old news, and she'll be the standard bearer for the New Republican Party.

I think everyone's missing the big question. The governor of Alaska is obviously vital to our national security. But who will defend us while she's out campaigning? Who can step into those mighty shoes? Is the vice-governor of Alaska up to that job?

I just wanna know if she actually sold the state plane on Ebay.

Apparently so.

McCain offered to educate Obama on national security by escorting him on a trip to Iraq. McCain could have just conceded the obvious and told everyone that educating Palin on national security was now one of his main tasks and that she would be up to speed by inauguration day. Simple, straight answer.

But McCain is caught in a trap of his own making and does not have the right stuff to get out of it. McCain pissed in his own boot and now he is drinking from it. But that is Johnny, the real deal, stubborn as GW.

"The problem here is that McCain and his campaign keep lying about this."

It continues to amaze me that people find this amazing.

Recipe for a Republican Convention Evening

Ingredients:

6 gallons of John McCain was a tortured POW.
6 gallons of Barack Obama will raise your taxes.
6 gallons of Mock Obama and Democrats for pure sport.
1 gallon of Mavericky Maverick Mav juice.

Combine ingredients then add a dash of granddaddy worship and fear of foreigners. Bottle in gallon jugs. Liberally coat the mouth of the jug with salt from tears from stories of John McCain's torture, then chug.

Has anyone discussed the e-mail going around from Anne Kilkenny, a resident of Alaska? Just wondering if the blogs have picked it up and whether there is substance to it.

Echo Ross Douthat: Lefties...Don't attack Palin at all. Let the press do the job.

Attack the lack of Republican vision on, well anything, the partisanship, perhaps the cynicism, the Rovian tactics...but not her.

Repubs are trying to drag the left into a culture war. Not good for us, the country, or an Obama admin.

I think it would be prudent to ask anyone making the argument about Palin's experience by osmosis what other subject that is true for and who else has benefited from experience by osmosis. Maybe it's a singularity. Maybe it's only foreign policy and maybe it's only Sarah Palin.

hear hear jvoe.

focus on mccain and his policies and the failure of the Republicans for the last 8 years.

the media is on the trail not because they care, but because it's a good story which will fill air time.

above the fray, focus on the issues, to some extent, they might even ignore Palin. she is, after all, the VP nominee.

Meanwhile, the Dow is down 150 points so far this morning. So, according to the Kudlow Theory, the markets are worried about the prospect of Palin as VP. Or maybe he'll argue that it shows the speech was so bad that the markets now think Obama will win which, of course, will be Bad for the Economy. If anyone hears him make either of these arguments (or something equally inane) on CNBC, let us know, would you?

The problem here is that McCain and his campaign keep lying about this. Instead of crafting a compelling defense for Palin's lack of qualifications, the Republican campaign just creates its own reality.

I disagree, Steve. The problem is the so-called "liberal media" keeps letting the Republicans get away with it.

#1 Osmosis is a scientific fact/theory. Palin comes form the right that does not believe in science, only the word of the right wing.

#2 What is scary is Republican rhetoric is repeated so many times Americans believe it is fact. There are Americans who will not look any further than what is plastered on TV and the front of newpapers and magazines. These are the people the Republican party targets so Republicans can win. I pray there are enough discerning Americans who will vote against rhetoric and for substance of issues affecting out country..
Palin was like a cheerleader last night. Her method is affective as she was able to win as governor with just as slim a resume as for VEEP.I can't wait iuntil the debate with Biden. Also is Palin running fort VEEP or Pres? I got confused in her speech.

Voters Be aware.

howard: the republican party has reached the point where it only cares about how something sounds, not whether it's true.

Hell, they reached that point with Ronald Reagan, if not Tricky Dick.

Sarah Palin commands the Alaskan National Guard in much the same way that the Queen of England commands the military in Great Britain.

But you know what's not foreign policy experience? Obama's work on the nonproliferation issue.

It should be apparent to anyone - Democrats, Republicans, members of the press, etc. - that the McCain campaign will claim anything in order to get elected, regardless of consistency, ideology, or basic common sense. The Dems should really focus on calling them out as the bullshit artists they are.

Few have been as unprepared as Palin, but that need not be a deal breaker.

Yeah, actually, it does need to be a deal breaker. "Unprepared", in Palin's case, encompasses more than lack of directly relevant experience, it also encompasses a lack of evidenced knowledge of the broad issues, a demonstrated lack of the appropriate temperament, and a demonstrated recklessness.

And then there's this:

"He's never visited south of our border."

Seems like a moronic throw-away line, sure. But what do we know about Palin? She never got a passport until 2007. She then travelled to Kuwait and Germany (with a much-ballyhooed layover in Ireland). And that's it. So apparently she's never been south of our border, either.

Yes, John McCain has become an unmitigated bullshit artist. He seems like a man possessed by the idea of out-doing the failures of W. on every pathetic, nauseating level.

cmdicely wrote: Yeah, actually, it does need to be a deal breaker. "Unprepared", in Palin's case, encompasses more than lack of directly relevant experience, it also encompasses a lack of evidenced knowledge of the broad issues, a demonstrated lack of the appropriate temperament, and a demonstrated recklessness.

I'm not sure if you meant a demonstrated recklessness on McCain's part, but if not, McCain's recklessness in picking her is the biggest deal-breaker of all. We've been given a picture of how McCain makes important decisions of major national consequence, and his method sucks.

What did the "he never visited south of our border" have to do with this? He said it twice in that interview.

McCain is giving a laundry list of talking points instead of arguments to back up the point he is making. Strange.

whereas Johnny Reckless often travels south of the border. . . in search of cheap tequila and hook-ups! (well, ok, that was the younger days. now just for cheap trinkets and cheap viagra.)

The reason is that, as usual, Republicans want to have it both ways. They want to continue the "Obama isn't experienced" meme... while at the same time push their unqualified VP as the sixteenth coming of Ronald Reagan.

And if you heard Palin's speech... that's obviously going to continue. As Reagan proved, Republican politicians only need one skill- to be able to believe their own lies.

Between the "5% of the time" Maverick and the America-hating Alaskan socialist, it's one hell of a ticket they've slapped together there. The really comedy is watching Republicans convince themselves that these people are great leaders, and paradoxically just like them.

What they need to do is have some anti-abortion terrorists kidnap her and torture her by showing her pictures of Obama. Then they could have some elite Alaskan Delta Force rescue her. Then when someone questions her, she can say I was a Prioner of War and they tortured me.

@howard: perfectly stated.

"Instead of crafting a compelling defense for Palin's lack of qualifications, the Republican campaign just creates its own reality."

And your point is what, precisely?

The reason people tell lies is because they work. They convince people of something that the liar wants them to believe, even though it's not the truth. The only way to get someone to stop lying is to ensure that it stops working.

I'm pretty sure Obama has been to Mexico, so add that to your list of McCain lies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/02/obama-on-college-trips-to_n_89421.html

"...and it smells of sulfur still today, this table that I am now standing in front of."

I don't blame McCain for lying as long as he's allowed to get away with it. Next-day fact check articles are worthless.In fact, they are WORSE than worthless.

It allows the media to pretend they are doing their job, when what really needs to happen is Charlie Gibson calling McCain on his bullshit WHILE HE IS LYING.

Letting him spread that crap unchallenged only to "clarify" later is just what McCain wants.

I'll be glad when the negative attack harpy flies back to Alaska, presumably brushing up on her proximity to Russia/fake foreign policy cred and Good old John McSame is back in the Senate getting his ass handed to him by a Democratic President, Vice President and House and Senate majorities. Where are we as a nation today, on the moon? I unfortunately can believe that up to half of this country is gleefully swallowing the Republican ticket peuso-soccermom-religious bullshit being offered (again…. Ronald Reagan, Whoop-de-do!!!) while losing their homes, jobs and getting ass-raped at the local "gas and sip". Amazing!

Is it true that the nation's governors are coalescing around McCain, since under his presidency they can conduct their own foreign policy?

Every first year law student knows this, the Supreme Court has ruled, time and time agian, that foreign affairs is the exclusive jurisdiction of the federal government. In fact, state governers don't even have the right to negotiate directly with Indian reservations inside their own states, without the permission of the Federal government.

She has no foreign affairs experience. So, yes, they are just making it up - pure fabrication.

*psuedo

pseudo.. Okay I'll give up now..

You quote McCain: "She's the commander of the Alaskan National Guard. [Obama] said that Iran was a tiny problem. He's never visited south of our border. He has no experience on these issues. She has been in charge and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities."

Given this train of thought, it appears that McCain thinks "Iran" and "south of the border" are somehow connected. Does he think Iran is south of the border? We know that he has big problems remembering countries (Czechoslovakia) and borders (Iraq and Afghanistan), but this is rediculous. Maybe he's confusing Iran and Venezuela.

But as for the National Guard/national security comments that brackett the Iran/south of the border nonsense, I wouldn't go there. Surely it's clear that Palin has brilliantly used her forces to keep the Russkies out of Alaska, just as Jeb Bush and Charlie Crist have used the National Guard to prevent Cuba from invading Florida.

Just a suggestion, but it might be good idea to showcase Palin's "experience". Since the international experience is dominated by her dealing with Russia (being so close to Alaska and all), maybe someone can ask her some questions that highlight her Russian experience. Here are a few questions and answers:

The Kamchatka peninsula and the the Chukchi Peninsula are the parts of Russia closet to Alaska. Indeed, these parts of Russia share a park between the two nations. What park is that?
The Bering Land Bridge National Preserve which is managed by the US National Park Service and the (Russian) Beringia Nature-Ethnic Park

Could you name the biggest city in Kamchatka?
Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky (198,000)

What is the nearest Russian state (Oblast) to Alaska?
Chutotka

What is the principle city in Chukotka?
Anadyr

What is its population?
Over 11,000

Who was governor of Chukotka from 2000-2008?
Roman Abramovich

Is he wealthy, middle class or poor?
He is a billionaire

Abramovich resigned as governor recently. Who accepted his resignation?
Dmitri Medvedev, President of Russia

I would be shocked if Gov. Palin could answer more that one or two of these basic questions about the "neighbor" she has "experience" with.

You refer to McCain's claim that one of Palin's "primary responsibilities" as governor of Alaska is "national security."

Having spent 8 years trashing the Constitution, the Republicans are now trashing everything I ever learned about federalism. Actually, of course, local and state authorities have "primary responsibility" not for "national security," but for "law enforcement."

Palin's record: She fired both the city police chief and the state director of public safety for personal/political reasons.

Whats the difference between a hockey mom and and pitbull?

Nothing when a rRussian army tank rolls over them.

Again, you miscreant dimocrats miss the point!

Fact: If the Ruskies launched nuke missles against us, they would cross Alaska.

Fact: As Commander-In-Chief of the Alaska, Sarah Palin prevented that from happening.

Conclusion: Sarah Palin has ample national security experience and is highly qualified to be the Commander-In-Chief of the military forces of the United States.

Fact: Sarah Palin has visited multiple foreign countries, including Canada, Kuwait, Germany, and Ireland.

Conclusion: Sarah Palin is uniquely qualified to provide leadership for the U.S. in international affairs.

Fact: Sarah Palin is indorsed by James Dobson.

Conclusion: That is good enough for me.

If you liberal wienies would get your heads out of your rears, you too would support the candidates who are good white patriotic Americans and stop supporting 'His Arrogance' the Afrikan Muslim elitist.

Conclusion: Sarah Palin has ample national security experience and is highly qualified to be the Commander-In-Chief of the military forces of the United States.

RepublicanPointOfView,

This is an example of something I find disconcerting. Sarah Palin is being touted as a better alternative to Obama. But McCain and Obama are running for the same office -- Palin is running for the vice presidency. She is certainly not running for commander in chief of anything.

Is all the kerfuffle about Palin just a means of pulling attention off of McCain and his obvious problems? If so, it seems to be working rather well.

Again, you miscreant dimocrats miss the point!
Fact: If the Ruskies launched nuke missles against us, they would cross Alaska.

Actually, they would travel over the Arctic circle from the launch points throughout the former Soviet Union, which were spread out to prevent being taken out by our ICBMs. What weapons the Russian military still possesses is spread out, thanks to agreements with various former Republics.

Thanks for playing. How many points did you get with that ridiculous piece of lunacy?

Fact: If the Ruskies launched nuke missles against us, they would cross Alaska.

Fact: As Commander-In-Chief of the Alaska, Sarah Palin prevented that from happening.

How she do that? Put on her Hockey Mom catching mitt, jumped real high and knocked them out of the air? You are an idiot and it is now plain for all to see.

Fact: Sarah Palin has visited multiple foreign countries, including Canada, Kuwait, Germany, and Ireland.

Conclusion: Sarah Palin is uniquely qualified to provide leadership for the U.S. in international affairs.

Those are the ONLY countries she's EVER visited, and it was in 2007 for the first time in her life, so using the word "including" to try to deceive people into thinking there were more countries she visited is not only completely dishonest, but it makes you look like a bigger piece of shit than you already are for attempting it.

And she only stopped over in Ireland - she didn't leave the airport, so stop the lying propaganda. She is qualified to hold a PTA meeting or maybe a hockey camp.

Fact: Sarah Palin is indorsed (sic) by James Dobson.

Conclusion: That is good enough for me.

Fact: Dobson is a lunatic laughing stock who would sleep with his own mother if he thought it would put him closer to power. One McCain might call, "an agent of intolerance"...

Fact: Rebublikkkan pukes lie with scary ease to prop up their hollow lying candidates...

Conclusion: don't listen to a lying word that republikkkan pukes spew....

RepublicanPointOfView -
Shame on you, you wingnut!!1!!!

Don't you know that, based on the apparent willingness of the MSM to give Hanoi Johnny a pass on everything, the nom-de-something "His Arrogance" has been changed to "His Uppityness".

(Written as the lilting strains of "De Camptown Races" plays in the background. Next up: "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot" and "I Get A Kick Out Of You")

Troll Bait and the Facts -
You guys need to take some 'ludes. RepublicanPointOfView was joking

"Joe Scarborough just asked Tucker Bounds if he would want Palin sitting at the table when they discuss sending troops into Pakistan. Bounds replied, of course, she has plenty of executive experience. Good thing we're not talking about issues this year."

Posted by: Danp on September 4, 2008
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Hilarious. LOL

Good thing sending troops into Pakistan isn't...oh wait that is a current issue.

"Sarah Palin, you can not be serious!" -- fake John McEnroe screaming

Maybe he meant it would be okay if she served cake & coffee at the table. You never know with these Republicans.

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