I guess she thought being Governor of Alaska came with a crown and throne. Queen Sarah is not amused.

On the other hand, if she truly had no idea that any of this was going down, what does that say? That she governed in a cone of silence? Even from her husband who made calls?

Criticizing Palin like this is sexist!

Dang Steve, your posting today is prolific even by your standards. How am I supposed to get any work done? ;-)

It would be fun to ask her about her teleprompter heroics, just to get her lying on tape. They wouldn't have run with that story without expecting her to lie about it, and the fact that the rubes at FOX and Drudge bought it means she can't exactly fess up. So it would be fun to have the footage.

You would've thought that the Republicans would have learned their lesson from Watergate. . . it's not the crime, it's the cover-up. . .

Too bad she's not a POW, then she'd be able to get away with it.

The cover-up is getting her into more trouble than the crime. And the stonewalling of the investigation into the cover-up is doing more to keep the story alive than the investigation itself.

That's just the way small towns, small states and small minds work. Luckily nothing like that could happen at a national level. Right Bush?

That's Just What I Said

I don't think we can fault Palin for firing the dude, and assuming her story would never receive this kind of scrutiny.

After all, nobody in their right mind expected her to be McCain's VP.

"Maybe someone needs to remind Sarah Palin that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor." --- MH at Mudflats

Well, THAT explains a lot, doesn't it? Keep on lying Palin, keep on lying governor.

I just don't get the cover up- the ex-husband seems like a bad one and should never be a cop. She hurts her case by making it more about loyalty to her than about his being a douchebag (Unless the story has changed? I'm still under the impression he was/is a jerk). Then to hire someone under sex harassment charges to replace the guy she fires for not properly genuflecting? So...I answered my question. He wasn't her scumbag, ja?

Palin is a stone-cold Revengerator. I pity the son or husband who forgets to take out the garbage at her house.

This doesn't strike me as an effective line of attack. The "it's not the crime, it's the coverup" stories generally do not have the impact you'd hope. People are often more forgiving of lying as long as the person seems clear on the underlying crime. "She had the power to fire at will" will mostly drown out "she lied about her reasons."

And the Right want the media to STOP reporting on this issue? We're picking on the poor girl, eh? I don't think Rebublican indignation is going to do the trick this time. I just hope people aren't quite that stupid...(crossing fingers and eyes)

Well, at least she didn't fire him for not supporting her mayoral bid.

Oh, wait, she did that to some other people.

It's like we've got a little pattern forming. Are we sure she's not better suited for the justice department?

Luckily nothing like that could happen at a national level. Right Bush?

Sexist.

Put the whip down, the pony's dead. The brother-in-law deserved to be fired.. His slap on the wrist 5 day suspension was because:

"Troopers eventually investigated 13 issues and found four in which Wooten violated policy or broke the law or both:

-- Wooten used a Taser on his stepson.

-- He illegally shot a moose.

-- He drank beer in his patrol car on one occasion.

-- He told others his father-in-law would "eat a f'ing lead bullet" if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce his supervisors'."
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/45694.html

You're on crack if you think the public will be scandalized because a governor fired a political appointee for protecting a dirtbag who threatened to shoot the governor's father.

As democrats we always do this.. This troopergate is crap.. You guys want to be on the side of this slimeball brother-in-law.. fine.. The guy is a criminal and I can see a soft on crime ad coming through and soon. Go after stuff that makes sense, not this soft on crime crap you guys are pushing. She is such a weak candidate, she will implode.. I don't know why you guys are troubled. Obama can double down and go full time into transition planning now.

They don't care.

They won't listen.

Only thing that matters to the right is that she is pro-life.

If Obama starts swinging punches -- they will counter-attack with:

1) you are sexist
2) you are angry
3) you are inexperienced

These guys lie because they know it works. There's just no price to pay when you lie. Perhaps the only thing that might have gotten a rise would be if she hired someone to shoot the guy in the kneecaps. Otherwise, this shit will never stick.

I think Palin is out of her league though and this 1950s pitbull bullshit persona is going to look damn foolish once Obama's tai chi attitude prevails. Even Biden's initial remarks were rather soft.

She's going to come across as a belligerent bitch and Hillary supporters are going to come flocking back to Obama wearing new t-shirts: We know Hillary, Hillary is a friend of ours, Palin, you're no Hillary.

beowulf,

In the United States of America, even dirtbags are innocent until proven guility. Why bother to have laws since none of them apply to Republicans?

The first interview I saw of her, she lied about the "bridge to nowhere" and the pattern was set, no matter how often the truth emerges. You have to understand the mentality of the fundies. They have no concept of hyprocrisy or truth-telling as it pertains to their own words or actions. In their hearts, they are always right at the moment. If a fellow fundie calls them out, they are being disloyal. And a call-out by a non-fundie is laughable, since they are all unworthy. You'll never get a fundie to debate you on even terms, nor will you ever get one to compromise on an issue. It's their way or the highway. It's about time this stuff came out in the open instead of tip-toeing around it. You don't want them leading a secular nation.

jesus fucking christ ... why not just lock the brother-in-law in Gitmo and be done with it? Why have laws at all?

seriously, there is an entire generation and/or ethno-geographic segment of our country that either needs to grow up, learn something, get out of the way, or die off.

"Maybe someone needs to remind Sarah Palin that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor." --- MH at Mudflats

I just love that.

As for Sarah and her brother-in-law, she needed to get him arrested, not fired. But the fact that she punished a public official for not violating the law means she is exactly the same kind of power abusing person she is supposed to be reforming against.

He was found "guilty". Its an employment action, not a criminal trial so his case was heard as an internal administrative case and not a criminal trial. I only listed the 4 of 13 allegation the State Troopers' found to be true-- God knows what the other 9 allegations were.

What's at issue here is what the appropriate punishment is IF after a fair hearing, one has determined that a cop has tazed an 11 year, hunted illegally, drank on the job (behind the wheel!) and threatened to shoot his father-in-law.

I would humbly suggest that Palin is absolutely right, a cop like that does not deserve to wear a badge. But you may think defending the 5 day suspension is the smart play. Good luck with that.

The bridge to nowhere lie is the bigger fish here folks. It's the one more people should be focusing on.

Did anybody else notice that in the video about why she fired Monegan, she says she offered him the directorship of the Alcoholic Beverage Control board? About three weeks before she fired him for, allegedly, not doing enough about bootlegging? (start at 3:42 into the video and go to 4:14)

I know I'm a suspicious and cynical old faht, but it seems to me like that was an attempt to shuffle Monegan out of the Director of Public Safety job without having to actually fire him. Didn't work, so she canned him.

And, yes, the ex-brother-in-law is a bit of a shit. May belong behind bars. Probably doesn't need to get fired and put out on the street with his well-armed rage.

To add to the "family feud" and "the woman is a snake" theme: has anyone else noticed that Sarah Palin appears to be the daughter-in-law from hell who thwarted her own mother-in-law's run for mayor of Wasilla by running her own candidate against her? The reason? The mother-in-law was pro choice.

Has anybody else noticed that this thing is starting to look less and less like a referendum on Obama and more and more like a referendum on Palin??

beowulf wrote: "The brother-in-law deserved to be fired."

Then why did Sarah Palin lie, repeatedly, publicly, about trying to get him fired? Why did Sarah Palin lie, repeatedly, publicly, about her reasons for firing the official who refused to fire him?

Guess what, Sarah Palin's ex-brother-in-law is not running for national office. Sarah Palin is. Why are you running and hiding from the fact that Sarah Palin has been shown to be a deliberate liar?

Is it because you are a weak-minded, ignorant mental slave of right-wing extremist propaganda who is incapable of doing anything but regurgitating scripted Republican talking points?

Beowulf by your logic Bush and most of his cronies should be behind bars now. If you didn't know this already this is a nation of laws. It's one of the few things that seperates us from the third world countries and banana republics where dictators wield absolute power.

"Is it because you are a weak-minded, ignorant mental slave..."

Maybe I am, I supported Edwards in the primaries--- which I feel dumb about now. And yes, I think the Bush admin officials have gotten away with many, many crimes that the Cilnton administration would have been hammered fir.. If we still had the Independent Counsel law in effect, the Bush crew would have been (justifiably) pursued by a dozen Ken Starrs.

On economic issues in particular, I think McCain ad Palin are completely off track (told you I was an Edwards voter), and that alone is a solid reason to go with Obama. My point is, don't keep pushing an issue that makes Palin look like the good guy.

beowulf: "My point is, don't keep pushing an issue that makes Palin look like the good guy."

Why does the revelation that Palin has repeatedly, publicly lied make her "look like the good guy"?

Why does the revelation that Palin has a history of abusing the power of public office to punish people she doesn't like make her "look like the good guy"?

Do you understand the meaning of the term "concern troll"?

Her scandalous governing record is what qualifies her and the main reason she elevated in the party so quickly. Her claim to the vice presidency relies on it - she reached levels of corruption quicker than any GOPer ever believed possible, and look at the party, hell look at the administration. They needed a candidate who could step right in in the event something were to happen to the geriatric senator.

I would humbly suggest that Palin is absolutely right, a cop like that does not deserve to wear a badge. But you may think defending the 5 day suspension is the smart play. Good luck with that.

Then why didn't she say that instead of lying about it? Why not say "yeah, I did it and it was the right thing to do"? Instead she lied, said "nope, nope me, never had a hand in it" until the truth came out.

Honest people don't tend to lie about perfectly legal and justifiable things that they did, do they? So if she's lying.....

After reading about Sara Palin, it occurs to me that Sarah Palin just might be qualified to be president... if that president is George W. Bush.

* She took a surplus and turned it into a deficit. Just like George W. Bush.

* She cut taxes on the rich and businesses, and shifted burdens to the middle class. Just like George W. Bush.

* She wasted government money on a boondoggle (the sportscenter) that no one needed, while ignoring the infrastructure needs. Just like George W. Bush. (Iraq)

* She fired competent and experienced government employees and replaced them with loyal unqualified sycophants. Just like George W. Bush.

* She refuses to listen to science and insists on replacing inserting her own religious beliefs into government. Just like George W. Bush.

And this list goes on and on.

Sarah Palin, ready on day one.... to be George W. Bush.

The key is, as Steve said, she lied when she didn't have to -- the hallmark of the reflexive liar she is. The night of her nomination, there was a panel where bothe Democratic women -- including, I think, Rachel Maddow -- were saying, "Give her a pass on this, the guy deserved to be fired" -- and I can't disagree.

If she'd just said, "Yes, I wanted my brother-in-law fired because he was a danger to the community. When Monegan didn't fire him, I fired Monegan. It is regrettable that his successor turned out to have problems of his own, but I was unaware of them when i hired him" the whole story would probably be dead.

Instead, she lied in Alaska about it, and got a bi-partisan committee investigating her, and all the rest, and she has lied about it since.

For someone who claims to be an ordinary American, Palin herself is amazingly out of touch with reality. The RSR attempts to gild the teleprompter is silly and easily debunked. O'Lielly's crickets on Bristol when he ripped Jamie Lynn (and her mom) for JL's baby underscores the IOKIYAR criterion for the MSM.

IF Wooten is this level of scumbag, then she could have fired him in the open [I'm sure even Alaska has a process for this], and then there would be no more questions. But, she tried to do this quietly. Good policy and decisions can stand the light of day.

Lying about the affair is a character issue, and makes me wonder whether she can tell the truth about anything. So, after some more reflection I can see where Palin just might screw up the Manchurian Candidate scenario Rove/Cheney has been trying to go with here. She's shameless enough to not go quietly when it is her time. Tee hee hee.

I have no idea if she's lying and if so, about
what. I'm just assuming the worst possible case against her-- that she directed the effort to have the brother in law fired and then fired the public safety commissioner when he didn't comply.

My point is, even if she did lie (and humans lie for all sorts of illogical reasons), so what? Its not like she fired Serpico or something. The Alaska State Troopers know very well the B-I-L is a creep and were I in Palin's position, I'd try to get him bounced too. And if the public safety director played the thin blue line act with me (after all, child-tazering cops are still cops), I'd fire him.

Right, I'm a real concern troll--- I just started posting here yesterday after getting my marching orders from Karl Rove. Idiot.

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This is to beowulf, AS and anybody else saying that the B-I-L deserved whatever Palin tried to do to him.

Lets be very clear, the record so far does not give us enough information to make that judgement.

Palin and her family reportedly gave the Alaaska State Patrol 13 different incidents of alleged misconduct, we have so far only heard of the four that the patrol acted on. Maybe the other nine charges were worse but couldn't be substantiated, maybe there were even more ridiculous than the one about killing a moose without the proper permit.

Speaking of the moose incident: none of the reports I have seen said when this happened. They have said that his wife (Sarah Palin's sister) had a permit that she didn't intend to use and that Sarah Palin's father was with him at the time. Sounds to me like he and his wife both applied for permits in the hopes that one of them would get one and that the entire family new about this attempt to evade the state hunting laws and had no problem with it until they needed ammo for the custody battle. If he had been caught at the time, it would probably have been resolved with a fine.

Drinking in his patrol car: again, no info in any of the reports I have seen on when this happen or what it involved. If he had a single beer while sitting in the car on the side of the road, it would be against the law and against dept. policy but not the kind of the that makes him into scum. On the other hand, the same language could indicate he was blind drunk while driving and lucky not to kill someone. Still if he wasn't caught at the time, there is a limit to how much the State Patrol can be expected to do about it after the fact.

Tasering his son: this sounds serious, but it is the one we know for certain happpening 5-6 years ago. One report I have seen said that he admitted to this but said he used the lowest 'training' setting and did so because his son wanted to know what it felt like. This shows poor judgement and almost certainly violates dept. policy on use of tasers, but by itself it does not make him a child abuser.

Threatening his father in-law: this is the only one I can see one that might justify trying to get him fired. However, it depends very much on how seriously the threat was taken. If he had a history of violence and the threat was reported right after it happened, then some action might be appropriate. Unless the laws of Alaska differ significantly from Washington, I would have either reported it to local police right when it happened or gone to a judge to seek a restraining order. In most cases, a restraining order associated with threats of violence would be cause to suspend his right to carry. Going to his employer, after an unknown period in which he does not appear to have acted on those threats, does not seem appropriate.

So what we know happened is that Sarah Palin and her family and associates attempted to carry out a vendetta against her former brother in-law in an attempt to influence an ongoing custody battle. On that started before she was elected Governor and that included trying to use the influence of her office to continue it after she took office.

At best, they were honestly concerned that he would carry out his threats against the family, in which case they still went about it the wrong way and created a serious conflict of interest.

At worst, most of the accusations were flimsy and unfounded and she and her family are lucky not to have been charged with filing false complaints.

We still don't have enough information from the stories so far to tell which of these scenarios apply.

Even in the best case, she was not justified in firing Monegan over this issue and she has been caught repeatedly lying about every aspect of this case.

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