Sarah Palin, you ARE a naughty librarian!

I suspect that any attempt to determine the source of the list will prove futile. The fact that it is bogus seems like a tactic from the Rove playbook however.

I asked in an earlier post: Is John McCain losing conttrol of his campaign to Sarah Palin? Is he effectively running for a co-Presidency or worse...his he quickly being seen as second fiddle to his running mate? At what point will this relentless attention sour (there is really no good information coming out about her), and McCain finds himself fighting to take his campaign back from a dead albotross around his neck? She has completely eclipsed him, and he's nearly attached to her like a siamese twin.What happens when he has to wrestle back his position as the head of the ticket?

It's a shame that Leni Riefenstahl died. The RNC could have used her to make a movie on Palin.

Note to McAce/Palin:

Mark Twain once said:

'If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything"

Slowly, even the Wall Street Journal is beginning to see the "light".

Time to begin the narrative: Liar , liar, pants on fire.

How about all the other dept. heads she fired? And what about running for mayor on the campaign slogan
"Wasilla's First Christian Mayor!" against an incumbent named Stein who just happened to be Lutheran.

Jane Isuzu.

The librarian was in the way. She had to go.
These are the types of bold decisions and ripping up of entrenched bureaucrats that will help make Sarah Palin the legend she so richly deserves to be. Watch out, Washington! You entrenched bureaucrats! You congressional librarians sitting on your piles of unused (and therefore representing government waste) books! Anyone who resists? YOU WILL KNOW THAT LIBRARIAN'S NAME! YOU WILL KNOW THAT LIBRARIAN'S NAME!

Why did Palin try to fire the librarian...
Ugh, she did not try. She did it. And then had to back pedal.
It is fair to say she fired a librarian over book banning, yes? She seems to like firing people who get in the way of her Will.

The Obama campaign could do a world of good if Obama himself debunked the list. "There's a list going around on the Internet that is supposed to be a list of books Governor Palin wanted banned -- that list is bogus. There's no list. It's one of those Internet rumors like the stuff about me, and it's got to stop.

It's fair to ask her about her calling the librarian in her home town to ask how she might react if books some people didn't like were removed from the shelves, but there was *no list." You guys in the media need to ask about the stuff that did happen and help me and Governor Palin debunk the stuff that didn't"

Keep the story alive while it looks like you're helping.....

palin pulls these little "tests" of fealty- Ultimate Gotch politics. Can you imagine a cabinet with McCain-it would turn into a revolving door cabinet that didn't pass the "Kodiak Queen's" muster. Pathetic abuse of power. Once is an incident, twice a coincidence, three times is a pattern- which we are starting to see. Some maverick.
Reformation or Inquisition? You decide.

It looks like desperation to me.

"Jane Isuzu" is brilliant.

Much better than Safire's "congenital liar" to describe Hillary Clinton.

Me like.

The librarian was in the way. She had to go. She represented the kind of entrenched bureaucrat that has stultified our government. Look out Washington! Here comes change!

All those congressional librarians sitting on their piles of unread and unused books (because we Americans are so eager to learn, especially from our mistakes). What wasteful big government program protects that shit? Palin will destroy them. Pink mist. That's all that will be left of the congressional librarians that represent the government waste Palin will end, once and for all!

All hail our anti-intellectualism!!!!

We're fucked, people. Obama's gonna lose and we're going to have Palin a heartbeat away from the Oval Office.

As mayor-elect of a town, how exactly does one ask the librarian of that town's public library about book-banning in a "rhetorical" fashion?

Palin: "How do I get that lurid Slaughterhouse Five off the shelf?"

Librarian: "Ha ha, Ms. Mayor, I'm going to assume that was a rhetorical question, giggle a bit, and ask you about your family."

Palin: "Good heavens, why of course it was. I can fire you at will, too. That's great, don't you think?"

While the purported list is bogus, we do know that something happened with regards to Palin and at least a question about book banning.

FAKE BUT ACCURATE!!!

The list is bogus. However, I would like to see Sarah Palin deny that she would ever attempt to remove any of these books for the library.

I asked in an earlier post: Is John McCain losing control of his campaign to Sarah Palin?

Let me get this straight: Ok, the list is bogus, but Palin is now seriously claiming that her discussions about getting rid of certain books was a "rhetorical" question? Sigh. I assume one of the books she wanted banned was the dictionary. So she raised a hypothetical question with the librarian: "What would you say if I ordered you to remove certain books from the library which I found objectionable?"

Librarian: "I would tell you to take a hike, your Honor."

Palin: "You're fired."

See how effective rhetoric can be?

Now you can accessorize and upgrade your Caribou Barbie with dominatrix outfits!

Use the plastic working whip to keep your Cabinet in order! What? You say the local schoolmarm librarian is a dirty little liberal? Use Caribou Barbie's stiletto heels to put her in her place...

Where is the interview of the librarian? Is she still alive? I think if she were to talk, it would clear up a lot of speculation. I don't think I have actually seen a recent interview. Can we have one and silence all this speculation?
peace,
st john

I have a hypothetical question: say I'm governor and my sister is going through a nasty divorce and her husband is a state trooper. How can I fire the fucker?

Purely hypothetically speaking, of course.

What does Palin think "rhetorical" means? She as much as admits that her inquiry about book banning was intended to have an effect, but what effect? What was the purpose of her rhetoric? In some ways it'd be less unsettling if she'd just been seeking information.

What does Palin think "rhetorical" means? She as much as admits that her inquiry about book banning was intended to have an effect, but what effect? What was the purpose of her rhetoric? In some ways it'd be less unsettling if she'd just been seeking information.

@ St. John: She's on "vacation". Seriously.

When the Book of Life is opened at Judgment, it will be interesting to see the source of the list (it'll be around the 20,000th thing I'll check up on), but until then, I'll just go with "Karl 'Bugged Myself' Rove".

According to FactCheck.org, Palin fired the librarian (along with several other people), hired her back the next day, and *then* days later asked her rhetorical/hypothetical questions about removing books from the library.

I still don't understand the whole fired/rehired situation, but if the timeline is correct, then it's not fair to suggest that the librarian was fired because she refused to ban books.

Sarah Palin's lies about the "bridge to nowhere" and earmarks are also just "rhetorical". That makes them OK, just like her cowardly, failed attempt to strongarm a small-town librarian into banning books.

"I suspect that any attempt to determine the source of the list will prove futile. The fact that it is bogus seems like a tactic from the Rove playbook however."

precisely my thoughts, wondering if the daily kos pregnancy thing wasn't a plan as well.

A Dan Rathering of liberal blogs if you will.

Soon after taking office, Palin, according to a New York Times report, fired Baker, and news reports from the time indicate that Palin thought Baker hadn't done enough to give her "full support" to the mayor.

Um, just how much support from the local librarian does a mayor need? Sounds like Sarah thought she was running some feudal fiefdom rather than a small village.

It was a loyalty test. Invented by a narcissistic control freak socialist conservative reformist unreformed earmark & moose-calling champion.

And cuter than a platypus, she is.

Red@acted, you beat me to it. Whenever a really embarrassing story about a Republican surfaces, right away, by some amazing coincidence, some obviously bogus claim or document about it surfaces, and suddenly the subject changes from whether Bush walked away from his National Guard responsibilities to typefonts in the early 1970's, from the story that Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant and unmarried to the question of who Trig Palin's mother is, and so on. The Nixon boys used to call it "ratf***ing."

Sounds like Sarah thought she was running some feudal fiefdom rather than a small village.

By nearly all accounts, this is the way she's approached "executive" positions, whether they be mayoral or gubernatorial. With only 670K residents, what is Alaska but a fiefdom?

For all practical purposes Lieberman *was* the Republican candidate, but he had enough moderates believing he was mostly Democrat-ish to beat Lamont.

The list is almost without a doubt a deliberate invention perpetrated by the Republicans so it can be discredited and, in so doing, discredit (in the public mind) the harder-to-directly-challenge reports that Palin inquired about what she would need to do in order to ban books.

Whether or not the Rather National Guard memos were that kind of invention, they've certainly taught the Republicans the utility of the easily-falsified report that serves to discredit a true or at least harder-to-discredit report.

It just destroys the urban left when heartland sensibilities are in ascension. You guys always act startled, if not miffed, when the majority of Americans remind you that we don't believe that a handful of heavily populated urban areas should control our country. You people can't control violence, crime, civil responsibility (people ignoring their neighbors pleas for help).

The secular progressive paradigm has caught the clap and is trying to give it to everyone else before they get the cure they are running from. Two big needles of antibiotics in their collective (ahem) hind end.

According to FactCheck.org, Palin fired the librarian (along with several other people), hired her back the next day, and *then* days later asked her rhetorical/hypothetical questions about removing books from the library.

I still don't understand the whole fired/rehired situation, but if the timeline is correct, then it's not fair to suggest that the librarian was fired because she refused to ban books.

More likely, she was fired for other inappropriate reasons, and then, when rehired, asked the question as a means of making it clear that Palin was hostile to the librarians role, something you do when you really, really want someone to choose to work somewhere else because you can't get away with firing them.

It just destroys the urban left when heartland sensibilities are in ascension. You guys always act startled, if not miffed, when the majority of Americans remind you that we don't believe that a handful of heavily populated urban areas should control our country. You people can't control violence, crime, civil responsibility (people ignoring their neighbors pleas for help).

The secular progressive paradigm has caught the clap and is trying to give it to everyone else before they get the cure they are running from. Two big needles of antibiotics in their collective (ahem) hind end.

You people can't control violence, crime, civil responsibility (people ignoring their neighbors pleas for help).

Stop it; you're killing us. Alaska has some of the highest rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, domestic violence and incarceration in the country--except that they ship their prisoners to states like Arizona because they can't house most of them themselves. Divorce, teenage pregnancy, illiteracy are almost uniformly higher in primarily rural states. Do social ills become "heartland values" if they don't involve an urban player?

It just destroys the urban left when heartland sensibilities are in ascension.

Dude, you guys have been in power for the last decade.

Look at what your so-called "heartland values" have done to Ohio - we're in the crapper thanks to you guys and the Republican bastards you keep electing.

So take your elitist "I'm so much better because I live in the sticks" attitude and shove. it. I'm sick of it. Folks in the sticks aren't any better than folks in the cities. Aren't any worse, for that matter, but you sure do seem to like to have your egos stroked an awful lot. These Republican pols blow in your ear and you follow them anywhere. Even over a cliff.

How dare people spread lies about Palin!

By the way, did you guys hear Obama is a Muslim?

handful of heavily populated urban areas should control our country.

I am sick of this whole "Real Americans don't live in big cities" attitude. More Americans live in those areas than not. Why shouldn't they have a say, a big say even?

Palin tried to fire the librarian because by all accounts if you weren't with her (and by with her I mean licking her boots) you were against her.

This sounds depressingly familiar.

''We're fucked, people. Obama's gonna lose and we're going to have Palin a heartbeat away from the Oval Office.''

I bet you wish Obama had put Hillary on the ticket instead of Joe "And I know toasty" Biden.

rural americans: "... we don't believe that a handful of heavily populated urban areas should control our country."

No, you believe that a handful of ultra-rich, career white collar crooks and war profiteers should control our country. You believe that the rest of us should be serfs toiling under the jackboot of the hereditary corporate aristocracy.

If you want to be a slave, then please emigrate to Red China and leave America to real, freedom-loving Americans.

Boo-hoo McInsane. I say keep passing the list around. If Palin/McInsane can keep blatantly lying about earmarks, the bridge to nowhere, etc, then we can blatantly lie in service to the objective truth: she DID seek to ban books but was denied that desire before she could do it because of public outcry. The list of books very likely contains at least some of the books she was going to seek to ban.

Nail them to the wall for being book burners.

Here's another rhetorical question:

Say I'm mayor of a fucking tiny-ass nothing city in a state with THE highest per capita rape rate in the country. Can I charge the victims of rape for the "burden" of actually testing them for rape?

This is why dumb-assed anger junkies of a liberal persuasion are such a liability to the movement. When you start making shit up like this phony list, it's not just that you become no better than the circulators of the "Clinton death list" and similar wingnut BS (although that's true); the real problem is that you hand the other side a "get out of jail free card" in the form of the argument, "hey look, the angry left is smearing us!" The fact that their argument is actually true, ie. they really are being smeared with a phony list, efficiently and permanently diverts attention from the original issue, discrediting any further attempts to raise it. Remember Dan Rather and the phony military records? Remember how that completely scuttled Bush's National Guard history as a legitimate issue? Same thing. Jesus people, use your freaking brains!

I'de like to hear the librarian's perspective on this. Is she still alive? If she is, why aren't journalists interviewing her?

Any insight would be appreciated.

the source of the list of book agent adler and robin's website. i got it from a relative and posted it as a diary to dailykos, but removed it when i found out it was fake. i'm not sure i did the right thing though. if the mccain campaign is going to lie--and their irony is rich that they're trying to stop this viral meme--why shouldn't we? sure the list wasn't true, but as farhad manjoo would suggest, it was true enough.

This is the flip side of the Internets. Some theoretically well-meaning but dumbass Democratic voter probably created the e-mail -- or Kos posting -- with the whole list of books in the first place, and now it's backfired.

And, Angry Young Man, to the degree you're at fault, stop trying to excuse yourself.

Manjoo might be ethically right, but in terms of political tactics he's all wet and so are you and your relatives.

***This is why dumb-assed anger junkies of a liberal persuasion are such a liability to the movement. When you start making shit up like this phony list, it's not just that you become no better than the circulators of the "Clinton death list" and similar wingnut BS (although that's true); the real problem is that you hand the other side a "get out of jail free card" in the form of the argument, "hey look, the angry left is smearing us!" The fact that their argument is actually true, ie. they really are being smeared with a phony list, efficiently and permanently diverts attention from the original issue, discrediting any further attempts to raise it. Remember Dan Rather and the phony military records? Remember how that completely scuttled Bush's National Guard history as a legitimate issue? Same thing. Jesus people, use your freaking brains!

Posted by: mibble on September 9, 2008 at 12:55 PM |***

Use YOUR brains, nitwit. Why are you so sure a liberal created the list in the first place? Let's face it, since we're all elitist, if one of use HAD manufactured the list, we would've made sure all of the titles were published pre-1996, when Palin made it an issue. I'd bet a shiny nickel it was a list created by the right to look like it was created by the left, so they could dismiss the entire argument out of hand: "Since Sarah Palin obviously couldn't have asked for THESE books to be banned, therefore, she NEVER asked for ANY books to be banned."

>The list isn't true, and in some instances, >doesn't even make sense

I hate to have to say this but if we want to win this election it's high time we stop caring about whether or not email forwards are true. I've encouraged everyone I know to forward that list far and wide.

Do you think the guys at RedState or Pajamas Media spend time telling their readers that the Obama forwards are untrue? Or that the John Kerry emails were untrue?

Of course not. This is a political campaign and truth, for the time being, is irrelevant. The sooner we liberals learn this lesson the better. we've got 57 days left. We should be smearing Sarah Palin and John McCain via chain emails every chance we get.

Hey, why are you detaining me in this cell?!? Dammit, I've got a flight to catch, and my questions about bomb-making and blowing up airplanes were just rhetorical!

Hey, why are you detaining me in this cell?!?

Stop complaining! Play your cards right and you can base an entire presidential campaign on your time there. If you're dumb; pathologically angry; and wholly without competence, honor or integrity, not to worry. The cell thang is all you need.

The cell thang is all you need.

It's true. Why, my own grandfather was held as a POW by the Americans for five years, and lord knows that qualified him to be the German Chancellor after the war.

Unfortunately there were about five million other German men equally qualified, so it was a tough race.....

I'm confused about the reporting of this occurance. The WSJ names the library director as Mary Ellen Emmons, not Baker. Were there two firings? What's in a name, anyway? Accuracy?

I'm confused about the reporting of this occurance. The WSJ names the library director as Mary Ellen Emmons, not Baker. Were there two firings? What's in a name, anyway? Accuracy?