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September 13, 2008

ABOUT THOSE CROWDS.... In the midst of a massive push by the Obama campaign to undermine the McCain's campaign's credibility, we get yet another example that undermines the McCain's campaign's credibility.

Senator John McCain has drawn some of the biggest crowds of his presidential campaign since adding Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to his ticket on Aug. 29. Now officials say they can't substantiate the figures McCain's aides are claiming.

McCain aide Kimmie Lipscomb told reporters on Sept. 10 that an outdoor rally in Fairfax City, Virginia, drew 23,000 people, attributing the crowd estimate to a fire marshal.

Fairfax City Fire Marshal Andrew Wilson said his office did not supply that number to the campaign and could not confirm it. Wilson, in an interview, said the fire department does not monitor attendance at outdoor events.

At another recent appearance, the McCain campaign boasted of 10,000 people who attended an event in Pennsylvania. Asked how aides arrived at that number, the campaign said the Secret Service provided the figures. Soon after, the Secret Service said it had done no such thing.

In the grand scheme of things, are inflated crowd numbers the next big McCain/Palin scandal? Probably not. But it's all about the context -- this is a campaign that's been lying relentlessly, about matters large and small, non-stop for weeks. Exaggerated crowd figures are minor, but when added to the ever-growing list, it points to a campaign that lies when the truth is nearly as good -- in other words, a Republican ticket that lies even when it doesn't have to.

The Obama campaign asked earlier today, after we learned that Sarah Palin had lied about having been to Iraq, "Americans are starting to wonder, is there anything the McCain campaign isn't lying about?"

Expect to hear that phrase quite a bit.

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Now I'm beginning to wonder - was there a "Miss Mendacity" category in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant?

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on September 13, 2008 at 7:54 PM | PERMALINK

The McCain campaign is entering dangerous territory. Lying about crowd sizes is pretty silly, but as part of the larger picture it one of those things that can easily turn McCain into a joke. He's quickly being branded as a liar. If it also happens that he becomes the butt of jokes it will be hard to recover from that.

I think his appearance on The View is something that will not go away. He was called a liar to his face and he still defended his deceitful ads. That was not a good moment for him, and caught on tape before such a large viewing audience gives it much more weight. He can't wiggle around it.

Posted by: Saint Zak on September 13, 2008 at 8:00 PM | PERMALINK

"Is there anything the McCain campaign isn't lying about?" is a very good meme, and I'd like to hear that in every ad, every public statement.

Or maybe change it to "Is there anything the McCain campaign isn't lying to the American people about?" to emphasize that McCain's and Palin's lies matter because, as mendacious as they are now, they're likely to be even more so if elected. And this country is too deep in trouble to tolerate an Administration that'll be even more incompetent, corrupt and wrongheaded than Bush-Cheney.

Posted by: CaseyL on September 13, 2008 at 8:00 PM | PERMALINK

They just can't not lie. The attention to Palin has highlighted McCain's own lying and in fact increased its frequency and brazenness. When she goes down, he goes down.

That's Just What I Said

Posted by: Dale on September 13, 2008 at 8:01 PM | PERMALINK

Just cannot believe this is the McCain of yesteryear. The Grand Marshall of a "Maverick" fades to black... he exists no more. How very sad!

Posted by: Goeffe on September 13, 2008 at 8:06 PM | PERMALINK

Just cannot believe this is the McCain of yesteryear. The Grand Marshall of a "Maverick" fades to black... he exists no more. How very sad!

Posted by: Goeffe on September 13, 2008 at 8:06 PM | PERMALINK

Personally, if I were the Secret Service, I wouldn't appreciate being dragged into the middle of the campaign like the McCain people did.

I think that's extremely disrespectful to people charged with your safety and security.

Posted by: Robert on September 13, 2008 at 8:07 PM | PERMALINK

Lying is my number one unforgivable trait of the Bush Admin. It is equivalent to Habeas Corpus as the foundation of our system of laws. Without it, none of the other parts of our government can work.

The problem for McCain is that once you lie about something easy to prove is a lie, and continue to defend it with ever increasing qualifications, you give the Obama campaign free license to use it over and over again.

In fact, when McCain counter-attacks, he will either extend the lie or prove how misleading he is trying to be. Lies cover you like old motor oil, and the more petty the lie the better, lying about unimportant stuff is a very bad sign.

Posted by: tomj on September 13, 2008 at 8:09 PM | PERMALINK

That NY Times feature on Palin is chilling. She is ruthless, petty, vindictive, and a reflexive liar. The woman is a female version of Willie Stark. She must be kept from gaining more power. She is dangerous.

Posted by: Karen on September 13, 2008 at 8:09 PM | PERMALINK

""They just can't not lie. The attention to Palin has highlighted McCain's own lying and in fact increased its frequency and brazenness. When she goes down, he goes down."

I've said before, its like they're running for a co-Presidency. He's put himself in a bad spot. Here interview on ABC was a disaster all around. She doesn't really bring anything to the ticket that wasn't a house of cards built on a foundation of lies. He was anxious, even giddy, to let her swallow his campaign whole like a bull frog cannibalizing one of its own. I thought he could have string Palin-mania long till November, but it seems like its not going to happen. He's going to have a difficult time pulling himself free. His credibilty is already well on the way to being trashed.

Posted by: Saint Zak on September 13, 2008 at 8:09 PM | PERMALINK

But why did the say "integrity" rather than "honor"?

John McCain would rather lose his honor than lose an election.

has more punch and would get under their skin more. McPOW and the Repugs are very attached to 'honor'. Integrity has a sort of intellectual wonky ring to it, and manifestly something they don't care about. Also, 'honor' rhythms better (with two syllables) than 'integrity' (with three syllables).

Is this being too picky? I don't think so - for sound-bites it has to perfect to resonate and catch.

[Repeating what I have just appended this to an earlier post]

Posted by: Goldilocks on September 13, 2008 at 8:13 PM | PERMALINK

Going by the polling, however, it's obvious McCain is enjoying a very substantial surge in popularity. I don't know if he really needs to inflate his crowd numbers after picking Palin.

The Obama people have been caught completely flat-footed by this. I hope they make the adjustment soon before this gets completely away from them.

Posted by: g. powell on September 13, 2008 at 8:13 PM | PERMALINK

Did Palin lie when she said she had never met a foreign head of state? Or did the President of Iceland just not make much of an impression?

Posted by: Grumpy on September 13, 2008 at 8:14 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder what all this lying is going to look like when we get to the debates. Barack and Joe should probably practice looking very skeptical and amazed. This is one time when facial expressions and body language could be way more powerful than just calling McCain a liar to his face.

Posted by: bcinaz on September 13, 2008 at 8:23 PM | PERMALINK

Grumpy - She never got off the plane in Ireland.

Also, according to the commander of the Alaska National Guard unit she supposedly visited in Iraq, she never got beyond the checkpoint near the border in Kuwait. Yet the campaign insists she was in Iraq - another outright lie.

Posted by: bob in fla on September 13, 2008 at 8:28 PM | PERMALINK

I think this has a lot of momentum and power. I was skeptical of the flip-flopping charge because it only serves to seed doubts of McCain's extremism. ("The real McCain is reasonable. He's just playing to his right wing base but he won't be like that in office." With Kerry, it worked in the opposite direction - "He sounds reasonable, but he's just pandering and is a left-wing radical at heart.")

But a campaign filled with lies goes to the heart of McCain's character and strength WHILE also feeding into the notion that McCain-Palin would just be a continuation of the bankrupcty of the past eight years.

Posted by: MO on September 13, 2008 at 8:30 PM | PERMALINK

The serial lying is starting to feel ominous.
Once a culture tolerates it, any sin becomes possible.

Posted by: koreyel on September 13, 2008 at 8:33 PM | PERMALINK

"Palin for President" is really the essence of the McCain campaign now.

Her credentials are nothing to do with experience, competence, integrity, or any of these minimum requirements for the highest office in the land. No, her frenzied, celebrity appeal comes directly from her fundamentalist, born-again, Christian cult status. There is a vast, quasi-secret network of extremist Christian end-timers on the far right whom her arrival on the scene has now deliriously energized. These fanatics have substantial power, influence and resources which the advent of Palin has finally ignited. When they inject their hitherto dormant, venomous enthusiasm into the election all hell breaks loose.

This is the origin of this Palin surge, and should be known for what it is. It is not trivial.

Posted by: Goldilocks on September 13, 2008 at 8:36 PM | PERMALINK


They have used "honor" in at least two responses over the last week, so I think they're just switching it up a little. [One along the lines of, "now we know why he couldn't define 'honor' to Time last week" and one about a "dishonorable" attack.]

Posted by: mo on September 13, 2008 at 8:36 PM | PERMALINK

I had friends who attended the huge New York anti-war demonstrations in the sixties. One told me, "I looked ahead of me and all I could see were people. I looked behind me and all I could see were people. I thought, the whole world is here. The next day, the papers and TV would report that a few thousand people had turned up." I think American politicians and press have been lying to the American people for years. Lying often becomes compulsive. The question is, how to stop it.

Posted by: Canpundit on September 13, 2008 at 8:37 PM | PERMALINK

In my circle of humans, I am hearing many say that Palin's lack of truthfulness
in the face of checkable facts that show her lies,
and her dumb-struckedness when asked by Gibson about "the Bush Doctrine"
****she is in over her head and a horrid potential VP****

Posted by: consider wisely always on September 13, 2008 at 8:40 PM | PERMALINK


True. I remember that. It's a small point, but precision in a sound-bite is crucial. Of course, it's also a personal thing, so people respond differently, and hence mixing it up a little is also OK.

I really like this one (from Steve's post):

"Americans are starting to wonder, is there anything the McCain campaign isn't lying about?"

Posted by: Goldilocks on September 13, 2008 at 9:10 PM | PERMALINK

"is there anything the McCain campaign isn't lying about?"

Sounds like more rove republicanism to me.

For the life of me, I can't recall any time they have told the truth. Iraq? WMD? Tora Bora? The Economy? Climate Change? Domestic Spying?

If a Republican says it's sunny, better take your umbrella.

Posted by: Buford on September 13, 2008 at 9:12 PM | PERMALINK

This: "a repo ticket that lies even when it doesn't have to" is a recap of the last 40+ years.
Until this behavior has devastating results they will continue.
Not sure-fire science but close enough for roveroolala.
Remember they have 25-30% of voters who have swallowed enough of their sewage for permanent brain damage.
All they need is another 20-25% who get close enough to the fumes and can be drug(ged) off to vote while under the influence.

What this looks like is a mass assult of semi-realistic sounding bits of non-info.Sewage central spills them into the media circus to add distraction, lets them spin a few cycles until they are fully blended then adds more.
What is desperately being covered-up more than anything else is the old pardon man is not in charge of anything and the .......mmmmmm recent addition to the ticket.......well...... still working to fully utilize video without audio or memory.In fact working hard to get functioning without audio or HDD memory at all.Watch out when they get the full frontal video ready.No sound required to grab an additional 5-10% of fume induced votes.

Really, no time left to waste explaining over and over. This is not new behavior.
What must be made clear as glass is 4 more years = death.If that is not clear enough.....????

Don't be distracted. You are being robbed and have been for years. Pay attention.
Bushcon has everything to lose and will put everything into staying out of jail.
The old pardon may is their key. Watch out.

Posted by: johnsnottoodistracted on September 13, 2008 at 9:13 PM | PERMALINK

The NYT hase finally finished there vetting of Wonder Girl...



Posted by: Dave in Austin on September 13, 2008 at 9:16 PM | PERMALINK

I found this via TPM:

To top it off, McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said this to the Politico about the increased media scrutiny of the campaign's factual claims: "We’re running a campaign to win. And we’re not too concerned about what the media filter tries to say about it.”

Not surprisingly, the Obama camp has pounced on all this, issuing a memo to reporters entitled "Unraveling the myth of the Straight Talk Express." The memo argues, "Since naming Governor Palin as their vice presidential nominee, the McCain campaign has distorted, distracted, and outright lied to the American people about her record in a desperate attempt to hide the fact that a McCain/Palin Administration would be nothing more than a continuation of the failed Bush policies of the last eight years."

And it concludes, "While the media is slowly starting to call the McCain campaign on their dishonest tactics, McCain’s staff boasts that they don’t care. As a McCain spokesman told the Politico, 'We’re running a campaign to win. And we’re not too concerned about what the media filter tries to say about it.'"


Posted by: pol on September 13, 2008 at 9:17 PM | PERMALINK


In addition to the official McCain Flip-Flop list, could you start an official McCain-Palin Mendacity Hall of Fame?

Posted by: xtalguy on September 13, 2008 at 9:18 PM | PERMALINK


In addition to the official McCain Flip-Flop list, could you start an official McCain-Palin Mendacity Hall of Fame?

Posted by: xtalguy on September 13, 2008 at 9:18 PM | PERMALINK

The old pardon man.

Posted by: johnsnottoodistracted on September 13, 2008 at 9:21 PM | PERMALINK

This is a pretty minor lie in the grand scheme of McCain lies, but I think the Obama camp *should* pounce on it, for a few different reasons.

First, the more examples you have to point to, the more you can defend accusations of lying. Similar to what the GOP did to Al Gore in 2000, but with the added benefit of actually being true this time.

Second, a point I haven't noticed anyone pick up here yet, McCain's entire "celebrity" attack against Obama was based, almost exclusively, on the size of the crowds he drew. And *now* McCain is trying to inflate the size of the crowds *he* is drawing. Obama's next line of attack should be something like, "It looks like McCain, the real celebrity, is getting desperate not to let go of his fame."

Posted by: Shade Tail on September 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM | PERMALINK

I really wonder what Rove and Schmidt have up their sleeves. This is taking our political process to a whole new level of absurdity. Are they really going to try to blame the liberal media -- accuse it of backing Obama and not telling the truth?

This is almost frightening.

Posted by: pol on September 13, 2008 at 9:45 PM | PERMALINK

Sarah's been a bad girl . . .


Posted by: Lori on September 13, 2008 at 9:49 PM | PERMALINK

Attendance-Gate, and the exaggeration of attendance at McCain events, is actually part of a Republican/Rovian strategy.

Several months ago, hundreds of thousands of people attended an Obama speech in Germany.

The televised image of so many people cheering Barack Obama was impressive...and scared the Republicans...especially since the Republicans had (and still have) no comparable visual of a huge crowd cheering for McCain.

Then, they rolled out their "celebrity" attack, to belittle Obama before the eyes of U.S. voters, to knock him down a few notches. Then the racist Republicans piled on with their "uppity" attack, aiming for the same result, belittling Obama.

So, would it surprise anyone to hear that the McCain/Palin/Rove campaign has been exaggerating crowd attendance at McCain (and now Palin) events?

Remember, following the huge rally for Obama in the Denver stadium at the DNC, the Republicans attacked by fabricating a story about American flags being thrown out, desecrated. The Republicans used images of flags that hadn't even been handed out yet to push this lie.

And this strategy appears to be working.

Since the convention, Barack Obama seems to be shying away from huge gatherings of his followers, opting instead for smaller gatherings...which receive must less media coverage.

The solution:

Barack Obama's campaign should schedule rallies in large, open-air venues across America in the next two months.

No doubt, huge numbers of patriotic American citizens would attend, like they have at previous events, dwarfing the size of any McCain/Palin.

The right-wing-slanted news media would have to take notice. The visuals would be awe-inspiring...exactly what the Republicans don't want happening. Their false "celebrity" and "uppity" memes just wouldn't work. Barack Obama IS widely and wildly popular. Joe Biden IS widely and wildly popular.

As Josh Marshall said at TPM, "Excitement is infectious."

That scene of Barack Obama speaking before hundreds of thousands of people in Germany was exciting.

That scene of Barack Obama accepting the Democratic Party's nomination for president in front of a crowd approaching one hundred thousand was exciting.

If the Obama/Biden campaign wants to maximize American excitement for their ticket, similarly large, outdoor events are essential...which is why the Republicans are so, so afraid of this happening, and why they resorted to their "dirty trick," a lie involving American flags up in Denver, to try to undermine the excitement-generating power of these huge, outdoor Democratic rallies for Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

Obama/Biden campaign...more of the same please.

And don't be side-tracked by the specious attacks of the Republicans.

Barack Obama does have "Star Status."

Just as President Bill Clinton still has "Star Status."

Take this "Star Status" and run with it.

Excitement IS infectious.

And no matter how much the Republicans/Rove try to pump up McCain and Palin, Republican strategists are having a hard time getting people excited about an old, old man who has trouble talking straight and a woman who has a similar problem talking straight along with her fundamentalist baggage of wanting to destroy the gains American women have made over the past eighty years.

I'm not fooled by the fake hype of the Republicans.

I'm voting for Obama/Biden in November.

Posted by: The Oracle on September 13, 2008 at 9:54 PM | PERMALINK

There's a line Fred Thompson delivered in the movie "Good Morning Vietnam." He plays a commander at the military radio station in Saigon. At one point when refering to the honor and integrity of then vice-president, Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon he says, "I wouldn't buy an apple from the son of a bitch, and I consider him a close, personal friend."

In light of their current difficulties with the truth, I wonder if Thompson would buy an apple from McCain or Palin.

Posted by: Winkandanod on September 13, 2008 at 10:05 PM | PERMALINK

I think what's missing from the ads calling McCain/Palin out on lying is this:

It needs to be made explicit that they are insulting the very people they're asking to support them. I think something along the lines of "They want you to support them, but they don't even have enough respect for you to stop telling the lies that have already been proven to be lies. They think so little of you that they'll lie directly to your face. They've admitted it's their campaign strategy. They think you're dumb enough to fall for it. Are you?"

Another one: "They insult you by lying to you over, and over, and over again. Are these the kind of people you can trust with the future of your country? With your children's future? If they lie to you now and are rewarded with your vote, why would they ever stop lying once they get what they want? Isn't 8 years of constant lying enough?"

And so on.

It's true; about 25% of the voters don't really give a shit that they're being lied to. It's because they are really stupid people. Most of the rest of us get really pissed off about it.

Posted by: Jennifer on September 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM | PERMALINK

stop pussy footing around, call the guy for what he is a friggin liar. are we waiting for the john kerry moment for god's sake....these jack asses are liars, call them out!!!!

Posted by: stlouisguy on September 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM | PERMALINK

David Ignatius of the Washington Post suggests, and I agree, that McCain may have sold his soul to the devil in order to win the presidency.

Posted by: Mary on September 13, 2008 at 10:12 PM | PERMALINK

Fascinating assumptions by the McCain campaign, some combination of:

(a) nobody will question the McCain numbers;
(b) the Secret Service will lie if asked for confirmation;
(c) nobody will care if it's proven that the campaign has lied.

Posted by: Bose on September 13, 2008 at 10:19 PM | PERMALINK

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, then you're "exotic, different."

If you grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you are a "quintessential American story".

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, and you're a maverick.

Graduate from Harvard Law School and you are "unstable".

Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're "well grounded".

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the
Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend
12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a
district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human
Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million
people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public
Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive and next in line behind a man 72 years old with a history of cancer.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all
within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

If you cheated on your first wife, with a rich heiress and then left your disfigured wife and
married the heiress the next month, you're a true Christian.

If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only with no other option in sex
education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, and you then become pregnant while governor of that same state, yet hide it for seven months, you're a very responsible individual.

If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to
work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America’s.

If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college
education, works only seasonally, didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocates the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, it’s much clearer now....

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on September 13, 2008 at 10:27 PM | PERMALINK

Beginning to wonder how much of his suffering as a POW is lies. If McCain can lie so blatantly about something everyone can easily verify, how do we know he has told the truth about being tortured by his Vietnamese captors?

That is the risk of serial lies. After a couple of big lies, everything about the liar is suspect.

Posted by: rational on September 13, 2008 at 10:34 PM | PERMALINK

If McCain manages to win, what's the chance that the Republican's will continue to walk down this path in the future? And what does that do to the country?

Posted by: rational on September 13, 2008 at 10:39 PM | PERMALINK

It's very important to stop this ticket.

In a word: Carrie.

Posted by: Jassalasca Jape on September 13, 2008 at 10:39 PM | PERMALINK

You can see the election slipping away from Obama and are so desperate. It is laughable. Keep up the good work, it will only help McCain/Palin

Posted by: berlins on September 13, 2008 at 10:39 PM | PERMALINK

"ABOUT THOSE CROWDS.... In the midst of a massive push by the Obama campaign to undermine the McCain's campaign's credibility, we get yet another example that undermines the McCain's campaign's credibility"

This from the cast of characters who mocked the "Million Man March" on October 16, 1995, as only having 837,000 people, +/- 20% (which is 670,000 to 1,004,000).

Yet another example of the RightWingLemmingdompubbiehood's pretences coming back to haunt them. Couldn't happen to a more pathetic group of people.

Posted by: GK on September 13, 2008 at 10:39 PM | PERMALINK

Think of attendance at an Obama rally versus the attendance at a McCain rally as if it's a football game.

At an Obama rally, especially one in an outdoor, open-air venue, the crowd overflows, packed house, sold-out event, standing room only. Excitement for Barack Obama is palpable. Spontaneous.

On the other hand, a McCain rally feels staged, even the applause seeming to be triggered by an "Applause" prompter. If a McCain rally were moved to an Obama-sized, sold-out, SRO stadium rally, the Republican crowd would look like that at the last game for a football team in last place, having lost all their games up until then, sparse, filling up few of the bleacher seats, not sold-out, not standing room only.

This is what the "exciteless" Republican strategists are trying to keep hidden.

Barack Obama definitely has Drawing Power, much more Drawing Power than the old, old McCain and the religiously-warped Palin.

Attendance levels prove this.

All elections are determined by the Drawing Power of the candidates running.

The Republicans/Rove, therefore, are doing everything possible to diminish Obama's Drawing Power, while using every trick in their devious, devilish arsenal to increase the Drawing Power of their duplicitous candidates, McCain and Palin, even going so far as to fudge attendance estimates upward...another lie.

I'm not fooled.

I'm just praying to God that a landslide majority of my fellow citizens, Democrats, Republicans, and Independents aren't fooled as well.

Obama/Biden '08 ! ! ! ! !

Posted by: The Oracle on September 13, 2008 at 10:41 PM | PERMALINK

One should recall Obama saying there are Republicans shaking his hand and quietly mention they are a Republican and going to vote for him, Obama. Do you think McCain is getting Democratic Voters quietly saying, hey McCain I am a Democrat and going to vote for you. Here, the media says it, its their job.

That certainly sent a shock wave across Mainstream Media. Lets face it priming the vote with cross overs in Iowa was a terrific idea but now the Republicans realize they created something they can not stop.

Isn't that how Republican's govern too? Only with the business of elections Republican's can not run to the Federal Reserve window? Or, can they, or do they? yep they do it every chance they can. Instant title funding. You name it and Republicans run to the public funding tax cash cow Federal Reserve Board Window.

Heck they have been doing it for about a hundred years thats why it seems so normal. America our economic system is so freaked up.

Here is a good one that lawyer on FOX NEWS said no one has privacy like in getting your picture taken by news people, you know the agressive types. yet, contrast this Republican's argue about the time of conception and argue for the unborn child and all the rights of an unborn while invading one's private life with picture taking.

Here, my point is in that run up to conception an image or a picture is certainly forming, no other entity needs to concern themselves with my space and time, that is my decision. Not your decision with God, it is my decision with God.

For me my image is mine and in that serious sense of conception my personal copy right then no one should take or use my picture with out my endorement. It is a breach of the fourth Amendment. Don' you think so ?

Posted by: Megalomania on September 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM | PERMALINK

I just came across another McCain lie - Bob Woodward says McCain lied about the surge.


Posted by: Mary on September 13, 2008 at 11:00 PM | PERMALINK

Tina Fey as Sarah Palin on Saturday Night Live (with the lady who does Hillary Clinton) was an ABSOLUTE BLAST!

Posted by: Lance on September 13, 2008 at 11:40 PM | PERMALINK

I saw that! I was howling!

Posted by: Blue Girl on September 13, 2008 at 11:44 PM | PERMALINK

A fitting metaphore here, in this old Joe Isuzu commercial.

Posted by: Jassalasca Jape on September 14, 2008 at 12:17 AM | PERMALINK

He can't draw w/o her.CNN reports joint town halls in the coming days.

Posted by: rrasta on September 14, 2008 at 12:21 AM | PERMALINK

"Americans are starting to wonder, is there anything the McCain campaign isn't lying about?"

Simple answers to simple questions:

Q: How do you instantly tell if McCain, Palin, or any of their campaign people are lying?

A: Look and see if their lips are moving.

Posted by: TCinLA on September 14, 2008 at 12:36 AM | PERMALINK

I've come to the conclusion that all Republicans have no understanding of the definition of irony, are not aware of it, wouldn't recognize it when they run themselves over with it, and are so self obsessed by their own lies that they are living in their own universe.

Downside? This is true of at least 30%, probably 50%, maybe 70% of the US population.

Posted by: notthere on September 14, 2008 at 1:35 AM | PERMALINK

The "polling" seems to indicate some inconsistencies too. If McCain has built this huge treasure of popularity, why can't he actually draw larger crowds? If Democrats are 10 to 1 in new registrations--millions of voters, and Obama is drawing HUGE crowds whenever he is at a large venue, something is amiss in the polling. I always worry that the Republicans can turn 10 votes into millions. . .

Posted by: Sparko on September 14, 2008 at 1:54 AM | PERMALINK

I am reminded of a time, not too long ago in the history of all things political, when Giuliani was doing the same thing as Palin/McCain is doing now---fudging attendance numbers. It stopped fairly quickly when people actually started filming the campaign events; one in particular being at a college campus where, in an auditorium designed to hold several hundred, "Roody Doody" (the nefarious "mini-me" evil distant cousin of Howdy Doody), the self-anointed schmuck of 9/11 drew an overwhelming crowd of 40.

Have there been any actual filmings of these so-called "Palin-topia events" that show the crowds in attendance?

None that I know of.

Have there been any attendance numbers at all that can be substantiated by any entity outside the cloaking-thuggery of the Palin/McCain circus wagon?

Again, not from what I've seen.

The entire campaign of these two heinous individuals---the "Mendacious Duo"---seems nothing more than a couple of pathetically-bad actors and their accompanying caravan of thieving gypsies, displayed in front of a giant green backdrop, with everything else "dubbed in" by a professional SFX team.

Think "cheap black-market remake of a Star Wars film" here, and you've pretty much gottten a solid picture of what Palin/McCain is all about.
Now, I've seen where the Obama people are starting to either "write down" or completely "write off" some states as not being worth the effort. This should in no way be allowed to happen, and the last 7 full weeks of the campaign should be pushed back into a full-offense, 50-state mentality. Palin/McCain should be aggressively countered with the encompassing message that for the sake of America as a whole---Democrats, Republicans, Indies, smaller political parties, non-enfranchised, disenfranchised, end even those too young to vote---the United States of America does not deserve the insult of a Palin/McCain administration.

This "minor thing" of lying about something so small as attendance numbers should be seen not just as "a meager strand of straw"---but as "the straw that broke the camel's back." An attack against this political fraud---an attack from all directions, simultaneously, with all 50 states being the target, places in the hands of the Obama campaign an overwhelming victory on November 4.

But---only if the mantra of the campaign becomes "every American is worthy of our effort...."

Posted by: Steve on September 14, 2008 at 3:15 AM | PERMALINK

Ironically this is not amazing. The fact that they would lie about the little things isn't such a surprise given they are lying about so many big things. McCain has really destroyed any bit of credibility and dignity he had. He has completely made a mockery of himself, of office of the presidency, the country, and the American people. His lying needs to be brought up as the front and center issue. Forget about the fact that he's just like Bush on policies, forget about the fact that he has no comprehensive plans on the economy or national defense. Forget about the fact that he has even admitted to not understanding the economy. The front and center issue that everyone needs to be driving is this non-stop blatant lying from McCain/Palin.

Posted by: JD on September 14, 2008 at 8:23 AM | PERMALINK

Karen wrote: "That NY Times feature on Palin is chilling. She is ruthless, petty, vindictive, and a reflexive liar. The woman is a female version of Willie Stark. She must be kept from gaining more power. She is dangerous."

Sarah Palin is a female version of Greg Stillson.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on September 14, 2008 at 12:23 PM | PERMALINK

Basic point to drive home. The most tragic recent example of a President (and his cabinet officers) lying to the American people was the Iraq war. The US went into Iraq because they were lied to repeatedly that the "chemical and biological weapons are just north south east and west of Bagdad." Saddam was blamed for 9/11.

Bush lied and Americans and Iraqis died.
McCain is lying repeatedly now - do we want to go through this again?

Posted by: Weichsel on September 14, 2008 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

People aren't going to rallies to hear John McCain. Very few people care what he has to say. He isn't the person we need to be President in 2009.

Posted by: MarkH on September 14, 2008 at 4:10 PM | PERMALINK

So McCain/Palin is lying? What an outrage! Well, they've gone too far now and the backlash will start any minute now. Uh-huh, don't hold your breath. The neo-cons have made dishonesty and distortion such a habit that it's become a plank in the Republican platform (maybe several planks). When your political philosophy and world view is as flawed as theirs is, as proven by the devastation wrought on the US by the Bush administration and a Republican congress, you have two choices; admit you're idiots or lie about everything and hope to hold onto power. Care to guess which way they've gone? They've further refined the strategy, deciding that if one lie is good, two is better.
The really sad thing is that we don't have a real answer. We can expose the deceptions until we're blue in the face (not the states) but who really cares? It works for them. The neo-cons know they are being lied to but it is infinitely preferable to be lied to by the Red team than face the truth from the Blue guys. If there truly are any independents, I have personally never met one (maybe Colin Powell), they have been so conditioned to believe that the media is biased (the old "with us or against us") that they can't possibly make an intelligent decision.
The thing is, we liberals will never prevail because we don't have the visceral hatred of everything not like us that the other side has carefully cultivated. These people are just as foreign to our way of thinking as Islamic extremists willing to fly planes into buildings, the difference being they are willing to crash the country rather than accept any other point of view.
If Senator McCain does win election to become President, I would suggest he beef up his Secret Service protection. The biggest danger to him will be some right-wing nut with his Constitutionally guaranteed gun, and a mission from God to elevate Palin to the highest office. And then, God help us all!

Posted by: JL on September 15, 2008 at 8:40 PM | PERMALINK



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