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September 15, 2008

MCCAIN ADVISOR RIPS 'SNL' SKIT.... By now, I suspect most of you have seen the opening skit from "Saturday Night Live," which featured a joint press conference hosted by Sarah Palin (played perfectly by Tina Fey) and Hillary Clinton (Amy Poehler). If you missed it, and it was pretty hilarious, NBC has posted the whole thing.

It was pretty harmless, and as Faiz noted, Palin herself reportedly found it "quite funny" and had a good laugh. But then, there was McCain adviser/surrogate Carly Fiorina on MSNBC this morning.

"[T]he portrait [on "SNL"] was very dismissive of the substance of Sarah Palin, and so, in that sense, they were defining Hillary Clinton as very substantive and Sarah Palin as totally superficial," Fiorina argued. "I think that continues the line of argument that is disrespectful in the extreme and yes, I would say, sexist, in the sense that just because Sarah Palin has different views than Hillary Clinton does not mean that she lacks substance."

Maybe now would be a good time for the McCain campaign to lighten up a little, because watching these bizarre complaints is probably enough to make even the die-hard Palin backers roll their eyes. It's a sketch comedy show. It mocks everyone, exaggerating shortcomings and creating caricatures. That's the point.

And in this case, if Palin was presented as superficial and lacking substance, it might have something to do with the fact that she's never heard of the Bush Doctrine, doesn't know that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac didn't receive tax dollars, doubts that human activity is responsible for global warming, thinks entitlement reform has something to do with finding "efficiencies" at the "agencies," and to date hasn't demonstrated any expertise in any area of public policy.

That is, of course, what made the bit funny.

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If the McCain camp wanted to assure the American people that Palin was highly substantive, they might consider having her prove her mettle by talking with the press on major issues.

Just sayin.

Posted by: slag on September 15, 2008 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

"I think that continues the line of argument that is disrespectful in the extreme and yes, I would say, sexist..." -- Fiorina

Two minor points...

(1) Respect and disrespect are earned
(2) Sexist? They're both women!

Posted by: beep52 on September 15, 2008 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

. . . and to date hasn't demonstrated any expertise in any area of public policy.

That's not true! She has demonstrated that she is an expert at using her power to isolate and/or punish those people who disagree with her.

She is the perfect successor to continue Bush and Cheney's attacks on the Consitution.

Posted by: SteveT on September 15, 2008 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

Just a few weeks ago McCain himself was justifying his Paris/Britney smears by calling them funny and light.

Posted by: Ed on September 15, 2008 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if Fiorina thought it was sexist when the board forced her out at HP because her mismanagement nearly wrecked the company.

Posted by: doubtful on September 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

So... she's saying Hillary isn't a real woman?

Posted by: NewHorizons on September 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

And I'm sure Morning Joe immediately asked the follow-up questions:

"that's right, Carley, now just what is it that sarah does know?"

Posted by: stevio on September 15, 2008 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe now would be a good time for the McCain campaign to lighten up a little, because watching these bizarre complaints is probably enough to make even the die-hard Palin backers roll their eyes.
—Steve Benen

Why? I hope they keep hammering away. More they make a stink, the stupider they look (not that a campaign who hires a loser like Fiorina can look much worse).

Posted by: Jeff II on September 15, 2008 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

and to date hasn't demonstrated any expertise in any area of public policy.

A serious example of why this is not true: windfall profit taxes on oil companies. She did a great job of shaking down Alaska's biggest employers for tribute, which she then handed out to voters in the form of giant checks.

That royalty check policy is a great vote-getter, but it wouldn't scale on a national level. Still, progressives have been arguing for just this kind of tax for a long time. She actually did it.

None of the above should be construed as an endorsement of Palin. She is horrible, but even a self-interested horrible person can do something good once in a while.

Posted by: skeptic on September 15, 2008 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

They just don't seem to know how to lay off when one of their lines of BS clearly isn't working. Very un-Rove-like. Schmidt must have dozed through his training with the Dark Lord.

Posted by: Steve LaBonne on September 15, 2008 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe Palin would get a smidge more respect if she'd stop using the teleprompter. What, she hasn't memorized her 7 or 8 platitudes yet?

Posted by: RollaMO on September 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

Didn't the McCain camp look at how well it went for Hillary when she tried to make a substantive point about SNL?

Posted by: Bose on September 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

"...very dismissive of the substance of Sarah Palin...

I have no comment on that, I'm just letting it flow over me.

As for Carly... She took HPX from $60 a share to $20 a share. Heckuva job Carly...

Posted by: Erik in Maine on September 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

Carly Fiorina is a perfect example of sexism in society. A man with her skill set and track record would have a hard time finding work cold-calling for time-shares.

Posted by: Steve Paradis on September 15, 2008 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

Seeing as Tina Fey's Sarah Palin was right on the money, I guess this means Sarah Palin herself, the very core of her being, is sexist and disrespectful.

Posted by: Lynn Dee on September 15, 2008 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

The famous theologian Walter Brueggemann once made a remark about the international hegemony of men, in which he said, "Lest anyone think I'm being sexist, I mean 'men' like Margaret Thatcher.

Let's see; Palin hunts, likes violent contact sports and believes that women shouldn't be allowed to make their own reproductive choices. Somehow, Hillary seems to emerge as the more feminine of the two, as far as I'm concerned.

Seems to me there's a potential Obama/Biden strategy here: "McCain/Palin campaign insists anyone who disagrees with Palin isn't really a woman."

Posted by: Spanky on September 15, 2008 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

(2) Sexist? They're both women!

Why do you think SNL did a piece based on such an odd premise as the two of them coming together to condemn sexism? I mean, yeah, it's humor and doesn't have to be tethered to reality, but it's also a great way to insulate themselves from allegations of sexism.

If you think too hard about Fiorina's remarks, she's saying that Palin deserves a pass from any accusations of lack of substance because she's a woman. I get that Republicans think that's how identity politics works (sometimes, lamentably, they're right) but I certainly don't think SNL is going to walk on eggshells because the target lacks a Y chromosome.

Posted by: Equal Opportunity Cynic on September 15, 2008 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

A man with her skill set and track record would have a hard time finding work cold-calling for time-shares.

Not true! There's a market for failed CEOs regardless of their sex.

Posted by: Equal Opportunity Cynic on September 15, 2008 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

The difference between Carly Fiorina and real women is that real women don't have golden parachutes after they fuck up a perfectly good company! Real women should not be taking cues from Carly Fiorina, unless of course they're really dumb women.

Just saying..

Posted by: The Galloping Trollop on September 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

And we worry about our side looking whiney?

http://www.answers.com/whiney&r=67

Posted by: koreyel on September 15, 2008 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

There was a report yesterday from someone covering her campaign (John Cole linked to it iirc) saying that the reporters at the back of the plane were laughing hysterically but there was complete silence coming from the front where the campaign people were watching. That doesn't sound like she found it "quite funny" to me.

Posted by: Shalimar on September 15, 2008 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

i've got a sneakin' hunch that amy poehler can also do a dynamite carly f.

and i hope to hell snl's writers are working on a sketch for next week!

Posted by: mellowjohn on September 15, 2008 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

Fiorini's comments are irrelevant. That clip will be a true SNL CLASSIC, and no amount of whining is gonna change that. Played over, and over, and over again. A Hoot!!!

Posted by: bodacious on September 15, 2008 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

Figured out what a Flurge is. It's what happens at the McCains' after dinner. He flushes and she purges.

That's Just What I Said

Posted by: Dale on September 15, 2008 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

Not true! There's a market for failed CEOs regardless of their sex.

Yeah, we call them Republican campaign advisers and lobbyists.

Posted by: Keori on September 15, 2008 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

I Googled flurge too. Still didn't understand it, unless we flurged Hill out of the campaign, and we didn't.

After watching the skit, Fiorina's comment was doubly funny. Looks like she's trying to complete the trio, but she'll have to wrestle Joan Walsh for that.

Posted by: ericfree on September 15, 2008 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

Carly should harden the fuck up.

Posted by: Karl Rovelution on September 15, 2008 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

The best part of the skit was when Hillary challenged the idea that you just have to want it bad enough. And yet that part I have not seen replayed since.

Posted by: Danp on September 15, 2008 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK


So, giving the VP nomination to a woman in order to try and win over female voters still smarting from Clinton's defeat in the Democratic Primary 'isn't' sexist,and is in no way to be considered an insult to women's intelligence.

But comparing Palin to Clinton 'is' sexist, because in showing up how insubstantive Palin is in comparison, it's somehow insulting to women everywhere?

I think my Irony Meter just blew, like, the sixth fuse in a week.

Posted by: Tony J on September 15, 2008 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

I'd be willing to bet a shiny nickel that Fiorina will argue that the sketch was sexist because it must've been written by men. Which would lead to the conclusion that she thinks women can't write satire. Which is, in itself, sexist.

Fiorina is a liar & incompetent at everything EXCEPT lying. If you believe anything she says, you deserve to all have your money invested in the stock market whisked away. And that's probably what happaned to ya.

Posted by: slappy magoo on September 15, 2008 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

and as Faiz noted, Palin herself reportedly found it "quite funny" and had a good laugh.

Now we're supposed to believe them?

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Posted by: smiley on September 15, 2008 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK

Slappy, wouldn't you think Tina Fey wrote the sketch? She was head writer on that show for many years.

Posted by: Erik in Maine on September 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

After watching the skit, Fiorina's comment was doubly funny. Looks like she's trying to complete the trio, but she'll have to wrestle Joan Walsh for that.

Posted by: ericfree

Ha ha ha, good one!

Posted by: The Galloping Trollop on September 15, 2008 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

That's odd. When McCain was asked about Jerome Corsi's book smearing Obama, I seem to recall that, rather than denouncing it, he instead said that Obama needs to have a sense of humor about these things.

Interesting how McCain doesn't think it's so funny when his ox (or pig) is getting gored. Hypocrite.

Posted by: David Bailey on September 15, 2008 at 3:27 PM | PERMALINK

"Not true! There's a market for failed CEOs regardless of their sex."

Fox "News" ?

Posted by: BuzzMon on September 15, 2008 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

Wait...you mean that wasn't Sarah Palin on SNL?

Posted by: ckelly on September 15, 2008 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

The best thing about the sketch was how quickly Fey was able to nail that annoying Palin voice. A voice made for mime.

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on September 15, 2008 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

Someone should point out that Carly's definition of sexism is about offmark as you can get:

To Fiorina, Fey's portrayal was sexist "in the sense that just because she has different views than Hillary Clinton does not mean she lacks substance."

Or did Carly just say in that explanation that Hillary is a man?

Posted by: Tx Bubba on September 15, 2008 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not very surprised that Carly Fiorina would have found that SNL skit threatening. Carly is a jumped up secretary came close to destroying HP before the Board of Directors kicked her out of the company. Carly would be very sensitive to someone poking fun at incompetent women in business or government.

Posted by: Rick B on September 15, 2008 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Is Wasilla really "the crystal meth capital of Alaska"?

The skit played off the contrast between the two women. I checked the Wikipedia entry for Wasilla and noticed that under Notable Residents Wasilla had two women that with even more of a contrast. Mahala Ashley Dickerson was a school-mate of Rosa Parks who homesteaded in Wasilla and fought for pay equity. April Flowers, with an upbringing nearly identical to Palin's children, was a stripper who did over two hundred porn films in five years. Ah, those small time values.

(For April Flowers, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Flowers,
http://www.visitapril.com/aboutme.html [which has her bio],
http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=AFlowers/gender=f,
http://www.myspace.com/missaprilflowers, and
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0283168/)

Posted by: J from Wpg on September 15, 2008 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

If you think too hard about Fiorina's remarks, she's saying that Palin deserves a pass from any accusations of lack of substance because she's a woman.
*********************

Which is incredibly funny b/c Fiorina, in being such a spinmeister, lying, A-hole is, in fact, being sexist as hell by insisting that a 'women' be given a preferential treatment due to her gender. What a crock.

Posted by: OptiMysticalCynic on September 15, 2008 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

The best part of the sketch was that ABC World News Sunday reported it was actually Sarah Palin, on her first appearance on SNL. Yes, Fey's impression was THAT GOOD.

Seriously, I think Palin got off easy. Hillary got the brunt of the jokes. At least they labelled Palin as attractive but ditzy; Hillary got labeled a harpy with a megalomaniacal thirst for power. If anyone has a right to be upset it'd be Hill, although I suspect she has a sense of humor about these things by now.

Posted by: Remus Shepherd on September 15, 2008 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

"I think that continues the line of argument that is ,I would say, sexist, in the sense that just because Sarah Palin has different views than Hillary Clinton does not mean that she lacks substance."

pointing out that two women are DIFFERENT is "sexist?" wtf? lol..... funniest thing i've seen today....

Posted by: dj spellchecka on September 15, 2008 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

Which would lead to the conclusion that she thinks women can't write satire. Which is, in itself, sexist.

Isn't it?

Posted by: Insane Fake Professor on September 15, 2008 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINK
When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or you know maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think you know that doesn't do us any good -- women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country
-- Governor Palin Posted by: croatoan on September 15, 2008 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

i believe tina fey
to be more qualified
to be a v-p nominee
than sarah palin
and much funnier
sarah is scary
and that's not
funny at all

Posted by: estebanfolsom on September 15, 2008 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK

SNL still sux, this particular skit notwithstanding. And, Ike aside, Obama was smart to have dodged this bomb.

Posted by: Lorne Michaels on September 15, 2008 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK

I personally believe that, U.S. Americans are unable to do so, because some… people out there in our nation that don’t have maps, and I believe that our education, like such as in South Africa and the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should… our education over here in the U.S., should help the U.S., er, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future.., for our children...

Posted by: Can't buy a clue on September 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

But that's what you get when your campaign slogans are divorced from reality -- a campaign surrogate on auto pilot who doesn't know when the "sexist" card applies and when it doesn't.

Posted by: Ted Frier on September 15, 2008 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

And isn't Carly Fiorina the CEO booted for almost wrecking Hewlett Packard?

Ms. Fiorina is part of the Republican strategy of attacking anything that might be critical of their candidates. They are relentless in their efforts. Ironically, substance to them matters not a bit. It's all about hype and perceptions. If the voters looked closely at the actual substance of the candidates', the Obama-Biden ticket would be heading toward a landslide victory.

Posted by: Dan Lauber on September 15, 2008 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

Posted by: Erik in Maine on September 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

"Slappy, wouldn't you think Tina Fey wrote the sketch? She was head writer on that show for many years."


Yes, Erik, I would think that. I'm quite certain that Fey at least shaped the final product. My point is, Fiorina wouldn't think of that, or at least, she'd make that claim in the hopes that whoever she's whining to wouldn't think of that. It's harder to cry sexism when women are the ones hurting your feelings dot dot dot UNLESS MEN MADE THEM DO IT! Therefore in Carly's head (where there's SO much room for conspiracy theories to fester, what with there being so little knowledge taking up space), Fey and Poeheler were MADE, BY MEN, LIBERAL ELITIST MEN (boo! hiss!) to say those awful things about plucky maverick-ista Sara Palin. They have no say over the things they say or do, because if they did, they'd be good li'l feminists and refuse to make one of their own look bad.

I'm playing Devil's Advocate, pardner, anticipating the GOP's dopey comments before they make 'em.

Posted by: slappy magoo on September 15, 2008 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK

I Googled flurge too. Still didn't understand it, unless we flurged Hill out of the campaign, and we didn't.

Urban Dictionary is a good site. It will tell you, as Dale said earlier, that "flurge" is a combination of "flush" and "purge."

Posted by: DJ on September 15, 2008 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

So how many times a day as she is turning out this drivel in defense of the indefensible, Fiorina thinks, "It shoulda been me. It shoulda been me..."

Posted by: jeff on September 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK

So, when are we going to see somone bust Carly Fiorina for the failed corporate moron she is? This is, after all, the Queen of Outsourcing, who took the outsourcing of American jobs to the point she nearly outsourced everything in Hewlett-Packard, then managed to run the ship aground (more Republican CEO incompetence), and then when she was finally fired for her incompetence, bailed out with a mega-millions platinum parachute?

The truth of Carly Fiorina is she is the Poster Bimbo for everything wrong with Republican "orconomics." We need to paste these droolers with a bloody nose everytime they show themselves in public.

Posted by: TCinLA on September 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK

Ummm ... Carly? SNL isn't part of either Barack Obama's campaign or the DNC. Jeez, get a grip.

Posted by: Doofus on September 15, 2008 at 4:41 PM | PERMALINK

"windfall profit taxes on oil companies. She did a great job of shaking down Alaska's biggest employers for tribute, which she then handed out to voters in the form of giant checks."

She didn't even do that. She proposed a change in tax structure and a modest increase. However, the Legislature ignored both parts of her plan: It kept the old structure and raised the rates through the roof. (The FBI's work in digging out oil-related corruption was the fuel under the Legislature's bottom.) She deserves credit for proposing the $1,200 "rebate" checks, but not for the tax increase that (alone with oil prices) made the checks possible

Posted by: AlaskanView on September 15, 2008 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

Carly Fiorina is the woman who caused Hewlett-Packard so many headaches when she headed the company as its CEO. If there's anyone who'd know about superficiality and lack of substance, it's her.

Posted by: Out & About in The Castro on September 15, 2008 at 4:48 PM | PERMALINK

So the male-dominated SNL denied Tina Fey -- a talented comedian and writer who was smart enough to support Hillary and even provide her with a tagline that unified bitches everywhere but that other people just weren't smart enough to get -- another chance on this show unless she participated in a sketch that belittled and demeaned Hillary.

On Saturday night, Senator Clinton was portrayed as angry, humorless, jealous and overambitious -- every stereotype that insecure men have used against her for months. The Hillary abuse never ends. It stinks, and shame on Tina Fey for selling out by agreeing to be part of this piece of Clinton hatred.

Posted by: Mary, Mother of Odd on September 15, 2008 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK

Fiorina's complaint moved from irritating to hilarious when she said that contrasting Palin and Clinton is sexist. Sexism would be lumping people of the same gender together and presuming that if they have similar gonads they are similar in other ways e.g. have similar knowledge levels.

Humor based on the extreme contrast between the amount that two women know about public policy is about as un-sexist as humor can be.

Fiorina is the one wants people to see Palin's gender not Palin the person.

Posted by: on September 15, 2008 at 5:06 PM | PERMALINK

The story regarding the silence at the front of the plane can be found on the Telegraph site: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2958696/Tina-Fey-lands-the-first-punch-at-Sarah-Palin-in-Saturday-Night-Live-sketch.html

Don't know how to do links but I hope that works. The last line is priceless. Yeah, I'm sure she found it funny.

Posted by: lianne16 on September 15, 2008 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK

I almost lost my coffee when I heard Carly say that it was "ageism" to bring up and question McCain's age. Now that is supposed to be off-limits for anyone to talk about. My God, soon everything will be off-limits!! She is such a twit and I hate looking at her. For someone who almost destroyed HP how can they be taking her advice? Oh I get it, the Board of HP only fired her because they were jealous of the "reforms" she wanted to make!!! I forgot the Repubs. spin!!!

Posted by: mishanti on September 15, 2008 at 5:09 PM | PERMALINK

At least they labelled Palin as attractive but ditzy; Hillary got labeled a harpy with a megalomaniacal thirst for power.

Huh? Did we watch the same sketch? I really liked Poehler as Hillary and didn't think it was bashing her at all. If anything, it came across as Hillary being incredulous that people thought that she was anything like Palin just because they were both women. Like a Mac vs. PC commercial, with Hillary as the Mac and Palin as the PC -- dimwitted but convinced of her own intelligence.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on September 15, 2008 at 5:23 PM | PERMALINK

Remus - I thought that was kind of the point. The fact that all connections between Palin and Hillary were utterly superficial. Palin being treated with kid gloves, Hillary being seen as a harpy, and was characterized by Palin's superficial enthusiasm over the appearance in the skit, contrasted by Hillary's 'what the hell am I doing here' expression.

Essentially, making fun of the attempt to co-opt Hillary's struggles by contrasting the fact that Palin is 1) vapid in comparison, and 2) has been treated like god in comparison.

Posted by: Kryptik on September 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK

Of course, it is OK if SNL rips Sarah Palin, but if the McCain campaign says one little word about Obama -they are liars and being negative.

But, NBC posts the whole thing to demean and belittle. NBC belittled Hillary, and now they are doing the same to Sarah.

Go nutso all you want - it will not change my vote for McCain and Palin. Attack them all you
want - prove yourselves to be sexist - I like knowing the truth.

SNL - progressive??? Shame on you for participating in such sexist attacks.

Posted by: jlp on September 15, 2008 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK

Of course, it is OK if SNL rips Sarah Palin, but if the McCain campaign says one little word about Obama -they are liars and being negative.

Politics ain't beanbag, honey. I know you guys are used to being allowed to use liberals as your punching bags with no retaliation, but now we're punching back and you're crying like a baby. Maybe a nap and a cookie will help you feel better.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on September 15, 2008 at 6:00 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if Fiorina thought it was sexist when the board forced her out at HP because her mismanagement nearly wrecked the company.

Yes, in fact she did. In her book.

Carly Fiorina was a failure as a CEO. Notice she is not now the CEO of another large company.

Posted by: Pug on September 15, 2008 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINK

jlp, you go right ahead and vote for McCain and Palin and we won't take your constant whining seriously anymore, mmmmk?

NBC belittled Hillary, and now they are doing the same to Sarah.

Tina Fey and Amy Proehler hardly belittled Hillary. If they had, I doubt Hillary would have appeared in person with them. You need a big time reality check.

Posted by: Pug on September 15, 2008 at 6:05 PM | PERMALINK

Portraying one woman as less intelligent than another woman? SEXISM!

The sketch was hilarious, but Fiorina's response was ten times funnier.

Posted by: Rabi on September 15, 2008 at 6:09 PM | PERMALINK

we're probably just a few weeks and a few scandals away from Fiorina floating the concepts of "McCain-ism," "Palin-ism," and "Republicanism-ism." These new buzzwords will insure that no one will ever be able to critique McCain Palin or Republicanism again without their biases being given a name. Agism? Sexism? Pshaw! Avoid the middleman!

Posted by: slappy magoo on September 15, 2008 at 6:36 PM | PERMALINK

Methinks that Carly Fiorina should have her 15 seconds of fame in a SNL skit ...

Posted by: Ed on September 15, 2008 at 6:55 PM | PERMALINK

"[T]he portrait [on "SNL"] was very dismissive of the substance of Sarah Palin, ....

Confucius says: "You cannot dismiss a thing that fails to exist."

"...they were defining Sarah Palin as totally superficial, ...."

Human logic says: "That which is totally superficial must, by default, be defined as totally superficial."

Posted by: Steve on September 15, 2008 at 7:11 PM | PERMALINK

Every negative comment or satirical sketch about Palin merely compounds her stature to that of a Conservative rockstar. It's the Paris Hilton effect.People are more comfortable with what they know than what they don't know. and right now "McCain/Palin" are the talk of the town.

Remind me again,who is Obamas running mate cause I keep forgetting that guys name? He's the angry old guy right with the fake plugs?

Posted by: Dublin on September 15, 2008 at 9:01 PM | PERMALINK

I'm sure Rove is thinking to himself, "Unbelievable! I lock up all the shovels in the shed and they decide to keep digging with their hands".


Posted by: John Henry on September 15, 2008 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINK

Every negative comment or satirical sketch about Palin merely compounds her stature to that of a Conservative rockstar.

That's because the conservative measure of quality is the extent to which something is an affront to intelligence, decency, or humanity. So in that case, yes, describing Palin accurately by pointing out her obvious failings makes her ever more popular with rightwing muttonheads who require resentment for its own sake to fuel their political fires.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw on September 16, 2008 at 12:35 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, and remind us who Palin's running mate is? No one in the Republican Party seems to remember either, judging by the turnout at whatshisnames's campaign events.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw on September 16, 2008 at 12:38 AM | PERMALINK

As a former HP employee (started in the 70s, left in the mid-90s), I reserve a special, dark place in my heart for Carly Fiorina. Along with Meg Whitman, she made a bad name for powerful women in Silicon valley that has yet to be eclipsed by the mostly unsung, hard working women who, frankly, bust their asses o make companies successful.

Meg had eBay's main campus named after her. How delightful it is to drive by the "Whitman Campus" (formerly known just as "eBay" on Hamilton Ave.) each day, knowing that under her leadership, the company pissed off (and all over) the individual sellers who made her rich by making it tougher and more expensive to sell that extra crap in your garage while making it easier and less expensive for the mega-listers to buy 40-foot shipping containers full of Chinese crap to foist on the world.

And Carly. Oh, Carly. You sneaky, jealous, pretexting Sarah Palin wannabe. I hope you run for governor of California. That'd be a stretch. After you sent HP stock and IT cred into the toilet by rebranding the cheapest PC components you could buy, beg, or trade out, you let the printer business go i n the shitter too. And buying Compaq - what a genius move. You took the only serious business PC competitor Dell ever had and killed them. Way to go!

Ever wonder what kind of panties these women wear? Hell, powerful men are analysed for their ties.

I guess the reason I'm so resentful of them both is that they could have fit the Hillary Roizen mold; powerful, but not arrogant. Successful, but with nothing to prove. Instead, each became a unique emblem for the rot that is Republican corporatism.

Posted by: F'in Librul on September 16, 2008 at 1:49 AM | PERMALINK

Re: Whitman and Fiorina:
Instead, each became a unique emblem for the rot that is Republican corporatism.

I should also add that both seem so insecure in their own "woman" shell that they go to ever-increasing lengths to decry the Obama campaign's "sexism".

What ever happened to just shutting up and being equal? I thought that's what rugged individualism in the Republican mold was all about.

It speaks volumes about Fiorina and Whitman that they constantly feel picked on for being women when in fact, no one I've ever spoken to in this great, shining valley of great ideas and egalitarian business culture has ever mentioned a single shortcoming of either Whitman or Fiorina in relation to either's genitals.

In other words, they're just corporate hacks, who happen to be women. That's all.

Posted by: F'in Librul on September 16, 2008 at 1:58 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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