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September 17, 2008

MCCAIN THROWS FIORINA UNDER THE BUS.... Yesterday, Carly Fiorina, a McCain advisor/surrogate and the former CEO of Hewlett Packard, argued that she wouldn't trust Sarah Palin to run a large company. Soon after, hoping to make the situation better, Fiorina said John McCain isn't qualified to lead a large company, either.

And with that, we probably won't be hearing from Carly Fiornia for a while.

A top McCain official contacted by CNN said, on condition on anonymity, "No big deal, but not how you get on the surrogate all-star team. Very Biden-like."

"This campaign source said Fiorina would be discouraged from additional media interviews.

Another top campaign adviser was far less diplomatic. "Carly will now disappear," this source said. "Senator McCain was furious." Asked to define "disappear," this source said, adding that she would be off TV for a while -- but remain at the Republican National Committee and keep her role as head of the party's joint fundraising committee with the McCain campaign.

Fiorina was booked for several TV interviews over the next few days, including one on CNN. Those interviews have been canceled.

Another McCain campaign aide told CNN that "important people are mad because the timing is horrible."

My only question is what took the McCain campaign so long to grow tired of one of its top surrogates. In July, discussing consumer-driven health insurance, Fiorina proposed "a real, live example which I've been hearing a lot about from women: There are many health insurance plans that will cover Viagra but won't cover birth-control medication. Those women would like a choice." When McCain was asked whether he agreed, it led to one of the more embarrassing moments of the summer.

Soon after, Fiorina told Bloomberg News that McCain would be open to increasing taxes on wealthier Americans. The campaign had to quickly walk that back.

And soon after that, Fiorina, on NBC, contradicted McCain on the No Child Left Behind policy.

I'm surprised they didn't throw her under the bus sooner.

Steve Benen 7:56 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (43)

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She is an incompetent who got a lot of press. Her Compaq deal was a horrible botch. She took a company that was big in R&D and destroyed it, leaving a crappy consumer-products company with mediocre offerings.

Too bad. It's fun to see someone tell the truth.

Posted by: POed Lib on September 17, 2008 at 8:03 AM | PERMALINK

..and she wont be back until the media treats her with respect and deference for her remarks.


snarkola

Posted by: Jet on September 17, 2008 at 8:04 AM | PERMALINK

Ha! I just told the fiance last night I was surprised no one from the campaign had told her to shut her big mouth.

I guess she is qualified though to point out that neither McSame or Palin could run a large company. She couldn't either.

Posted by: The sister on September 17, 2008 at 8:04 AM | PERMALINK

Ironically, this is a situation Fiorina will NOT consider sexist. Not out loud or.in public anyway. Don't want to make the men who run the GOP angrier then they already are, you bad girl.

Posted by: slappy magoo on September 17, 2008 at 8:06 AM | PERMALINK

Maybe she just tells too many truths for the post convention McCain/Palin campaign.

Posted by: anon on September 17, 2008 at 8:07 AM | PERMALINK

My only question is what took the McCain campaign so long to grow tired of one of its top surrogates.

He had to have at least one mare in the stable.

Posted by: koreyel on September 17, 2008 at 8:09 AM | PERMALINK

I guess when you're running for president, you really don't want your advisors saying you're not an expert on business - especially when you don't even know the meaning of "fundamentals".

Posted by: Danp on September 17, 2008 at 8:13 AM | PERMALINK

They had to get rid of Carly for reasons not related to her real case of foot in mouth disease. Carly is the poster girl for golden parachutes. Right now John McCain is running against golden parachutes. Give it a week. Things will change and Carly will be back.

Carly is a living example of the kind of superstar CEO oriented corporate governance that is wrecking this country. If fewer CEO's received the kind of deference from board members and shareholders they have come to expect America's economy would be in much better shape.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 17, 2008 at 8:14 AM | PERMALINK

This is rather comical. Palin wont meet the press until they accept her, well, fibs, with respect while Fiorina gets shown the bloody underside of the 'straight talk express' bus.

I truly live in Bizarro world, hopefully the Matrix bot will soon come look into my eyes, disconnet my cerebral cannon plug, and flush me into the real world below.

Posted by: Jet on September 17, 2008 at 8:14 AM | PERMALINK

Those still on the bus are better in the lie telling department.

I am surprised that after blowing all the tires on the straight talk express that there is any "under" under the bus.

Posted by: lou on September 17, 2008 at 8:18 AM | PERMALINK

Given his surrogate problem, how can anyone envision him forming a functioning executive? The gang that couldn't shoot straight? McSame can't even seem to pull together a posse.

Posted by: JoeW on September 17, 2008 at 8:24 AM | PERMALINK

the poster girl for golden parachutes

She also apparently has a bit too much self-importance to keep quiet and take one for the team. This of course in no way interferes with that waiting cabinet position. I can suspect that Gramm's non-involnment is similarly temporary.

Posted by: Paul Dirks on September 17, 2008 at 8:25 AM | PERMALINK

She's off to the Beehive for a makeover, and then off on a caribou hunt. The caribou are acknowledged to have more brains than the board at HP, so it's a fair hunt.

Posted by: Steve Paradis on September 17, 2008 at 8:26 AM | PERMALINK

You know the difference between Bush and McCain?

Bush had an MBA. Not that it actually matters.


Posted by: Jet on September 17, 2008 at 8:26 AM | PERMALINK

McCain's team managed to blame Fiorina's confusion about McCain's policies on Biden. That's rich.

Posted by: pj in jesusland on September 17, 2008 at 8:29 AM | PERMALINK

koreyel nailed it.

Posted by: reino on September 17, 2008 at 8:30 AM | PERMALINK

CEO

Dictator

King/Queen

Top Dog

I think most of our problems are due to fact that we have such a mindset in the business world.

The companies that will survive will be more worker owned.

It's insane to have a few folks reap obscene profits.

It may "work" but is it really how the human race will continue towards a sustainable future?

So... maybe John got mad that he was considered to be NOT CEO material. He'd be better off just letting that comment slip into the dust bin of history. By blowing his gasket, he made his lack of executive experience more glaring.


Posted by: Tom Nicholson on September 17, 2008 at 8:38 AM | PERMALINK

She got fired for screwing up again?

How many millions will she get in severance this time?

Posted by: TR on September 17, 2008 at 8:42 AM | PERMALINK

It isn't unusual for the Democrats to claim that the Republican candidate is not qualified. It happens all the time. Nor is it unusual for the Republican to claim the Democrat is not qualified. Basically, it is part of the normal campaign.

I know it is hard for anyone reading this post to believe that people can honestly think that Obama is not qualified. Nor can they believe that on many aspects of the surge, McCain was right and Obama was wrong.

But it is HUGE news when the Republicans say the REPUBLICANS are not qualified.

Posted by: neil wilson on September 17, 2008 at 8:44 AM | PERMALINK

Those still on the bus are better in the lie telling department. --lou

Not really. It's more like they're good at not angering His Highness. McCain is a mad king, killing indiscriminately, blaming everyone, full of paranoia.

As the election approaches, his descent into madness will be complete.

Maybe we'll see him stumbling out of one of his burning houses, like Hidetora Ichimonji in Kurosawa's Ran.

Posted by: gang green on September 17, 2008 at 8:46 AM | PERMALINK

Ironically, for her previous 'misspeaking', she was finally thrown under the bus for telling the truth.

I guess it goes against the McCain campaign's prevailing ethic.

Posted by: Rapid Eddie on September 17, 2008 at 8:58 AM | PERMALINK

Off topic. I am not a big NPR listener but flipped it on this morning and was blown away by their campaign reports from the trail. Snarky, belittling of Obama especially, filled with one liners and soundbites out of context. I guess the internet has spoiled me.

Which leads me to my biggest fear. That is that a McCain/Palin admin will clamp down hard on the internet.

Posted by: grinning cat on September 17, 2008 at 9:00 AM | PERMALINK

Not qualified to run a company?


Didn't this dumb broad run HPQ into the ground and get fired?

I guess she knows what it takes: She's not qualified either.

McCain is not qualified for running a lemonade stand by my driveway.

Posted by: jonno on September 17, 2008 at 9:01 AM | PERMALINK

She is an incompetent who got a lot of press.

And so is emblematic of the Republican Party in general and the McCain campaign in particular.

Posted by: Gregory on September 17, 2008 at 9:05 AM | PERMALINK

So McCain cynically cozied up to a powerful woman because it was politically expedient, but because her views weren't completely in line with his, and because she wouldn't bow to his alpha-male aspirations, she's now toast?

Interesting. It's like McCain doesn't want a woman around if she has a mind of her own....

Which probably explains his divorce and remarriage....

And definitely explains his VP pick....

Even though I'm sure, in her tan-bed-irradiated brain, Sarah Palin thinks she's just taking another stupid man along for the ride....

Posted by: The Phantom on September 17, 2008 at 9:08 AM | PERMALINK

Well, as pointed out above, Carly's no genius herself, when it comes to running companies. She ran the company into the ground, AND got a great golden parachute.

Posted by: Tony Shifflett on September 17, 2008 at 9:09 AM | PERMALINK

Good.

Watching her surgically "enhanced" face on CNN the other day really freaked me out.

This was one of the first things that came to my mind after the Palin choice. I had fantasies of meeting some pro-McCain business owner and asking him/her if he/she would let Palin run his/her business - without help from the business owner - for 4 years. I also imagined that, like other Repubs, this business owner would lie, and say "sure".

Posted by: mo on September 17, 2008 at 9:09 AM | PERMALINK

I am not a big NPR listener but flipped it on this morning and was blown away by their campaign reports from the trail. Snarky, belittling of Obama especially, filled with one liners and soundbites out of context.

Sadly, all to typical of NPR's campaign coverage. (The willingness of their so-called "in depth" reporting to swallow GOP spin unchallenged is as well.)

They don't call it Nice Polite Republicans for nothing.

Posted by: Gregory on September 17, 2008 at 9:10 AM | PERMALINK

A top McCain official contacted by CNN said, on condition on anonymity, "No big deal, but not how you get on the surrogate all-star team. Very Biden-like."

Why the hell does CNN agree to give anonymity to a McCain official in order to trash Biden?

Posted by: Jim Scott on September 17, 2008 at 9:16 AM | PERMALINK

Maureen Dowd, whatever you think of her, put it best:

"Carly Fiorina ... admitted Tuesday that Palin was not capable of running Hewlett-Packard.

"That’s pretty damning coming from Fiorina, who also was not capable of running Hewlett-Packard."

Posted by: on September 17, 2008 at 9:21 AM | PERMALINK

I guess Palin wasn't the only person involved with the McCain campaign who wasn't properly vetted....

Posted by: Ed on September 17, 2008 at 9:21 AM | PERMALINK

I'm not sure this is so much McCain "throwing her under the bus" as it she she keeps jumping in front of the bus and they finally decided not to pull her out of the way.

Posted by: Glenn on September 17, 2008 at 9:32 AM | PERMALINK

"Nor can they believe that on many aspects of the surge, McCain was right and Obama was wrong."

We'll know if "the surge" worked when we exit stage left and the money stops. Until that time, the fact that we've been pumping money into the hands of those that were previously insurgents makes me a little doubtful that this is a permanent solution by any stretch of the imagination. Maliki has already stated that he has no intention of giving the ex-insurgents any legitimacy at all.

Posted by: OhNoNotAgain on September 17, 2008 at 9:39 AM | PERMALINK

NPR's political reporting is absolutely no better than anything you'll see on the cable networks, but is way more infuriating because of the condescending, "we're so much more sophisticated than everyone else" tone that oozes out of my radio when I catch a few seconds while scanning for another station. All NPR does is use re-packaged commentary from idiots like Brooks along with the aforementioned brainless, facile stuff from their "journalists" on the campaign trail. I stopped listening way back in the early primary season when I heard a particularly vapid and openly cheerleading segment hosted by Nichelle Norris on Fred Thompson. That was the last straw for me. Five minutes spent listening to NPR's political coverage is five minutes wasted in your life you'll never have back. There are plenty of blogs and sites, like WM, with much more in-depth and factual information than National Useless Radio carries.

If you have a fondness for long pieces on agonized Serbian poets or idiosyncratic Montana rancher-sculptors, then NPR's fine. But the rest of it has sunk to the level of the rest of the MSM.

Posted by: bluestatedon on September 17, 2008 at 9:55 AM | PERMALINK

McCain did not throw her under the bus.
She ran out in front of it.

Posted by: Larry Reilly on September 17, 2008 at 10:09 AM | PERMALINK

Ironically, for all her previous 'misspeaking', she was finally thrown under the bus for telling the truth.

I guess it goes against the McCain campaign's prevailing ethic.

Posted by: Rapid Eddie on September 17, 2008 at 10:22 AM | PERMALINK

Look at the bright side, now Phil Gramm has someone to talk to in the doghouse!

I guess she just blew her Secretary of Commerce job if McCain wins.

Posted by: Joe D on September 17, 2008 at 11:25 AM | PERMALINK

Except for Fiorina driving HP into a ditch (just another failed CEO), perhaps SHE should be the GOP candidate. She seems to have a superior position with regards to taxes (the wealthy SHOULD see their taxes increased - they can suck it up easily and STILL remain wealthy), superior with regards to women's rights (birthcontrol and very likely wrt equal pay for equal work), etc.

She is certainly as competent in running a business (into the ground) as is Bush, who never ever ever succeeded in business and the GOP is cool with that.

Posted by: Praedor Atrebates on September 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

Looks like a Republican rendition.

Posted by: Randy on September 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

Carly is a paranoid jerk who couldn't run a business without affirmative action doing a Condi Rice on her.

Posted by: Luther on September 17, 2008 at 11:45 AM | PERMALINK

"MCCAIN THROWS FIORINA UNDER THE BUS"

You know how many laid-off HP employees were hoping that wasn't just a metaphor?

Posted by: gradysu on September 17, 2008 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK

Carly must be an Obama Republican. As long as she can still vote after her recent self-inflicted injuries.

Posted by: slanted tom on September 17, 2008 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

So, will Carly now turn on McPail?

Will she endorse Obama --- or less troublingly
for her, say, Ron Paul or Bob Barr?

Posted by: Breadbox on September 17, 2008 at 7:09 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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