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September 19, 2008

THE CULTURE OF 'LOBBYING AND INFLUENCE PEDDLING'.... As the presidential race has turned towards the economy and away from nonsense, John McCain has struggled to find his footing, and his lead in the polls has slipped. This morning, he tried to get back on track with a series of odd attacks.

"We've heard a lot of words from Senator Obama over the course of this campaign. But maybe just this once he could spare us the lectures, and admit to his own poor judgment in contributing to these problems. The crisis on Wall Street started in the Washington culture of lobbying and influence peddling, and he was square in the middle of it. [...]

"My friends, this is the problem with Washington. People like Senator Obama have been too busy gaming the system and haven't ever done a thing to actually challenge the system.

"At the beginning of this campaign he promised to raise taxes on your savings and investments. He said he won't raise taxes for most people but he has voted 94 times in his short Senate career for tax increases and against tax cuts. He said he would only tax the rich, but he voted this year to raise taxes on those making just $42,000. Senator Obama has simply not given Americans good reason to trust him with your tax dollars."

The line about Obama voting to raise taxes on those making $42,000 a year is a rather transparent lie, which was debunked months ago. The line about the 94 votes is also a rather transparent lie, which was also debunked months ago. (That really is the fundamental difference between McCain and his predecessors -- most candidates stop repeating lies after they've been exposed as lies.)

But putting all of that aside, I can't help but find it genuinely hilarious to hear McCain rail against the "Washington culture of lobbying and influence peddling," blame this culture for the Wall Street crisis, and insist that Obama is "square in the middle of it."

He couldn't be serious. McCain has 177 lobbyists working for him, either as aides, policy advisers, or fundraisers. Of the 177, 83 are Wall Street lobbyists, representing the very financial industry McCain is now railing against. McCain is now condemning influence peddling, while he had a high-priced corporate lobbyist overseeing his campaign strategy and simultaneously doing lobbying work from aboard McCain's campaign bus during the GOP primaries.

Who's in the middle of the "Washington culture of lobbying and influence peddling"?

For that matter, it's downright hysterical to hear McCain say that Obama's judgment has contributed to the crisis. This would be the same McCain who's teamed up with Phil Gramm -- who McCain has suggested would make a fine Treasury Secretary -- and who really does deserve blame for the current mess.

It's surprising how often the McCain campaign operates under the assumption that voters are idiots.

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not necessarily untrue that the electorate are complete idiots

Posted by: charles campbell1 on September 19, 2008 at 10:00 AM | PERMALINK

Not all voters.. Just republicans and undecideds.

Posted by: Matt on September 19, 2008 at 10:01 AM | PERMALINK

I would really like to see Obama hit McCain HARD with the Gramm connection. If there is one person who created this mess, it's Gramm.

Posted by: Astrogeek on September 19, 2008 at 10:10 AM | PERMALINK

McCain may be lying and distorting, but it seems to be working.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/issues2/trust_importance_on_issues

Posted by: cnmne on September 19, 2008 at 10:10 AM | PERMALINK

It's become trite to keep saying this, but: classic Rove. Take your biggest weakness, and attack your opponent for it. Then when he points out it's actually your weakness, the media will write stories saying "x and y exchanged charges today ..." The voter ends up numbed and confused, but retains an almost subconscious memory of - the attack, which you initiated.

Obama's people are getting slightly better at this game, and landed some blows this week, but they're still rank amateurs. Hope they get a lot better at it real soon.

Posted by: Basilisc on September 19, 2008 at 10:13 AM | PERMALINK

I think the proper response is:

If Obama were 'square in the middle' of lobbying and influence peddling, he'd be sitting on John McCain.

Posted by: Rod Hoffman on September 19, 2008 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK

"People like Senator Obama have been too busy gaming the system and haven't ever done a thing to actually challenge the system."

Uh, John, I believe the only way one can "challenge" the system is to "regulate" the system. And what was it you said about "regulating the system?" Oh yeah, you're against it.

Posted by: chrenson on September 19, 2008 at 10:18 AM | PERMALINK

McCain's true base are the morons. I am not saying that the traditional GOP base is necessarily made of morons. No, McCain is aiming squarely for the easily-confused, easily scared voter of any stripe. There is no other explanation for running a campaign based on transparent lies, "biographies," and "narratives" in combination with an eschewing of issues.

Posted by: airron on September 19, 2008 at 10:19 AM | PERMALINK

Funny how Obama hasn't been in the Senate very long and, according to Mccain, the only thing he has done while he's been there was run for President, but despite this he has still managed to be a central cause of the current meltdown. On the other hand, McCain, who has been there 26 years and with the majority party from 1994-2006, just tried and tried and tried to fix things, but couldn't get anybody to work with him.

I guess Washington does work in strange ways.

Posted by: Doug-E-Fresh on September 19, 2008 at 10:22 AM | PERMALINK

That's simply applying Rove/Schmidt 101: Attack your opponent's strength, and accuse your opponent of having your weaknesses. That way, when your opponent attacks your weaknesses, the audience won't regard the attack as legitimate. "You're just saying that because he attacked you for the same thing."

Posted by: John H on September 19, 2008 at 10:22 AM | PERMALINK

At some point, the Obama campaign needs to counterattack this line of bullshit by bringing up the Keating 5.

Posted by: Steve LaBonne on September 19, 2008 at 10:23 AM | PERMALINK

It's surprising how often the McCain campaign operates under the assumption that voters are idiots.

At least 40 percent of them are.

Posted by: Duncan Kinder on September 19, 2008 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK

Steve Benen wrote: "It's surprising how often the McCain campaign operates under the assumption that voters are idiots."

The McCain campaign operates on the assumption that voters are ignorant.

The McCain campaign operates on the assumption that most voters are simply not aware that these statements are long-discredited lies, and are not going to go online to FactCheck.org and find out.

The McCain campaign operates on the assumption that most Americans get most of their information from the corporate-owned mass media.

The McCain campaign operates on the assumption that the corporate-owned mass media is not going to call them out on their blatant lies, but will -- at most -- bury their "fact checks" on page A20 in articles that falsely suggest that "both sides are stretching the truth", while McCain's brazen, sickening and preposterous lies will be on prime time TV news and the front pages of newspapers.

So far, for the most part, the McCain campaign's assumptions appear to be correct.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on September 19, 2008 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK

McCain was against regulation before he was for it before he was against it again.

Straight-talk express coming thru!! Watch for detours.

Not only did his captors break his arms, they also broke his ability to hold any policy position for very long.

Posted by: Gridlock on September 19, 2008 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINK

McCain has now become completely divorced from reality.

This is what pathological liars do; they lie so often, at some point they begin to believe their own bullshit.

Posted by: on September 19, 2008 at 10:27 AM | PERMALINK

"Keating? Party of Five? Keating?"


God I hate this guy, I hope that thing on his face goes basketball size for all the lies.

Posted by: The Galloping Trollop on September 19, 2008 at 10:31 AM | PERMALINK

Every day is backwards day at the McCain campaign.

Posted by: mroberts on September 19, 2008 at 10:33 AM | PERMALINK

I agree we're seeing the Rove attack-your-opponent-for-their-strngth-and-your-weakenss tactic in play, but I suspect it's something else, as well.

McCain is unpopular, even with his own party. They don't want to hear what he has to say. McCain's carefully cultivated image as a "maverick" who reaches across the aisles is, and remains, a liability with these people. McCain isn't making an appeal to undecideds. He's throwing red meat to his base, who just want to hear something nasty about Obama. They're immune to pointing out it isn't true -- they just dismiss the information as "partisan" and "biased," no matter what objective facts are brought to bear. Movement conservatives can't handle even the remotest grounding in objective reality; they need a faith-based, pig-ignorant candiate like Sarah "George W. Bush with lipstick" Palin, no matter how dangerously incompetent and corrupt she may be. They see rational people object to her incompetence and ignorant as see that as a plus -- she "annoys liberals"!

The question is, as SecAn indicated, whether the press will report McCain's charges as he-said, she-said, or point out that he's lying yet again. If the press does its job, McCain's floundering won't bring independents back to him. I suspect, however, his shrill desperation won't do much to sway enough independents anyway. His continued desperation, and obvious need to appeal to his base, tells me that McCain's internal polling must be grim indeed.

Posted by: Gregory on September 19, 2008 at 10:33 AM | PERMALINK

It feels almost Vonnegut-esque. Sometimes I get the feeling that McCain's had an epiphany; he knows he's not qualified to lead this nation, and no longer really wants to. So he hires Rove's goons to make a mess of his campaign. He makes obvious flip-flops. He's pissed off the media he's spent deacdes cultivating. He picks a corrupt piece of campaign arm candy to be his running mate. But all the negatives turn into a positive; he just can't spread the gap between him and Obama, not without going full bug-out crazy. So, full bug-out crazy it just may be, time will tell. But seriously, even when you factor in the idea of winning "at all costs," is McCain running like a guy who seriously WANTS to win anymore? Or perhaps it's better to ask, is McCain really running like someone who wants TO BE PRESIDENT anymore?

Posted by: slappy magoo on September 19, 2008 at 10:36 AM | PERMALINK

The Confederacy of Dunces has no need for truth. They have Jesus.

Posted by: MissMudd on September 19, 2008 at 10:40 AM | PERMALINK

Um, don't McCain's charges rather blatantly contradict his earlier complaints about Obama's lack of experience? I mean, first according to McCain Obama's this raw beginner from nowhere who can't possibly know enough to be president and now all of a sudden he's the center of the corrupt Washington universe.

Has anybody considered the possibility that McCain believes his lies and doesn't really know what reality is anymore? Palin too? I just thought I'd mention that in case you don't have enough to worry about.

Posted by: Hieronymus Braintree on September 19, 2008 at 10:42 AM | PERMALINK

Airron writes, "McCain's true base are the morons."

I thought his true base was the media. What's that? Oh...never mind.

Posted by: azportsider on September 19, 2008 at 10:47 AM | PERMALINK

I, too, had a laugh out loud moment when I heard this yesterday. It was a real head shaker.

McCain, who has been in Washington for more than two decades is pretending like he's the new kid on the block and this damned Obama guy is personally responsible for, well, everything wrong.

Honestly, if stupidity wins this election, we deserve what we get. It is so transparently obvious that the Palin/McCain ticket is the most ethically, intellectually and morally challenged in living history.

Posted by: MsJoanne on September 19, 2008 at 10:49 AM | PERMALINK

The MSM is starting to become increasingly aware of some gaps in McCain's thought processes.

The blogosphere has been much more on top of his blather and lies.

The discussion needs to hammer home the fact that all of John's behaviors point smack dab at the very real possibility that he suffers from not only a hearing impairment but vascular dementia as well.

He lies because he can't remember that he's been told it was a lie. He reinvents himself because he can't recall what his self was yesterday.

He talks in rote phrases.

It's dangerous for us to pretend otherwise.

He ain't pandering, he's meandering!

Posted by: Tom Nicholson on September 19, 2008 at 10:52 AM | PERMALINK

What F A I L I N G looks like

We've heard a lot of words from Senator Obama over the course of this campaign. But maybe just this once he could spare us the lectures...

Just another small GOP dig at intelligence. Everybody knows lecturers are professorial. And everybody knows professors are elites. We should mock them. And bully them, like nerds in middle school. I hate people that do their homework, don't you?
[Insert sneers and cheers here.]

Shorter GOP: Thinking bad. Stupid good.
[Insert cheering crowd noise here.]

232 years of American history, and here we are: A major political party building its case on a disdain for those that ever dared to do the math...

McShameful.

Posted by: on September 19, 2008 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

Sometimes I get the feeling that McCain's had an epiphany; he knows he's not qualified to lead this nation, and no longer really wants to. So he hires Rove's goons to make a mess of his campaign. He makes obvious flip-flops. He's pissed off the media he's spent deacdes cultivating. He picks a corrupt piece of campaign arm candy to be his running mate.

I read a different take somewhere. There's no love lost between the Bush/Rove faction and McCain -- you know how the Bushies work; once you're on the Enemies List, there's no going home again.

So when McCain in desperation turns to Rove, the man he's trashed in the past, to save his pathetic campaign, the Rove minions make a point of campainging in such a way as to ruin McCain's "straight shooter" brand.

If McCain wins by it, well and good, but I think Rove knew McCain and the Republicans are doomed anyway, and so decided to use the opportunity to take McCain out of the picture (and maybe clear the way for Jeb?) and send him home without his precious honor.

Posted by: Gregory on September 19, 2008 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

Doug E Fresh: Oh man, that's excellent!

The world according to McCain:

1] Obama has no Washington experience but is a Washington insider that killed Wall Street.

2] McCain is a Maverick outsider with 26 years of Washington experience who, try as he might, has no influence over the economy and therefore should be elected.

Posted by: chrenson on September 19, 2008 at 10:57 AM | PERMALINK

Is there some body of evidence I'm unaware of suggesting that most voters are NOT idiots. "President Bush" is pretty good evidence that pretty close to half the voters ARE idiots.

Surely McCain's propensity to lie will cost him at the polls. Surely. Just ask former Presidents McGovern, Dukakis, Mondale and Kerry.

Posted by: Jim Pharo on September 19, 2008 at 11:10 AM | PERMALINK

There is a very serious and penetrating argument made about McCain and other long timers. But remember the term long timers, this is something that needs to be expressed in generations, the families, relations, friends that have connected for decades are part of the whole problem. This includes foreign influence too, perhaps the worst part of the whole equation. No, for me it is, this foreign influence is the worst part of the whole equation. They are the Wahabbi Arabs close friends of the Bush family.

So what in the hell am I talking about? Here, going back to the basic birth of Americas banking system, the Jekyll Island secret meeting of the richest people in the world deciding what is best form them rather than for you and me. They layed out the rules in banking for you and me. Of course the Constitution is taught in a wide open free issue, but the money system, this Jekyll Island secret that runs our government is layered with secrecy, fraud, corruption, misinformation, a complicit Mainstream Media, and out right profiteering at the expense of American innocent young minds, and life. Worse, America has an education system balanced for the rich and prosperous. America never had a free market. Now exampled by a twenty four hour open Federal Reserve Board window. Simply put if you’re with Bush you will get a huge share in free money right now. If not with Bush better think about working through retirement till you drop.

The creation of the Federal Reserve Board is the most fundemental swindle to middle and lower class electorate made into law that is protected by the Constitution, but if really debated for truth in a shared prosperity the Federal Reserve appears to be absolutely unconstitutional. Done with all the intention to rule with the surface value of freedom but is actually done with the inner core of tyranny. The perfect governance for the Neo-Con socialist.

It isn’t that Americans are stupid it is just that if you are taught the world is flat and there isn’t too much you can do about it, life just has to endure. Surprise the world is not flat, even though for centuries our great monarchs and the church defiantly made claim it was, is now clear they belong with those that say our resources in clean water, and clean air are not diminishing are in huge denial for ignoring this basic, plus avoiding the leadership necessary to benefit the electorate rather than the few. Just how much the church is connected to this Quasi government operation called the Federal Reserve? America might be alarmed how it reaches through foreign influence into ownership of the system that is our money supply.

When simple movies like the God father show huge multimillion dollar connections are embraced by the church to Italian Mafioso in modern America, you better believe it likely is deeper than that. Here, Evangelist possibly is the new wave of side tracked beliefs. All supported by the modern media of cable television with the sophistry art of no means yes or yes means no to confuse you me to get what they want.

Then one understands why our founding fathers with an absolute effort sought to keep government separate from the church…

For me, now, I think Obama understands this disparity better than McCain. Or no McCain understands it, though does not want you or me to understand the False Doctrine of the Republican Party. At first my thoughts believed there are some real Conservatives out there that would put a stop to this mess but no they are on board and support this lunatic and absurd philosophy which McCain actually admits to when McCain says “We lost our way”. The problem here is far too many Americans are stopping, looking, and asking the same idiot Republicans for directions. Now that is stupid.


Posted by: Megalomania on September 19, 2008 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

Maybe it's just me, but whenever I hear a politician (even one on "my" side) say that someone has voted for or against some concept 94 time, or any other number, I flash to "The (original) Manchurian Candidate", where the politician is saying that there were "57 Communists" in the State Department, while looking at the catchup bottle.

Posted by: Marc in Denver on September 19, 2008 at 11:50 AM | PERMALINK

Again,

Given that thew voters proved themselves to be idiots by re-electing Bush in 2004, why it is so surprising that McCain is treating them like such.

Over and over again, voters have allowed themselves to be influcence by misleading ads, so I should be no surprise that politicians continue to utilize them.

Posted by: mfw13 on September 19, 2008 at 12:01 PM | PERMALINK

Funny how the fact that Wall Street gives twice as much money to Obama than to McCain fails to enter to the discussion? And how the fact that democrat operatives have their fingerprints all over the subprime catastrophe? Recall that Franklin Raines looted Fannie May to the tune of $100 million dollar is not discussed? And that Jamie Gorlick astonishingly is behind not one but two trillion dollar debacles?

Posted by: Patrick on September 19, 2008 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK

Patrick: Citations, please!

Posted by: chrenson on September 19, 2008 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Patrick: Citations, please!

Why bother? Patrick's use of the telltale construction "democrat operatives" demonstrates that he's just here to repost some bullshit he read on Hot Air, Instapundit or some other dishonest wingnut site.

As I said in an earlier thread, you can see in Patrick's post the inherent dysfunction of the wingnut mindset. They're silent, unable to offer up any relevent thoughts of their own until a right-wing blogger posts the talking points. Then, full of relief and marching orders in hand, blockheads like Patrick file out to liberal blogs to assert -- on their own (feeble) authority -- that the host is wrong.

Not posting a link, so that the merits of the so-called argument can be evaluated, isn't their bag. They aren't here to engage in good faith debate. Perish forbid they come up with any facts or arguments on their own! They've been fed red meat so they can feel superior to liberals, and it doesn't matter to them in the least -- despite the tone of posts like Patricks, in which he pretends to be speaking uncomfortable truths -- what the facts are.

Here's a clue, wingnuts: Your assertions and a buck will buy a cup of coffee, and a lousy one at that. You'll need to bring a lot more that your word to have any credibility.

And needless to say, Patrick and his ilk don't stick around for the debunking of their pathetic talking points, let alone try to defend them. He's spoken his piece, by golly, and shown us uppity liberals!

Haven't you idiots learned yet not to trust the bullshit posted on right-wing blogs, no matter how comfortable it may be to your cognitive dissonance? Good Ford, the complete domination of you so-called conservatives by emotion over logic is simply embarrassing to behold.

Posted by: Gregory on September 19, 2008 at 12:22 PM | PERMALINK

Gregory - you are not supposed to use "Good Ford" until after the Anthrax bombs have finished their business.
On the other hand, Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

Posted by: BuzzMon on September 19, 2008 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK

The McCain campaign can match the Obama campaign wall street lobbyist for wall street lobbyist and still have enough left over to make up a 43 Man Squamish team, with subs.

Posted by: majun on September 19, 2008 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

On the other hand, Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

Nope -- Brave New World, not 1984.

Posted by: Gregory on September 19, 2008 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

Greg - I know that - that's the Anthrax bomb ref, they wiped out most of humanity making mass-production of people necessary.

My implication as that for Republicans war is peace, freedom is slavery, etc.

I think 1984 is far more fitting for today's world, but let me know where you get your soma....

Posted by: BuzzMon on September 19, 2008 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK

... rational debate? what debate? what Reason?

** It's time to take a laudanum break **

Where's our dwarf hero Old Salty? The Deregulator. Stay the course!, Salty.

With a defanged FDA and 47 million uninsured potential consumers of health care, I can show you how to solve the health care shortfall, end the'war'on drugs, and block a major source of revenue for the Taliban. You'll see. First,

Reach back to a time when healers couldn't heal anything at all, say 1900. (For those millions who cannot afford medical care, it might as well be 1900.)

Reintroduce laudanum. What is it? Why it is the silver bullet of the Victorian era -- an OTC alcoholic herbal preparation of opium. Whoever could not be cured, could be palliated.

Through deregulation and open, uninhibited market activity, results are immediate:
1. Buy entire supply of Afghani poppy production (muscles out Taliban)
2. Use economies of scale to undercut smuggled opiate prices ('war'on drugs ends)
3. Offer cut-rate laudanum to those not covered by health insurance (millions palliated daily)

Think about it, Salty. Turn away from the false idol of regulation. Sarah So-White will lap it up. Might help her seasonal affective disorder.

Posted by: bipolar2 on September 19, 2008 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

Ah, sorry, BuzzMon. If memory serves me right, it's Brad DeLong who titles some posts "I'll stop referring to Republicans as 'Orwellian' when they stop using 1984 as a how-to manual."

let me know where you get your soma

That's easy -- watching the Republicans self-destruct is almost (almost!) better than sex.

Posted by: Gregory on September 19, 2008 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

I'm sorry. But McCain's lies probably WILL work because the voters are, in fact,........STUPID!

Posted by: smartelephant on September 19, 2008 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

Randy Schueman(?), Randy Schueman Randy Schueman

will someine look this Top Adviser to McSHAME on Google and look at his clients. McShame keep talking about his 2005 fears, yet it was Schueman who was strongly lobbying against this bill for BOTH Fannie and Freddie.

McShame campaigns against lobbying and wall street, and his TOP advisor is a lobbyist for these groups.


Schueman- use this name every time McSHAME rails against Fannie and Freddie, and all thos bad, bad, bad boys on Wall Street!

Posted by: barkleyg on September 19, 2008 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK

Some of us old lefties remember a key bit of wisdom: watch what the "powers that be" DENY -- that's what's really going on. So with McCain.

Posted by: Nanuq on September 19, 2008 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

Some of us old lefties remember a key bit of wisdom: watch what the "powers that be" DENY -- that's what's really going on. So with McCain.

Posted by: Nanuq on September 19, 2008 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

"That really is the fundamental difference between McCain and his predecessors -- most candidates stop repeating lies after they've been exposed as lies."

physician, heal thyself.

i've been pointing out benen's 'mccain doesn't do regulation' lie for days (some of which hasn't been approved for posting so benen could keep lying with impunity). the WaPo sliced and diced obama's (and benen's) lies

steve benen must. stop. lying.
bring back kevin drum

Posted by: nitish on September 19, 2008 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

Problem is, the voters are idiots.

Posted by: William on September 19, 2008 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

"not necessarily untrue that the electorate are complete idiots"
Posted by: charles campbell1 on September 19, 2008 at 10:00 AM

"'President Bush' is pretty good evidence that pretty close to half the voters ARE idiots."
Posted by: Jim Pharo on September 19, 2008 at 11:10 AM

"I'm sorry. But McCain's lies probably WILL work because the voters are, in fact,........STUPID!"
Posted by: smartelephant on September 19, 2008 at 12:54 PM |
I'm not going to say any of these (or the many readers out there who no doubt agree) are wrong.
I am going to say that the data are nowhere near sufficient to draw this conclusion.
Any and all decision-makers operate under the reality of GIGO: garbage in, garbage out.
The mass media -- all of them -- are now, and have for some time been, the propaganda arm of the power structure. All the teevee networks and most of the print media are now wholly-owned subsidiaries of the very same corporatocracy of which our current Rethug party is also a functional subsidiary. And the entirety of the media are clearly operating to further the interests thereof.
Why else would over 60% of the electorate still think Saddam Hussein / Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 -- and our good friends the Saudis and Egyptians didn't?
Why else would almost nobody be aware of the fact that the Cheney/Bush cabal started spying on US citizens long before 9/11?
Why else would so few people -- even among those who have learned to look to the internet and international media for news -- know that the oil companies clamoring for offshore drilling rights aren't currently tapping the fields for which they they have existing leases on land?
Until the media make it possible even to understand the realities under which our political decisions are made, without massive effort (and how many beleagured American voters / consumers / workers have the time for that, even if they had the inclination?), we can't blame the voters for making bad calls.
Hell, under these conditions, I'm shocked (and very impressed with the American electorate) that the votes have been as "favorable" (then again, just how effective have "our" Congresscritters been lately?) as they have these last few rounds.

Posted by: smartalek on September 19, 2008 at 11:12 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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