Of course she is the only one who exemplifies youth and new energy without being encumbered by association with radical religious zealots as Obama is.

Palin must be starting to have nightmares about Couric. I can see her now thrashing around in her sleep mumbling "I don't know......leave me alone.....leave me alone.....".

"But my guy was a POW, so that is different!"

"Oh, and like that was so funny and like I was just there and saying this and like he came over and.."

Anyone ever tell Palin her language is showing?

Just can't help herself, can she? Or do you think she's got some also-ran assistant from the McCain campaign feeding her this shit (who will now be lucky if she or he gets to carry luggage from now on)?

She's in the deep-end of the pool and has no idea she is drowning. And who really believes that someone who has demonstrated repeatedly how little interest she has in national politics was AWARE of Biden's existence before a month ago, let alone when she was in 2nd grade?

Oh my god. Sure makes you question the judgment of Alaskan voters, doesn't it?

HA..Like OBAMA said..you cant make this shit up!!! haahah what a tool!

Just a quick throwback to the last Palin thread re the Couric interview. My understanding is that Palin was asked if there were any Supreme Court decisions other than Roe v. Wade, that she disagreed with.

Harder by being more specific than just naming any other historical decision, but did you know that only a little over three month's ago, Palin went on the record in TV interviews opposing the Supreme Court's Exxon Valdez decision?

Here's the link:

You all are kidding me, right?

What about the Exxon Valdez case that was decided on a little over THREE MONTHS ago. Sarah Palin disagreed with the decision and appeared in interviews on the record opposing the decision.

She couldn't remember THAT? WTF!!?

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H-26MOxH34

Couric had thrown her a softball and she blin . . . uh . . . I mean . . . blanked.

What a numbnuts she is!

If this woman becomes president, I'm going to hire someone to shoot me.

Do we have no national shame?

Don't answer that.

It's like these people have never heard of message discipline. Whatever gets you through the night is alright, I guess.

I think the problem is that the Bushies McCain hired were Koolaid drinkers and not the folks who mixed the punch. They really believed that it was Bush's machoness that won it for them and assumed that went doubly for a "war hero" like McCain. The Bushies weren't good at much, but they sure knew how to sell stuff.

There are fewer voters in Alaska than in Indianapolis, Indiana.

OMG, like you are being so MEAN, and she's so cute and perky!

And anyway, isn't it about time we got rid of all this silly, like, logic and consistency and stuff? I mean, these Wall Street guys were all logical, and they probably know all sorts of stuff, and look where it got us!

I love the idea of 7-year-old Sarah sitting there in the family den with a bowl of popcorn watching Joe Biden speeches on the teevee. Although this was way pre-CSPAN, so she probably had to have someone mail her parcels of Pathé newsreels.

Does Sarah Palin have a crush on Katie Couric or something? She'd rather eat nails than sit for an interview, but she's calling up Katie about everyday, hoping they can hang out and chat. It's just weird. Fortunately, Katie has no problem using that access to show us all Palin's remarkable, stupefying ignorance.

I still would not be surprised if Palin suddenly has to take care of baby Trig and cancel the debate. If this show goes on it is guaranteed to be a total howler and embarrassment, one of those things you watch through your fingers. I can't wait but I also dread it.

New energy and new ideas

Like yeah...if ya' wanna call oil new energy.

"Couric: You have a 72-year-old running mate,..."

With all due respect to Katie Couric, Sarah Palin is John McCain's running mate--not vice versa.

Apparently Palin's nonsense can infect the mind.

I think Palin knows perfectly well the dynamic between Obama and McCain. This is a rather blatant attempt by the McCain camp to upset that dynamic and steal away the "change" narrative. They know that it has pushed all the momentum Obama's way, particularly over the past two weeks, and they want to grab at that momentum themselves.

I also think that it isn't going to work, for two reasons:

First, it is the presidential candidate who sets the tone of the campaign. Palin isn't going to single-handedly redo McCain's image into that of an outsider bringing change when he so obviously isn't one.

Second, comparisons between Obama and Palin have been pretty obvious, but also pretty down-played within the MSM. Palin's gambit will make that comparison *explicit*, and she's going to suffer in comparison. Obama's appeal isn't just that he is an outsider bringing change, but also that he is extremely competent and knowledgeable, two things Palin has revealed herself not to be.

We all thought it was a joke when she referred to a "Palin-McCain administration," but now I'm starting to wonder.

She has built her political career on backstabbing her party elders. Maybe she is doing the same thing here. Maybe she joined the ticket knowing that McCain was doomed but wanting to take a free ride on his publicity train and set herself up for a Senate run or even a presidential run in 2012.

As little respect as McCain shows for her, she seems to show even less for him. It only makes sense that she would try to put some daylight between herself and McCain. He is doomed and his career is over. She is just getting started. It's worth keeping an eye on her actions over the next month -- I'm betting we will see more and more of these "inadvertent" "gaffes" where she implies that the top of the ticket is out of it and therefore losing this election is not her fault at all.

I think Sarah was off by a year in her little "joke" there. Biden assumed office in 1973, about a month before Palin turned 9 - which would put her in 3rd grade. Everyone knows 3rd graders are much more politically aware than 2nd graders.

The bridge to nowhere wasn't a new idea as it was started by then Governor Murkowski.

The pipeline idea also was not hers but Murkowski's

Yet she has latched onto these ideas and still holds onto them.

I havent heard a new idea yet from Palin.

Her windfall tax on all was nothing new.

Wheres the new ideas?

Any demented liberals out there still feeling sorry for Air Sarah?
That's like feeling sorry for a toothache.

If so, then check out this must read piece on her debating skills.
Biden better be damned ready and damned focused:

Debates proved twinkle trumps facts

*all should be oil, above - my bad =]

Did anyone think the right could find a person who could speak worse then Bush ?

"Palin: It's been since like '72, yah."

All this time I like, ya know, thought valley girls were from like California and that first dudes, ya know, were like the coolest eva. Duh.

colonpowwow said, "If this woman becomes president, I'm going to hire someone to shoot me."

Don't worry, Cheney'll do it for free. Throw in some puppies and you can pick the date.

How many times is she going to use that nasally, stilted, and annoying "...and ALSO..." on thursday?

One of these days, Palin is going to accidentally blurt out the truth - that when she was asked to be VP candidate, she said she wasn't qualified, but they told her that the VP or even the President don't really do anything but photo ops and reading teleprompters.

All I got was a registration page Koreyel.

Palin seems to have a penchant for returning to the scene of the crime and invariably wrecking more havoc with the whole problem, adding insult to injury.

People who do this repeatedly (as she does with the bridge to no-where lie and other things)are typically very entitled/arrogant OR just unbelievably naive in believing (subconsciously)they can somehow magically right their wrongs quickly and painlessly.

Magically being the key word here.

I note McCain does the same thing.

I'm the new energy, the new face, the new ideas....

Anybody have a link to that recent science paper that showed stupid people have a poor ability to serious self-evaluation? I need a reread. Obviously, that context is the only way to wrap one's brain around this odd Bratz doll....

I promise to feel sorry for Palin as soon as the memory of her nails-on-a-chalkboard voice fades from memory. I figure that'll be about 5 years after she becomes the answer to a trivia question.

So we're supposed to believe she's been listening to (or, pre-CSPAN, I assume she was assiduously reading) Senate speeches since she was 7, but she still knows, um, nothing about anything? Couric should have asked her what her favorite Biden speech was.

Remember the grief Gore took for saying he remembers the "Look for the Union label" song from his childhood, when he was in his 20s when it came out? Or how Clinton said something about hearing about the Iowa caucuses as a child when they only started in the 1970s? Dems would get pummelled for a whopper like this!!

Is gregor@3:08 serious? S/he obviously hasn't heard about Palin's whack-o church and Pastor Muthee, the African witch-hunter who laid hands on Palin and asked for protection from witches!

Second, WHY ISN'T ANYONE TALKING ABOUT PALIN'S USE OF THE WORD "hollerin'"?!? (See Couric's second sitdown with Palin AND McCain)

Is gregor@3:08 serious? S/he obviously hasn't heard about Palin's whack-o church and Pastor Muthee, the African witch-hunter who laid hands on Palin and asked for protection from witches!

Second, WHY ISN'T ANYONE TALKING ABOUT PALIN'S USE OF THE WORD "hollerin'"?!? (See Couric's second sitdown with Palin AND McCain)

Jet: All I got was a registration page Koreyel

Sorry. Click on the "Sarah Palin" link in this Andrew Sullivan post:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/quote-for-th-41.html

This woman so... deserves a beat down. A nasty, vile witch.

She's ugly on the inside, stupid on the outside.

I read parts of the debate Palin had with Murkowski.

Heres a tidbit:

Palin's answer:

No, I don't think that it includes something that is relatively benign. Explicit means explicit. No, I am pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I'm not anti-contraception. But yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that. That doesn't scare me, so it's something that I would support also.

New idea? Did it work?

Is she really that clueless or is she trying to sabotage McCain? Could that be part of why she was more coherent with Gibson? Everything she has been saying the last few days goes against McCain. The pizza incident. This quote. Channeling Tina Fey. Think about it - we know from Alaska she does not particularly care to work hard. We also know she does not mind sabotaging others for her benefit.

The woman is as dumb as a bag of hammers. Seriously. What more is there to say?

"...and, you know, I'm the new energy, the new face..."

yeah, well, two out of 3 ain't bad, GRANDMA.

No wonder why Sarah loves politics. Where else would a 44 year old be considered "the new face?"

Actually I'm surprised the McPalin campaign is still letting Couric follow her around and ask questions. A good campaign manager would have already filed for a restraining order.

Palin's just got to rein in that logorrhea of hers or it may get her into trouble some day.

If I were the McCain campaign I'd buy her a sock and instruct her to insert it into her mouth for no less than 10 seconds after, say, every second or third sentence.

***Of course she is the only one who exemplifies youth and new energy without being encumbered by association with radical religious zealots as Obama is.

Posted by: gregor on September 30, 2008 at 3:08 PM***

I guess you haven't seen that youtube video of Sarah Palin being blessed by her with hunting pastor from the Assembly of God church, just after he was railing against the jews. It's not like it's well-hidden on the internets tubes, but I suppose we only look for what we want to find...

Palin. Chalkboard. Scratch.

Just watched the linked CBS video again. At about the 13 second mark she hits a high note. Literally. Watch the guy behind her in the white hat plug his right ear...

Poor Cindy. She just had to stand there and grin and bear it.

Biden wasn't even sworn into office until 1973, under very trying circumstances, having lost his wife and daughter less than a month earlier. I'm not sure how quickly after that he started making speeches on the Senate floor, but it certainly wasn't, as Palin "remembers," in 1972.

Normally that would be nitpicking, but it really isn't when faced with such an outrageous lie, and considering the microscope under which every Democrat's speech is examined.

Congress passed legislation to expedite a pipeline in 2004. Palin's predecessor as governor, Republican Frank Murkowski, attempted to negotiate a deal with the three oil companies that control the North Slope gas, Exxon Mobil, BP, and Conoco Phillips. His plan would have awarded the companies a long-term tax freeze in return for relatively weak commitments to actually build the pipeline. But even though Vice President Dick Cheney and Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, lobbied hard for Murkowski's approach, Alaska's public and Legislature balked, viewing the proposal as stacked in favor of the Big Three oil companies. Palin rode criticism of Murkowski's deal to victory over him in the 2006 Republican gubernatorial primary and then to the governor's office later that year. She reversed Murkowski's strategy, asking the Legislature to pass a law setting criteria for a deal, then throwing the project open to companies other than the Big Three. The result was a commitment by an experienced pipeline company, TransCanada, to build the project, which may take 10 years, in return for $500 million in state seed money derived from Alaska's recent oil windfall.

She will be in and out of office, if elected, before this pipeline is in operation. And from what I have its not been started.

Thanks for the link Koreyel, but I note that she won the election not by twinkle which trumped facts but she used plenty of facts she got from being appointed to the gas and oil board by Murkowski himself.

If anything Palins rasing oil tax has worked to slow down the expedition of the pipeline.

will tina fey stand in for her thursday evening?

"...without being encumbered by association with radical religious zealots as Obama is."

Gregor, you really should get out more. Or maybe you don't consider witch doctors radical?

I can't afford to feel sorry for her right now.

The stakes are too high.

If you want to feel sorry for her, you need to separate that feeling
from the fact that she was an adult who had the gall (or idiocy) to accept McCain's request for V.P. nominee.

With this she is now a heartbeat away from being President, yet can't speak in complete sentences
or express a well-developed thought about issues small and large.

And that she continues to tell lie after lie, to stand for no choice or voice for women--even when they've been raped or incested, to kill moose from the air, to take the polar bear off the endangered species list, to believe that she has a direct line to God, to insist women pay for their own rape kits, to be interested in censoring books, to think Creationism ought to be taught in public schools, to believe that Global Warming is not man-made--and finally have the gall to look into the camera and mock a brilliant good-hearted visionary as merely a sorry: "Community Organizer" while challenging and declaring to millions that she is a Pit Bull with lipstick.

Sympathy no--fear that she might actually get elected in?--yes.

LOL, even Cindy McCain started to put her hand to her ear when Palin hit the high note.

May I also point out that John McCain was a co-sponser of that legislation?

She held up something her running mate had already done as something she'd DO in office.

John McCain is 23 years older than Alaska.

Now she's making the argument against experience?

Gold, Jerry, gold!

But really, didnt Biden become a senator in 1973?

I've been enjoying Palin's public humiliations as much as anyone, but now it's getting almost painful to watch.

But just think -- she'll spend the rest of her life being as irrelevant and ineffectual as Bush is today.

Just for a less-obvious observation, if she had actually spent the second grade discussing Senate speeches, she might conceivably be prepared for the vice presidency, since that's how long it evidently would have taken her to master the rhetorical skills necessary to survive an interview with Katie Couric.

I mean, c'mon. I'm a politics wonk and can name and summarize about 15 important Supreme Court decisions off the top of my head and I didn't know what the Senate *was* in second grade.

gradysu wrote:
Remember the grief Gore took for saying he remembers the "Look for the Union label" song from his childhood, when he was in his 20s when it came out?

Why, yes, I do recall the "union label song" JOKE that Al Gore used to tell to his labor union audiences. They usually laughed, which is appropriate when someone tells a JOKE. Some lying sacks of sh*t then used these incidents to claim that he was telling this as a childhood remembrance, much like they falsely claimed that he said that he invented the Internet...

Back on topic:
This has to be unprecedented. Has there ever been an incident in the past where a Presidential candidate's running mate endorsed the opponent??

jibeaux - My understanding is that Couric's question was more specific (difficult) in that she asked Palin, "Besides Roe v. Wade, what other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?"

That was actually a softball since Sarah was interviewed on the record only three months ago opposing the Supreme Court decision on the Exxon Valdez settlement case.

She couldn't remember that!?!

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H-26MOxH34

So... we're supposed to believe that lil' Sarah was listening to Biden's senate speeches, but that she hadn't ever heard of the Bush Doctrine, and can't think of any Supreme Court decisions? Ooohhhkay, sounds good to me! But she better be good and prepared for the debate, if she's been so focused on Biden for all these years.

From Koreyel's link:

"Since the McCain campaign demanded changes in the debate rules to include shorter question and answer times and limited interaction between the two candidates to prevent any free flowing discussions..."

I mean what the fuckity fuck? Will she need a high chair and a bib too?

I was over at "the hill" blog and this, this, this woman, Kathy Kemper, was lathering it on, even going so far as say Sarah is "sexy and hip".

In what alternate universe, pray tell? Wherever it is, I suppose Kay Bailey Hutchison is a pin-up babe and Anne Coulter is a Playboy bunny. Damn these people have mangled vision.

The Boss said, "One day we'll look back at this and it will all be funny". It sure ain't funny now; it's fucking bizarre.

Surely Gregor was being ironic?

There's a subtext to Palin's remarks: "I'm the young and white new face. Obama's sorta young; but he's like, not white, ya know?"

The format of the "debate" is what both campaigns agreed to. If you've ever watched Joe "off the cuff" - it wasn't that hard for Democrats to agree too, even if it is good for Sarah.

All Joe has to do is to look presidential, businesslike, and be polite, and he will win the day no matter how the spin goes re Palin and her performance. If he tries to "out-cute" her by being good ol' goof Joe, or tries to attack her in any way other than the occasional "I'm not sure what Governor Palin is suggesting, but" (to highlight her generalities) - he will not accomplish what needs to be done.

Independents (heck rightwing nutjob commentators) already think she's unqualified. Joe doesn't need to do any more of this. Just stay to your own and present the facts. Slow and steady wins. Look to the ticket leader, Luke.

Holy Rock n' Rollers. Speaking of Bruce, just heard he and Billy Joel are doing a Barack benefit concert the day after the last debate.

Hey Buddy, can ya spare $10,000?

you know, I'm the new energy, the new face, the new ideas

My goodness, she's certainly full of herself, isn't she?

I'm glad to see she's sabatoging her own campaign's tactic of lowering expectations for her.

Yep, regular readers know gregor was kidding about the double standard applied to Obama and this nitwit Sarah Plain. There are even some so monumentally stupid as to compare the experience levels of the two and (wait, this isn't a joke) put her ahead of him - and here's the punchline - without recognizing that the argument is so stupid that it suggests that the ticket should therefore be

Palin/McCain - because an idiot at the top of the ticket is assured either of our candidates, but at least this way we put the experienced one on top!

(okay, must work on pithy)

I have a different take on this. This is Palin talking yesterday, against the backdrop of the well-circulated clips of the Couric interview. Her remarks, in that context, are very deliberate. The obvious implication is: my virtues are energy and personality, and my faults are the fault of inexperience--just like Obama. Now the deeper subtext: If the Couric interview clips made you nervous about a VP who's not ready for the job, then how about a President who's not ready? The strategy with Palin from the get-go has been to take any criticism of Palin and turn it around and apply it to Obama. Her remarks are of a piece with that strategy. This move doesn't survive a second look (Obama doesn't babble in interviews), but it's not trying to, really, it just wants generate impressionistic association.

Yes, that's pretty funny, Sarah; it was clever of your briefing board to feed it to you. They left out the part where the second grade was the last time you learned anything.

It is clear that shorter Q&A times will benefit Palin. Maybe 10 seconds is about right. Even if she could get the facts right her syntax is totally garbled after about ten words. It is painful trying to decode her speech.

Ifill should definitley ask Ms. Palin to specifically name a few f the "new ideas" she and McCain are championing. I would like to know what they are.