he could just start wearing a clown suit complete with honking red nose.

Actually, Gaucho, that would be more honorable than what he's doing now.

I can just see the Jon Stewart parody of this ad where he'll take individual words from one of John McCain's speeches and make up a whole ridiculous paragragh - one that will sound like it came from Sarah Palin. A two-fer.

Hey, this is just your typical right wing quote-mining, learned and honed from the religious right's experience at pushing creationism.

really he should be wearing, honestly, a devil's costume complete with pitchfork and horns for that is indeed what this piece of secretion has become ...

and for god's sake how do all these 'christian' sheep/followers justify all the evil lies ? i mean one of the things jesus taught as one of great sins was in fact lying ? and bearing false witness ? so how in the fuck do these 'christian's' rationalize this ?

Hey, moveon is running a great ad out here in the Palm Springs market. Looked like one of those old Jesse Helms/Congressional Club nasties and I loved it.

In your face, you ugly-ass bitches.

Wow. I hope someone in the media speaks up and burns him for this latest one. To which he'll just blame the liberal media ...

They took the redstate pill ...

Obama was talking about the "long-term fundamentals" as part of his economic plan, not of today's economy. Either McCain campaign officials have the listening comprehension skills of a toddler, or they're lying, again, to the public, and cynically counting on voters being too stupid to see through their nonsense.

Duh. It's a political campaign. Both sides do this. Always have and always will.

I know it's a slow news day, but I asked you for news about the ethics probe in Alaska and Schmitz continues presence in the McCain campaign. Nothings going to happen on the bailout until Thursday. It's time to bring up "old business."

I sure hope McCain gets crushed and we see the end of the Rovian movement forever.

That's Just What I Said

"I suppose it's possible for the McCain campaign to be more pathetic, but it's hard to see how."

Wait a few days and we'll see how..

It's important for anyone who wants to defend from out-of-context abuse to avoid use of articles and vague references, like "we've got"... Always refer directly to something specific, so say "my plan has the long-term fundamentals..." Every time you speak or write, imagine what pieces of it can be made to mean.

tyrannogenius

Here's what I don't get: Aside from the diehard GOP base, these sorts of attacks on Obama haven't worked, hardly, at all. Yet they keep attacking Obama in the way that's been proven not to work, a sort of "insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result" kind of thing. The McCain camp needs to understand just how much they've painted themselves into a corner. The negative attacks aren't working, and they are almost-instantly refuted, exposing them to be the hypocritical partisan hacks they are, but they have nothing else to offer except MORE negative attacks, which are almost-instantly refuted, and so on. At what point will they realize that they're shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, because they don't know how to do anything else besides be dicks?

Here's hoping they realize it AFTER Election Day.

*I suppose it's possible for the McCain campaign to be more pathetic, but it's hard to see how.*

Not hard at all. McCain wants to be President very, very badly. His campaign is being run by strategists who are very comfortable with lies. And this is exactly the type of campaigning that worked so well against him in 2000. He's a believer.

The only comforting fact is that Palin has become a national joke and McCain's behavior is reflected in the polls - he's losing it (HE'S OLD!).

I understand there is still relatively a long time between now and election day, but short of the 'ole, 'dead girl/live boy' scenario, I don't see how McCain can recover from the past two weeks.

I only hope the Palin debate isn't canceled or rescheduled at this point - it could happen.

Listening to the McCain campaign rhetoric these days reminds me not to eat that turd sandwich they want me to. I ain't gonna fall for the old rope a dope poly this time around! -Kevo

McCeating = Slimeball. Simple math. Simple enough for Sara Palin, (who knows math because she used to live next to publishing house that produced mathbooks.)

I suppose it's possible for the McCain campaign to be more pathetic, but it's hard to see how.

Oh, that's easy: Palin/McCain '08!

Oh, it's the Quote Mine game!

Here are some ACTUAL QUOTES FROM THE BIBLE!

Isaiah 44:6
There is no god

Isaiah 44:8
There is no god

Isaiah 45:5
There is no god

Isaiah 45:14
There is no god

Isaiah 45:21
There is no god

2 Chronicles 6:14
There is no god

Deuteronomy 32:39
There is no god

1 Kings 8:23
There is no god

2 Kings 1:16
There is no god

2 Kings 5:15
There is no god

Psalms 14:1
There is no god

Psalms 53:1
There is no god

Dale you know I do too, but something tells me when they do lose, they'll morph into something even more hideous. All you have to do is turn the tv on on Sunday and see all these mega-million member churches breeding more and more contempt and more dumbass baby jesus freaks.

Maybe they'll all migrate to Juneau, where the men are burly and the moose are nervous.

I'm surprised the McCampaign didn't simply parse the first sentence of the speech to read: "We need a plan that would extend unemployment." I mean, if you're going to take things out of context, why not go for the gold?

Also, I think the use of a 'fundamentals' ad campaign by McCain is an attempt to obfuscate Obama's use of "John, what economy are you talking about". Being able to capture Obama saying anything about fundamentals allows them to enter the 'he said, she said, tit-for-tat' discourse.

They took the redstate pill

WIN

Oddly enough, this looks to be almost the exact same context error that was committed when analyzing Gov. Palin's infamous "a task that is from God" quote.

"We need a plan that [would do such-and-such, leading to a situation wherein] we've got the long-term fundamentals that will really make sure this economy grows."

"Pray that [the war in Iraq is] a task that is from God."

The [bracketed] paraphrasings aren't 100% parallel, but the similarity is there, I think.

I'm not a concern troll, I'm completely pro-Obama, just interested in odd semantic things like this.

John McCain can claim forgetfulness, but his campaign ads are lying and he's flip-flopping and misquoting Barack Obama.

John McCain claimed to support the bailout bill before leading House Republicans away from the table. That's not real leadership.

We can't trust John McCain. He's not a real leader.

McCain is a shameless liar. He is si damn desperate he can't even keep his lies straight. He toatally disgusts me. But, at least some neocons are staring to speak to the truth about his lies and Palin. Thank you God, for that.
If he manages to get in the White House, you know its from stealing the election as in 2000 and 2004.

The taken out of context quote doesn't change the meaning of what Obama said. The interpretation that they added on is just made up nonsense.

Re-read the quote: "we've got the long-term fundamentals that will really make sure this economy grows".

What was cut out of Obama's quote was a list of the fundamentals that would help the economy grow.

Nobody (Obama or McCain) ever claimed that good fundamentals are needed to help the economy grow.

The Obama quote, even out of context, never says the fundamentals are strong.

But why would McCain remind everyone that he even said this? Maybe the point is that Obama is as stupid as McCain?

Steve wrote:
Either McCain campaign officials have the listening comprehension skills of a toddler, or they're lying, again, to the public, and cynically counting on voters being too stupid to see through their nonsense.

It's not an either-or proposition. They are infantile liars.

Yes they can get much worse.With roveroolala in the script room anything goes.
Fake documents, fake photos, fake wars, anything.
Look at the history of their behavior.
They make up whatever words or phrases their few working brain cells can line up one after the other, give them to their wind-up men and girls and let them run around and bounce off the walls.
Like an old pong game od'd on meth they move their lips and keep them moving. The sounds of insanity keep bouncing and bouncing. The sewage drinkers can make sense of all this noise. They find so much value in the constant haze of lies.
Makes them feel good about themselves.
If the u.s. real people have not noticed yet: the fight is against an insane disease named greed.
Greed is more deadly than cancer and spreads by association.

Oh well, so it's perfectly ok to say, McCain: "Maybe a hundred (years in Iraq), that's perfectly fine with me."

Right?

It's the twenty eight percenters that have the comprehension skills of a toddler.

Good to see they're wasting money on something like this. Because it just doesn't sound the least bit effective. Let's suppose there wasn't that context. So what? Obama says the fundamentals of the economy are good long-term and that's a reason to vote against him? We've got a million things to pin on McCain, some of which we're using, and this is the best they could come up with?

I don't share the view that McCain's ads aren't working, just because we don't have any way to know that. Maybe they are. Maybe without them, BO would be 10 points ahead everywhere.

These kinds of sleezy attacks do work. I just wonder if the day will come when voters see them for what they are.

At this point, I think it almost doesn't matter what the McCain campaign puts in an ad.

The states where they are saturating the airwaves with this stuff? There's no one watching the political ads any more. They are sick of them. (Visitor from Ohio just confirmed.)

Plus all this economic-talk is turning voters off. They want to know who screwed the pooch and who (other than them) is going to pay for it.

Plus which, with the ReThuglian administration for the last eight years, the general impression is that it's Bush's fault.

Fine and dandy.

"so how in the fuck do these 'christian's' rationalize this ?"

Remember when Mel Brooks dropped one of the tablets, and it became the Ten Commandments rather than the Fifteen Commandments?

The Eleventh Commandment was "thou shalt not terminate a pregnancy."

And the higher the number, the more important the commandment, so that not allowing abortion is more important than not bearing false witness, not to mention not coveting thy neighbor's wife.