October 6, 2008
DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT GEOGRAPHY.... In July, John McCain got confused and started talking about the "situation on the Iraq-Pakistan border." Iraq and Pakistan, of course, don't share a border.
Yesterday, McCain's running mate got even more confused about geography.
Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin called Afghanistan "our neighboring country" on Sunday in a speech that could revive questions over her tendency to stumble into linguistic knots.
Three days after a mostly gaffe-free debate performance, the Alaska governor fumbled during a speech in which she praised U.S. soldiers for "fighting terrorism and protecting us and our democratic values".
"They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan," she told several hundred supporters at a fundraising event in San Francisco.
The gaffe could add fuel to comedians and late-night talk show hosts who have seized on her linguistic infelicities to portray her as someone not to be taken seriously.
I'm curious about what she was trying to say, but haven't come up with anything. I saw some suggestions that she might have been thinking of Iraq as part of the U.S., but Iraq and Afghanistan aren't neighbors, either.
Just four days ago, the McCain campaign slammed Joe Biden for committing a lot of "gaffes." I think they were projecting.
—Steve Benen 10:00 AM
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If the rule that knowledge of a place comes from proximity to that place is true (ie. Russia to Alaska), isn't the inverse rule true also? That being, that knowing about Afghanistan makes it closer?
Just askin'
Posted by: Lab Partner on October 6, 2008 at 10:04 AM | PERMALINK
neighbor = friend
In her mind, anyway.
Posted by: CarloP on October 6, 2008 at 10:04 AM | PERMALINK
All she has to do is say it's a global economy and we all share globally in the fight against terrorism. Brotherhood of man. I am my neighbor's keeper. Get all biblical about it. Hence we're all "neighbors" and elitists are merely parsing her words in a way to make her look dumb. Rove can parry this one with both hands tied behind his back.
Posted by: steve duncan on October 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM | PERMALINK
I really do think Palin suffers from attention deficit disorder. Her brain and mouth are not attached.
Posted by: jen f on October 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM | PERMALINK
Steve, I don't think you need to even mention a subject anymore.
She's in web parlance, a 404 error and leave it at that.
Posted by: Former Dan on October 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM | PERMALINK
What she probably meant to say was that 'there is hope and opportunity in the neighboring country of Pakistan' only she didn't have the line memorized correctly. It's the only way it makes any sense at all.
As for Palin, my wife -- who had almost totally lost interest in politics after the defeat of Ferraro until the election, and now watches Keith and Rachel regularly -- had two apt zingers.
"She doesn't act like she's running for Vice President but for Class President."
and
"Republicans are pretty bad, but at least the men act like they've been potty-trained."
Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on October 6, 2008 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK
I think her problem is that she learns phrases but doesn't really know what they mean. In this case, she just liked the sound of the word "neighboring" as if it meant the same as "friendly". The problem isn't that she doesn't know geography, as I'm sure she's aware that Afghanistan isn't next to us. Her problem is that she doesn't really know the English language very well and is too dumb to realize this.
Posted by: Doctor Biobrain on October 6, 2008 at 10:09 AM | PERMALINK
Three days after a mostly gaffe-free debate performance - reuters
Support of civil unions? McClellan? unique VP powers? Sudan divestment? NCLB doesn't work? doesn't matter if Climate Change is manmade? wink? I don't answer questions asked?
I'm sure I'm forgetting a few, but Reuters is being a bit overly generous.
Posted by: Danp on October 6, 2008 at 10:12 AM | PERMALINK
I really do think Palin suffers from attention deficit disorder. Her brain and mouth are not attached.
Yep. 'Cept we are the ones suffering.
Posted by: Blue Girl on October 6, 2008 at 10:13 AM | PERMALINK
"Projection" is EXACTLY what the McCain campaign strategy is all about.
Posted by: Chopin on October 6, 2008 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK
But Biden said FDR was president when the Depression started. When you're vice president, it's much more important to recite historical facts correctly than to know where the countries in which are currently fighting wars are located (or to know the views of the generals leading our forces there).
Posted by: ibid on October 6, 2008 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINK
OT, but the Dow just went below 10,000 -- didn't see exactly when.
Hold on to your hats, investors are superstitious, and it's gonna be a really bumpy sled ride now.
Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on October 6, 2008 at 10:29 AM | PERMALINK
I suspect Palin's gaffes come not only from being uninformed, but also from being overly scripted. Her constant reliance on talking points is obvious, but I don't believe for a moment that she's actually stupid. Vindictive and insular, with a tendency to abuse power and reward cronies at the expense of talent, but not stupid.
I'll bet that someday we'll learn that the McCain team overloaded her, not only with what she can say and what she can't, but also HOW she can say what she can. They're aware of her shortcomings as a national candidate, as they ought to be, and by requiring her to only give certain answers no matter what the question is, they make her look sillier than she actually is. I don't think they have an alternative, either, and it couldn't happen to a nicer campaign.
Posted by: Wally on October 6, 2008 at 10:37 AM | PERMALINK
I think you should spread the news of these terrible gaffes to voters in all "57" states.
Posted by: OllieG on October 6, 2008 at 10:38 AM | PERMALINK
I realize now that John McCain's adviser was off by a decimal point when he wrote Dow 36,000. If we get McCain we will likely see Dow 3600.
Posted by: the on October 6, 2008 at 10:39 AM | PERMALINK
Note to John and Sarah: Sarcasm only works with the base. The rest of us find it a turn-off.
Posted by: DAY on October 6, 2008 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK
This is really going to damage Palin-oh no wait it's not!
Posted by: Dublin on October 6, 2008 at 10:54 AM | PERMALINK
Look, it's quite simple. It's a well-established fact that you can see Russia from Alaska, after all, and since Afghanistan is a neighboring country to Russia it follows, ipso facto, that you can see Afghanistan from Alaska, which makes them neighboring countries.
Posted by: Stefan on October 6, 2008 at 10:56 AM | PERMALINK
Obviously, she was merely confusing Afghanistan with Russia, which she can clearly see from her office window, what with Alaska and Russia beiung such close neighbors, after all. Anybody could make the same mistake, really, what with Russia and Afghanistan being so similar and all.
Posted by: Pocket Rocket on October 6, 2008 at 10:56 AM | PERMALINK
I think it's pretty clear what she meant. Alphabetically, Afghanistan is pretty close to Alaska.
Posted by: hark on October 6, 2008 at 10:57 AM | PERMALINK
CarloP got it right. She was using "neighbor" to mean "friend." She doesn't think Afghanistan is a literal neighbor. She has no idea where it is located.
Posted by: anandine on October 6, 2008 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK
"...since Afghanistan is a neighboring country to Russia..."
Stefan, have you checked a map within the past couple decades? Or, like McCain, do you also still refer to the Czech Republic as Czechoslovakia?
Posted by: Mike on October 6, 2008 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK
Speaking of geography, Reuters has the location wrong. It was in Burlingame CA, not San Francisco.
Different county - you wouldn't substitute Orange County for Los Angles Country.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/05/MN8N13BSR2.DTL&tsp=1
(For you all not in the SF Bay Area, Burlingame is a wealthy suburb of the area, much more conservative than San Francisco. It's in the county just south of SF, San Mateo.)
Posted by: MobiusKlein on October 6, 2008 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK
Look, someone who lives two doors down from you is still your neighbor, right? Otherwise why would we differentiate next-door neighbors?
So, Russia is Alaska's next door neighbor and Afghanistan is just two doors down from Alaska. Afghanistan is probably the better neighnor, in fact, if it keeps its kids out of Alaska's yard, whereas Putin just keeps rearing his head on Sarah's lawn.
Posted by: Gideon Ross on October 6, 2008 at 12:23 PM | PERMALINK
My guess is that she wanted to say "ally" and got mixed up.
Posted by: T-Rex on October 6, 2008 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK
She probably meant, neighboring to Iraq, but it's still a dumb statement - and she doesn't have old age as a semi-excuse.
Posted by: Neil B on October 6, 2008 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK
Stefan, have you checked a map within the past couple decades? Or, like McCain, do you also still refer to the Czech Republic as Czechoslovakia?
I was using sarcasm.....unsuccessfully, I see....
Posted by: Stefan on October 6, 2008 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK
Pretty sure even Palin knows that Afghanistan is no where near the United States. If there's any lesson to be learned from the gaffe (and there probably isn't, but I'm going to make one, anyway), it's that Palin relies too much on "filler" words to try to sound like she knows what she's talking about. Anyone who's ever written a paper about a book he or she never read knows that when you don't have anything to say, you use a lot of adjectives, which never say that much anyway (but add to the word count nonetheless).
Note to Palin:
Cut the fluff words, and your talking points get that much easier to memorize.
Posted by: Left_but_Right on October 6, 2008 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK
I think Carlo has it right; she must mean 'a neighbor in the world community' not as in, being adjacent.
Still, listening to her is like untying kite string.
Posted by: Crissa on October 6, 2008 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK