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October 9, 2008

THURSDAY'S MINI-REPORT.... Today's edition of quick hits:

* The Dow closed down another 679 points today. It closed below 9,000 for the first time since June 2003, and is now at its lowest points since May 2003.

* Krugman added: "The money markets are frozen; the TED spread is 4.14%. G7 meeting tomorrow, IMF-World Bank over the weekend. Now is the time for major action -- an announcement of coordinated capital injections, liquidity measures, and more. If we've had nothing except vague assurances by Monday...."

* McCain spent the day smearing Obama for knowing Bill Ayers. It comes a day after his campaign assured us that McCain would not smear Obama for knowing Bill Ayers.

* McCain has begun using Hillary Clinton to excuse his Ayers-related attacks. Clinton is not amused.

* A day after Obama dared McCain to bring these attacks to his face, Joe Biden also questioned McCain's fortitude: "In my neighborhood, when you've got something to say to a guy, you look him in the eye and you say it to him."

* Todd Palin seems to have had an "Ahab-like obsession" with Mike Wooten. (The "Troopergate" report is still due tomorrow, by the way.)

* No one seems to think McCain's mortgage policy makes any sense.

* Remember that undecided voter in the debate, who McCain said had probably never heard of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac? He's feeling a little insulted right about now.

* MSNBC's "First Read" might not remember it, but McCain, by his standards, voted to cut off funding for the troops in the middle of a war.

* Charles Keating once told McCain, in writing, "I'm yours till death do us part." Wow.

* The Lee Country sheriff who appeared in uniform to smear Obama and praise McCain is now under investigation for his partisan efforts. (thanks to reader K.Z.)

* McCain-Palin fanatics are getting really scary.

* No, really, I mean it. These folks are stark raving mad.

* You think I'm kidding, but seriously, these folks have lost it.

* Have you heard about the American Center for Sarah Palin Inspriational [sic] Limericks?

* And finally, it's possible there have been more pathetic interviews than the one last night between Hannity, McCain, and Palin, but I honestly can't think of one.

Anything to add? Consider this an open thread.

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Looks like that Naomi Wold gave these guys the idea to practice the shock doctrine on Americans.

We are all Chileans now.

Posted by: gregor on October 9, 2008 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK

Outside the fact it is sleazy and unconscionable, why is McCain/Palin obsessed with creating Obama/Ayers/terrorist as though it's one name.

Wasn't the time to rally the hardshell GOP base during the primaries? Isn't this the time to appeal to the broader electorate and, I don't know, discuss solutions for the crumbling economy, health insurance, and the housing mess?

Is fear all McCain/Palin have?

This has been another round of Questions with Self-Explanatory Answers. Thank you.

Posted by: Dave In Texas on October 9, 2008 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK

As it becomes impossible even for the McCain campaign to ignore the economy, this afternoon they have a new tack: blame those who actually tried to do something to help. The financial meltdown is now the fault of Democrats in Congress who "worked against reform," "sold out to Fannie and Freddie" and received favorable mortgages as their reward. McCain's new Ayers and Wright are now Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, and a 527 has chimed in with a financial swiftboat ad.

I know it's pointless to ask, but how stupid do they think we are? The Repubs controlled Congress for twelve of the last fourteen years and, to put it mildly, were never anxious about reform, tending more toward selling the store, fixtures and all, to the first lobbyist with a fistful of cash. McCain "called off" his campaign to go to Washington and sit silently while this bailout was arranged -- and then voted for it. Not exactly ancient history, more like week before last. Does he really think the American people have so little memory?

It'll be interesting to hear Frank and Dodd's reaction to this. Neither one is exactly shy, and either can tie McCain and his swiftboaties in knots on the issues. I wonder if McCain just handed the Democrats yet another target.

Posted by: ericfree on October 9, 2008 at 5:43 PM | PERMALINK

Scarey? Stark raving mad? Lost it?
I've been saying for months that modern conservatism has devolved from a political philosophy to a mental illness. With the selection of Palin, the capitulation is complete. The inmates are ruling the ward of the GOP asylum, while logic and reason have been chained in the basement. These people are only going to get uglier. We need a serious upgrade to our mental health systems.

Posted by: JoeW on October 9, 2008 at 5:45 PM | PERMALINK

Wow, those videos are disturbing.

In the second one, Palin accuses the MSM of not having done their job asking Obama the tough questions.

They are so unaware.

I'm so very glad the country is smarter than that.

Posted by: doubtful on October 9, 2008 at 5:46 PM | PERMALINK

Dramatic reading of the minutes from May 1996:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMocEINn-E8

SNL wouldn't have to change a line...

Posted by: koreyel on October 9, 2008 at 5:51 PM | PERMALINK

* No one seems to think McCain's mortgage policy makes any sense.

Or his gas tax, or his plan for off shore drilling. But then that's what you get when you use lobbyists to decide policy. It's not just the McCain campaign. It's the whole '94 through present K Street Project. And it's special interests funded thinktanks like Cato, AEI and Heritage Foundation.

Posted by: Danp on October 9, 2008 at 5:53 PM | PERMALINK

We all could be totally convinced that as long as Bush is in office he will pardon anyone who is with him that is convicted for any stock market or banking fraud.

Here, Bush has till 01/20/09

So, a steady dump on the market could continue…

Bush and the Arab money are leaving the market, what would really be funny is if Bush asked for another trillion to prop the market up.

America should pretty well look back to conclude Bin Laden won, some how some way the Arabs bombed the market with their gas manipulation. Sorry thats only my opinion, and for the Arabs to see greater America in confusion and especially see the twenty five million or so Americans ready for retire suffer because of the down turn in this economy is the real action the Arab Wahabbi wanted. They Won, the Arab Wahabbi, won this round big time.

Some how for me this surge, a decline of type, of surge, this reversal in value through out the system out flanks any troop movement in any country way off, some where, like in Iraq they don’t even know how to govern themselves.

Or do we? This economic hit does not feel too good does it?

Posted by: Megalomania on October 9, 2008 at 5:55 PM | PERMALINK

Unless the media steps it up a notch (with their outrage), and unless high profile folks come forward with special announcements now--this will no doubt get worse. We've all seen this movie before. It's just not funny anymore. Both Palin and McCain need to be publicly condemned in a big way.
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"The opposite of love is not hate, but rather indifference". Victor Frankl (Holocaust Survivor and Nobel Peace Prize winner).

Posted by: iseerussiafrommyhouse on October 9, 2008 at 6:05 PM | PERMALINK


Are McCain supporters stark raving mad? Of course they are. It's simple statistics.

In any group of people there is a portion who are incorrigibly stupid, just as there is a portion who are reasoning functional adults. The third portion are those who are reasoning yet for one reason or another are unable to act as a result of their reason.

These three groups show up at political rallys: the first to flaunt their stupidity, the second to learn more, and the third to support "their guy".

Obama has successfully pulled a large chunk of the second group out of McCain's camp. Some would argue that it's really McCain who has pushed them out, but the difference is academic.

At the same time, a large chunk of the third group are just too damned embarrassed to show up any more. They will vote Republican because they always have and just plain owe it to the Gipper or whatever, but they don't want to end up on the news associated with McCain.

What you're left with is an ignoramus feeding frenzy.

People talk about the Obama swing hitting it's ceiling, and this is what they are talking about. Obama will not be swaying any more people who would consider going to a McCain rally, because he's already reaped that particular harvest. The remaining voters he might add to his column, to *our* column going forward, are those that are just too embarrassed to be associated with McCain. Obama's focus to get those voters behind him is that he needs to overcome the personal inertia which is keeping them voting for a losing and against-their-interests ticket.

Of course, unless he loses the rational, functioning camp between now and election day, he's won this election. That will give him four years to prove to the third camp that it is okay to vote for someone who supports their interests.

Posted by: Tom Dibble on October 9, 2008 at 6:07 PM | PERMALINK

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917

Alaska state Supreme Court refuses to shut down Troopergate probe. The report will be released tomorrow.

Posted by: Keori on October 9, 2008 at 6:12 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I just got my 401(k) report for the quarter ending Sept 30. It wasn't pretty. I can't imagine what kind of damage it has sustained by now.

You think I want to watch the news tonight and hear about Ayers?

Posted by: Mark on October 9, 2008 at 6:16 PM | PERMALINK

"Revivalesque."

Try that one on.

It describes what Palin/McCain events and rallies have and will become for the next 4 weeks.

They have decided to make this a very simple election, black or white.

Ugly doesn't even begin to describe what's happening.

On a day when the DOW tumbles to it's lowest point in 5 years, John and Sarah can only come up with a weak and tenuous assault on Obama over a terrorist that did his dirty work when Obama was 9 years old.

Enough.

Any crowd that has folks screaming "kill him" or "terrorist" needs to be broadcast asap via You Tube across the globe. Then folks all over the planet can see what a circus our election cycle has become.

What will we do if, god forbid, something happens aka 1968?


Posted by: Tom Nicholson on October 9, 2008 at 6:16 PM | PERMALINK

I just called McCain/Palin campaign number 1-703-418-2008. Left a message in the general mailbox saying "there are so many real issues, why is the campaign focusing on this made-up Ayers issue?" Give it a try - it will make you feel better!

Posted by: oneCTvoter on October 9, 2008 at 6:19 PM | PERMALINK

I read the Drum piece. So Moneghan was fired because he wouldn't wet widdle Sawah use his pwane? Poow widdle hew.

Sometime recently like Monday maybe, wasn't there an article about the Palin's wealth and didn't it say they owned a plane or two? When I saw that. I figured that was why she sold the Gov's plane, so she could use her own and be paid by the state for it'a upkeep, etc. Another boondoggle she could pocket, not unlike the per diems.

So which is true?

Those people are scary and ugly. And it's going to get worse. Everyone needs to volunteer for the campaign and down ticket races. And if you can vote early and offer to go to inner city polling places, or near college campuses on election day. We know that's where the highjinks will most likely happen.

Take back the country people. Or as Prup, Jim Beeton would say "we are Obama's surrogates." And we have to do our utmost that we have a fair,legal election.

Posted by: Dee Loralei on October 9, 2008 at 6:20 PM | PERMALINK

I made the mistake of visiting the American Center for Sarah Palin Inspriational [sic] Limericks blog. Wow! I can't remember the last time I read so many poorly written limericks.

In all immodesty, if you want to read political limericks that actually rhyme and scan, please stop by my Political Madness Blog.

Posted by: Mad Kane on October 9, 2008 at 6:21 PM | PERMALINK

How's it hanging, Tom Nicholson?

Posted by: fumphis on October 9, 2008 at 6:21 PM | PERMALINK

Crashing world economy, two bungled wars, messed up Constitution and quality of government, loss of environmental protection, corruption, etc. ad nauseum. This is the legacy bequeathed by BushCo and friends.

A probably Republican neighbor was saying yesterday, how we had a surplus before. Things weren't all perfect but humming along, getting by, the future looked better and better for the most part. And now ...

There were mistakes made all around but "Bushism" was mostly to blame (and BTW he pushed the home-ownership thing too.)

Posted by: Neil B on October 9, 2008 at 6:27 PM | PERMALINK

I just saw on CNN that ACORN is being accused of voter registration fraud. They really did not provide any evidence. My first interation with ACORN was working with the organization to gut homes in post Katrina New Orleans.

This looks to me like a pre-emptive strike to deny voters their franchise rights. I'd like to see "fair and balanced" reporting on Republican attempts to suppress voter turn-out in minority communities.

Posted by: Winkandanod on October 9, 2008 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK

About Oliver Clark the voter at the debate, there is a link to MSNBC first read that has his whole facebook write up. great read! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/09/1523335.aspx
Concerning what we need to do about the economy , there is
another good article is off CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/eichengreen.depression/index.html
And last but not least, from the Huffington Post something to bring confidence to America that electing an intellegent president is what is best---http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/eichengreen.depression/index.html

[Please embed your links. Thanks, --Mod]

Posted by: Barb on October 9, 2008 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK

PS: What's the best professional critique of McCain's mortgage plan? I don't mean the worst take, I mean the most intelligent (which might be negative.)

Posted by: Neil B on October 9, 2008 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK

The man who was outraged, that told McCain: "We are in shock that you are not ahead":

This was clearly code for:

"How could you be losing by a black man?" We won't have that!!

Anyone who has studied how the leap goes from bias to prejudice to bigotry to hate crimes and then violence knows this is a classic step in how the mind allows this leap to happen.

"How could you be losing to a Black Man?"

This is a pivotal signal for a call to violence.

Posted by: iseerussiafrommyhouse on October 9, 2008 at 6:35 PM | PERMALINK

I'd like to see "fair and balanced" reporting on Republican attempts to suppress voter turn-out in minority communities.

Google: Mark Jacoby and his company, the Young Political Majors (YPM)

Posted by: on October 9, 2008 at 6:35 PM | PERMALINK

WTF are these people so mad about? They act like they've been out of power and it hasn't been their own boys wielding the sledgehammer again America with their own approving support. You'd think their rage is a ginned-up attempt to avoid facing their own culpability in...right. Never mind.

Posted by: shortstop on October 9, 2008 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK

The paranoid right wing has always been a bunch of fanatic lunatics whether they're in Pennsylvania, Ohio or Arizona. They completely predictable, and haven't changed in over 50 years. And that bunch going to a McShame rally in Bethlehem Pa, is typical.

They aren't so much residents of Dumbfuckistan, i.e, ignorant, as they are ideologues and bigots unable to even consider another point of view. They are intolerant at best, fascist at worst, and definitely a lost cause. Unfortunately, there are far too many of them in this country. You will find them at all McShame rallies, and that makes them easy pickins' for the TV cameras.

Posted by: rich on October 9, 2008 at 6:41 PM | PERMALINK

No time for love, Dr. Jones. Gotta keep putting them down and keeping them down through Nov. 4 and beyond.

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Satire and scorn, two great tastes that taste great together.

dk

Posted by: dk on October 9, 2008 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK

mcsame is on w/ charlie gibson right now repeating the b.s. that obama "launched his political career in (ayers') living room."
i keep waiting for someone/anyone to ask, "senator, how many living rooms were you in the first time you were running for office? are you willing to vouch for all the owners of those living rooms?"

Posted by: mellowjohn on October 9, 2008 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK

Watching those videos... you have to know that the Secret Service is really going to have to be on their toes protecting Obama. There are enough nutcases out there and McCain-Palin shouldn't be doing and saying things to stir them up. They are creating a monster.

Posted by: tomeck on October 9, 2008 at 6:44 PM | PERMALINK

I just saw on CNN that ACORN is being accused of voter registration fraud. They really did not provide any evidence. . . This looks to me like a pre-emptive strike to deny voters their franchise rights. Posted by: Winkandanod

The suit in Nevada was brought by a Democratic attorney general.

Posted by: Jeff II on October 9, 2008 at 6:44 PM | PERMALINK

I listened to a few hours of right-wing radio today-- Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Hannity, etc.-- and they spent all day talking about (mostly) 2 things:

1) How the MSM is using a few isolated comments at McCain/Palin rallies to disparage their totally peace-loving events. No Obama hatred at all, they're all sweetness and light. Limbaugh actually referred to Palin as an "angel sent down from on high."

2) ACORN and their belief in widespread voter fraud happening in every state. Suddenly they're talking about ACORN like it's a household name.

Ultimately they are preparing themselves to believe that if Obama wins it's because the election was completely and totally stolen-- it just doesn't compute that Americans would elect a socialist/terrorist-loving black man named Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

They really don't like McCain-- Limbaugh calls him "yosemite sam" but they do LOVE LOVE LOVE Palin. Since they are so convinced that Obama is a super-duper liberal they hate him as well because Limbaugh, Hannity, O'reilly, Beck, etc. have all been talking for YEARS about HATING liberals is the only patriotic way to be a "real" American.

I don't doubt that if Obama wins there will be hate crimes against Obama supporters.

Posted by: zoe kentucky from pittsburgh on October 9, 2008 at 6:44 PM | PERMALINK

I just called McCain/Palin campaign number 1-703-418-2008. Left a message in the general mailbox saying "there are so many real issues, why is the campaign focusing on this made-up Ayers issue?" Give it a try - it will make you feel better!
Posted by: oneCTvoter on October 9, 2008 at 6:19 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks! I did, and it does.

Posted by: In what respect, Charlie? on October 9, 2008 at 6:53 PM | PERMALINK

I am so glad that I invented the Internet.

Posted by: M2 on October 9, 2008 at 6:53 PM | PERMALINK

* The Lee Country sheriff who ...

A small request: can people stop doing this in blogs and websites with a national scope? "Lee County" means nothing to me, and even a Floridian can't be sure that the story refers to the Lee County in that state.

All I'm asking is that you (and everyone else) put the state in parentheses after the county name, like: "Lee County (FL)".

Posted by: anonymous37 on October 9, 2008 at 6:53 PM | PERMALINK

I thought the squeaky voiced, bald headed cop who used Sen. Obama's middle name at the Palin rally was named Lee. I was wrong.

Posted by: Brojo on October 9, 2008 at 6:54 PM | PERMALINK

I thought the squeaky voiced, bald headed cop who used Sen. Obama's middle name at the Palin rally was named Lee. I was wrong.

Apology accepted.

Posted by: anonymous37 on October 9, 2008 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK

If Obama does win, as looks increasingly probable, expect beefed up Secret Service activity and FBI investigations of people making threats. Incitement to violence is a crime, an exception to the 1st Amendment. Some of these folks might think about that. Civil liberties must be respected, but the shoe will be on the other foot come January 20, and some of these folks may be surprised how that works.

Posted by: Mimikatz on October 9, 2008 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK

By trying to pummel Sen. Obama with ties to a terrorist of over 40 years ago, raises two questions: If there is something real to this attack linking Mr. Ayers to Sen. Obama, doesn't that make the Illinois Republican Party stupid for not making a connection prior to the 2004 election. Secondly, doesn't this tell us that Mr.Ayers' current employer is harboring an unsavory individual!!!

Posted by: Ted76 on October 9, 2008 at 6:57 PM | PERMALINK

Oh my. Post du jour de TPM: How long to the N-Word

A lot of my fellow commenters here beat Josh to the punch on that one. Take a bow. I wasn't one of you.

However... I did argue a year ago that Barack's candidacy would expose to light the racist element within both parties. And that that was a good thing. Why? To crush cockroaches you've got to coax them out of hiding. The marketplace will not tolerate racism. It can't afford to. We are truly at a transcendental moment in the history of the Republic...

Cheers everyone. Go deep. Eyes on the prize please:

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/semmatch?match_campaign_id=4

Posted by: koreyel on October 9, 2008 at 7:06 PM | PERMALINK

Palin's rallies remind me of seeing a Nazi rally with her in the role as a female Hitler. The way the crazed mob chants and sing-songs her name over and over again -- Sarah, Sarah, Sarah! In a very dazed, fevered and crazed way, almost like being hypnotized! A crowd who would do anything for her, maybe even Kill for her!

Yet this is the very same Palin who is so illiterate that she is unable to go on Meet the Press, like every other vice presidential candidate who has gone before her. Palin a/k/a Hitler, who could be a heart-beat away! Scary...dangerous, scary!

Posted by: Angellight on October 9, 2008 at 7:22 PM | PERMALINK

Holyshit, holyshit, holyshit.
Now we know where most of that 43% voting for McCain comes from. Those people obviously spend waaaaayyy too much time listening to Rush and Fox News. I know quite a few intelligent conservatives who simply prefer a limited approach to government, but those people are posting a combined IQ in the low 70's.
The Christian Righs' fascist movement has left a great big shit stained mark across this country.

Posted by: Jim on October 9, 2008 at 7:30 PM | PERMALINK

McCain and his followers are out of touch. When you put a mob of unintelligent supporters in the same room and rile them up there is bound to be trouble...

has anyone seen the video where john refers to americans as "my fellow prisoners"...

http://www.internetisfun.com/item.php?ownerid=8&playid=5544

Posted by: JJW on October 9, 2008 at 7:30 PM | PERMALINK

McCain and his followers are out of touch. When you put a mob of unintelligent supporters in the same room and rile them up there is bound to be trouble...

has anyone seen the video where john refers to americans as "my fellow prisoners"...

http://www.internetisfun.com/item.php?ownerid=8&playid=5544

Posted by: JJW on October 9, 2008 at 7:30 PM | PERMALINK

Lee County (FL), USA, North America, Planet Earth, Solar System, Milky Way Galaxy, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster, Observable Known Universe

Posted by: on October 9, 2008 at 7:33 PM | PERMALINK

Limbaugh actually referred to Palin as an "angel sent down from on high."

She's not going to fuck you, Rush. She's stupid and she's desperate and she'll do almost anything for power, but she's not an underage Dominican who has to put up with your Viagra-fueled fat ass in order to eat.

Posted by: not this time on October 9, 2008 at 7:36 PM | PERMALINK

Deeply disturbing, those videos, Steve.

The worse things get, the more these rabid lunatics point to the liberals as the root of their misery. And note how we're morphing into villains even more evil than the simple commies we used to be - we're terrorists now, too.

This is one sick country. And the rich are taking it for everything they can get before it collapses. I don't think for one second that the motive behind the $700 billion bailout was anything more than looting the Treasury before the Democrats take over.

Posted by: hark on October 9, 2008 at 7:39 PM | PERMALINK

On another front entirely ... When I try to load your site in FireFox 3.0, I get immediately redirected to Blogads.com. To actually read your posts, I have to hit Stop just as the page loads; things then work normally (I can scroll, comment, as here, etc.). Any ideas? Anyone else having problems?

Yes, I've closed and re-launched the browser, etc. And this is new behavior; it didn't happen yesterday.

Thanks.

Posted by: Jeff Davis on October 9, 2008 at 7:40 PM | PERMALINK

The Troopergate story will be a lot bigger than you realize, especially if the Wilkins matter is a main part of it, since this is simple extortion and corruption on a level that will either force Palin off the ticket or let Obama pretty much run the table.

It will give some decent writer a chance to pull all the parts of the Palin story together -- and there are so many. Let's just list a few:

Running for Mayor against John Stein (a Lutheran despite his "Jewish-sounding" name -- and her first political mentor) as "the first Christian Mayor of Wasilla. (And there is a LOT more to this story -- Google "Palin Stein Christian Mayor")

The book-banning story

The hockey rink and the raise in taxes and the mismanagement that cost the town a million dollars to fix

The unnecessary, duplicative 'dispatch center she got an earmark for because she didn't want to share one with a rival town

The hiring of a lobbyist for Wasilla and the debt she left.

The firing of the first police chief -- and the suit it engendered

The 'victim pays for the rape kit' story (confirmed by contemporaneous newspaper reports and never debunked)

Her office redecoration -- using public funds -- as Mayor

Her hiring of unqualified cronies

Her "Bridge to Nowhere" lies

Her tanning bed

The Muthee story -- not just the 'witch hunter' part but the anti-American rant that begins it about needing only 'true Christians in office, schools, and banks' -- and the anti-Semitic comments about Israelites.

The AIP connections, both of Todd and herself

Just as a starter.

(I have hundreds of reasons to oppose McCain, but maybe the single strongest is the fear of the words "President Sarah Palin." We might survive 4 years of McCain, barely, but not the succession by Palin.)

So yes, and thanks for the hat-tip (It's BENton, the BEE is in my bonnet about Palin)

We are Obama's surrogates Let's start asking everyone, once the Branchflower Report gives us a pivot, whether we can risk those three words.

Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on October 9, 2008 at 7:41 PM | PERMALINK

Gotta love the 'religious' party, the 'moral' party, the 'values' party, with all their hate speech, epithets, fraud and embezzlement, and threats to kill people. Yep, true (Anti)Christians, through and through. Drowning in their own hypocrisy. Their high and mighty moralistic rantings mean nothing. They can't even live out simple, basic Christian rules such as 'Do unto others', 'Love thy neighbor' or 'Thou shalt not kill'. So "go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, you can justify it in the end." I have been told that there is a place that awaits people like you. It is the never-ending rank hypocrisy that continues to amaze me.

Posted by: In what respect, Charlie? on October 9, 2008 at 7:42 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, we knew they would get to this. And it'll only get worse after the election. I mean, if the stock market keeps tanking, all hell could break lose. Let's not forget, these types usually tote guns. Plus, this is a huge network of lunatics. Eric Rudolph was able to evade the law for so long because he was supported by that network. I'd like to think we could contain it, but still, I'm afraid that rage will spill over into some unimaginably horrid scene.

So I'm spooked.

Posted by: on October 9, 2008 at 7:47 PM | PERMALINK

Actually (see a few comments up, when I try to load the site I get redirected here:

http://www.adxtn.com/?dn=wmonthly.cache.blogads.com&flrdr=yes&nxte=js&prvtof=8b2VkUqfXDCVzkFctBxiNW4wL5XxgEwq1XMezil863Ks" rel="nofollow

Most odd. I'd welcome any insights - or even wild guesses!

Posted by: Jeff Davis on October 9, 2008 at 7:51 PM | PERMALINK

Cindy McCain sounded age 4 when she suggested Obama 'change shoes with me for just one day'--and she looked so rigid and made up like a character from Stepford Wives...

And her point was absolutely stupid--did anyone catch that...So let's go with that, Cindy--

So then if Obama went and saw all the men all pumped up, all ready to go, what does that mean anyway?

That war is good? That we should keep killing and spending millions because the boys want to fight?

What insanity.

Posted by: iseerussiafrommyhouse on October 9, 2008 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

I'm surprised more isn't being made about who really stood in McCain's way to keep Lieberman or Ridge etc, being picked VP. We forget in all the pro and anti Palinanity that she wasn't McCain's first choice (and so his judgment is less to blame than it first seems), those first were stopped by Big Somebodies. We can be sure it was social conservative types, but I meant: literally who, personally, got in the way? Who has written of it, who has the goods?

Posted by: Neil B on October 9, 2008 at 8:06 PM | PERMALINK

All I'm asking is that you (and everyone else) put the state in parentheses after the county name, like: "Lee County (FL)".

Lee County (FL), USA, North America, Planet Earth, Solar System, Milky Way Galaxy, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster, Observable Known Universe

Or that -- that's even better. I get confused myself sometimes when I leave the observable known universe.

Posted by: anonymous37 on October 9, 2008 at 8:07 PM | PERMALINK

For those who dare, some names and dates to google:
october 14, 2008 federation of light;
http://www.matthewbooks.com/mattsmessage.htm The Matthew Messages
Gail Minogue: Numerology of presidential candidates
Many on this site seem to be skeptics about spiritual topics. I challenge you to take a look at this information and see if any of it resonates with what is going on now. The old answers do not seem to apply, so why not try something completely out of the box.
I am committed to Oneness through Justice and Transformation
peace,
st john

Posted by: st john on October 9, 2008 at 8:07 PM | PERMALINK

Heh, McCain-Palin need to get out that "squeal like a pig" vote to win this time ... It sounds like they're getting close, but I don't think there's enuff ovem.

Posted by: delver on October 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM | PERMALINK

From the New York Times - Troopergate getting hotter?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/10trooper.html?pagewanted=3&_r=1&hp

Posted by: Wade on October 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM | PERMALINK

it will make you feel better!

I just donated more to his campaign. That made me feel better.

Watching those videos all I could hear was Rush Limbaugh. Sick.

Posted by: e henry Thripshaw on October 9, 2008 at 8:13 PM | PERMALINK

But, seriously, what the McCain camp is doing now is dangerous. Those people are completely out of touch with reality, and it's not a good idea to whip them into a frenzy. Somebody could get hurt.

This is really frightening. And repulsive.

Posted by: cmac on October 9, 2008 at 8:25 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, the Dow may have needed to drop this low or lower before the bear market bottoms out.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on October 9, 2008 at 8:40 PM | PERMALINK

To St. John

Please know that what is said about right wing Christian fundamentalism is not an attack on Christianity or on spirituality. While their concerns overlap in some areas, earnest Christians and those on the right could not be further apart.

Posted by: Jim on October 9, 2008 at 8:41 PM | PERMALINK

Charles Keating once told McCain, in writing, "I'm yours till death do us part."

Mr. Keating was clearly not aware of the Senator's past difficulties with returning the favor.

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on October 9, 2008 at 8:42 PM | PERMALINK

Calling all Rachel Maddow fans! Rachel is a guest tonight on the NBC Tonight Show with Jay Leno. :-)

Posted by: iseerussiafrommyhouse on October 9, 2008 at 9:02 PM | PERMALINK

Petraeus: "I do think you have to talk to enemies."

Anybody got Vegas odds on when "General Betrayus" will gush forth from the right side of the Blogosphere?

Posted by: koreyel on October 9, 2008 at 9:09 PM | PERMALINK

* McCain-Palin fanatics are getting really scary.

* No, really, I mean it. These folks are stark raving mad.

* You think I'm kidding, but seriously, these folks have lost it.

Once Obama takes office, maybe they'll all move to Alaska and secede from the Union. Then we could adopt Puerto Rico as the 50th state, thus increasing the social quality, work ethos, value of education, family, and neighbor--- and see an immediate jump in the overall IQ of the Republic by about 15 points.

As for those sidewalk-to-nowhere pigs going to see McCain in Bethlehem, they look really familiar---just like the al-Jazeera films of Palestinians dancing in the streets and cheering madly when the Twin Towers fell.

And they've the gall to call Obama a terrorist? This thing has "Wiemar's death-rattle" written all over it---all that was missing were the torches, brownshirts, and swastikas.

Posted by: Steve W. on October 9, 2008 at 9:34 PM | PERMALINK

The 'bee' is still buzzing. I didn't even discuss the objectionable positions she has taken, particularly in 'family-related' issues.

Her refusal to commit to a position -- in the infamous Eagle Forum questionaire -- on length of compulsory schooling (and, btw, the AIP opposes compulsory schooling)

Her 'no exceptions at any time' anti-choice position. (She's a member of "Feminists for Life" but one of their planks, which she has not, to my knowledge, is opposition to the death penalty as well)

Her support for 'abstinence-only sex education.' (In her own home, apparently, judging by the results, typical in abstinence-only districts)

Her total lack of a leading position against violence against women and rape (two things Alaska leads the nation in, and has for 23 of the past 30 years).

Her choice of a sports arena (that is still losing money) over museum funding

(And one other point. Palin, despite being married to a "Native Alaskan" -- as is Monegan, btw -- has a wretched record on their issues. But one candidate has a full page of proposals on "Native Alaskan" issues -- separate from his equally detailed discussion of "Native American" issues. Nope, not, John McCain but "That One." Yes, even though he's never been to Alaska, has little chance of winning the state, and didn't before Her Excellency was named VP, he cared enough to develop programs for this least noticed of minorities.)

Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on October 9, 2008 at 9:54 PM | PERMALINK

Not in Steve's list but worthy of note: ARG now polls W. Va. Obama 50, McCain 42.

I'm not a poll junkie and have no opinion as to ARG's reliability. Still... West Virginia. Wow.

Posted by: DrBB on October 9, 2008 at 10:18 PM | PERMALINK

* McCain-Palin fanatics are getting really scary.

If the MSM had been doing their job since the 80s, strongly discrediting all maniacs on talk radio,right wing pulpits, FOX, etc., exposing them for what they are, we wouldn't have anywhere near as many zealots as we have now. With their silence, the MSM gave the heirs to Joe McCarthy, Posse Commitatus, and the John Birch Society legitimacy.

Posted by: Michael7843853 on October 9, 2008 at 10:20 PM | PERMALINK

This, hot and steaming from Drudge, is what the new October putdown will be:
WASH TIMES Friday: Obama secretly tried to sway Iraqi government to ignore Bush deal on keeping troops in Iraq... Developing...

Posted by: Neil B on October 9, 2008 at 10:21 PM | PERMALINK

Old, Grizzled Third-Party Candidate May Steal Support From McCain:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/old_grizzled_third_party

Posted by: Lee A. Arnold on October 9, 2008 at 10:22 PM | PERMALINK

Re the evolving character of McFlailin/McFailin campaign events, I think the following kinda sums it all up:

I would send out for assistance but there's someone on the signal wire
And the corporation logo is flashing on and off in the sky
They're putting all your names in the forbidden book
I know what they're doing but I don't want to look

You think they're so dumb, you think they're so funny
Wait until they've got you running to the
Night rally, night rally, night rally

Everybody's singing with their hand on their heart
About deeds done in the darkest hours
That's just the sort of catchy little melody
To get you singing in the showers

Oh, I know that I'm ungrateful
I've got it lying on a plate
And I'm not buying my share of souvenirs
You can stand to attention
You can pray to your uncle
Only get that chicken out of here
Everyone gets armbands and 3-D glasses
Some are in the back room
And they're taking those night classes

You think they're so dumb, you think they're so funny
Wait until they've got you running to the
Night rally, night rally, night rally

Posted by: DrBB on October 9, 2008 at 10:29 PM | PERMALINK

Dr. BB:
What is so surprising about WV going for Obama -- which, if I may toot my own horn, I've been predicting since April? They haven't elected a Republican Senator since 1942, they haven't had a majority of Republican Representatives since 1948, they've only re-elected two Republican representatives since 1968 (Arch Moore and Shirley Capito) and they've never replaced one Republican with another in my long lifetime.

I've never seen them as even a toss-up, despite their Presidential record, and this time the economy is particularly a sore point for one of the poorest states in the Union.

Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on October 9, 2008 at 10:45 PM | PERMALINK

one minor good thing that may come out of all this: a lot of the McCain crazies seem to have formed a lousy opinion of ACORN. Well, here in NYC, a lot of us have a lousy opinion of ACORN because the NYC branch has allowed itself to be bought by Bruce Ratner who's developing the Atlantic Yards monstrosity in Brooklyn and now they are mostly just worthless shills for one of NYC's most corrupt developers and I would love to see them go down.

Then again, if the McCain actually knew that about ACORN they'd probably start liking the group.....

Posted by: Diana on October 9, 2008 at 10:53 PM | PERMALINK

WASH TIMES Friday: Obama secretly tried to sway Iraqi government to ignore Bush deal on keeping troops in Iraq... Developing...

Uh, wasn't that debunked a couple of months ago by Republican Senators who were on the trip with Obama?

I guess if they're going to recycle the Ayers and Wright stories and pretend they're new, they're going to dig up all of the debunked stories.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on October 10, 2008 at 12:21 AM | PERMALINK

The Annenberg initiative where Obama and Ayers both worked was funded by bigtime McCain supporter Eleonore Annenberg.
I guess that makes McCain and Obama both terrorist supporters by association. This was an EDUCATIONAL foundation set up by an ambassador that was appointed by Ronald Reagan. Sounds like the Republicans have some strong terrorist ties here!

And let's not forget Charles Keating. "Today, John McCain is the only major party presidential nominee in US history to have been rebuked, censured or otherwise admonished after a Congressional ethics investigation. The criminal conduct cost US taxpayers more than $120 billion.

The Keating scandal is eerily similar to today's credit crisis, where a lack of regulation and cozy relationships between the financial industry and Congress has allowed banks to make risky loans and profit by bending the rules. And in both cases, John McCain's judgment and values have placed him on the wrong side of history." McCain associating with criminals! Poor, poor judgment Mr. McShame.

Posted by: In what respect, Charlie? on October 10, 2008 at 12:57 AM | PERMALINK

These stories and the discussion is so amazingly weird that it makes me want to step back and wonder if it's all just a stage play I walked in on. Remember that t.v. show entitled something like, Thank God You're Here? A guest comes on the show not knowing what the skits are going to be. They walk through a door and right into a little comedic skit. Somebody yells at them Thank God You're Here and away they go with no script. It's always something very strange and sometimes funny.

That's what the McCain thing looks like and it might be what Sarah Palin is feeling about now.

Is it real or a really really big joke skit? It's getting hard to tell the real thing from SNL as time goes by. Couldn't we just substitute Tina Fey for Sarah Palin and turn the awful speeches & audience responses into something funny and benign?

What is becoming of our country?

Posted by: MarkH on October 10, 2008 at 1:06 AM | PERMALINK

Only the sickest closed minded ignorant uninformed bigots are following McCain/Palin now. You are looking at the 27% that supported thye wrecking of America. Who used to yell out "America...love it or leave it" & "America...right or wrong"...Instead of get a job it was get a haircut. The most ignorant and stupidly opinionated people in America, the easiest for McCain to rabble rouse and he thinks they are a majority and so do they. Incapable of thinking for themselves and only allow information in that agrees with their already formed prejudice and bias. They don't learn, they don't grow, and they don't help anyone but themselves. The GOP asylum people who close their mind to discussion. The sickest in the nation. the McCain/Palin shame of exploitation. They deserve no respect.

Posted by: bjobotts on October 10, 2008 at 3:05 AM | PERMALINK

Those videos...oh...my...god!

Posted by: chrenson on October 10, 2008 at 5:35 AM | PERMALINK

You are looking at the 27% that supported thye wrecking of America. Who used to yell out "America...love it or leave it" & "America...right or wrong"...Instead of get a job it was get a haircut.

The irony of yelling "Get a job!" in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania was apparently lost on these folks. And they looked like such sharp customers, too.

Posted by: shortstop on October 10, 2008 at 8:16 AM | PERMALINK

Posted by: DrBB

Nice touch bringing in Elvis DrBB. Since "Night Rally" didn't appear on the original U.S. vinyl, I bet a lot of people still aren't familiar with the song.

Posted by: Jeff II on October 10, 2008 at 10:50 AM | PERMALINK

Since "Night Rally" didn't appear on the original U.S. vinyl

Of what album? I had it on the 1978 This Year's Model. It was given to me about five years later but was the original issue.

Posted by: shortstop on October 10, 2008 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

Of what album? I had it on the 1978 This Year's Model. It was given to me about five years later but was the original issue. Posted by: shortstop

If you got it with "Night Rally," it was either an import or the later U.S. version. The original U.S. issue did not include "Night Rally" or ("I Don't Want to Go to) Chelsea."


Tracks:

1. Side 1: No Action [1:57]
2. This Year's Girl [3:16]
3. The Beat [3:42]
4. Pump It Up [3:12]
5. Little Triggers [2:38]
6. You Belong To Me [2:19]
7. Watching The Detectives --- only included on Belgian, French, German, Swedish & Argentinian releases

8. Side 2: Hand In Hand [2:30]
9. (I Don't Want To Go To) Chelsea [3:06] --- not included on US release
10. Lip Service [2:34]
11. Living In Paradise [3:51]
12. Lipstick Vogue [3:29]
13. Night Rally [2:40] --- not included on US release
14. Radio Radio --- not included on UK release

http://www.elviscostello.info/disc/official/tym/tym_info_a01.htm

Posted by: Jeff II on October 10, 2008 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

Correction on attribution of quote cited above:

"The opposite of love is not hate, but rather indifference"

is attributed to Elie Wiesel, Holocaust survivor and Nobel Peace Price Winner (not Frankl)

Posted by: iseerussiafromyhouse on October 10, 2008 at 11:25 AM | PERMALINK

Had to be an import, then. Huh.

Posted by: shortstop on October 10, 2008 at 11:27 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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