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October 11, 2008

A HISTORIC TICKET.... Now that Sarah Palin has been found to have abused her powers, violated state ethics, and lied about it, I did a little digging and found an interesting historical footnote.

The McCain/Palin ticket is the first in American history in which both candidates were found to have violated ethics standards before a national election.

McCain, of course, was admonished by Senate Ethics Committee "for exercising 'poor judgment' for intervening" with federal regulators on behalf of Charles Keating, as part of the infamous Keating Five scandal.

And now McCain's running mate has also been found to have violated state ethics laws and abused the powers of her office, as part of the "Troopergate" scandal.

The nation has had 102 major-party tickets covering 51 presidential elections over more than two centuries. And we've never had a ticket in which both candidates on the same ticket were responsible for ethics violations before a national election. McCain/Palin is the first.

It makes the whole "reform" pitch a little more difficult, doesn't it?

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It's an innocent typo. They intend to deform Washington.

Posted by: JoeW on October 11, 2008 at 8:48 AM | PERMALINK

They're just legal deregulators.

Posted by: Former Dan on October 11, 2008 at 9:06 AM | PERMALINK

Sometimes you have to understand the problem in order to change it. McCain and Palin are not insiders! They are contrite understanders, past abusers, disabusing the system of abuse. If you thought the last 8 years was Orwellian, you ain't seen nothing yet if McCain is successful.

These times are getting almost too surrealistic to live in. Like being trapped in an endless Far Side cartoon. Even the conservatives are getting mugged by reality. Hell they don't know which way to turn or what to call themselves next.

Posted by: lou on October 11, 2008 at 9:09 AM | PERMALINK

It makes the whole "reform" pitch a little more difficult, doesn't it?

JoeW kinda-sorta beat me to it, but I was thinking more along the lines of "reverse evolution"---which should really make the denizens of Sub-Primal WingNuttia start foaming at the jowls. As they devolve beyond a certain point, we'd at least have a healthy supply of bipedal lab-experiment animals---and the potential for the exotic-pets market alone might be enough to revive the global economy.

Think of it as "the up-side to Planet of the Apes...."

Posted by: Steve W. on October 11, 2008 at 9:16 AM | PERMALINK

Sarah Palin in her own defence:
[begin-fiction]

You may have heard about a certain official that I dismissed in Alaska that was not a nice trooper we had disagreements and some people thought I pressured him over it but we had a disagreement over the budgets it wasn't that trooper if you look at it from the outside you might think so, but I sold their airplane some people are sensitive but you have to stand up and do the right thing sometimes and I will do that as your President if anything bad happens.
[end-fiction]

Who could argue with that?

Posted by: Jassalasca Jape on October 11, 2008 at 9:18 AM | PERMALINK

She wasn't using it, so she sold her credibility on eBay.

Posted by: lampwick on October 11, 2008 at 9:29 AM | PERMALINK

The nation has had 102 major-party tickets covering 51 presidential elections over more than two centuries. And we've never had a ticket in which both candidates on the same ticket were responsible for ethics violations before a national election. McCain/Palin is the first.

For Republican loyalists, this is what's known as a "feature, not a bug".

Posted by: Jennifer on October 11, 2008 at 9:35 AM | PERMALINK

Steve Benen,

how do you know this? Do we have a good database for ethics violations going back two centuries?

Stefan

Posted by: stefan on October 11, 2008 at 9:40 AM | PERMALINK

Being accused of ethics violations is all part of being a maverick, by taking shots from your own party as well as from the other party. That's how you know that McCain-Palin (Palin-McCain) won't be beholden to those special interests in Washington.

See how easy it is to be a spin-meister?

Posted by: Jeff S. on October 11, 2008 at 9:40 AM | PERMALINK
Posted by: Lisa on October 11, 2008 at 9:43 AM | PERMALINK

And it doesn't matter one bit to the rethug faithful

Posted by: klyde on October 11, 2008 at 9:44 AM | PERMALINK

An interesting point about the “At Will” culture in our society, here, we the people elect officials that need a commission or a panel to determine if one should be removed from office for misjudgment, or personal bias as in Sarah Palin’s case.

Here, it appears an obvious personal family preference involving a huge serious basic in social order, the qualitative and quantitative mix of personal friendships that are spiritually and psychologically built, or actual legal binding social contracts as marriage dedicated at one time from love relations then perhaps condemned at another. All for simple reasons that are hate related.

This is of what some would consider an oxymoron situation of current politics. Much of this nature as it grows, develops, if triggered many times turns into a simple property as expressed, swaying in as just ethics violations but not against the law, gives rise to extreme physiological mental properties, that include division that slide into serious confusion or a diminished mental perception.

Some could identify with this breach in public trust as proliferate in a way in our politics is approaching life. Here, one could suggest the right to life has been totally breached, here we are way beyond conception, still an individual having serious rights to life, can be banished “At Will”?

All that said is something historians leave out of the analysis. Looking at our current state of affairs, one can conclude individuals get so wrapped up they commit their souls and every fiber of their being to promote what might very well be a social dysfunction called hate. America’s greatest example is expressed daily on hate radio 24x7; we wonder why the Republican Party parades around spewing terrorist, treason, or kill the opponent.

Or admittedly even I also do it, and for my defense these hate mongers encourage me to hate. As we all can see FOX news is an Arab supported network working in this fashion. But now I realize two social issues surface prominently, one called political gridlock, and the other is not to talk to the enemy.

Arab Wahabbi are excellent rhetorical warriors in this stuff, here America is not only in a proxy ground war for Arab Wahabbi benefit via George Bush. These skilled political fanatics use the blood and resources of our troops and what is called a resilient money structure in America. They have centuries of experience at it which alludes to the extended misery America is engaged with in the Middle East. The real war is economic, we all know now, and it is a huge mystery with a huge fears worse than any explosive terrorism, no here a quite physiological fear. A silent economic distrust were one can win in a war without firing a shot.

The Arabs are in this economic melt down big time just not talked about. Well it should be.

Posted by: Megalomania on October 11, 2008 at 9:58 AM | PERMALINK

Stefan: There are these things called books. And libraries.

Posted by: Elf M. Sternberg on October 11, 2008 at 10:00 AM | PERMALINK

Steve,

I'm a bit disappointed by your assertion that
"(t)he McCain/Palin ticket is the first in American history in which both candidates were found to have violated ethics standards..."

I was a reporter for 25 years, learning both how to read and characterize documents such as this investigative report and the importance of not ascribing anything to them that is not explicit. As I understand the process, this Troopergate investigative report is not a final adjudication of the claims. Rather, I believe, it can fairly be compared to the law enforcement investigation of an alleged crime, with the veracity of the claims to be later determined and compared to laws which prohibit the actions that are believed to have been either illegal or unethical.

If I am wrong, I would be pleased to be shown how and why - because, believe me, it is utterly imperative that we elect Barack Obama president and I am deeply grateful for any occurence that makes that outcome more likely.

With all of that said, I do agree that the GOP has given us the first-ever Presidential/Vice Presidential slate with one member adjudicated guilty of a severe ethics violation and the other formally accused of a severe ethics/law violation.

Michael Dodson
Shawnee, Oklahoma

Posted by: Michael Dodson on October 11, 2008 at 10:02 AM | PERMALINK

Elf M. Sternberg,

I sort of doubt Benen has a good overview of all Presidential tickets in US history (including the losing sides) from reading individual book and then remembering all the facts on ethics violations in them.

Oh, I see you are just imitating Palin's "I read all newspapers" response.

So where did Benen find this information? The Economist?

Posted by: stefan on October 11, 2008 at 10:06 AM | PERMALINK

>"both candidates were found to have violated ethics standards before a national election."

Maybe that's what they really mean by 'Maverick'?

Posted by: Buford on October 11, 2008 at 10:49 AM | PERMALINK

Michael Dodson-very nice paragraph. What a bunch of semantic gobbly gook. Did you even bother to read the final report of the investigation. It seems your typical of todays reporters. Spout whatever bullshit you want but don't back it up with any actual investigating of your own.

Posted by: Gandalf on October 11, 2008 at 11:04 AM | PERMALINK

I looked at the key finding -
I find that, although Walt Monegan’s refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety. In spite of that, Governor Palin’s firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads.

"...likely a contributing factor.."???

Coupled witht the public statement of Monegan

“For the record, no one ever said fire Wooten. Not the governor. Not Todd. Not any of the other staff,” Monegan said Friday from Portland. “What they said directly was more along the lines of ‘This isn’t a person that we would want to be representing our state troopers.’”

This does not even rise to the level of “He said, She said”. Its more like judgment by “He thought, She thought”. Great standard for purely political prosecution guys. Keep it up.

Posted by: John Hansen on October 11, 2008 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK

A bit misleading, Steve, as Congress and state governments didn't have ethics commissions for the entire history of the Republic on a hill.

In more general terms, it's wrong anyway.

Both James. A. Garfield and Chet Arthur were under ethics clouds, over the Credit Mobilier and New York Port tariffs, respectively, in 1880.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on October 11, 2008 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

I think some very good points have been brought up here.

Jiff
www.privacy-center.ru.tc

Posted by: Jess Wilson on October 11, 2008 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

The McCain/Palin ticket is "historical" on several levels.

First POW/First Sow (with lipstick even.)

First pill popping, beer heiress, trophy wife/First Dude.

Oldest ever/Dumbest ever.

Fought for the U.S/Wants to secede from the U.S.

Air jockey dad/Hockey mom.

Joe 12 homes/Joe Six pack.

Maverick/Moose hunter

That's all I can think of, I invite others to come up with more.

Posted by: Winkandanod on October 11, 2008 at 12:00 PM | PERMALINK

The McCain/Palin ticket is "historical" on several levels.

First POW/First Sow (with lipstick even.)

First pill popping, beer heiress, trophy wife/First Dude.

Oldest ever/Dumbest ever.

Fought for the U.S/Wants to secede from the U.S.

Air jockey dad/Hockey mom.

Joe 12 homes/Joe Six pack.

Maverick/Moose hunter

That's all I can think of, I invite others to come up with more.

Posted by: Winkandanod on October 11, 2008 at 12:00 PM | PERMALINK

No doubt that is pretty historic.

www.privacy-center.ru.tc

Posted by: John collins on October 11, 2008 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

What legal action will be taken against Palin? That is what really matters to me. Is this an impeachable offense? Does a guilty verdict in court lead to jail time?

Posted by: JWK on October 11, 2008 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

gee, both mccain and palin have trouble with ethics. what a surprise!

Posted by: on October 11, 2008 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

Say it ain't so, Steve, there you go looking backward again ...

Posted by: Nick Nayme on October 11, 2008 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

So it would be like hiring a "reformed" hacker to guard your computer system? They can defend our freedoms because they know how to destroy them!

Posted by: Jenna on October 11, 2008 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder: have we ever had a Vice Presidential candidate with ties this strong to a secessionist movement?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Don't get me wrong - I don't actually think secession is immoral. I'm just wondering, what do you suppose would happen if Obama was found to have ties to such a group? What "vision of America as the greatest good" do you think that shows?

Just curious.

Posted by: Free Radical on October 11, 2008 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK

Isn't there an eerie parallel with Nixon trying to get Cox fired in 1972/73 and firing his AG etc when they would not do it?

Posted by: Alfred Black on October 11, 2008 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

Weird. Why not stop them from running? Nowhere on the internet do I find pro-McCain folks. Perhaps I look in the wrong places. I find Pro-Palin, but they are mostly foolish women or mysoginistic men.

Posted by: Steven on October 11, 2008 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINK

The report is to be turned over the Alaskan legislature for further review/action, a legislature with 34 Republican and 26 Democrats serving as of August 2008

Posted by: Momma for Barack on October 11, 2008 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

Love where you're going with this. But does the Alaska legislature have to vote on this or something before she's been "found guilty" of the ethics violation?

Posted by: Stephanie James on October 11, 2008 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

and NOW you all know what "mavericky" really is!

Ethics...Morals....nah, they didn't want those, they want to do it their own mavericky way.

Regulations...nah....those would hamper my mavericky way

Just the kind of people you want running the government.

Posted by: afisher on October 11, 2008 at 4:16 PM | PERMALINK

Whenever a Republican uses the word "reform," just substitute the word "destroy" in your mind. They reformed regulation, they reformed welfare, they're out to reform education and health care... see how that works?

Posted by: El Bruce on October 11, 2008 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

this iaughable. Liberals now suddemly get morals when for 8 years ethics violations is how this country was run under BJ Clinton. What is conveniently left out is that NO LAWS WERE BROKEN.

Barry is probably laughing at this, being a Chicago politician. He's probably thinking:"is that the best she can do? Hell, I got ACORN, domestic terrorists, and a boatload of money from Fannie Mae. And that's without even trying"

Posted by: Dave on October 11, 2008 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

You write: It makes the whole "reform" pitch a little more difficult, doesn't it?

The phrase you are looking for is "team of mavericks"!

Posted by: CMcC on October 11, 2008 at 4:26 PM | PERMALINK

I just cant understand the Obama folks and why they cant understand us Palin/McCain types. Its easy to understand. The insiders are really the outsiders, except for Biden, and the de-regulators are really the regulators, like John McCain. The small government, low deficit Conservatives found it necessary to become big government huge deficit Conservatives to preserve the idea of small government and low deficits by showing how bad for the economy they can be and therefore to run against them.
Now its necessary to expose the nefarious connections between Obama and terrorists even if they are not true because they might be true in an alternate universe. And when Obama defends himself its just more mud throwing and lowers the level of discourse in this nation which Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity have been working so hard to elevate.
Palin has made it clear she favors good government, less taxes, greater honesty and and end to the Democrat's practice of kitten burning and Satanic Worship!

God Bless America!

Yup she's my gal!! Dont cha git it?

Posted by: Joe6Pak on October 11, 2008 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

Bush Cheney were the first candidates to have police arrest records.

Posted by: harold on October 11, 2008 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

You all just keep on drinking that liberal Kool-Aide. Obama is not who he says he is.

Google this video on You-Tube: I invented the Internet (Ep. 6: October Surprise)

See Obamacrimes.com

Posted by: swimkin on October 11, 2008 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK

The McCain camp claims that their motivation behind attacking Obama has been to question his character, integrity, judgement, and leadership potential.

Well, if you examine the conduct of both candidates during the past month, there is no question about who has shown the character, integrity, judgement, and leadership potential necessary to restore our nation's standing in the world, resurrect our economic vitality, fix the broken health care system, and motivate industry to shift from fossil fuel to non-polluting, renewable energy technologies.

Obama/Biden '08.

Posted by: labman57 on October 11, 2008 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK

As USUAL, the HATE MONGERING LYING SARAH PALIN continues her toxic diatribe blaming HER ABUSE OF POWER, intimidating and threatening subordinates under her administration for her JOE SIX PACK, LOW CLASS PERSONAL REASONS, on Barack Obama??!?!?!!

To see what having a typical JOE SIX PACK having the responsibility of LEADERSHIP take a view at OUR COUNTRY and the WORLD's FINANCES and STABILITY AND this USELESS CULTURE WAR IN IRAQ BLEEDING OUR HUMAN RESOURCES. HAVING a common, beer drinking, gun-toting fool leading this country for 8 years has plunged this nation into the worst, and most HORRIFYING FINANCIAL and WORLD MARKET CRISIS EVER KNOWN!!!!

MCCAIN and SARAH PALIN ARE
the DOMESTIC TERRORISTS
JOHN MCCAIN and SARAH PALIN have wreaked HATE MONGERING, and VIOLENT HATE SPEECHES and INEPT LEADERSHIP on the electorate. THEY ARE BOTH HAPPY TO FAN the RACIST FLAMES OF HATE BOILING IN THEIR RALLIES. NEITHER OF THEM ARE FIT TO SERVE THIS NATION.

Posted by: Frannie on October 11, 2008 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK

I sure hope the late-night comedians pick up on this. Excellent research! Pathetic situation. This report, along with many others relating to the presidential race, is featured on RealityChex.com at http://www.realitychex.com

Posted by: Marie Burns on October 11, 2008 at 5:46 PM | PERMALINK

This is long, but very important and worth the time to read it.


This election has me very worried. So many things to consider.


I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with. About six months ago, I started thinking--- "where did the money come from for Obama". I have four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans.


I started looking into Obama's life.


Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California. He is very open about his two years at Occidental; he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies.


"Barry" (that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan.


During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a "round the world" trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three weeks in Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family.


My question - Where did he get the money for this trip? Nether I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in college. When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York. It is at this time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry.


Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia? It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago? Why not New York? He was already living in New York.


By "chance" he met Antoin "Tony" Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria, and a real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year. Rezko, was named "Entrepreneur of the Decade" by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association".


About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School. Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where did he get the money for Law School? More student loans? After Law school, he went back to Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented "Rezar" which is Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago. In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with "seed money" for his U.S. Senate race.


In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get the money for the property? On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.


Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran. Do we see a pattern here? Or, am I going crazy?


On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was "sacked" after the press found out he was having regular contacts with "Hamas ", which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran. This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will "Take care of things".


Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in Pakistan? They are in charge of all those "small" Internet campaign contributions for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East?


And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on "This Week" with George Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, "My Muslim faith". When questioned, "he made a mistake". Some mistake!


All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.


Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, why haven't all of our "intelligent" members of the press been reporting this?


A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - "Beware of the enemy from within."

Posted by: chinky08 on October 11, 2008 at 6:17 PM | PERMALINK

This fits the republican party right now. A bunch of crooks trying to keep the nation divided.

I have an Obama/Biden sign in my yard. Last night someone tramped on it, but they didn't do a very good job and I was able to fix it.

Today I was trimming one of my trees out by the road, and a guy drove by, yelled "a**hole" at me, then flipped me off as he turned onto another street. So I got ticked off. I stood there screaming "come back! come back!", waving my hands at him to come back. It's stupid, but I really wanted to pound the guy.

Anyway, this is the republican party. Bitter, angry, full of hate... how does anyone still support these guys?

Posted by: Marc on October 11, 2008 at 6:18 PM | PERMALINK

The Palin choice is what prompted my final decision to not vote for McCain. He is a decent guy and a better-than-average Senator. With the right V.P., McCain had a good chance to be a great President as well.

The Palin choice was unforgivably stupid. It's incomprehensible that McCain passed up qualified Republican women (if having a woman on the ticket was important) like Hawaii's current governor, or recent Massachusetts governor, Jane Swift, for the unqualified, unprofessional train-wreck that is Sarah Palin.

I would hate to think that McCain used "the other head" in making this pick; but there doesn't seem to be a good reason why he passed up so many other good Republican choices for Palin. Ridiculous and sad.

Posted by: Fred on October 11, 2008 at 6:29 PM | PERMALINK

McCain currently under potential Senates Ethics Committee investigation for not reporting his gambling winnings on his annual financial disclosure forms. Claim filed 10/9/08 by CREW (Citizens Responsible for Ethics in Washington).

Articles on this and the pdf of the actual request is easy to find. Several news sources covered it (the Washington Independent. the Hill, NY Times, Washington Post, the Huffington Post.....)

Posted by: SharonAustinTX on October 11, 2008 at 6:31 PM | PERMALINK

Ahhaaa...
Just look at the republican trolls in this and other threads.
They really are reduced to only two things:

1. Bigotry.

2. Insane Conspiracy Theories.

This election is insane.

Posted by: HairlessMonkeyDK on October 11, 2008 at 6:34 PM | PERMALINK

chinky08-

While you're at it, you should ask where mccain got his money.

Oh yea, he married into it.

Not only that, but cindy mccains father is a convicted felon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hensley

And who funded mccains 1986campaign? You got it- jim hensley.

Posted by: Tbone on October 11, 2008 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK

More bigotry arises from a so-called Christian fundamentalist (Palin) who is shrill, vindictive and intolerant. And, now, her Alaskan administration is being run by her cronies and husband who has a conference room in which to help her run Alaska. Gawds, it doesn't get any better than this.

Posted by: on October 11, 2008 at 6:48 PM | PERMALINK

/geez, I'm just shaking my head....what the heck are we doing, how did we get to deserve these two..

Brilliant thought, nice story

Posted by: oldbum on October 11, 2008 at 7:21 PM | PERMALINK

Perhaps this explains the unethical use of the word 'terrorist' on the campaign trail. They have whipped the radical right skin-heads, neo-Nazis, and white supremacist into a frenzy.. These are the same ideologies fought against by my father in WWII. McCain disgraces the memory and honor of the Greatest Generation. .................

Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone on October 11, 2008 at 7:23 PM | PERMALINK

Mr. Lewis is correct in his assessment of McCain & Palin rhetoric. What they have been doing on the campaign trail is reminiscence of the 1950 & 1960s and the attacks that were perpetrated against blacks in this country! For anyone to say that this was not going to be the end result of this type of rhetoric is fooling themselves. The only reason McCain back-tracked is because he was losing by a bigger margin in the polls nationally and in the battle ground states. It blew up in their face and the only people who were energized were the Republican base, not the independents or moderates!

Posted by: Greg285 on October 11, 2008 at 7:35 PM | PERMALINK

All these guys have is baseless smear and fear. We all know their record. all you have to do is look around and know that Bush Co and McCain have been the terrorists greatest helpers. Not saying they did it deliberately as the hateful liars we all know inhabit the cesspools of the radical right and their neo Nazi followers but nevertheless the result is the same. Economy shot to hell, terrorists growing, the US held in contempt throughout the world, massive deficits..shall I go on? But all these assholes can do is post hateful lies based on fantasy and racism.
Guys like Chinky are saying on one hand Obama is a MUSLIM!!! and on the other sending soldiers off to fight and die in Iraq.. supposedly to help build a democratic country among MUSLIMS!!
Guys like sit on their asses and send others to fight and guys like him were yelliing "Dirty Jew" in Germany 1937"

Posted by: Vietnameravet on October 11, 2008 at 7:36 PM | PERMALINK

The band DEVO was ahead of its time. When I was in college, they were singing about "de-evolution." Thirty years later, the McCain-Palin ticket is proving them to be new wave-era prophets.


Posted by: MG on October 11, 2008 at 7:40 PM | PERMALINK

The band DEVO was ahead of its time. When I was in college, they were singing about "de-evolution." Thirty years later, the McCain-Palin ticket is proving them to be new wave-era prophets.


Posted by: MG on October 11, 2008 at 7:41 PM | PERMALINK

Pretty wild stuff flying around on here ... what an exciting election, no?

Allow me to state a few of my requirements for President and Vice President of our nation, after which I will list some of my non essentials for those jobs:

Intelligence/excellence of education
Ethical history
Contemplativeness
Cool head under pressure
Stamina/energy
Work ethic
Strength of conviction
Familial dedication

Here is my "no points" list

Looks
Age (unqualified running mate can make age relevant)
non-advising acquaintances
political stereotyping (liberal/conservative)
Party affiliation
Fashion sense
Gender
Ethnicity

Sorry my Republican friends, but Obama just fits too well.

Posted by: Jerry Ulibarri on October 11, 2008 at 7:48 PM | PERMALINK

The ONE thing I can say that John McShame has successfully done during this campaign hes successfully removed the practice of HONOR from the phrase Honor Duty Country, and hes successfully doing it with a host of his FRIENDS. Apparently, DIVISION is what they have ALWAYS been best at.

May God STILL bless John McCain and ALL of his friends.

And what does it say about Sarah Palins character, a so-called evangelical Christian, who:

(1) Attacks another professing Christian, Barak Obama.

(2) Continually smears another US citizen, William Ayers, who has turned his life around in a manner not unlike ALL Christians who have done wrong, been deemed sinners, repented and accepted Christ and turned their lives around.

(3) Attacks and smears a highly respected Christian leader in Jeremiah Wright.

(4) Continuously LIES and consequently DIVIDES this nation at a crucial time when UNITY is needed.

What it says to me is that she will say and do ANYTHING to earn 30 pieces of silver, including selling her own soul and even the souls of some of her own flesh and blood, and finally it tells me that she is not fit for leadership in this great nation.

Posted by: GerryT on October 11, 2008 at 7:49 PM | PERMALINK

Gandalf said "Spout whatever bullshit you want but don't back it up with any actual investigating of your own."

Oh you mean like McCain and Palin are doing to Obama?

Posted by: Sandra S on October 11, 2008 at 8:12 PM | PERMALINK

Jerry Ullibarri: and to add to your qualifcations of a president/vice president, here's Lee Iacocca's idea of a leader (from his book "Where Have All the Leaders Gone"): http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/iacocca.asp
Here also, Obama seems to fit the bill, unlike McCain or Palin who are not leaders by a long shot.

Posted by: on October 11, 2008 at 8:18 PM | PERMALINK

Jerry Ullibarri: and to add to your qualifcations of a president/vice president, here's Lee Iacocca's idea of a leader (from his book "Where Have All the Leaders Gone"): http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/iacocca.asp
Here also, Obama seems to fit the bill, unlike McCain or Palin who are not leaders by a long shot.

Posted by: Sandra S on October 11, 2008 at 8:18 PM | PERMALINK

From what Palin said in her own defense she is planning on their ticket winning and her running mate not living to the end of his term. She is planning on becoming president one way or the other. She has hinted at this before. How did the plot of the Manchurian Candidate go??

Posted by: Joseph Dorsey on October 11, 2008 at 8:20 PM | PERMALINK

This is a response to comment by chinky08----Snopes is a useful tool...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp -- False

Posted by: Zoe on October 11, 2008 at 8:23 PM | PERMALINK

What would leading neurologists and psychologists say about the following profile?

Living under the unrelenting threat of torture; being the recipient of intermittent torture. Being unable to escape for some 157,680,000 consecutive, incessant, relentlessly harsh seconds; or put another way, some 2,628,000 consecutive, incessant, relentlessly harsh minutes; or yet another way, some 43,800 consecutive, incessant, relentlessly harsh hours of horrendous existence.

Does time for POW’s pass in seconds, minutes, hours, days? Does that individual return from such a horrific experience in the same mental health he entered it with? How does the residue of such a horrific experience, hidden from view, express itself? How does the residue of such a horrific experience currently influence this individual’s world view? This individual’s thinking process?

What brain damage may have likely occurred? What does brain scanning of similar profiles reveal?

We must learn about Senator McCain's actual mental health. To say much is at stake is an understatement in order of magnitude equal to "the fundamentals of our economy are sound."

Posted by: Manuel on October 11, 2008 at 8:53 PM | PERMALINK

neither mccain nor pailn violated the law. reread the news articles.

Posted by: eschaton on October 11, 2008 at 8:58 PM | PERMALINK

Finding Number One:

For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides

The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.

Posted by: GerryT on October 11, 2008 at 9:05 PM | PERMALINK

"The nation has had 102 major-party tickets covering 51 presidential elections over more than two centuries. And we've never had a ticket in which both candidates on the same ticket were responsible for ethics violations before a national election. McCain/Palin is the first."

Aren't you being a bit unfair to the incumbents? After all, they both had criminal records before they were elected. Admittedly, the crimes they committed in office were substantially more impressive.

Posted by: Alex F on October 11, 2008 at 9:31 PM | PERMALINK

The un-dying supporters of McCain & Palin are reacting not dissimilar to when people are challenged about their god. They're prepared to go down with the ship and defend these two people till their deaths, and ours.

However, this travesty will not be allowed to become a reality on November 4. Thank the divine spirits!

Posted by: Ted P on October 11, 2008 at 9:48 PM | PERMALINK

That's just being maverick-y!!

Posted by: Di on October 11, 2008 at 10:05 PM | PERMALINK

We have a problem with distortion. As always, American culture (yes, all of it) is being spoon-fed that which we are supposed (ital.) to know. There is no doubt who the worthy candidate should lead this nation of turmoil (achhhhh....the money's gone, honey) and division. Mc'Cain and the moose-murdering narcisist,Sarah, need to know that the days of deceit (corruption) are over for the American People.

Posted by: on October 11, 2008 at 10:21 PM | PERMALINK

chinky08, while you are researching Obama, please be fair and balanced, investigate McCain and where his money comes from...gambling? His wife's continued PARTNERSHIP with Keating from which she AND her father made money in THIS decade? Hey! I don't live in AZ, or IL. I only know what I research on either candidate. Palin needs to go back to AK and get her governorship cleaned up. McCain needs to pick someone else, only that would mean that his crowds would diminish again. ratz.
Where do people get money for trips? For expensive schools? Grants, loans, and scholarships and credit cards. Sometimes, they have wealthy friends who say come, go visit my family with me. Didn't your kids have friends from Pakistan when they were in school? In Louisiana, I did. And you'd better believe that I told him that if EVER his country invaded my country, PLEASE remember that I was nice to him, that I was his friend. But then, I have friends around the world. I got through college on grants and academic scholarships, and when I traveled, I worked for a while and paid my way. Good grief! This is America. You can get to anywhere you want to in this world. It doesn't cost a fortune to travel.

Oh, that enemy within thing? Could be Obama. Could be McCain. Could be Palin or Biden. BEWARE. I voted for George and well, let's just say my son is deployed. His buddies have died. Am I happy? Nope.Am I voting for the Mav'rick? Nope.

Posted by: Teeninchee on October 11, 2008 at 10:48 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think that partisan politics-as-usual is gonna have an influence. We understand, as thoughtful, tolerant and humane individuals, who is foolin' and who is des-per-ate. We have to know the truth instinctually and intellectually. Dropping "g"s is not the clue.
"How can this happen?" you ask.
I'm not quite sure. We are deliberately distracted by those who require our diversion of outrage. And those who deserve, through quiet endurance (Sudan/Darfur/SoAmerica) attention and action, strive to have their voices heard. How shameful we have become avoiding the truth.

Posted by: blondiespenard on October 11, 2008 at 11:27 PM | PERMALINK

This northern hillbilly is a real gift to her opponent's campaign, LOL!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jk on October 11, 2008 at 11:57 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe I missed it when I read the report. I read that she abused her powers BUT that she used her proper and lawful right to fire him(she actually reassigned him, he chose to quit).

I saw nowhere that the report said that she violated state ethics laws. Can you show me where it states that?

The report advised no action should be taken against Palin.

I question that Branchflower had a conflict of interest in this investigation...his wife worked for Monegan and he also worked with the Police Dept. in investigations. Seems a bit biased to me.

Posted by: mrskorn on October 12, 2008 at 12:01 AM | PERMALINK

I read the whole report on Palin-WOW unbelievable
documents. If she didn't have a vendetta against her brother in law then why was Todd Palin working
on this day and night-Almost fanatically obessed and Palin doing phone calls and email. There were other avenues the Palins could have done and kept themselves out of it but didn't. It proves it was a vendetta because they became so involved!

Yes it is interesting-we have two people who
desire to be leaders with Ethic violations which leads to not trusting their judgement calls.

Thank Goodness I am voting for Obama!

Posted by: Sophia Beck on October 12, 2008 at 12:31 AM | PERMALINK

Chinky... you said you looked into Obama's life, but failed to notice some big obvious things, like he bought his house with proceeds from a bestselling book, and his exceptional work on college helped him get scholarships, (getting a J.D. magna cum laude at Harvard isn't easy).

Also, being Pakistani or Iraqi doesn't make a person evil or out to destroy the U.S. Two of my college professors are from the Middle East. They are glad to be Americans now. They didn't teach us jihad crap.

Lastly, it looks like you didn't uncover all that stuff yourself, you just looked at a few wacko publications (Obama Nation, Washington Times) and copied down what you read. Maybe the mainstream press isn't reporting it because there's nothing substantial to report.

Just like you won't find the "liberal" press reporting that the Earth is flat, or the Holocaust never happened. Try googling those things, and see if you aren't convinced by their secret truths too!

Posted by: Tanya Miracle on October 12, 2008 at 1:04 AM | PERMALINK

McCain should have used better judgment. The Palin pick was the snowball that just kept rolling. He can now be held responsible for bringing the entire Republican house of cards down upon himself and alienating a good majority of the intelligent population of the United States.

Posted by: JuliaH on October 12, 2008 at 1:57 AM | PERMALINK

Actually Tanya, we don't know how he did at Columbia because he won't release his grades. As far as Harvard we don't know how he got in there either. I can't comment on how he did at Harvard, although being head of the Harvard Law Review, my understanding is that he published nothing, which is unusual for that position.

Off topic...Can anyone tell me what Obama has done in his career besides cast votes, because I have not been able to find this information. What is so great about him, besides his ability to inspire.

Posted by: on October 12, 2008 at 2:45 AM | PERMALINK

Julia, Unfortunately the media has done its job on Palin and because most people are swayed by it, they have lost faith in Palin. Personally I think she is more than most, above board even though she tried to use some influence to get her ex B-I-L canned. He deserved it and I would guess most of us would have or have actually done something similar. It is not all that sinister. Her approval rating in AK is more than any other governor so she is doing her job well. She is no dummy, contrary to how the media portrays her. Editing interviews can make a person look good or bad.

What is not fair is that whenever there are questions about Obama it is called racist. It amazes me that Obama is going for President and there has been less checking by the media into his background than has been done on Palin.

Even when you read reports about the campaign, start noticing that when the McCain camp says something about O, it is called 'slamming'. Heaven forbid someone say something negative about B.O. It is hard to get that people don't see it. There is just so much that people don't seem to understand about Obama due to his smooth delivery and the lack of interest in facts by the media...

Posted by: on October 12, 2008 at 3:00 AM | PERMALINK

chinky08,

Source your comments or shut your mouth, you transparent concern troll.

Posted by: sirpatty on October 12, 2008 at 4:29 AM | PERMALINK

chinky08,

Are you actually citing Wikipedia? You or anyone else with a computer can edit those pages, so excuse me if I'm thinking you are full of it.

Posted by: sirpatty on October 12, 2008 at 4:35 AM | PERMALINK

chinky08, how ridiculous to insinuate that because Obama traveled in college or went to good schools, that he had some suspicious source of money. My parents are immigrants making less than $40K/year and didn't grow up speaking English, and I went to Yale. How? Because I had good grades and got scholarships. Contrary to popular belief, it's actually easier to afford a private school because they tend to have larger endowments and can afford to give out lots of grants and scholarships.

I also traveled the world during school breaks, by saving my school job money and traveling light with a backpack, Lonely Planet style! So your line of reasoning and negative tone makes no sense.

I also think it's ridiculous to "accuse" Obama of being a Muslim as if the mere fact of someone being a Muslim should strike fear into our hearts. That's would be like being afraid of Christians because Hitler was one. Even if Obama was Muslim (and he's not), it wouldn't trouble me. I would be more troubled by an intolerant, uneducated fundamentalist Christian gaining office.

Posted by: moomoo on October 12, 2008 at 5:19 AM | PERMALINK

If McCain/Palin are elected you can probably expect to see Trooper Wooten subjected to "extrodinary rendition" with the help of the Patriot act. If we thought the Nixon Hate list was a problem watch out for Palin to fix up all her past "grudges".
"Rickabee"

Posted by: Rickabee on October 12, 2008 at 6:05 AM | PERMALINK

Truth is stranger than fiction. These campaigns have a storylike quality. I feel sorry for McCain - he has become desperate for power. Ultimately, i suspect he's not such a bad guy.
Pailn on the other hand. Bad maverickpick! She's a brat abusing power and shooting beautiful wild animals. She's a drag on the ticket and should be finding it hard to sleep nights.

Posted by: anja on October 12, 2008 at 6:45 AM | PERMALINK

This seems to undervalue the contributions of the Nixon / Agnew ticket to our political culture.

Nixon managed a preemptive strike against the valid conclusion that "he really is a crook" entirely without the backing of the current Republican Wurlitzer; perhaps beginning its construction in the act. A great achievement in retrospect, which allowed the further development of the theorems of Presidential Imperium that have led to the current Constitutional Crisis (and it is one, no doubt about it.) In hindsight, Checkers would have made a better and more devoted public servant; but that's neither here nor there.

"Nolo" Agnew managed a much better influence peddling racket than the current Republican ticket contenders, retaining office (however ineffectually) throughout the bulk of the Nixonian Nightmare. Much to the chagrin of the estimable Ann Coulter, Agnew was the original Presidential flack jacket / bullet insurance policy. In the words of the Tricky One himself concerning his running mate's value to the ticket: “No assassin in his right mind would kill me."

Credit should be given where it is due.

Posted by: Mud on October 12, 2008 at 7:50 AM | PERMALINK

Posted by: chinky08 on October 11, 2008 at 6:17 PM


You chinky08, are as stupid as they come. Conspiracy theories just like the McKKK camp! STOP!

Posted by: justmed on October 12, 2008 at 8:15 AM | PERMALINK

Same to you Jose as to Chinky08!

Posted by: JOSE on October 12, 2008 at 7:58 AM

Posted by: justmed on October 12, 2008 at 8:17 AM | PERMALINK

My 48th year of voting in every election. And the most spiteful, meanest, most untrue, fear mongering, hateful campaign is being run by McCain.

He has NO HONOR, had no honor when he collaborated with the enemy, returned home to dishonor his wife, showed dishonor in the Keating trial, shows dishonor by throwing his side-kick (Bush) under the bus to save his own skin and dishonors all of us with his lies.

Posted by: CarolO on October 12, 2008 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

Correction for lampwick:

Palin wasn't using her self-perceived credibility, so she put (not sold) it on EBay. No one bought it.

She'll attempt to write off the loss on next year's tax return.

Posted by: Phil T. on October 12, 2008 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

never have i responded to an email web site, but being 71 years old i thought it was time. i have never put a sign in my front yard but will put up a Barack Obama/ Joe Biden sign hopefully letting my republican neighborhood know where my heart lies and frown on how dare would I put up a Obama sign.Called the Tarrant County Democratic headquarters yesterday (Friday) and they are out of yard signs until tuesday. that tell me they have a little shortage of cash or have been so overwhelmed with requests for the Obama signs they just ran out. I will be so glad to send my $100.00 today to do what little I can to get a government that will be for the people.thank you out there for listining to an old man that wants so much to see a change in our world. We need help with our econony, social security and somehow get out of a war or wars that we can never win and should have not have been there in the first place. Why can it not be ppossible for our new government try and patch things up and let all the country's that now hate the United states of america that we just want peace and that we don;t have to be the world's police? No last thing if we took just what our government is spending for just 2 weeks in the middle East we could wipe out our problems with children going hungry, people out of work and needing work so bad, almost cure our war on drugs and so many more programs that would help those truly in need. so much could could be done but yet we stay in wars that are killing and wounding our soldiers that we can never win. The rest of our world does not think of our country as we were once thought of and it is bacause of the last eight years of who we have had.

Posted by: Emmette C. on October 12, 2008 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK

never have i responded to an email web site, but being 71 years old i thought it was time. i have never put a sign in my front yard but will put up a Barack Obama/ Joe Biden sign hopefully letting my republican neighborhood know where my heart lies and frown on how dare would I put up a Obama sign.Called the Tarrant County Democratic headquarters yesterday (Friday) and they are out of yard signs until tuesday. that tell me they have a little shortage of cash or have been so overwhelmed with requests for the Obama signs they just ran out. I will be so glad to send my $100.00 today to do what little I can to get a government that will be for the people.thank you out there for listining to an old man that wants so much to see a change in our world. We need help with our econony, social security and somehow get out of a war or wars that we can never win and should have not have been there in the first place. Why can it not be ppossible for our new government try and patch things up and let all the country's that now hate the United states of america that we just want peace and that we don;t have to be the world's police? No last thing if we took just what our government is spending for just 2 weeks in the middle East we could wipe out our problems with children going hungry, people out of work and needing work so bad, almost cure our war on drugs and so many more programs that would help those truly in need. so much could could be done but yet we stay in wars that are killing and wounding our soldiers that we can never win. The rest of our world does not think of our country as we were once thought of and it is bacause of the last eight years of who we have had.

Posted by: Emmette C. on October 12, 2008 at 11:28 AM | PERMALINK

kinkyo8

Your conspiracy theory is triped up "bovine fecal matter." Keep on looking for those connections. What you are really looking for is a reason not to vote for Barack Obama because he is only half white. You as a racist would feel so much better if you would just say it aloud. Free yourself. If you don't want to vote for Senator Obama do so, but stopping playing the game of conspiracy theory, terrorist connection, evil pastor, no flag pin, expensive home, etc. Apparently the list could go on for you. Cast your vote but be truthful about why you cast it.

Posted by: Carolyn Henderson on October 12, 2008 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

Thank you Gerry T. I have wondered for a long time how some people can call themselves Christians while they lie, divide and mock community organization for the poor (which is exactly what the churches have done for so many years). I've been a Catholic my entire life and I can tell you Sarah Palin and anyone else who proclaims to support them in the name of Jesus Christ are not Christians.

Posted by: C. Meeks on October 12, 2008 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

Thank you Gerry T. I have wondered for a long time how some people can call themselves Christians while they lie, divide and mock community organization for the poor (which is exactly what the churches have done for so many years). I've been a Catholic my entire life and I can tell you Sarah Palin and anyone else who proclaims to support them in the name of Jesus Christ are not Christians.

Posted by: C. Meeks on October 12, 2008 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

To add to Winkandanod's list. My comparison between the republican candidates have to do with judgement which the republican love to bring up. I say the way McCain treated his first wife is a blight on his character.

known adulterer/suspected adultress

McCain most surely left his crippled and disfigured for his current trophy wife. He is alledged to have fornicated around with Ms Cindy for months prior to his divorce. A month later before the ink was even dry on his divorce papers he married his mistress. What a swell fellow. He often says his first marriage was his greatest failure. Unfortunately these sordid details are off limits, after all the Senator is now a paragon of morality.

The suspected adultery of Governor Palin on the hand has not been verified. Even though some Alaskans believe she had an affair with her husband's business partner. Why not spread the rumor and enuendo as the Governor is doing about Senator Obama? After all anything goes in the sleazy world of McCain-Palin politics.

Posted by: Carolyn on October 12, 2008 at 1:14 PM | PERMALINK

Compliance with the code of ethics is not optional is one of the best lines that I have read, and so very true. I question how Sarah Palin can show her face to the great people of Alaska. How can she look them in the eye? How can the people of Alaska ever trust her again? How can she face her family, her friends and her supporters? How can Sarah Palin smile and pretend that she has not told so many, many, many lies to the American People but worst to the people of Alaska. Sarah Palin should consider removing her name from the GOP ticket and stepping down as the Governor of Alaska. But she will not for she adores the crowds and the lights of Hollywood on her. But the bottom line is that one is ethical or one is not and now it has been proven that not only is Sarah Palin not ethical she is attempting to entice hate among the crowds.

Posted by: Valdar on October 12, 2008 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

To quote Rachel Maddow "If the guy really tazered an 11 year old, I'd go to Alaska and get rid of the guy myself"

Posted by: DG on October 12, 2008 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

Wooten admitted in a televised interview that he tasered the kid.

Posted by: navakorn on October 12, 2008 at 5:23 PM | PERMALINK

I still am asking people to list Obama's accomplishments because I really wonder why everyone is convinced of his ability. Seriously, I am curious. And, I don't care that he inspires you, I get that, but I want to know what he has done.
thanks

Posted by: on October 12, 2008 at 5:25 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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