IMHO, first debate a draw; second, the edge to obama; and third a runaway obama express.

mobama, as in momentum + obama = game over.

Greenberg must have found a bunch of recently-registered acornistas.

I actually felt embarrassed for him. It was almost hard to watch.

It wasn't hard for ME to watch. I enjoyed every single minute. I think that Obama pretty much put ol' John the Whiner away.

It was a clear win for Obama.

Has anyone watched the video of Joe the Plummer being interviewed? There is something not quite right. "Obama tap dances better than Sammy Davis jr." and he's pretty dodgy about his own income.

A plant? he definitely could be. But my impression is that he has a definite pro-McCain/anti-Obama agenda that goes beyong taxes.

I'm an Obama supporter, and last night I slipped into overconfidence. Now, in the clear light of day (and a cup of coffee under my belt) it seems that McCain lost his last big chance. But John McCain is erratic, grasping, and ENTITLED. I think I'd like to brace myself -- big McNastiness may be coming...

The media seems to want to spin this as a McCain win. Will objective evidence to the contrary spoil their narrative?

Naaaaaahhhhhh......

But my impression is that he (Joe the Plumber) has a definite pro-McCain/anti-Obama agenda that goes beyong taxes. - Saint Zak

One of the hosts on CBS's "The Early Show" said he called Obama's tax plan "communist". So I think we'll give you an "A" for intuition.

Prior to every verbal attack, McCain telegraphed that goofy pop eyed grin. It suggested that McCain is really in this solely for the thrill of the fight. Neither the thrill of victory nor the agony of defeat will matter that much to the histrionic man in need of constant stimulation. McCain will take his fight to wherever he can find it. The senate will suffice as he continues his fight with Obama.

anti-Obama agenda that goes beyond taxes. - Saint Zak

Oh. Beyond taxes. Need. More. Sleep.

They're only LAUGHING because they're scared sh-tless of him and Scarah being the LEADERS of our FREE WORLD!!!

Because it happens so rarely, it's incredibly satisfying to watch karma at work giving someone exactly what they deserve. McCain has lived well based on the popular perception that he's a "maverick". Now he will have to suffer as a new popular perception, that he is a cranky, doddering, confused old man, takes hold.

With luck, we'll see karma take a swing at Dubya, too. Hopefully he will invest his millions with the same acumen that drove the country to the brink of bankruptcy and he'll end up living with Laura in a double-wide, riding his bike because his car was repossessed.

We now know why McCain is a craps player and not a poker player. He has no poker face.
Could you imagine him negotiating with world leaders?
Hopefully that will never happen.

There were so many moments in that debate where I went waa...ht? that I am suprised the MSM pundits didn't ump on it. The "Acorn Voter Fraud" is going to be the end of democracy as we know it. Right - when all those Micky Mouse characters show up at the polls. Another one "I'm going to buid 40 nuclear plants right away" Uhhh it takes 10- 15 years from design to permitting to construction to bring a nuclear plant online, if and that is a big IF , you can find a community that will let you build one. He will be in a nursing home with his teeth in a glass long before that ever happens.

Joe seems awfully media savvy for a plumber. I have a feeling there's lots more to come on Joe the Plumber.

"Joe the plumber" was a plant; a "reverse Willie Horton" signal to that portion of the McCain fan-base that McCain himself defended last night as "hard-working patriots," and would likely fit nicely in an 1860s-era rocking chair, sipping a mint julep and watching the breeze blow through the oak-leaves in front of his mansion---while his employees don their butternut coats and march off to their doom under the breeze-fluttered Stars and Bars.

MOAR LIBRUL PROPERGANDER!!!! JON MCKANE HAS OSAMA RITE WHER HE WANTS HIM!!!!

My favorite laugh for the night; the completely random way John jammed his talking points into answers, which were already wandering through streams of rightwing buzzwords. That didn't make him look like a ranting geezer, much. Contrast that with Obama's crisp responses it was one of the most lop-sided victories I've ever witnessed.

Headlines read Obama was forced to defend himself from McCain's attacks. Whether or not it was consciously arranged by Obama and his team I think the effect of him letting the attacks come from McCain and calmly deflecting them was to give every old white worried voter a vicarious grilling of the upstart generation whose time has come. Only a dead-ender can't see after last night that the old generation driven deep into fundamentalism has outlived their ideas. Obama is a great representative of the new.

For me, the whole campaign was summarized in their closing statements when McCain rambled on about himself and his feelings, while Obama focused on Americans and our needs.

I was surprised at how well Schieffer did his job. Good questions and he skillfully cut off tired rehashes of ancient cliched arguments and ignored the stupid strawmen McCain threw out to cover his retreats. Schieffer has been in the tank for the Republican party for over a decade. I now count him as one of their finally disgusted fellow travellers.

Actually McShame did not do so bad last night. I thought he sounded - besides the sighs and bug eyes - actually tough, thorough and quite good at taking Obama off his game, going offensive and putting Pbama on the defensive. And Obama was BORING and stuck to his stump speeches - alittle attack from Obama or swipes at McShames 13 houses or gazillion dollars in the bank would have put him in better standing and highlighted that McShame has NO CLUES about the middle class or poorer levels of our world.

But alas I do not think McCain did well enough to change the overall dynamics of this election. He solidified his base but probably can not swing over many converts that he probably needs.

So temper yourselves in thinking this was a clear Obama win - not hardly. More a draw or McCain probably pulled off a bit of a win.

Anyone notice, according to McCain & his ilk, it is now unacceptable, bad, and evil to be "eloquent". How dare Obama speak clearly and expressively!
Like the word "liberal", "eloquent" has now become something dark & foreboding. Aw shucks, why can't we all speak like Palin?

Is he best equipped to handle the economic crisis? Voters split evenly between the two candidates at the start preferred Obama by 30 points by the end of the night.

Holy crap ...

Unless Obama gets caught raping a child while eating a live puppy at the same time he's punching an old lady in the face and performing a late-term abortion on Palin's kid, it's over. Done. Finished. Finé.

OFF TOPIC:

Good Moron America had Joe the Plumber on this morning -- he said he made nowhere near $250K, but hopes to some day, and that Obama's plan is socialist.

Because, you know, Obama's going to raise taxes on income JtP doesn't earn by a whopping three percent, so, you know, that makes him equal to Lenin.

Anyway, thought people may want to head over to ABC's site and check it out (it's blocked here at work, so no linky. Sorry.)

Sure. Real polls show McCain getting the short end at the debate. But it shows what sort frequent Drudge and other online trolling markets, to see McCain ahead in such polls. Go there and do what you can to at least show them something from sensible people.

Socialism means 'the common good', social and economic systems that are fair and equitable for the whole of the society as opposed to capitalism and total fucking greed ........ boy isn't that a sin ? really horrible isn't it .. and this plumber joy asshole is a total fucking plant .. which is exactly why the dim wit / asshole/ repiglican can sit there and say, despite the fact that obama's tax plan actually benefits him, and mcevil's doesn't, that obama is a socialist .. fucking incredible .. and of course this pig is a plant .. which is exactly why mcevil was PREPARED before the debate to focus on this guy who was in a rope line of obama's, and why he is on the tv this am, why is was talked about by all the repiglican pundits .. it was all set up ....

We now know why McCain is a craps player and not a poker player. He has no poker face.
Could you imagine him negotiating with world leaders?

mr. shortstop and I noted that playing poker with Obama would be a nightmare. Playing with McCain...kaching! God, he's hopeless.

Do NOT let up.

I have visions of Osama Bin Laden releasing a tape praising Allah that his fellow Muslim Barack Obama will become the new caliph of the United States.

Plan ahead for how we can get people not to fall for the foolishness again like they did in 2004.

Transparent reverse psychology should NOT be so easy to pull off. I am very sober about the possibility that substantial numbers will be utterly bereft of their common sense if this happens.

THINK, dummies. If Osama said Kerry was terrific and Kerry LOST. Would he be dumb enough to praise the guy he wanted this time? Do you think Osama wouldn't LOVE 4 more years of crippling quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan (hopefully Iran Pakistan and Syria too?)

CAN the American public be persuaded to ignore someone who wants us all to suffer for what he sees as our moral depravity and blasphemy?

We should be ready to TRY.