CNN called this Biden's "strongest attack on Sarah Palin to date."

If this is the strongest attack, CNN needs to stop with all the equivalence nonsense. And yet, I fully expect them to do a fact check and conclude that We all love our country in every part of this nation! is misleading because many people aren't all that wild about West Virginia.

Sure, it's an attack, but it's a justified attack.

The media wants to pretend it's neutral, but had they wanted to be neutral they could have used the word "response." Instead, they couched it in fighting terms. Once there, beyond neutral, they need to offer an evaluation of the merits. Palin's remarks weren't simply stupid, they were inflammatory.

Benen: How is this an "attack" on Palin?

As Harry Truman explained: "I just tell the truth. They think it's hell."

Don't you know the librul media rule yet? When a Democratic criticizes a Republican's position or logic, it's an attack. When a Republic smears a Democrat's character or lies about a Democrat's policy position, it's an attack. s.v. M. Bachmann.

"pro-America" is of course code for "people who look and think like me"

Well, we are talking Democrats here. To see one of us at the national level actually stand up for themselves is, to the media, something akin to seeing a bear rug stir. A little spookey.

One Nation under God? Grrr. I hate that saying. I'm curious, does being an atheist make me un-American?

About the Bachman thing. She is calling for an investigation, this is part and parcel for Republican strategy, call out what you yourself are guilty of. In this case I think there is a two pronged attack taking place and it is of course to smear Obama but also to delegitimize any calls from Dems for investigations of the Bush Cheney administration if and when Obama wins.

Hey, after John"Dry Powder"Kerry if a D attacks an R is the narrative, I'll take it.

If CNN says it's and attack then my idiot 'undecided voter' brother will believe it to be so. CNN has made it's intent and loyalties clear, so we must just deal with the reality of that.

Attack=strong

Its all some people understand and it works in our favor.

Nowhere does it state that the honchos at CNN are not dumb-asses.

The fact that they still carry water in the face of an almost certain Obama/Dem victories would tend to prove that CNN management is in fact a bunch of dumb-asses.

Pro-America Characteristics:

1. Nepotism
2. Favoritism
3. Abuse of executive privilege
4. Not respecting inalienable rights protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
5. Hypocrisy: against teaching kids about contraception; against assistance for unwed mothers; have own teenage daughter who gets pregnant.
6. Tendency towards the insane wing of religious beliefs.

You can keep it.

EvilPoet: still politically dangerous to not kowtow to the religious, especially at the national level, in the same way it's politically dangerous to not suck up to Israel and the military. Times are changing, though.

Liberals hate it when hot-looking women like Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann eloquently defend conservative views, because it shatters their preconceived ideas. Despite their talk, liberals are sexist.

For the Cretin's news Network, any comment on their chosen candidates is an "attack." Forget pointing out that Palin is an idiot, it's time to out Wolfie as the drooler he has always been.

Actually, those "pro-America" places Palin likes to well are the ill-informed regions, where people are still stupid enough to believe that cowards like George W. Bush and the rest of the service-avoiding Righties are the "patriots" when they come ask for the saqcrifice of their children in the invasion of Poland.

Hell, even Toby Keith has managed to see through this crap and has endorsed Obama.

Much like our attacks on Iraq after the invasion of Kuwait, sometimes attacks our necessary and deserved. Biden's attack on Palin is just such an attack, and IMHO, he let her off easy.

MCain is speaking live in North Carolina, defending Joe the plumber and saying attacks on "Joe are same as attacks on all small businesses"

Goes on to to assert we now know more about Obama's economic policy from Joe the plumber than we've ever learned in weeks prior.

He is using air quotes around: "Spread the Wealth Around" phrase again--like it's an evil thing--he takes it completely out of context and then calls it 'a strong leftist approach 'we've heard before and seen in other countries'...

What would you like to do McCain? Hoard the wealth? Keep it with the top what is it--2%?
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Palin jut brought up Wright (by sliding it in and adding she wasn't necessarily going to bring Wright up).
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What a passive aggressive duo McCain/Palin are.
Sometimes just aggressive.
Sometimes downright hostile.
And most of the time, very very hateful.

Del Capslock: Change? I'll believe it when I see it.

I think you're getting a little too sensitive. She said it, he criticized it. That's an attack.

By 'strongest attack' I assume CNN means his 'most effective attack'. And they're right - it IS effective.

"We are one nation, under God, indivisible. We are all patriotic!" he shouted. "We all love our country in every part of this nation! And I'm tired. I am tired, tired, tired, tired of the implications about patriotism."

Am I missing something ? This clearly an attack, but a necessary and long over due attack. I hope CNN and the Sunday morning shows run with it. I am tired of people acting like this isn't going on, let's get some political players to comment on Palin's implication.

I agree with Steve: To simply call Biden's outrage 'an attack' is an absolute distortion of the concern here. It misses the point.

He responded strongly with conviction to her outrageously presumptuous and loaded comment--

Palin's comment dangerously smacks of DEMAGOGUE

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As though she alone has the inside scoop, she somehow knows who is Pro-American and who isn't.

A comment that she knows who the good guys and who the bad guys are...

That she is better, that her supporters are superior (Pro-American, safe, good) while her non-supporters are decidedly Anti-American, evil incarnate.

Unbelievable. I want to see more outrage at this now.

Liberals hate it when hot-looking women like Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann eloquently defend conservative views, because it shatters their preconceived ideas

Here's what I think is sexist, twat. It's only when you grunting pigs find an airhead Jesus-breather who also looks like an airhead beauty pageant contestant, will you have the balls to put her forth on the national scene.

There are many better qualified Republican women who should've been given a chance at the VP slot. Instead, to appease all the horndawg fundie manly-men out there, they have to pimp out some lobotomized Stepford slut.

Steve: You must know by now that CNN and friends are responding to the need for a "horse race' to keep those ratings pumped up and the ad dollars flowing. Some TV producers are even wondering out loud how they can fill all the dead time if it's an Obama blow out. Gotta keep those eyeballs. "Follow the Money."

Everyone know that if you are WHITE & FROM THE SOUTH you are truly PRO-AMERICAN, by jingo!!

This is not an attack on Palin, this is an attack on the politics of division in practice for the last eight years.

Brilliant comment, M.Mudd. A number of conservatives are screaming "sexism!" in an attempt to silence legitimate criticism. Nope, they had no complaints about the ugly mockery of Hillary or Chelsea over the years, but the second someone says "hey, Palin isn't qualified for high national office", then that someone is a sexist oink and a hypocrite to boot. How the hell does that work?

" hot-looking women like Sarah Palin "

If Sarah Palin looks hot to you, it's only because Satan is at her side.

This attempted division of Americans has been going on for a long time. Prior to this, its most egregious recent incarnation was Newt Gingrich's saying that "Democrats are the enemy of normal Americans." It probably goes back as far as Goldwater '64 or Nixon '68, but I remember clearly the first time I became aware of it -- it was election night 1988, Dukakis had conceded, and Old Bush appeared at his headquarters in front of a big sign that read "America wins." It infuriated me.

Steve:

On October 17, you wrote:

This is, for lack of a better word, snobbery. She think she's better than the millions of Americans who live in cities. That's not only wrong, it's un-American.

On another note, the attacks on ACORN, which are equally without merit (a small number of falsified registrations--which themselves do not translate into votes, since no one's going to accept that Mickey Mouse is voting, and which were flagged by ACORN itself), serve not only to blunt Democratic registration efforts, but also to provide a post-defeat excuse for GOP politicians looking for political cover: it wasn't our fault--the big bad Democrats stole it. Sure...

As a lurker for the past couple of months, I have to ask: Is Al a troll, or just satire? I should be able to tell the difference, but after posters like Brick oven Bob, who by all appearances was serious, I just can't tell anymore.

Sarah Palin hot? She's the most attractive one at the DMV, you think she'll be pleasant and then she opens her mouth complaining about people not speaking English well and smelling funny and...

Liberals hate it when hot-looking women like Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann eloquently defend conservative views, because it shatters their preconceived ideas. Despite their talk, liberals are sexist.
Generalities like "Anti-American" or "Pro-American" aren't 'eloquent', nor do they "defend conservative views". They are divisive and distracting cliches aped by the right to appeal to baser instincts while scheming to take more of the inalienable rights away from citizens.

I think we're overreacting a bit here, in a way I find a little worrisome. I mean, what does it say about liberals that we find the very notion of "attack" insulting? When a Republican does or says something totally ridiculous, I think they DESERVE an attack. I WANT their counterparts in the Democratic Party to attack them. When I disagree with someone completely - when I find their character, their values, and everything they stand for distasteful - I attack them, and I wouldn't want it interpreted any other way.

Liberals have many virtues, but our unwillingness to fight is not one of them. We're facing a culture war, as the conservatives know very well, and it's a war we're going to lose if we don't realize we're in it.

Irony alert! Hypocricy alert! Sarah Palin must be glad to get away from her home-state crowd of anti-Americans. Many, if not most, Alaskans love to distinguish themselves as somehow superior to those of us in the "lower 48". And the secessionist Alaska Independence Party, of which Todd Palin was a member for 8 years, is certainly not in the 'pro-America' camp. Interesting that she finds it such a pleasure to get away from all that. Biden went too easy on her.

Biden is too cautious, respectful and nice. Palin is an outright lying racist inciting division and violence and has no integrity. She has demonstrated that she can memorize anything but she has no critical thinking skills as the Couric interview revealed. Who in the hell doesn't know what they read? "...just all of it..."WTF? She's seditious and a rabble rouser to low information voters preying on their hate and fear. A bigger poison is hard to find. She pretends to love America while hating two thirds of it's people??? After this election she hopefully will be out of politics for the goober she has revealed herself to be..."I can see Russia...I can see mars..."...idiot.

Kris: Al is a troll. His comments have no other purpose than irritating and goading the other posters. Sort of the Ann Coulter of the WM blog.

Steve: You must know by now that CNN and friends are responding to the need for a "horse race' to keep those ratings pumped up and the ad dollars flowing.

Bernard, I know the point is to keep us motivated, but given the last two elections, and then the crap that went on at the end this primary, there's no way in hell I'd ever feel complacent.

Nope, they had no complaints about the ugly mockery of Hillary or Chelsea over the years, but the second someone says "hey, Palin isn't qualified for high national office", then that someone is a sexist oink and a hypocrite to boot. How the hell does that work?

Because as far as conservatives are concerned, there is no such thing as a qualified woman (or minority). All women are the same, and they're all equally unqualified when compared to a white man. So they really don't see any difference between the accomplishments of Hillary Clinton and those of Sarah Palin, and they don't get why people keep saying one is more qualified than the other. They're both chicks, right? So how can you decide that one is "qualified" and the other isn't?

btw...Todd Palin should have great difficulty ever getting a national security clearance because of his membership in anti-American organizations for years. "Have you ever been a member..." Remember?

The Palins are an embarrassment to our nation. They bring out the worst of our citizens...racists and violent bigots known for being low information voters...for all the world to see. Citizen carrying a stuffed monkey with Obama's name on it, hanging spook with Obama's name...it's shameful that the 1/4th of our citizens of this brand are getting such national attention as being common America. Palin's Joe six pack and McCain's Joe plummer are rare examples of American ignorance and hypocrisy, exploited for political gain by gutter politicians. We are so done with these people and can't wait for them to no longer be apart of our political discourse hopefully before they break our voting system and ruin our democracy. Honor, integrity, hope are all qualities sadly missing from the McCain/Palin ticket and from the current GOP. Bush/Cheney...McCain/Palin...enemies to democracy...patriots of a corporatocracy and fascism.

from Driftglass.com (but pertinent here)

"...probably never be able to wrap his head around the fact that Ayn Rand's little wingnut terrarium is not a heroic creed, but a moral spider hole for misanthropes, rich degenerates and rich degenerate-wannabes.

It is gangsterism's safe-house where they can find constant reassurance that:

1. “The common good� is an evil delusion
2. Looking out for "the least of these" is a Socialist plot.
3. Looking out for Number One is next to Godliness.
4. And therefore the rules of courtesy, reciprocity, tolerance and prudence are strictly for suckers.

Conservatism – whatever it advertises on the box or promises from the pulpit – is a cult of rich and powerful solipsists deciding that any rules they make up for themselves are OK as long as it makes them a fat profit and that rest of humanity are merely expendable extras in their awesome, members-only circle jerk.

The Age of Dubya was not an accident or freak of circumstances, but the inevitable outcome of the ideology of people like Andrew Sullivan, and in the Age of Dubya, one can either be a Good American or a Good Republican, but one can no longer be both...."

The real blame for all this division is the Jesus people I'm afraid to say. Americans don't call out other Americans out as illegitimate unless they have the power of the (un-)Holy Ghost in them. Only "Godma" offers those who would do so the power to presume exclusive patriotism in America. Show me one example of where this isn't true, where religious fanaticism isn't a part of the pudding and I'll eat my own underpants (on film)!

re: 'under G-d'

It's worth noting that the words 'under G-d' were not added to the Pledge of Allegiance until 1956, when they were added as a rebuttal to the officially athiest Soviet Union. Until then, the pledge concluded 'One nation, indivsible, with liberty and justice for all.'

Of course, if Biden had used that phrasing in his speech, the GOP and its MSM minions would have seized on it as the greatest scandal in US history.

-Z

When I saw Michelle Bachmann's enormous glazed blue eyes, the appearance of a Madame Tussaud's waxwork, and the expression of someone testifying in church, I knew that she was a Republican wacko even before I heard what she was talking about.

Where do they find these Stepford politicians? (Well, in the case of Palin, we know they find them at Miss Alaska beauty pageants.)

Why no stories or pictures of crowds and rallies for Obamma- with 100,000 in STL and 75,000 in KC- visible Sunday morning on front pages of Google News or on any of the major news wires??? The MSM is obssessed with making this a horse race, and they are going in the tank for the underdog, whatever it takes, because they care about the story of a close election, which means higher viewership, than simply reporting that a majority of Americans hate the Republicans!

CNN looks at World Cage Fighting and is envious. Perhaps they (and the other "media") are trying to get in on the act.

Palin and Hannity need little black mustaches and a swastika on each arm.