This endorsement provides cover for a lot of moderate Republicans and Independents to vote for Obama.

It also has the potential of making the racism of the McCain campaign's strategy even more pronounced, if that's possible, if their surrogates, or their voters, loudly dismiss this endorsement on the basis of Colin Powell being black.

Nothing but good news for Obama here.

Not sure what he said on MTP, but he just gave a quick press conference and was amazing.

He went out of his way to smack down Bachmann, too. I hope the Democratic campaign in that district can cut an ad quick.

still a war criminal

After Powell's performance at the U.N., who can believe a word he says?

He was either in on the conspiracy or lacked the judgment necessary to determine the truth. More than 4000 dead and upwards of 30,000 injured Americans attest to Powell's perfidy.

It won't convince me to vote for Obama...or McCain for that matter, that is a matter of good judgment: mine.

Hey dee:

Fucking stupid comment, there, asshole. Don't be an ungrateful asshole, asshole.

Powell made a mistake, but Bush lied him into it. Powell is very important, and I for one welcome his gracious statement.

I haven't heard his MTP statement, but his press conference was amazing. He came out and slammed the McCain campaign and it's polarising tactics.

Beautiful.
Just beautiful.

Thank you Mr. Powell.
And welcome aboard the Good Ship Barack!

Powell is very important, and I for one welcome his gracious statement.

Me too.

Colin. Thank you! That was a powerful and touching endorsement of Obama. I was very much in the dumps this morning before hearing you. You helped lift my spirits.

I do have to say though that your defense of your stands on WMDs and Iraq and your endorsements of Bush and Cheney in 2000 continue to be very weak and self serving. But through your indictment of the present Republican party's narrowing of values and interests, I'll cut you some slack. Like you really need some slack from me ... but thanks anyway.

For me Bush and Company screwed the most respected general in America’s history since Eisenhower. General Powell is not aware himself of the huge, huge respect he has as a person of knowledge and intellectual skill in military and public domestic and international affairs, but the electorate understands. Here, I am told Powell grew up in the south side of Chicago around the Robert Taylor homes. If that’s true America is witness to two very powerful men helping each other out of the hole? Obama and Powell can do this for everyone.

This is a huge devastation to the political moral of the Republican Party. In contrast Obama will have an added momentum into the final day of the election that will put overwhelming enthusiasm to Obama’s Presidential Champaign.

For me I think many more Republican Generals are in the background are thinking and will do the same. Moreover, a startling or more like spectacular occurrence in over whelming odds of the many of those “swift boat� type military individuals that stood behind McCain will cross over and will do the same and join the effort they so much trashed and ridiculed before in the Democratic Party in the past.

In politics, it is important to distinguish the past from the present. Mr. Powell made a mistake in the past. He was lied to by the shitheads in the WH, and they told him things that were wrong. He made a speech at the UN based on that lie, and this speech was important.

But that was then, this is now.

Immature political neophytes keep score from 1900 to now, and if you violate the canon at any time, you are a problem. To more sensible persons, we pay attention to the here and now.

Powell made a mistake. Morons remember the mistake, and that is all they remember. Sensible persons note WHAT HE SAID TODAY, and welcome that comment.

He is not a war criminal. He is an honorable man who made a mistake based on the lies of others.

Powell made a mistake, but Bush lied him into it.

I am happy that Obama got this endorsement because Powell is still so well regarded but lets not pretend that Powell was some sort of bystander in this mess. He didn't get tricked by our dimwitted President. He made a decision to give his full throated endorsement that he either knew or should have known was complete b.s. and that he knew would result in untold numbers of deaths of innocents. He dummied up a bunch of "evidence" in support of that war using his own considerable credibility to camouflage the pathetic thinness of that evidence. Yes, the endorsement is nice and there is no good reason to look a gift horse in the mouth. But what Powell did was unconscionable and I, for one, have no interest in pretending that he does not bear at least as much responsibility for the mess we find ourselves in as any of the other assclowns in the administration.

You know what this looks like?

Class.

I think his statement about the equality of Muslims sharing in the american dream was very powerful.

His stature among the beltway people and the fact that they now have a piece of video of a Republican elder statesman condemning the negative attacks can't be underestimated. Every time a McCain flack talks about "the real America" the media now has a go to video clip for rebuttal every time they report on a repulsive robocall - same thing.

It doesn't matter what any of the choir thinks about Powell this is an appeal to the non-converted.

But does Condoleeza
Favor the geezah?

Now this is a "real American." Yes, Powell's made mistakes (a lot of our leaders did, and way too many of us went along too willingly). But his point to the effect that "So what if he was a Muslim," was beautiful. As Victor Lazlo said to Rick in Casablanca, "Welcome back to the fight. This time I know our side will win."

I am so proud. This man is a Republican who actually speaks a foreign language to most Repubs, the truth. He is as distinguished and respected as they come (Bronze star, purple heart, ect. ect..). Now, we all know that the repigs eat their own, so watch them now try to devour yet another American hero and patriot that doesn't suit their purposes and won't allow himself to be used as a tool.

Go Obama. Now everybody, get out and Do Something, whatever you can, for the next two weeks. We can make it happen but we've got to finish strong.

The most striking thing I find about this endorsement is neither his support for Obama nor his criticism of McCain. Rather, his fairly thorough denunciation of the entire Republican Party seems to be the most telling part of his statement. I think there are a significant number of Republicans who share his concern.

1. This is an eloquent and intelligent description of the state of the election and the merits of both candidates, by a man who is widely respected. The story of the Muslim soldier does a great job of portraying our country living up to its professed ideals. A great day for Obama.
2. It will be fun watching the wingnuts tying themselves in knots trying to "discredit" one of the most admired figures identified as a Republican.
3. The comment above by "dee" is sad. It's an example of the narrow thinking that would guarantee permanent aggrieved minority status to those on our side. How is this different from, e.g., right wingers who absolutely refuse to consider any candidate who will not categorically refuse any possibility of abortion? You may seize what you think is the moral high ground, but all you will get is an overview of people who disagree with you running the country.

The most striking thing I find about this endorsement is ... his fairly thorough denunciation of the entire Republican Party ...

Spot on.

Immature political neophytes keep score from 1900 to now, and if you violate the canon at any time, you are a problem. To more sensible persons, we pay attention to the here and now.

With all due respect, this is nonsense. The "here and now" is essentially meaningless without accountability to the past. I am all for forgiveness and even redemption but forgiving is not forgetting. Powell has a lot of blood on his hands and he has a lot to make amends for. This strange fantasy that you keep promoting that he was somehow tricked into his support for the war is, to be frank, laughable.

Powell is not some slow witted child. He knew exactly what he was doing and he understood what the consequences of his actions would be. He also knew, most damningly, that if he had chosen to act differently that there was a chance that things could have turned out differently. Despite that, we know what choice he made. None of us is in a position to absolve him of that choice but I wouldn't even if I could.

Northern Virginia not part of real America. Check
Chris Buckley not part of real America. Check
Peggy Noonan not part of real America. Check
Scott McClellan not part of real America. Check
Chuck Hagel not part of real America. Check
Colin Powell not part of real America. Check

Well! We'll have the real Americans narrowed down to just a few people in no time! And then we'll KNOW who the other 300 million traitors really are!

Powell made a career out of carrying water for the Republicans. He was used, handsomely rewarded, and then royally screwed, but he remained ever the loyal soldier no matter what he was asked to do. Only when he was summarily discarded did he begin to push back.

I could never understand how he dared look at himself in the mirror without being embarrased. This man could have singlehandedly prevented the Iraq invasion, but he chose not to. Hopefully that will torment him into his grave.

I'm delighted (and surprised) he has finally found a moral compass, and paid back the cynical Roverians. He has much to atone for, but this is a first step.

The righ-wing slime machine will now descend on him with all the considerable fury and vitriol at their disposal, and probably ratchet up the racial component to boot, which is red meat for the base already. To cooler heads his endorsement will still carry some weight.

Fairly exhaustive dissection of the campaign's issues and personalities.

McCain and Palin have really taken smearing into the realm of public mania. Check out the Jon Stewart clip about McCain losing control of the monster. There are bits from the McCain campaign which are beyond simply making you angry. The people and sentiments that McCain and Palin have inspired are heartbreaking.

Steve B. I'm seeing a Lance Armstrong ad where that Powell video ought to be?

Powell doesn't deserve flowers and candy for this endorsement. He did shoot himself in the foot with his bullshit at the UN. I'm glad he made the endorsement of Barack but I don't forgive him or believe that he wasn't complicit in his former role. I'm not naive enough to believe Powell didn't know Bush was lying. We don't have to fall all over ourselves because a republican endorses one of ours. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this, but whether I trust him will have to be verified by his subsequent behavior.

I spent a largely sleepless night trying to imagine what this country will look like if McCain and Palin succeed with their dirty campaign, and Obama is defeated.

Do NOT dismiss the power of the robocalls. After all, they worked when they wre directed against McCain, didn't they?

Colin Powell might be seen as just another one of those "Washington elites," and dismissed by the low-information voters at whom the robocalls are aimed.

Do NOT dismiss the voter supression activities that are beginning and will only escalate. There will be dirty tricks (goons--ahhh---poll watchersto intimidate voters, scrubbing of voter rolls), and any other trick that has worked for the Republicans in 2000 and 2004.

With all the money he has spent, with all the endorsements, with all the huge crowds that have come to see Obama, why is he still only a few points ahead of McCain at this point?

The Republicans know they can't win in a straight up fair election. And they are determined to win. If the Democrats aren't prepared to counter some of the voting suppression and dirty tricks, we might end up on November 5 looking at a very bleak future.

Powell was impressive in the MTP appearance. His smackdown of the anti-Muslim bullshit was especially impressive.

Looking at this from a political perspective, it's wonderful. Yeah, Powell's an ethically troubling guy, but I won't turn down his endorsement if it helps the Democrats. If that's wrong of me, I'll just have to admit to being a not-good person.

I expect McCain will be pulling out of Virginia soon, if it hasn't already happened by the time I hit the "post" button.

Brokaw did his best to minimize the value of the endorsement. Just reprehensible.

One problem that this country has, and has had for a long time, is an electorate cursed with a very short memory. In response to POed Lib and seriously above, Colin Powell has been on the wrong side of a lot of issues for a very long time. He was part of the crew that helped cover up the My Lai massacre--that's how far back his war crimes go.

He did a decent--not exceptionally brave, but decent--thing today. Let's not fall all over ourselves congratulating him for being decent. He has a lot to atone for.

"He was lied to by the shitheads in the WH, and they told him things that were wrong."

Colin Powell was not fooled by the administration and their lies. It was State that fought back against many of the memes that the Administration used, e.g., State debunked the aluminum tubes story. There's a little thing called personal integrity that matters in this world. Powell blew that integrity in his UN presentation. I cut him a little slack because of his military career and its emphasis on obeying the CIC. Of course Powell's endorsement of Obama is a positive thing. Let's just not rewrite history in the process of accepting that endorsement.

Missing from Powell's endorsement is a stinging indictment of right wing Republican policies that have led to the eight disastrous years under Bush.

His endorsement seems entirely personal, and based on the promise of Obama as a transformational leader, rather than as a needed change in direction for a nation that lost its way nearly thirty years ago.

We have to come to grips with the fact that Reaganomics doesn't work, that military/capitalistic imperialism is destroying us, that we're not dealing with the real issues of our time, or sooner or later, notwithstanding an Obama presidency, we'll resume our march over the cliff.

We all have a choice. We can talk about today, and the future, or we can dwell on the past. We all made mistakes in the past, and some were doozies.

But a single act can erase a lot of crap. That's what Powell did today. He endorsed Obama, and that makes up for a lot.

In many cases, people who go to jail can never leave that behind. My perspective is that when you have paid your debt to society, the slate is wiped clean and you start again. That's how I view Powell. He has paid his debt, and now we move forward.

So, spend your time on the past, which is dead. To me, that is stupid. I prefer to look ahead, and I commend Powell on his rehabilitative choice.

what a fantastic thing to hear. Gone too far--I'd say.

Yesterday I was musing that Palin is just that dumb that she'd imply one portion of the country is more Patriotic than the other.

But I'd say it goes deeper than that simply being dumb or oblivious. It's not just that she can't carry a thought through well and see complicated issues on different levels. (This is disturbing enough--she truly is unable to see the complexity of things).

But here's what's even worse about Palin:

I say she really doesn't care what she says. She is that disinterested with regard to the consequences of her behavior.

Palin is unbelievably detached from the hate she spews out, from her bizarrely erroneous and highly destructive indictments of Obama--indeed --and here's what I find utterly disturbing--she seems to be enjoying this whole charade.

As I watch Palin over these last several weeks--it seems she is almost, um.. sociopathic in this regard. It's like she's playing the role of a an unbelievably sinister person in a movie. She is the true villain--as I stated before, she is Doleres Umbridge personified. She deserves the Oscar for this villainous role. Palin has managed to rip so hard into the character of an otherwise upstanding compassionate brilliant American leader--and she does it with unparalleled zest, with a smile on her face all the while.

Problem here of course, is two fold:

1. This isn't a movie. It's for real.

2. And secondly, McCain condones it all.

Powell's criticism of anti-Muslim smears was a redemptive moment from a guy who has much to atone for.

Meanwhile, Powell's endorsement of Obama is a good thing; I'll take it.

Look at how many different issues Powell hits on - religion, race, leadership, judgment,the economy (McCain doesn't get it) the courts, the VP choice (Palin not ready to be President), depth of knowledge, inclusivity (Obama reaching out to everyone) vs exclusivity (the Republicans narrowing), Bill Ayers, Robocalls, polarization, the Republican party direction (moving too far to the right), the ability to inspire, substance, religious freedom (Ok to be a Muslim) - it just goes on and on...

He actually says Obama will be an exceptional president!

If your going to endorse, this is the way to to do - maybe we'll get a "little trickle" down from this - all the way to the those undecided and leaning voters.

Powell seems to make one mistake - that "John McCain is non-discriminatory as anyone I know." I think McCain is fully compliant with the RP approach to race - he certainly is not taking it to his party and supporters on this issues - in spite of his few weak attempts to quiet the throng.

If Obama is going to resort to seeking the endorsement of TRAITORS like Colin Powell. I'm going to just stay home. I couldn't vote for Grandpa McCain and the crazy woman from Alaska. But, I'm sure not going to legitimize sleeping with cowards, scum and traitors like that jerkwad Powell, who, like O.J. Simpson is suddenly black again. Don't make me puke.

I attended a corporate event in June where Colin Powell was our guest speaker. When he took the stage and the crowd of 10,000 began to cheer all that went through my mind was "Liar. Liar. Liar." I will never forget how Colin Powell helped W's agenda to invade Iraq. How he tainted his reputation and America's forever.

I know he says he regrets that now, but the time to say NO was before he went to the UN with his drawing of mobile weapons labs and his tube of talcum powder.

But I have to say... his words today brought me back a long way. He can't undo what he has done but he can try to make it better. Thank you, General Powell. Thank you.

POed Lib--

How exactly has Powell paid his debt? Has he done time? Has he made some restitution to the people of Iraq? Has he even had to answer hard questions publicly? No, no, and no; he skated, and continues to skate.

It's nice that he did something right (pretty low-risk, but right) for a change--but to embrace him and deliberately ignore his past is to be a sucker. Maybe you'll fall for anything, POed Lib, but some of us have functional memories. Many of us wouldn't trust Colin Powell to sell ice cream--and that's something he has brought on himself.

Thanks for stepping up to the plate for once in your political career, General. And thanks for helping those who started the Iraq War evade accoubntability, POed Lib.

If you're looking for evidence that Obama has the race sewn up this would be it. Powell has always positioned himself to be on the winning side. At Powell's age he doesn't really need the GOP anyore if they aren't going to control Defense or Congress. It's probably no coincidence that this endorsement came the week that it appeared that Obama had Virginia won.

I'm not trying to minimize the value of the Powell endorsement. Its important that this election be a landslide; the President will need a Congressional firewall heading into the next election cycle and we're in for some tough times. Powell has known of the GOP's moral bankruptcy for a number of years now. He has not only tolerated it but has been complicit in it. The endorsement is valuable but doesn't represnt a courage on Powell's part.

War Criminal.

We all have a choice. We can talk about today, and the future, or we can dwell on the past.

That is, of course, not descriptive of our options at all. For instance, what I choose to do is talk about today and consider what has happened in the past as part of that discussion. I choose to do that because that is the way reality works. The past matters to the present and to the future. People are still dying in Iraq - oth coalition soldiers and Iraqis are, today, right now, living and dying partially as a result of a decision that Colin Powell made in the past.

I will say again, that I am happy for the endorsement but that is not because Powell has any credibility with me but because he helps the guy I want to be President to achieve that goal. But really, this notion that you seem to have that this significantly washes away Powell's sins is completely untenable and entirely unpersuasive. I suspect that you and I agree on a great many things POed LIb, but on this, I don't think its even possible for us to disagree more.

His endorsement seems entirely personal, and based on the promise of Obama as a transformational leader, rather than as a needed change in direction for a nation that lost its way nearly thirty years ago.

As I commented above, I disagree. Yes, it was a very personal endorsement, but I think any meaningful endorsement has to be personal. But I did sense Powell was saying this country needs a change of direction and that change is not going to come from the Republican Party, but is possible with the coalition of support Obama has put together. I think one way you can shorthand Powell's endorsement is by saying, "I'm a Republican, but the Republican Party does not share my views. Obama is a leader open to discussion and I support the direction he is willing to take the country."

I think what Powell's endorsement does is provide cover for those people who are lifelong Republicans who would likely vote for McCain out of loyalty even though they don't agree with the direction the party is headed, to vote for a Democrat.

I don't know how much the endorsement does for Obama, but, its backdrop speaks volumes about Powell. He can denounce all the things he did, yet continue to speak about "my party."

As TR said of McKinley, he has "the backbone of a chocolate eclair."

And, I disagree with people like APV. What exactly has Powell done, at least that's been in public, to change "my party"?

Answer? Zero.

POed Lib -- Given that Obama is no more likely than Nancy Pelosi to actually investigate the criminality of the last eight years -- and he won't -- Powell has "atoned" for nothing. And, he did much more than "make a mistake."

If he wants to "atone," I suggest he re-up as a buck private and join the Big Red One at the front.

Hark is exactly right, anyway. In reality, Obama will be out of the Slickster neolib mold, and the collective lemming march of most the country will continue.

Don't blame me. I'm not voting for him or McCain.

By the way, POed Lib, you owe dee an apology.

For the vengeful side of the Democratic party---you're being dicks.

Forgive, but do not forget.

Reward give behavior, condemn bad behavior, and you'll see more of it. If yo do not accept good behavior from very bad actors, you'll NEVER get good behavior from actors who are only slightly bad or even neutral.

I have rarely been as thoroughly disgusted bu my fellow liberals as I was reading the majority of comments above. Is Colin Powell impeccable? Hardly, and he's made a lot of mistakes. But this was reminiscent of John Dean, of a man who did not abandon his basic principles -- which are not mine -- but who showed how the person he supported has himself violated them.

He didn't have to say anything at all, except that "I respect both men." He could have simply said that, overall, he'd become convinced that Obama was better, and left it there.

Instead he hit McCain on everything he's done wrong, from robocalls to Palin to meandering about the economy. And he starts with his "Obama is not a Muslim, but it shouldn't matter if he was" and nobody -- outside the blogosphere -- has been willing to make that argument publicly.

This wasn't a game changer, because the game has been over for months, but it was a truly courageous statement, from someone whose made his share of mistakes.

No, "DocAmazing" you owe a lot of people apologies, but what was said about Dee's stupidity was very much deserved.

(And I'm tempted to make a list of the people who wrote these criticisms, and see how many of them will have turned against Obama before he even takes office, because he is a pragmatist and thus will fail their own tests of 'ideological purity.' Anybody want to bet the number approaches 80%?)

Sad, just stomach-turningly sad. Now to read the equivalent comments in the next couple of threads.

Actually, Mr. Benton, lots of people outside the blogosphere have been making that argument publicly--but Phil Ochs liberals like yourself have been ignoring it, and the corporate media has been talking over it.

Again, it's nice that, for once in his public career, Gen'l Powell has done the decent thing. Not at all courageous--he has nothing on the line, and stands to lose nothing as a result of his statement--but decent. For that, thanks, Gen'l Powell. Now, about your past and the many, many things you've been in the middle of that Mr. Benton wants to give you a pass on...

No, "DocAmazing" you owe a lot of people apologies, but what was said about Dee's stupidity was very much deserved.

dee said that Powell was still a war criminal. Whether one agrees that Powell is a war criminal or not I don't see how today's statement by Powell reasonably changes one's opinion on that matter, thus I don't see how its "stupid" to say so.

And I'm tempted to make a list of the people who wrote these criticisms, and see how many of them will have turned against Obama before he even takes office, because he is a pragmatist and thus will fail their own tests of 'ideological purity.'

I don't know if I am on the list of people who wrote "these criticisms" but I am always happy to stand by the criticism of Powell and of any other political figure, including Obama, that I have made. Indeed I am not sure how exactly one will be judged on your all important list as having "turned against" Obama but if you would like to get started today I will be happy to oblige with my own contribution.

As much as I hope Obama becomes President, he has already made decisions and statements with which I very strongly disagree. His support of the most recent FISA bill and his statement regarding the Supreme court decision on the execution of child molesters are two recent examples and there are many others. Now I, for one, feel completely comfortable with the idea that I can maintain vehement disagreement with politicians who have done something I support or whom I generally support. And I don't think that is any kind of contradiction.

Now if my criticism of Obama counts for you as turning against Obama as part of an ideological purity test, then please feel free to add me to your deeply prestigious list. But as you do so, you might want to consider that with all of the shame you have for fellow liberals statements of conscience, if you aren't the one applying tests of purity here.

Re: SocratricGadfly's comments. I'd agree that Powell has not been a public spokesperson for change within the Republican party. It's been my sense that he's never been much of a public spokesperson beyond the areas that he feels he has personal qualifications in, mainly defense and foreign relations policy. I think it's valid to criticize him for his failure to use his political weight more strongly to shape the party into what he would rather it be. But statement's like those he made today are just that kind of effort, and think they are worthy of some praise.

I'll never forget that Powell, in the biggest moment of his personal and political career with the most significant consequences, failed big time. But I don't think that forever invalidates him from doing the right thing.

He's a war criminal pure and simple.
This has nothing to do with "staying in the past".
Welcoming him with open arms is like applauding Kissinger.
Nice to know that political expedience is more important than thousands of brownskinned bodies.
Fuck you fake leftists who wash your hands by clapping them together for this disgusting parody.

Now that's some spooky shit.

Someone want to send "Charlie Baker"'s comment to the FBI? Sounds like a threat to me.

There's only a couple ways the Democrats can screw this up in the next few weeks: http://www.236.com/news/2008/10/17/seven_ways_the_democrats_can_b_9624.php
Let's hope the Joe the Plumber and Ayers zombies don't decide to step in again.

It's possible to recognize and appreciate Powell's endorsement at this time, while still recognizing that he enabled and participated in some despicable acts in the past. His speech before the U.N. is undoubtedly the nadir of his career. But I welcome his endorsement and his frank pointing out that it's very possible to be a Muslim and also a loyal American. His criticisms of McCain and the Republicans were right on point. I would like to see him and other thinking Republicans rehabilitate their party.

Charlie Baker: you show zero evidence of critical thinking. Obama in every one of his speeches, in his books, in the way he has pursued his career, has shown himself to be someone who seeks consensus, who reaches out to others. He sees himself as both black and white, as indeed he is. There will be no African putsch against white people. Obama is radically inclusive. Your post speaks volumes about you and is a complete misreading of Obama.

Corinne Bradley: calling Powell a socialist also betrays complete lack of critical thinking. Please look up socialism in a good encyclopedia. You clearly have no idea of what it means. Nor is socialism a boogy man. We have a partially socialist system in the U.S. and this is true of all functioning societies. It would be good if you educated yourself better before posting.

Obama/Biden 08!

Powell's role in the lead up to the war in Iraq hardly makes him public enemy number one. Especially when compared to the architects of it. He was more like the "sub-contrator" of it. That he reputedly spoke up many times prior to his UN appearance and that he has apparently confessed remorse since no doubt hastened his departure. In the deliberately chaotic days and months after 9/11 we can't know what pressures he was under or what ultimately led him to the UN with his PowerPoint show. But I think it's fair to say that, while extremely disappointing at the time, Colin Powell has proven himself to be a better American than his colleagues: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Feith, Kristol, Rove, and all the other scum that saw the Iraq War for what it is and not only never expressed remorse, but never admitted--even once--that it was anything less than an absolute necessity. Even now.

I will accept his endorsement knowing that, unlike his colleagues, this man has a conscience and a sense of duty. And he does not make important decisions lightly.

Colin Powell has proven himself to be a better American than his colleagues: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Feith, Kristol, Rove, and all the other scum

I believe that's called "damning with faint praise".

Charlie Baker Delta 27 are you serious or just hallucinating? Do you really think Obama is going to start some sort of People Of African Decent revolution and start some kind of genocide against Non-blacks? I know you are joking, want to believe you are joking but the comments I have heard at Palin/Mccain campaigns makes me wonder if people actually believe the words that are comming out of their mouths.

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