October 25, 2008
READY ON DAY ONE.... Last month, Joe Lieberman was asked whether he believes Sarah Palin is prepared to lead if something should happen to John McCain after the election. "Well, you know, let's assume the best," Lieberman said, adding, "Let's assume that nothing bad will happen."
Yesterday, Lieberman, who's generally toed the party line when it comes to Palin, slipped again.
In a discussion with journalists from his home state of Connecticut, Senator Joseph Lieberman, Democrat-turned-independent but staunchly in the Republican presidential nominee's camp, offered a somewhat ambiguous assessment today of Gov. Sarah Palin's readiness to be president.
Asked by the Stamford Advocate whether Ms. Palin was prepared to be commander in chief, Mr. Lieberman said: "Thank God, she's not going to have to be president from Day One. McCain's going to be alive and well."
Lieberman added that Palin will get ready, thanks to the fact that she's "smart," and would get "on-the-job training" as the nation's vice president.
I get the sense Lieberman probably doesn't realize how ridiculous this sounds. We should be thankful, he says, that Palin won't have to take the lead on Day One. But what if she does? McCain, a cancer survivor, would be the oldest president ever elected. What if something tragic happens on the first day, or the second, or maybe sometime in the first week, before Palin's "on-the-job training" can begin?
Lieberman may be one of McCain's most sycophantic allies, but even he seems worried about Palin holding national office. It's not a good sign.
—Steve Benen 9:05 AM
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Lieberman has to be one of the biggest douchebags walking the Earth at this point, and even he can't tow the party line. Good times.
Posted by: Jake on October 25, 2008 at 9:10 AM | PERMALINK
"Let's assume that nothing bad will happen."
From the guy who sees terrorists under his bed? Are you kiddin me?
Posted by: markg8 on October 25, 2008 at 9:11 AM | PERMALINK
Hey Joe! Go Fuck Yourself. Thanks everyone I feel better now
Posted by: John R on October 25, 2008 at 9:14 AM | PERMALINK
Uh oh. Now they're going to send Lieberman off to Carly Fiorino Land.
Posted by: Alphonse on October 25, 2008 at 9:15 AM | PERMALINK
JOe knows they're not going to win, and he wants to make sure everyone knows that he stands behind his man, McCain, and not with Palin.
Posted by: Margaret on October 25, 2008 at 9:28 AM | PERMALINK
Maybe Joe is a little pissed off at McCain for saying the other day that Palin is more qualified than any recent VP candidate?
Posted by: Shalimar on October 25, 2008 at 9:41 AM | PERMALINK
Kicking the McBucket
What if something tragic happens on the first day, or the second, or maybe sometime in the first week, before Palin's "on-the-job training" can begin?
A rational question to an irrational situation.
It doesn't matter when McCain buys the farm.
The Oval office, the cabinet, and White House will be filled with Wasilla's finest. And Todd? He'd make a "heckuva" Vice President.
I am with Tina Fey: Beam me up Scotty...
Posted by: koreyel on October 25, 2008 at 9:44 AM | PERMALINK
"Thank God, she's not going to have to be president from Day One. McCain's going to be alive and well."
Doesn't strike me as a true gaffe, except in the sense that it can be read two ways, which I suppose is something politicians are supposed to avoid.
He is either be thanking God for McCain's not being dead on day 1, or that Palin won't be President on day 1.
I think a true gaffe would be less ambiguous.
Posted by: Del Capslock on October 25, 2008 at 9:52 AM | PERMALINK
You know, the smartest move Obama ever made was letting the Republicans have Joe Lieberman during this election cycle. I hope Joe likes his new committee assignments in January...
Posted by: RepubAnon on October 25, 2008 at 10:01 AM | PERMALINK
McCain: It doesn't have to happen."
Posted by: Danp on October 25, 2008 at 10:10 AM | PERMALINK
What "on-the-job" training are we talking about here? We're assuming that McCain wouldn't just up and die on the Republic sometime during the early months of his presidency, but what if he decides to cash in his chips between the election and his being inaugurated? If I'm not mistaken here, such an event would place Palin directly into the position of President-Elect. The fate of the Republic would be in the hands of what---a handful of corkscrews that make Nixon look good?
McCain dies, having fulfilled his ultimate goal: winning the Presidency. It's not going to matter to him one worthless whittle what happens to the rest of us, once he's worm-food---and a Palin administration would be the path to extremist christian holy war; a hybrid jihad of profiteering criminalities, both foreign and domestic, in the name of their elitist, secessionist deity.
Besides---this question has been popping up far too often for my liking recently, and those who should be the most reserved about answering the question in the first place now seem all-too-anxious to answer that question, Darth Joe in particular. One almost gets the feeling that there's a Pandora's Box somewhere in the shadows, waiting to be opened....
Posted by: Steve W. on October 25, 2008 at 10:13 AM | PERMALINK
even he seems worried about Palin holding national office.
please, traitor joe could give 2 shits about the country going into the toidy. the only thing he's upset about is his dreamed-of cabinet post has disappeared and he'll have to sit through the next 4 years as a back-bencher until he can retire rather than be turned out by the voters of CT.
Posted by: benjoya on October 25, 2008 at 10:14 AM | PERMALINK
Abe Goldman, a blogger for COMMENTARY Magazine -- which I remember -- from many years back -- as a generally sensible, liberal magazine in most cases, with occasional descents into neocon nuttiness -- has come out with his idea for the perfect ticket for 2012 "to speak the one simple truth that could rescue liberal values from the tag-team clutches of multiculturalism and Jihad."
Sit down, please, and swallow your morning liquid refreshment, because he's serious.
Palin-Bachmann 2012
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/greenwald/39922
Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on October 25, 2008 at 10:14 AM | PERMALINK
When confronted with Republicans who tell me Palin is qualified, I like to respond, "so if, G-d forbid, McCain were to die today, you'd be perfectly happy with Governor Palin at the top of the ticket for the election."
Invariably, most say, "yes.". But the silence while they wrap their heads around the idea is delicious.
Posted by: UncaPaul on October 25, 2008 at 10:17 AM | PERMALINK
"what if he decides to cash in his chips between the election and his being inaugurated?"
If it's before the electors cast their votes in mid-December, they're free to vote for whomever they want for President, and I'd hope they'd choose someone besides Palin. If after that, though, we're outta luck.
Posted by: DavidNOE on October 25, 2008 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK
MY GOD, and this is WHY I can't sleep through a night or pull away from campaign obsession...these CREEPY OLD MEN are anything but interested in COUNTRY FIRST...LIEberman squandered any meaningful capital he had long ago and the media should be SHOUTING this response of his in 5" headlines...I'm sick and tired of hearing people even insinuate that there is a possibility of this ridiculous woman achieving the needed intelligence (may have political sense, RAH) and discernment or demeanor to EVEN be VP...What is wrong with people...she should be completely SLAMMED...this national JOKE must end!
Posted by: Dancer on October 25, 2008 at 10:28 AM | PERMALINK
So-called sensible Republicans, including Arnold, keep imagining that Palin is going to develop intellectual curiosity at some point.
She hasn't learned a goddamned thing in the past 2 months, and she's not going to learn anything except how to bluff her way through an interview. She has proven both a fundamental disinterest in government from her days of Mayor. She is constitutionally unqualified to be president this year, next year, in 20 years. She just does not have what it takes, period.
On the other hand, she would be a fantastic Joan of Arc, leading starving peasants to war.
Posted by: inkadu on October 25, 2008 at 10:30 AM | PERMALINK
Shortly after the election the Obamas should change their state of residence to Connecticut. The DNC should run Michelle Obama against Lie berman.
Posted by: on October 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK
I get the sense Lieberman probably doesn't realize how ridiculous this sounds.
Lieberman is so self-absorbed and still pissed about being rejected in the primaries of '06 that he has now self-awareness of just how silly he really is. Look at his reaction when faced with possible censure in Conn.. He is still in disbelief.
I suspect, assuming an Obama win, that he will start make his shift back to the left somewhat and act like The D's and he are BFF's again. He wants his toys and will play with anyone that lets him keep 'em.
The unfortunate thing is that Reid will give him a big bear hug and say "its okay, here's your binky."
I've been kinda hoping that we'd get a 61 or 62 majority in the senate (yes, pipe dream i know) so Reid might grow a pair and kick Lieberman to the curb.
Posted by: Simp on October 25, 2008 at 10:47 AM | PERMALINK
When confronted with Republicans who tell me Palin is qualified, I like to respond, "so if, G-d forbid, McCain were to die today, you'd be perfectly happy with Governor Palin at the top of the ticket for the election."
Invariably, most say, "yes.". But the silence while they wrap their heads around the idea is delicious.
Posted by: UncaPaul
I think you need to slightly rephrase the question, for greater comedic payoff.
In 2004, I adopted the tactic of telling Republicans that I felt like the president needs to be a smart man, and that George W. Bush was not as smart as I am and since I'm not in the habit of hiring people for jobs who know less than I do, I wouldn't be voting for him. Then I would ask, "honestly, do you think George W. Bush is smarter than you are?" Which left them in the position of having to either admit to being dumber than Bush or having to argue that it was a good idea for a guy not as smart as themselves to be president. Ah, good times, good times....
Posted by: Jennifer on October 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM | PERMALINK
"One almost gets the feeling that there's a Pandora's Box somewhere in the shadows, waiting to be opened...."
It's called McCain getting his ass kicked. Repubs and their "people" are becoming concerned about this one slipping away and they don't want to be caught leaning too far to the right.
Posted by: Jim on October 25, 2008 at 10:50 AM | PERMALINK
a Palin administration would be the path to extremist christian holy war; a hybrid jihad of profiteering criminalities, both foreign and domestic, in the name of their elitist, secessionist deity.
In which case, I (and thousands of others) will be checking the Internet for jobs, and apartments, in Toronto.
Posted by: Vincent on October 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK
I told my dad that Palin was about as qualified to be president as I was. My father disagreed - he thinks I would be a better choice and he considers me a left wing nut.
Posted by: jen f on October 25, 2008 at 11:15 AM | PERMALINK
I felt like the president needs to be a smart man, and that George W. Bush was not as smart as I am...
The ones I speak with (if I can manage to stoop that low) often offer that very trait as reason to love the bastard. "He's like me!", meaning he's NOT as smart as them or anyone else they know and they like it that way.
Christ! One guy I know (an Iraq vet) said the very same thing about Palin. She's just like them! Dumb as a box of rocks. Her slow-firing synapses are the very thing they find most appealing! I literally feel nauseous when I hear shit like this.
John Lennon said, "Time wounds all heels". O Lord, please, let the *heeling* begin.
Posted by: StapleFood on October 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINK
Lieberman may be one of McCain's most sycophantic allies, but even he seems worried about Palin holding national office. It's not a good sign.
I yield to no one in my contempt for Bush, McCain, Palin, Lieberman, and the GOP in general, but I think there's a chance that when Lieberman said, "Thank God, she's not going to have to be president from Day One," all he meant was "John McCain should live and be healthy" or "God forbid anything should happen to [anyone, but in this case John McCain]."
Posted by: navamske on October 25, 2008 at 12:11 PM | PERMALINK
Lieberman's response again illustrates how completely Palin undermined the "experience" argument that was their whole campaign up to that point, right down to saying that she'd get "on-the-job training" when in exactly those words, McCain had said we can't have a president who needs that.
Posted by: Redshift on October 25, 2008 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK
The swearing in ceremony has to be very stressful. That could do the old boy in right there on day one.
Posted by: Dale on October 25, 2008 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK
This only goes to prove these guys don't talk to each other, and don't have a coherent campaign message. Can anyone just imagine having these two old men running the government? With Lieberman at Defense and Palin in Cheney drag while McShame plays Bush, the country will really get sorted out.
We are now beyond farce. Its embarrassing.
Posted by: rich on October 25, 2008 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK
Schwarzenegger said recently that Gov. Palin is not ready, but by inauguration she would be. Knowing what we know of her preparedness today, is it even imaginable that she'd make the necessary strides in a matter of months?
I am just glad the majority of people aren't buying these ridiculous arguments.
All of the men and women who've vouched for her should be held accountable in their next elections.
Posted by: TBone on October 25, 2008 at 1:03 PM | PERMALINK
Maybe Joe recognizes the Palin lives in the 'Jews killed Jesus' world and her support for Israel has less to do with love for Jews and the Jewish state and more to do with her belief in end-time prophesies. Prophesies that state all Jews must return to Israel before the rapture. And also state that any Jew that does not except Jesus as God's son will burn in hell.
Much of the evangelical support for Israel is a mask for this type of deeply anti-semetic thinking. Perhaps Joe sees, at least subconciously, just how dangerous a Palin Presidency would be.
Posted by: thorin-1 on October 25, 2008 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK
"On the job training?" She might be ready "by election day?" Wow. If there's one thing our country needs at this point in time, it's a VP who needs on the job training. After all, given the country's prosperity and global stability, we can afford to coast a while for Palin to get her bearings. And how much time would a President McCain and his staff have to devote each day to helping Mrs. Palin understand some of the basic ins-and-outs of government, such as the fact that the Vice President is not, in fact, "in charge of the Senate" and where Myanmar is?
Posted by: jonas on October 25, 2008 at 1:32 PM | PERMALINK
Lieberman is so self-absorbed and still pissed about being rejected in the primaries of '06 that he has no[] self-awareness of just how silly he really is.
No, I think it's the opposite, actually. Lieberman is, as a person and a politician, fundamentally wrong and treacherous but not necessarily all that stupid. He knows how this sounds, and it's just a casual shiv in the back of a campaign that'll be too dead in ten days to do any kind of retribution.
This is what Lieberman does: he makes you hug him in front of a camera, and then five minutes later he starts mournfully bemoaning how you've changed, it's so sad, he's so disillusioned now that you've been revealed to have feet of clay. It's the political equivalent of farting in a crowded elevator and then making disgusted faces at the person standing next to you.
Posted by: Matt on October 25, 2008 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK
No sympathy. They knew the fucker was a scorpion when they agreed to let him hitch a ride across the river. Fuck 'em all.
Posted by: Blue Girl on October 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK
I think Lieberman knows perfectly well how he sounds. He just doesn't have a choice. Most likely, he's really pissed that McCain rejected him, one of his most loyal lick-spittles, for Governor Avon-lady, and knows full well that she isn't qualified to be White House janitor, let alone VP. But he's become such a GOP lapdog that he can't go back. He's burned all his bridges behind him, so his only choice is to continue as McCain's lick-spittle and hope he gets rewarded for it.
Posted by: Shade Tail on October 25, 2008 at 8:45 PM | PERMALINK