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October 26, 2008

LIEBERMAN HASN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO HIMSELF.... Joe Lieberman adopted the role of Republican attack dog early on, but as the election draws near, he's hoping the political world has a very short memory.

Lieberman, a self-proclaimed "independent Democrat" who was chosen by McCain to make the case against Obama at the Republican National Convention in early September, said his comments have been within bounds.

"When I go out, I say, 'I have a lot of respect for Sen. Obama. He's bright. He's eloquent.'"

My hunch is, Lieberman sees the direction of the political winds, and hopes to convince Democrats that while he's been a McCain sycophant, he's always been "respectful" towards Obama.

Lieberman, in other words, has to hope Democrats haven't been paying any attention at all. The party is supposed to forget, for example, when Lieberman argued that Obama doesn't put "country first."

And the time Lieberman said it was a "good question" to ask whether Obama is a "Marxist."

And the time Lieberman ironically accused the Obama campaign of "sleazy tactics."

And the time Lieberman, at the Republican National Convention, falsely accused Obama of trying to undermine the troops

"Respectful"? Nice try, Joe.

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Frist and he is probably seeing his committee meeting in the basement toilet.

Posted by: Rick G on October 26, 2008 at 9:10 AM | PERMALINK

Kick him out of the caucus. I don't care if he is the 60th vote. Find a 60th vote elsewhere.

If the Dems have any self respect after this election (which considering what is likely to happen on the 4th they should) then the first order of business should be purging his sorry ass from the party. Make him run for reelection as a Republican in 2012.

Posted by: swarty on October 26, 2008 at 9:13 AM | PERMALINK

Having seen his chance for a prestigious cabinet post go up in flames, LIEberman is now hoping to hang on to his committee chairmanship.

Posted by: Lew Scannon on October 26, 2008 at 9:15 AM | PERMALINK

No inconsistancy at all. He's a sycophant-kiss up, kick down? You can send him out on a snipe hunt, but it's just what he'd expect; if you really want to drive him nuts, treat him like the prodigal and load him up with honors.
Then use him like a rented mule to the limits of his usefulness and then give him a nice going-away party.

Posted by: Steve Paradis on October 26, 2008 at 9:28 AM | PERMALINK

on press the meat, in response to a question about limbaugh saying powell's endorsement of obama was because of race, mccain is boasting about having the endorsement of former members of the nixon administration ...

Posted by: karen marie on October 26, 2008 at 9:31 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, like the Congressional Dems have the balls to throw this piece of shit into the landfill like he deserves. Lieberman could and can say whatever he wants and they would grin and bear it, like they've been doing in the face of a variety of outrages for many years. That's what Dems do, what they have developed a sharply pointed talent for: taking it.

Posted by: mg on October 26, 2008 at 9:34 AM | PERMALINK

Given it is unlikely that the democratic caucus will reach 60, I think the Senate democratic leadership should treat Lieberman magnanimously but appoint him to the chair of a committee and membership on other committees which are not remotely related to foreign or military affairs or intelligence matters.

Posted by: Chris Brown on October 26, 2008 at 9:41 AM | PERMALINK

An Obama administration will treat Lieberman with respect. Campaign rhetoric is just rhetoric. If politicians and their supporters didn't move beyond the mud slinging after the election, we would stay angry. Not a constructive mindset. The country is more important than vendettas. Both Obama and Biden understand this. So do those voters who did not originally support Obama in the nominating process.

Posted by: jen f on October 26, 2008 at 9:57 AM | PERMALINK
I think the Senate democratic leadership should treat Lieberman magnanimously but appoint him to the chair of a committee and membership on other committees which are not remotely related to foreign or military affairs or intelligence matters.

Put him on committee related to waste and sewage so he can be Joe the Plumber.

Thank you, I'll be here all week!

Posted by: tAwO 4 That 1 on October 26, 2008 at 9:57 AM | PERMALINK

Dems: Uhhhm, yeah. Joe, we're gonna need to go ahead and move you downstairs into storage B. We have some new people coming in, and we need all the space we can get. So if you could just go ahead and pack up your stuff and move it down there, that would be terrific, OK?

Joe Lieberman: Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler...

Posted by: mellowjohn on October 26, 2008 at 10:05 AM | PERMALINK

You're post sounds like you think Obama might win the election, and Liebermann might have some "splainin to do....
It is not at all clear that Obama will win this. The numbers are starting to shrink for him, and the daily spread is losing down. I'm voting for Obama, but I'm not so sure that these polls that show 10-12 point spreads are at all corrrect. Most elections come down to the wire, and this one well might.
In the end, Liebermann may have to jsut be polite to Obama in the Senate Chamber, where both will work once mcCain is inaugurated.

Posted by: Chris on October 26, 2008 at 10:05 AM | PERMALINK

If Lieberman wants a cabinet position, it should be "Stuffed, and Mounted Above."

Posted by: lampwick on October 26, 2008 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

lieberman is, to put it in terms that even a sarah palin supporter could understand, up shit creek without a paddle.

Posted by: entheo on October 26, 2008 at 10:14 AM | PERMALINK

Mi>but appoint him to the chair of a committee and membership on other committees which are not remotely related to foreign or military affairs or intelligence matters. - Chris Brown

How about minority leader of the Indian Affairs subcommittee?

Posted by: Danp on October 26, 2008 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK

Chris, the outcome of the presidential election has zero bearing on the outcomes of the collective results of the senate races (not including "coattail" or "gridlock" voting considerations). It seems fairly safe to expect a democratic majority in the senate in January.

Posted by: KG on October 26, 2008 at 10:21 AM | PERMALINK

this scheming, duplicitous asshole isn't going anywhere -- not unless aipac signs off.

Posted by: linda on October 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM | PERMALINK

I sincerely hope his career is over.

Posted by: on October 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM | PERMALINK

My hunch is, Lieberman sees the direction of the political winds, and hopes to convince Democrats that while he's been a McCain sycophant, he's always been "respectful" towards Obama.

He's just now noticing that his candidate's going to get trounced? I don't think so. Lieberman has known for a while that his own goose is cooked along with the Repubs'.

It was just one comment, and it likely had more to do with protecting Joe's cherished self-image than with any belief that he can save himself with the Democratic party. He's inspired by the same compelling need to believe in his own unimpeachable integrity that drives McCain. Sadly, neither of them finds actually acting with integrity to be as necessary as tenderly nurturing this self-view.

Posted by: shortstop on October 26, 2008 at 10:31 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is a shitty human being - a prevaricating, unprincipled dissembler, a single-minded defeatist, a brainless triangulator -- who now sees he screwed up big.

Which just goes to prove, again, that his instincts are off the carpet.

Posted by: SteinL on October 26, 2008 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

Obama and Reid should welcome Lieberman into the fold by offering him the ambassadorship to Canada.

Canada is out largest trading partner and an important NATO ally.

And Lieberman will get no media attention. He'll have to stay on-message on foreign policy and he'll have little reason to talk about the Middle East.

The GOP will get the Senate seat, but I expect Obama will be able to persuade the governor to appoint a moderate Republican as part of the deal.

Posted by: Carl Nyberg on October 26, 2008 at 10:36 AM | PERMALINK

There is no place in a New American Government for Joseph "Heinrich" Lieberman. He traded it all for a singular issue---a "final solution" against the perceived enemies of Israel---and now he'll pay the price for that choice.

Posted by: Steve W. on October 26, 2008 at 10:37 AM | PERMALINK

We don't forget.. and don't forgive, Joe...

Posted by: Drarryl on October 26, 2008 at 10:38 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is a deep Israeli mole planted by the Mossad many years ago.

He is neither republican nor democrat, he just does whatever his masters in Tel Aviv ask him to.

Now, it looks like they are asking him to prepare for an Obama victory.

Posted by: Dave on October 26, 2008 at 10:39 AM | PERMALINK

LIEberman -- American Jewry has never before produced a such a disgraceful and shameful representative. My deepest hope is that this race-baiting Judas is swiftly relegated to this trash bin of history. The good Lord has a special place for Jews who grovel at the feet of Anti-Semites like Hagee, exchange the wholesale Christianization of America for political capital, and engage in fear-mongering whispering campaigns among Holocaust survivors in Miami Beach. Thank goodness my community appears to have withstood his transparent onslaught. A special place, indeed.

Posted by: david cohen on October 26, 2008 at 10:43 AM | PERMALINK

I hold little hope that a Senate run by Reid will treat Joe appropriately, but from everything I've read Obama understands that revenge is a dish best served cold. I'll be patient, as I'm sure my schadenfreude a la mode will be served up eventually.

Posted by: tinman on October 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman is a traitor to his country and to his community.

No Disneyland endings for your snarky little ego-trip into Zell Miller land.

We will NEVER FORGET, Joe...NEVER.

Go away - and take your rightwingnut AIPAC and Zionist 'pals' with you.

Posted by: mommadona on October 26, 2008 at 10:46 AM | PERMALINK

I hope when Lieberman tries to buddy up to the Democrats in the Senate, somebody tells him to go sit in the "Independent" corner. We do not need him in the Democrats. I think Lieberman cut off his nose to spite his face.

Posted by: Willow on October 26, 2008 at 10:50 AM | PERMALINK

Remember when Barack took Joe aside on the Senate floor for a little chat? I'd love to know what he said, but Barack likely told him that the ship was sailing and if Lieberman wanted to remain afloat after the election he should mind his tongue.

Apparently Joe's obsession with ratcheting up war in Iraq (& Iran) was his undoing. That, and his puzzling relationship with Lindsey Graham.

Posted by: Barbon on October 26, 2008 at 10:52 AM | PERMALINK

Its not the least bit surprising that this bottom-feeding waste of protoplasm comes out now saying kind things about almost-President Obama. He's done nothing but stab his former party in the back for the last two years. Now sensing that the jig is up he wants to play nice. Go to hell Joe...please. Make the trip permanent and one way. You are no more a democrat than Darth Raygun was and you certainly deserve no sympathy for your anti-Democratic behavior the last two years. Its unfortunate the good people of Connecticut are not able to impeach your sorry ass.

Posted by: BenDover on October 26, 2008 at 10:54 AM | PERMALINK

Its not the least bit surprising that this bottom-feeding waste of protoplasm comes out now saying kind things about almost-President Obama. He's done nothing but stab his former party in the back for the last two years. Now sensing that the jig is up he wants to play nice. Go to hell Joe...please. Make the trip permanent and one way. You are no more a democrat than Darth Raygun was and you certainly deserve no sympathy for your anti-Democratic behavior the last two years. Its unfortunate the good people of Connecticut are not able to impeach your sorry ass.

Posted by: BenDover on October 26, 2008 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

Sen. Leiberman actually chairs the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee. Had he made any moves to examine the level of corruption attendant to the actions of the administration, he might be worth keeping in this slot. As it is, he provided cover for a monumental ripoff of the citizenry, an attack on their civil rights, and has fomented war and race hatred. His support for McCain is just the icing on the cake.
He must be removed from the committee chair at a minimum. I pray for 61 Democratic senators and one Socialist (hey Bernie!) and one lonely independent Democrat, finding his exile to be like Milton's Pandaemonium...

Posted by: MR Bill on October 26, 2008 at 10:58 AM | PERMALINK

Sorry Joe, I'll remember what you have said, so will the rest of the country.

Words are things and boy did you throw them at the REPUBLICAN CONVENTION!

I am disgusted that he is referred to as a Democratic Independent in this article, the only thing that makes him a Dem is his Pro Choice stance.

I am pro life, because I believe in saving lives of people all over the word, including the citizens of Iraq, remember them!

I am also pro choice, and I hate when anti abortionists are referred to as 'pro life'! They mostly favor the death penalty, and couldn't care less if middle class families are living in their cars, that's NOT pro life, that's anti life!

Once that baby is born they don't care what the hell happens to it as long as it's raised to be the right winged FRINGE!

You tried to make the words liberal and progressive dirty, well their not! They are words that relate to this country! I'm also tired of pundits saying, this country is conservative, IT IS NOT!

Just look at this election in 9 short days, it'll tell you just how NOT conservative this country is! It's middle left thank God. Now maybe they'll take some of our hard earned tax dollars and spend it on the dwindling middle class, just where it belongs.

What I don't get is why all the fringe idiots are hating the fact Obama says spread the wealth around, it'll be great for them but they're too stupid to know it!

Posted by: Andrea D on October 26, 2008 at 11:02 AM | PERMALINK

I watched Lieberman cross the line of respectful dissent at the Republican Convention. I lost a lot of respect for him at that point. His foreign policy credentials are also suspect. However, the whole point of voting for Obama is to bring our country together. Put Lieberman to work on Global Warming or something else he agrees with his party on, but I'd keep him in the party. As Lincoln said, "With malice towards none, with charity for all".

Posted by: JRM on October 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM | PERMALINK

And the time Lieberman, at the Republican National Convention

The very existence of this sentence fragment should settle the issue once and for all.

Posted by: DonBoy on October 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM | PERMALINK

kick him out. no questions, no discussions. shoot, hold the presser announcing the kicking out in CT.

Posted by: bdbd on October 26, 2008 at 11:07 AM | PERMALINK

Oh No Joe! Say It Ain't So! My hunch is that Lieberman can kiss his Chairmanship and his Candy A$$ goodbye! Shoulda' stayed on the sunny side of the street Joe!

Posted by: Renee on October 26, 2008 at 11:07 AM | PERMALINK

Joe reminds me of a typical Republican. He is NOT an Independent, he is NOT a Democrat. He is a Bush McCain supporter and only changed from being a Dem simply because he lost as a Dem, which means he is not a man of principle or integrity, he is a typical politician who will now be sucking up to cover his butt. I truly hope his days are numbered. I wonder when Lindsey Graham will be running for cover also.

Posted by: TexasCowboy on October 26, 2008 at 11:08 AM | PERMALINK

I would pay money to see the end of the reptilian lieberman.

Posted by: maxie the cat on October 26, 2008 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

Put Joe and Larry Craig in charge of the Senate Bathrooms.

Posted by: kentondem1 on October 26, 2008 at 11:12 AM | PERMALINK

He's a preening, self-serving a$$hole, but we will probably need him to get to 60. Punishing and marginalizing him, which to be sure he richly deserves, will have to be done artfully if at all.

Posted by: kth on October 26, 2008 at 11:12 AM | PERMALINK

Oh and one more thing.....I honestly think Barack would have fought for Joe's right to remain in causcus with the Dems. If not for the fact that Joe tried to paint the one person Barack loves more than anyone else one earth as a underground, America hatin', secret Black Panther , Afro wearing, Black Power Salutin', For the first time in my Adult life America Lovin', Rev Wright agreeing racist terrorist..............Michelle Obama. This time with Barack it's personal! He tried to warn Joe earlier this year when he dragged his but into a corner on the floor of the Senate to slow his roll. But no...Joe did what he wanted to do, said what he wanted to say, so now let's just call it a day!

Posted by: Renee on October 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

Unfortunately for Senator Lieberman, the US Senate has a very long and a very good memory. I really think he is about to find himself without a country at all. The Dems no longer need him and the Repubs don't trust him.

What I find most likely is that his committee assignments will be looked at and he will find that his office space has been relocated to a janitorial closet in Deleware. I guess he can use Senator Biden's Amtrak pass to commute in now.

Posted by: Don on October 26, 2008 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is a hypocrite of the first order and the Dems should send his goat smelling ass home. The first order for the Dems should be to strip Lieberman of any committee chairmanships that he holds; purge him from the party; and, isolate him and make him irrelevant and evenutally he will be forced out of politics. Lieberman is a bum!

Posted by: WHCJR on October 26, 2008 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

People like Lieberman never get it until they feel a fist smashing into their face about ten times in a row. Then they get it....

Posted by: Igor on October 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

KEEP JOE IN THE CAUCUS! - give him no chairmanships or good committee assignments, keep those for grooming real Democrats. As a final F-you give him the worst office space you can create.

Those are the terms Joe! You want to jump to the Rs you do that, but we didn't leave you - you left us.

Posted by: frankdawg81 on October 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

Eloquent, schmeloquent, Joe has shown zero respect for Obama and his supporters. While we're at it let's get rid of Reid and Pelosi, and give Obama Congressional leaders that WE can respect. . . like Hillary and Barney. Lieberman looks like a Disney character, anyway.

Posted by: Totto on October 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, but... If he's the difference between 59 and 60, then make a deal. You get to keep your committee chairmanship, but you have to vote for cloture on any bill we want to bring to the floor. Better to have him inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in, etc.

Posted by: scottap on October 26, 2008 at 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

here here Totto!! I agree with you down to the last period!

Posted by: Renee on October 26, 2008 at 11:23 AM | PERMALINK

As an Obama supporter, observant Jew, and Israeli citizen who served in the IDF, do me a favor and turn off the "dual loyalty" rhetoric about Lieberman. Some of the same folks who are probably going on about how racist the Republicans are in this campaign (and I have to agree with you there) seem to have no trouble recycling the same canards about the Jews that people have been using for centuries. We support Israel because when the folks who sling that kind of mud gain power and turn on us, we need someplace to flee to. Lieberman abandoned his principles and I think his ideas on Israel policy are wrong, but watch what you say about his "handlers." Too many of my people have died at the hands of folks who started out making idle comments like that.

Posted by: Yonatan on October 26, 2008 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

Ice him.

Complete disregard for his existence. He can caucus with whomever he pleases, but he gets no consideration at all.

Yeah: no committee assignments.

I wonder if he's going to try and run for re-election in 2012?

Posted by: Don Drennon on October 26, 2008 at 11:29 AM | PERMALINK

Can you say "Ambassador to Iceland?"

Posted by: Steve on October 26, 2008 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINK

Although it's nice to think about a filibuster-proof majority, Democratic Senators have never been a monolithic voting bloc. You can get most of them to vote for most Democratic legislation most of the time. You sure as hell can't get all of them to vote for all Democratic legislation all of the time.
Lieberman should be stripped of his committee appointments during the lame duck session after the election. There's a difference between bipartisanship and sleeping with the enemy.

Posted by: Dennis - SGMM on October 26, 2008 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman continues to blow with the wind, an embarassing turncoat from the Democratic party. He's not a free thinker, just an opportunist. Bloggers exposed his true colors in the Connecticut Democratic primary and the negative groundswell cost him that election. He showed no loyalty to the party, turned "Independent" and opposed Lamont, the Democratic candidate. Once the Congressional majority increases for the Democrats after the election they need to delegate Lieberman to some of the more meaningless Congressional assignments.

Posted by: Jonohana on October 26, 2008 at 11:36 AM | PERMALINK

The Dems. ought to tell Lieberman to go tho Hell. Forget the "60"
number, as if it is some magical formula! The party would do better convincing a different senator, even moderate a moderate repug. one, to vote with the Dems. on any given issue.

Lieberman must be cut out of the Dem. party as if he were a malignant tumor, imo.

If I lived in CT I'd be focusing my energy on a recall, as soon as Obama is the President Elect.

Posted by: Bobble1 on October 26, 2008 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK

I have one word for Joe. "Snake" in the grass!

Posted by: Sylvie on October 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

I have seen 10th Avenue drug addicted transvestite hookers who had more taste, honor, and integrity than Joe Lieberman. The word quisling dosen't do him justice.

Posted by: Eric Lowin on October 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman has become Joe The Sorry-Ass Fence Sitter as of late! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on October 26, 2008 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is overdue to be stripped of all committee assignments and he needs to be kicked to the curb. We could overlook much of his malfeasance, but his campaigning for McCain is simply unforgivable.

Posted by: The Raven on October 26, 2008 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

"Kick him out of the caucus. I don't care if he is the 60th vote. Find a 60th vote elsewhere."

Absolutely. Toss his bony old carcass to whatever vulture is willing to eat it.

Posted by: npr on October 26, 2008 at 11:42 AM | PERMALINK

if this is a landslide ... he is toast.

Posted by: marianne on October 26, 2008 at 11:42 AM | PERMALINK

If Harry Reid and the Senate Dems let Lieberman come back and caucus with Dems, then they might as well fucking invite John Sidney McCain III to join the goddamn group.

Posted by: Chris on October 26, 2008 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

send him to Salzburg where he can play
JEDERMANN on the Domplatz, each year, during
the Festival!

Posted by: viktor met on October 26, 2008 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman has the principles and morality of a flea. Certainly, he must be held accountable for his actions. Otherwise, what is the point of it all.

Let justice prevail and let's encourage Lieberman's departure from all congressional committee assignments of merit.


Posted by: Bernard Freiwald on October 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman has the principles and morality of a flea. Certainly, he must be held accountable for his actions. Otherwise, what is the point of it all.

Let justice prevail and let's encourage Lieberman's departure from all congressional committee assignments of merit.


Posted by: Bernard Freiwald on October 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman has the principles and morality of a flea. Certainly, he must be held accountable for his actions. Otherwise, what is the point of it all.

Let justice prevail and let's encourage Lieberman's departure from all congressional committee assignments of merit.


Posted by: Bernard Freiwald on October 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman is the luckiest guy in the world - first because the Dems needed him to maintain their majority in the senate, and after Nov 4 so that they can have their filibuster-proof senate. But should the Dems fall short of 60 in the senate elections, Joe is dropped by the Dems like a hot traitor - er - tater.

Posted by: Frank in Shreveport on October 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM | PERMALINK

jen f wrote, Campaign rhetoric is just rhetoric.

It's not mere campaign rhetoric; it's treason against the party.

If politicians and their supporters didn't move beyond the mud slinging after the election, we would stay angry. Not a constructive mindset. The country is more important than vendettas.

Wrong.

The entire basis of human morality evolved from reciprocal altruism. It's why people get so enraged by cheaters and traitors.

Lieberman's betrayal is so horrific, he must be punished for it.

Furthermore, there's more here than just partisan allegiance. Lieberman went Republican because he felt the Democrats aren't willing enough to bomb the crap out of the Muslim world in an effort to make the middle east safe for far-right Likud nutjobs. So there are honest differences of policy here.

Both Obama and Biden understand this.

Let's hope not.

So do those voters who did not originally support Obama in the nominating process.

Yes, because there's no difference between a fair primary competition and someone betraying the party they once belonged to...LOL! Epic fail.

Posted by: liberal on October 26, 2008 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is reviled by both parties now, the republicans never liked him, using him for political gain and he was done as a democrat in Connecticut. That weak sarcastic grin he's always wearing makes me sick. He so clearly goes with the political winds it's impossible to know what he actually stands for. His clock ticks loudly, it is only a matter of time before this scheming, disloyal little boy vanishes. That process begins on the 4th.

Posted by: Brett Fahlgren on October 26, 2008 at 11:47 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is reviled by both parties now, the republicans never liked him, using him for political gain and he was done as a democrat in Connecticut. That weak sarcastic grin he's always wearing makes me sick. He so clearly goes with the political winds it's impossible to know what he actually stands for. His clock ticks loudly, it is only a matter of time before this scheming, disloyal little boy vanishes. That process begins on the 4th.

Posted by: Brett on October 26, 2008 at 11:47 AM | PERMALINK

Bobble1 wrote, Forget the "60"
number, as if it is some magical formula! The party would do better convincing a different senator, even moderate a moderate repug. one, to vote with the Dems. on any given issue.

Agreed. By the same token, there will be many times that conservative Dems won't join the party on a cloture vote. So the obsession with "60" is a little silly.

Posted by: liberal on October 26, 2008 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK

Nice try, Lieberman, your conniving vermin. If Obama wins, I think Dems should throw the neocon Israeli loser under a bus.

Posted by: Kurt on October 26, 2008 at 11:50 AM | PERMALINK

yonatan, not all us jews "support israel". i refuse to support any religious state - religion & politics shouldn't be mixed - whether it's muslim, christian or jewish, it makes no difference. "oh lord - please save us from your followers".

i also refuse to support any state that practices apartheid. when israel decides to support u.n. resolutions 242 & 338, then i will reconsider my position on israel. if the united states treated had israel evenhandedly the past 30 years, in its dealings w/the arab world,and the palestinian issue, instead of siding w/israel right or wrong, the wtc towers would still be standing, the usa wouldn't be in iraq or afghanistan, and organizations like al-qaida would be an empty shell, compared to what they are today...

Posted by: doug s. on October 26, 2008 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK

mellowjohn...Your comment is hysterical!! LOL. Thanks for that

Posted by: indevoter9 on October 26, 2008 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK

What a sycophant! What an opportunist! He's changed horses so many times that he must have calluses on his butt.

Posted by: Lois Carneiro on October 26, 2008 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK

Fuck Joe Lieberman. He will get his eventually, dirty bastard turncoat

Posted by: Steve on October 26, 2008 at 11:52 AM | PERMALINK

One thing that will make me sing "Happy Days Are Here Again" when Obama is elected with a 60 vote majority in the Senate is seeing Joe Lieberman stripped of his committees. It's time for this joker to retire.

Posted by: Franc on October 26, 2008 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

Hey IDF child-killer. Your demand that Lieberman's dual loyalty should not be talked about is baloney. It OUGHT TO be talked about. It would actually be remarkable if this man had dual loyalty - he has only a singular loyalty its obvious, to the Zionist settler colonialist state of Israel. Now you should be careful about continuing the neocon drumbeat about how if you challenge the Israeli massacre of Palestinians that somehow you are calling for a holocaust. Quit scaremongering: you know better than anybody here how much physical power you have over the Palestinian women and children that your jackboots have stomped on everyday for the last 60 years. What you lack, like Joe Lieberman is moral power, and this is what the election is pushing America towards. So back off you treasonous child-murderer. With all these years of support for Israel, taking billions and billions of our tax dollars, you make us sick by pretending to be an embattled people - you and the ZIonist state you kill for is a racist, supremacist, hate-based, segregationist state. It is no surprise Lieberman, your mole found it easy to romp around with a racist like Hagee.

Posted by: captain america on October 26, 2008 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

say it ain't so joe

Posted by: ron on October 26, 2008 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

I don't care whether we have 60 Dem seats or not. Kick Lieberman to the curb. There will certainly be some Republican senator who will be willing to cut deals with the Dems as needed.

Posted by: rnato on October 26, 2008 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman tried to undermine the Obama campaign with false statements and fear mongering placing his warped agenda ahead of what is best for this country. He claimed on national television that his party left him. I did not believe it was the truth at the time but if Obama wins I hope he and the democratic party abandon this pathetic pile so his statement can become reality.

Posted by: tiredofgreed on October 26, 2008 at 11:58 AM | PERMALINK

He's a Jew who thinks non pro-Israeli countries should be bombed until they are Pro-Israel...unfortunately bombing has the opposite effect...hope his political career follows John McCain's after Nov. 4.

Posted by: mark musial on October 26, 2008 at 11:59 AM | PERMALINK

After watching Lieberman's poop eating grin for the past year as he backed McCain, there is no love lost if the Democratic Party flushs him. He is another oportunist as is his pal McCain.
Besides having bad judgement and being so "slippery" he lacks the ethics and values of the Democratic Party. Conneticut, FLUSH LIEBERMAN!

Posted by: flogger38 on October 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

After watching Lieberman's poop eating grin for the past year as he backed McCain, there is no love lost if the Democratic Party flushs him. He is another oportunist as is his pal McCain.
Besides having bad judgement and being so "slippery" he lacks the ethics and values of the Democratic Party. Conneticut, FLUSH LIEBERMAN!

Posted by: flogger38 on October 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman should be offered the same humiliation he gave Democrats when he thought it was safe to ride GOP coattails; and said countless offensive things. Bye bye Joe. You can give those tired jowls a rest now.

Posted by: jasper von blowhole on October 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

The Demos don't want Judas back in the fold.

Posted by: Juan on October 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

The Demos don't want Judas back in the fold.

Posted by: Juan on October 26, 2008 at 12:03 PM | PERMALINK

The Demos don't want Judas back in the fold.

Posted by: Juan on October 26, 2008 at 12:03 PM | PERMALINK

Don't kid yourselves. If it serves their purposes, both the GOP and the Democrats will again court Lieberman. Like the posters above, however, I wish the Dems would ditch Pelosi and Reid (and a couple of others), along with Lieberman. I don't think the Democratic Party is the party of "righteousness" though. I don't believe that an Obama presidency is going to stop all the lobbying and corporate interference in governing. I don't think Obama will work to stop our occupation of Iraq, Afghanistan - except on the most superficial level. He won't bring us single payer health care. I'll be glad to see the GOP power wane & Lieberman get his due, but I guess I am not as hopeful as most here that the Democrats will bring much change.

Posted by: lohd on October 26, 2008 at 12:07 PM | PERMALINK

Let's IGNORE this IAGO. . .

Shakespeare always knows best.. . re-read The Merchant of Venice and see how LIEberman is such a perfect Iago.

Posted by: Campi on October 26, 2008 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman is a pile of crap. He serves only himself and caters only to the party he believes is in charge. He is vile filth and deserves nothing less than an abrupt end to his career. Democrats should NEVER forgive him for what he's done.

Posted by: Mark on October 26, 2008 at 12:11 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman poltically is a walking dead man. He doesn't have a prayer of getting re-elected, so just a few more years before this sanctimonious blowhard is gone. Good riddance.

Posted by: billp on October 26, 2008 at 12:11 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman is a tough one to know because he often speaks from both sides of his face. However, his praise of Barack Obama is obviously heartfelt in this video clip: http://spin101.com/2008/09/04/lieberman-praises-obama/

Posted by: Erlyn Baack on October 26, 2008 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK
My hunch is, Lieberman sees the direction of the political winds, and hopes to convince Democrats that while he's been a McCain sycophant, he's always been "respectful" towards Obama.
sy·co·phant (n.): a pachyderm with an illness

An apt description of the current state of the Republican Party.

Posted by: navamske on October 26, 2008 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK

Joe probably ought to buy his own folding chair for sitting in committee meetings. The one the Democrats give him won't be too comfortable.

Posted by: Ira on October 26, 2008 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK

Here's a little scene from the play "Springtime for Hitler" that I've adapted to the McCain/Lieberman situation:

MCCAIN: "Man, we're losing everything! Everything! Where's my Lieberman? Get me my little Joe!"

"Send for Lieberman!"
- "Send for Lieberman!"
- "Send for Lieberman!"
- "Send for Lieberman!"
- "Send for Lieberman!"
MCCAIN: "Heil", baby!" "Baby! What's happening?"
LIEBERMAN: "I just laid the morning propaganda programs on the people."
MCCAIN: "You're putting me on! What did they say?"
LIEBERMAN: "I told the people we're winning!"
MCCAIN: "That's a groove, daddy! That's my Joe! That's my little Joe. I love my little Joe."

Posted by: emcd on October 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

Kick him out of the caucus! The man needs to be tarted at the next election. Lieberman is the ultimate opportunist!

If Lieberman wants true forgiveness, then Lieberman must come clean now and endorse Obama BEFORE the election -- he can say that he now feels that Palin is unqualified, he can say that he has learned more about Obama, yadda yadda yadda -- for whatever reasons, he must now publicly ENDORSE Obama. Otherwise, his political career is over.

Posted by: Sally on October 26, 2008 at 12:20 PM | PERMALINK

More pertinent IMHO was Joe the Traitor's remarks about thank God we won't have to worry about Sarah Palin being President since McCain will likely keep living - heh! What a nice endorsement of the bottom half of the ticket ...

Go BO-Joe, defeat McBushlin!

Posted by: Neil B on October 26, 2008 at 12:25 PM | PERMALINK

he need to go... no room for his outdated policy approach and his betrayal. this country need to go in a whole new direction....the senate should no be a circus home for traders.

Posted by: mos on October 26, 2008 at 12:27 PM | PERMALINK

And the time Lieberman said it was a "good question" to ask whether Obama is a "Marxist."

Right, because it's Obama who pushes bills for governments to take over banks, to the point of suspending his campaign and rushing to Washington to push it through against all odds.

To quote Scott Evil: "Ass."

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on October 26, 2008 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK

And the point is we should all now love Lieberman because he's switching sides AGAIN? Lieberman destroyed his own future...the Dems don't want him, and the Repubs are finding him useless. Go home and lick your self-inflected wounds, Joe-the-old.

Posted by: Alexandra08 on October 26, 2008 at 12:31 PM | PERMALINK

The Dems need to kick him out of the party and put him on a plane to Alaska....sounds like a** kissing to me!!!!

Obama/Binden '08

Posted by: Cynthia on October 26, 2008 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

This is not new. Joe is the same guy that hedged his bets and ran for his seat at home at the same time running for VP. It's time to cut ties with this guy. He's shown his true colors. This also shows why neither party can trust him. In the end it always ends up with him making decisions made in the spirit of what's best for Joe.

Posted by: on October 26, 2008 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

I can't wait to see the day Liberman goes up in flames. He deserves all he is going to get for deserting his democratic beliefs and supporting the war.

Posted by: Bob on October 26, 2008 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

Assuming Obama wins, the Democrats should begin the process of stripping him of power and isolating him. It's one thing to make a statement in support of McCain, like Colin Powell did for Obama. It's quite another thing to speak at the Republican Convention, be McCain's closest advisor and companion on the campaign trail, slander the Democratic candidate savagely and frequently, gin up the fear and suspicion of the Jewish community against Obama, and participate in a truly vile smear campaign painting Obama as Muslim, Arab, a terrorist sympathizer, a socialist, a communist, and anti-Israel. Lieberman and McCain strongly believe that we should go to war with Iran to prevent Iran from turning nuclear, which will in turn protect Israel. If that's their argument, then make that case to the American people. Instead, McCain and Lieberman have chosen another path, which is to scare the pants off the Jewish community, particularly the elderly, by lying about Obama's heritage, patriotism, and commitment to Israel. Just look at the recent e-mail by the Republican Party to 75,000 Jews in PA this weekend, comparing Obama to Hitler. By choosing slander and smears, Lieberman is responsible for causing a bit of a backlash against the Jewish community and Israel, as evidenced by the comments of readers. I think Lieberman should be grateful to Obama because Obama is a bigger man than McCain or Lieberman. Obama is committed to protecting Israel and will fight for its long term security, even though he has been trashed by Lieberman and people who think like Lieberman. So thanks, but no thanks, Joe, for all you've done for Israel and the Jewish community. Those of us who still have a conscience are sticking with Obama.

Posted by: frontstreet on October 26, 2008 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

Posted by: Danp
"How about minority leader of the Indian Affairs subcommittee?"

So, after all this time, you are still maligning Indians.

Posted by: bogglesthemind on October 26, 2008 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

David Cohen, thanks for your brilliant comment.

Posted by: Darby on October 26, 2008 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

I wish there was some punishment that could be dolled out to Lieberman. He started out by joining McCain in firing the opening salvo of sleaze saying "Obama is the candidate of Hamas". He's since followed McCain's lead in discussing Ayers, Acorn, Wright, and now questioning whether Obama is a Socialist/Communist/Marxist...

Unfortunately, I don't see any punishment coming his way. Sure, he may not be reelected in 2010, but he has a gig on Fox News waiting for him.

Posted by: Joe on October 26, 2008 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

I agree that Lieberman should be cut loose. He's been a thorn in the Democrat side ever since he had to become "Independent" to get re-elected. I do not agree that we need a 60 seat majority in the Senate. Haven't you been listening to Obama? "This is not a red America, this is not a blue America, this is the UNITED STATES of America". He wants to stop the partisan bickering. He wants to reach out to anyone willing to work together. Except for the dirty, rotten, slimy, turncoat pig, that is.

Posted by: winnie47 on October 26, 2008 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

And the time Lieberman said it was a "good question" to ask whether Obama is a "Marxist."

And the time Lieberman ironically accused the Obama campaign of "sleazy tactics."


Is Obama a Marxist? It seems so from his past rhetoric, and from his past work with and high regard for Bill Ayers, and from his "spread the wealth" comment, and from his praise for some avowed Marxists in his books. It might be more appropriate to call him an ally of Huey Long and Juan Peron -- who were actual politicians, unlike the bookish Marx. But it's a fair question whether Obama is a "Marxist", and the answer seems to be that "Yes, Obama is a Marxist." Who other than a Marxist would actually believe that he could "create 5 million jobs" by taking more money from growing companies and giving it to stagnant and contracting companies?

The Obama campaign hardly invented sleazy tactics, but they certainly have engaged in sleazy tactics. Obama has been lying about his actual working relationship with ACORN (training ACORN staff, representing them legally). The Obama campaign initiated the vilification of Sarah Palin and "Joe" Wurzelbacher. The Obama campaign broke its promise to go with federal campaign funding limits as soon as they realized that they would collect more money than their opponent; they also collect money from credit card donations in a way that violates the federal rules on donations.

On the whole, Obama's is the sleaziest campaign operation since Nixon in 1972. It's a very smart and well-organized operation, but it is also the sleaziest since Nixon in 1972. Any fan of civil liberties should at least be alert to the threat that an Obama government could be more stifling of civil liberties than Bush has been.

Posted by: MattherwRMarler on October 26, 2008 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK

LIEBERWHORE is toast.

Posted by: HK on October 26, 2008 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

It's politics so he might not go anywhere at the moment, but Dems realize that if he tried to go against them once he will do it again. Don't be surprised to see him on a committee that investigates McCain (they will have him eat his own words) or Dems will block every bill he introduces so he won't run again.

Posted by: GoObama on October 26, 2008 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

Zionest piece of crap. Run him off. He'd be living in Israel now if he weren't so afraid of all those "filthy Arabs."

Posted by: Ray from Texas on October 26, 2008 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

As a progressive, I don't fault Lieberman for supporting McCain any more than Republicans should fault Powell for supporting Obama.

However, what I do fault Lieberman for is his willingness to uncritically regurgitate Republican lies about Obama.

His pro-active efforts to overtly go after Obama will be his un-doing. Like McCain, Lieberman revealed a side of his character that people rarely if ever saw before; and they didn't much care for.

Lots of burned bridges that may never be repaired for both men.

Posted by: LesserFool on October 26, 2008 at 1:03 PM | PERMALINK

forgive your enemies, but don't forget their names.
they'll make Joe withdraw from the democratic caucus by not inviting him to any events.
simple and elegant.

Posted by: jackinthebox4 on October 26, 2008 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK
Joe is the same guy that hedged his bets and ran for his seat at home at the same time running for VP.
True, but you can't really rap him for that. Lyndon Johnson did it in 1960, Lloyd Bentsen did it in 1988, and Joe Biden is doing it this year. Posted by: navamske on October 26, 2008 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

LIEbermann puts Israel first vs America first. He would risk American lives for his own personal agenda. We are friends of Israel but we are not Israelis nor are we Georgians FIRST!

Posted by: on October 26, 2008 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

I am an independent, and at one time I respected Joe Lieberman, although I did not agree with him on many issues.

I could have maintained my respect for Lieberman if he had simply endorsed McCain.

However, Lieberman forfeited my respect when he joined the worst element of the Republican Party: dishonest, hateful, fear-mongering, xenophobic, anti-intellectual.

Lieberman can be try to salvage his political future by making some pretty noise about Obama, but it's not going to work. A lot of Democrats might have simply written him off for endorsing McCain. But they will -- and should -- take due revenge on Lieberman for his active participation in the nastiest campaign I have seen in 40 years of voting.

Posted by: Alex on October 26, 2008 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK

This article should have been titled "Top rat abandons McCain's sinking ship"

Posted by: tector on October 26, 2008 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

To Doug first:
Where Israeli politics come in I am a member of the left. I have long believed, as you do, in a two-state solution to the problem. I believe that equal rights for Israels Arab citizens are deperately needed, and that the control of private religion by the state should no more be practiced in the Jewish state than in the American one. All states have flaws; I agree with you about most of Israel's, having lived there and served proudly but with great frustration in her defense. SOmehow, only Israel's very legitimacy is called into question on the basis of her imperfection. When's the last time someone questioned Pakistan's right to exist on the basis of how the non-Muslims there are treated, or Russia, or Venezuela, or Laos?
You may not support Israel, BTW, but if the chips are down Israel will still support you. That's my point.

To Captain America:
Tank you for so eloquently making my point. You can feel free to take issue with whatever beliefs of mine you want. You may not call me, someone who never fired a shot in combat, at anyone of any age, a baby killer. Here are the facts: Jews continue to be an embattled people essentially everywhere we live, as your vitriol only serves to prove. We have been expelled, in the living memory of elder statesmen of all parties, from nearly every country in the Muslim world where we once lived, and slaughtered in the millions in the very European countries that the US now considers her dearest allies. Apparently not enough for leaders like Ahmedinejad, Haniyeh, or Nasrallah, who continue to call for an the completion of the task.
As for what this election proves, the issue of Israel is likely the one where the candidates differ the least. Joe Biden has a solid historical record of support for Israel and Barack Obama has stated his clear support as well, including in his visit this summer. Their support is clear because as imperfect as she may be (see my reply to Doug), Israel is still a parliamentary democracy with the potential to correct her wrongs in the same way that America can, through voting, protest, political debate and rule of law. She is therefore America's best ally in the region. She is also in the process of peace negotiations with both the Palestinians and the Syrians - a dangerous prospect, since the last several times we have engaged in this process Hamas has rewarded us by attacking the citizenry of Israel on buses. We were on the verge of an agreement in the last months of the Clinton administration (speaking of Democrats - loyal ones - who strongly support Israel) when Arafat walked away from the table. Why? Because he knew that if he signed it he'd end up like Sadat, assassinated by the nay sayers in his own country. Not to say that there are no Israeli naysayers - look at what happened to Rabin. But it is the path of Rabin that is the right path - a refusal to bow to the hatemongers on either side of the debate, an insistence that there will be a Jewish state, that it will be a democracy, that it will live in peace with its neighbors, and that all of its citizens will be treated with respect, dignity, and full rights, according to the holy tradition of the Hebrew prophets that Ben-Gurion referred to in the declaration of Israel's independence. Sorry for the religious reference, there, Doug, but that's the truth. Cap'n America's right that the neocon drumbeat of the Right Hand of God got too loud during the last eight years - although not knowing me it's difficult to imaging why he though I was a neocon, unless he sterotyped me by assuming that all pro-Israel Jews are neocons (Senators Boxer and Feinstein and Rep.Waxman will be shocked to hear that one). But God has (at least) two hands, metaphorically speaking of course, and the Left Hand of God (see book by Michael Lerner, with whom I respectfully disagree on a number of issues but who has a solid point here), representing compassion and social justice, can clearly play a role in societies who don't banish religion altogether (as China does, for example - still think religion should be absent from political life?).
You know what, Cap'n? Say whatever you like about our loyalties. I am an American citizen and still have my draft registration and if called to serve the US would do so as proudly as I did Israel when so called. The two countries of which I am a citizen (Lieberman, BTW is not an Israeli citizen, in case you assumed otherwise) are both flawed democracies striving to become better and I am an active citizen trying to push them to do so. I am far from unique. I am not a baby killer, though I know many Israelis who have had their babies killed by the likes of Samir Kuntar, who was received in Lebanon to a hero's welcome last summer after Israel traded him for the remains of two soldiers. There's your baby killer. Say what you want. The real thing that this election should prove is that people who are willing to spout the kind of words that you do in your response to me, instead of working toward real, lasting peace and security for all peoples, are on the way out in America. People willing to call me the kind of horrible things you called me with no evidence of my behavior, people willing to call Obama a terrorist just on the basis of his middle name, people willing to use slurs toward Latinos, Indian Americans, African Americans, the disabled or mentally challenged, are no longer going to drive our politics. People like Barack Obama, who has the vision to unite people across these divisions, make new alliances, call friends and foes alike to account for their behavior - they are going to lead us forward. Someday your hateful words will be no more, and I will be able to sit down with my Palestinian friend after seeking his advice on a difficult medical decision and toast both the recovery of our two peoples. Joe Lieberman got his road map wrong. He probably ought to come to grips with the fact that his days of leadership in either party - or in the Jewish community - have come to an end. He ought to be more careful about the company he keeps. So should you, Cap'n.

Posted by: Yonatan on October 26, 2008 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK

matthewrmarler, what planet are YOU inhabiting? obama a marxist? because he supports rolling back the bush tax cuts? the same tax cuts that john mccain said were a giveaway to the rich, when dubyah proposed them, & it was convenient for john mccain to oppose them? does this mean john mccain was a marxist? does this mean john mccain is an opportunistic flip-flopper now? isn't john mccain, perhaps, being a fear monger, calling obama a socialist, when obama simply agrees w/mccains earlier position?

w/obama's positions, he would be a right wing candidate in any other free-world ddemocracy on this planet - calling him a marxist only shows your ignorance and desire to spread fear and ignorance and slander.

regarding obama running a sleazy campaign, again, you must be living in an alternate universe. overwhelming majorities think obama's campaign has been incredibly issue-focused, all things considered. overwhelming majorities think mccain's campaign has been about the sleaziest, most negative campaign run EVER, forget about nixon in 1972. even overwhelming majorities of republican advisors & pundits think mccain's campaign has gone over the top w/his almost totally negative campaign.

save your small-minded drivel for your small minded friends...

Posted by: doug s. on October 26, 2008 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman is NOT the devil he is just a Senator who is wrong on some things and right on some others.

I do hope that those of us who favor Obama do NOT fall into the Bushian "for us or agin' us" mind freeze we have lived with for too many years.

If we do, then this change of direction merely rotates 360 degrees... back to the "all hate, all the time" disfunction where we started.

Don

Posted by: Don Saunders on October 26, 2008 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

I'm a Connecticut resident and Joe will NOT be getting my vote next time.

Posted by: Chuck2200 on October 26, 2008 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

No, MattherwRMarler, Obama isn't responsible for the problems that ACORN, Sarah Palin and "Joe" Wurzelbacher had. These groups/people themselves are responsible for what happened to them. The GOP is far behind in the polls because people are fed up with them blaming the problems of the USA on others even tho they have been in power for the past 2 terms. They blame Acorn, the Obama campaign, the minorities, the gays, the liberals, the government, the environmentalists, you name it. No word against the bankers and the corporations now greedily slicing up our tax dollars. No word against the illegal occupation of Iraq and the billions going down the drain there. No word against the torture going on in our name. No word about our jobs disappearing. No word against the shabby treatment our veterans are getting. No word against our sinking economy. No word against the pharmaceutical/insurance industries preventing us from having single-payer health care like the rest of the western nations. Please. Don't come here whining because Obama's campaign isn't lilly white and pure. Save your righteous indignation for your next call to right-wing radio and stop trying to con us into believing the GOP is best for America. We've seen a GOP America and it doesn't even look like America anymore.

Posted by: lohd on October 26, 2008 at 1:14 PM | PERMALINK

MRM, you obviously missed this:

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - Pennsylvania Republicans are disavowing an e-mail sent to Jewish voters that likens a vote for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama to events that led up to the Holocaust.

"Jewish Americans cannot afford to make the wrong decision on Tuesday, November 4th, 2008," the e-mail reads. "Many of our ancestors ignored the warning signs in the 1930s and 1940s and made a tragic mistake. Let's not make a similar one this year!"

A copy of the e-mail, provided by Democratic officials, says it was "Paid for by the Republican Federal Committee of PA - Victory 2008."

Care to keep insisting that Obama is the sleaziest politician since Nixon?

You keep it up, you'll make Norman Rodgers look like an ACLU member when you're finished.

Posted by: The Dark Avenger on October 26, 2008 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

the DINO needs to go. He has played to the worst of the McCain race baiting, along with Fox. He won't be respected by the GOP, so will get terrible committee asignments, without any seniority. The GOP will take him, desperate for every vote, but they know they can't count on Joe, as everyone knows now. I love the way he's trying to kiss up, but his career is toast.

Posted by: dbh on October 26, 2008 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

Senator Obama is a man of honor. He will NOT go after Senator Lieberman. He will likely disregard him one way or the other. The SENATE is an entirely different thing! Reid and several dem senator have already said they did not like his statements at the RNC convention and he was put on notice. He has been treated with a very cool and long pole since. HE knows what time it is

Posted by: v on October 26, 2008 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

Obama campaigned for Lieberman in his senate race in '06, and this was how Holy Joe showed his gratitude. He knows with Obama as party leader, he's going to end up with an office in a stall of a men's room off the parking lot. Sorry, at a certain point, party loyalty HAS to be enforced, or there really isn't any point in having parties.

Posted by: Geeno on October 26, 2008 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

Joe, your political career is over. You played your cards and you lost. You stuck your knife in the Dems back, and they aren't going to forget that.

Posted by: Karen on October 26, 2008 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

Dear Connecticut neighbors,

You let Joe slip through last time. Tuns out to have been a mistake, the other guy would have been a far better choice.

Ok, let's just don't let it happen again. Joe is absolutely no longer the respected senator that we once knew and admired around the country.

He has revealed a side of his character that I was unaware of, and I do not want to see him represent the great state of Connecticut again.


Posted by: MaryC3 on October 26, 2008 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

Dear Connecticut neighbors,

You let Joe slip through last time. Tuns out to have been a mistake, the other guy would have been a far better choice.

Ok, let's just don't let it happen again. Joe is absolutely no longer the respected senator that we once knew and admired around the country.

He has revealed a side of his character that I was unaware of, and I do not want to see him represent the great state of Connecticut again.


Posted by: MaryC3 on October 26, 2008 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

Dear Connecticut neighbors,

You let Joe slip through last time. Tuns out to have been a mistake, the other guy would have been a far better choice.

Ok, let's just don't let it happen again. Joe is absolutely no longer the respected senator that we once knew and admired around the country.

He has revealed a side of his character that I was unaware of, and I do not want to see him represent the great state of Connecticut again.


Posted by: MaryC3 on October 26, 2008 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

There should be neither vengeance nor forgiveness for Joe Lieberman after this election.

His vote should be welcomed by the Democrats on those issues (many) where he still agrees with them.

But he should not under any circumstances be given any committee or sub-committee chairmanships and his committee assignments should be appropriate for someone who is not a member of either major party.

Even if the Democrats end up with 58 or 59 seats to 40 Republicans in the Senate, Joe has proven that he can't be counted on to provide that last vote for cloture on critical bills. It isn't just the issues, he has on several occassions made statements that seem specifically designed to damage the Democratic party.

Posted by: tanstaafl on October 26, 2008 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

Beings how Joe Lieberman ENDORSED John McCain on December 17, 2007, it shows he clearly didn't care WHO the nominee of the Democratic Party was going to be. My question is would he have attacked any of the other candidates, especially Hillary Clinton, if she happened to be the nominee. My guess is yes.

Therefore, since he DIDN'T care, why should the Dems?

Kick his ASS to the curb - PERMANENTLY!

Posted by: Dave, San Diego on October 26, 2008 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

Too late Joe, we don't want you in the democratic party anymore. Talking about Benedict Arnold.

Posted by: on October 26, 2008 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK

Too late Joe, we don't want you in the democratic party anymore. Talking about Benedict Arnold.

Posted by: on October 26, 2008 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK

Joe just say "GOODBYE!"

Posted by: SA SMITH on October 26, 2008 at 1:43 PM | PERMALINK

Stick a fork in him....!!He's done...

Posted by: chabuka on October 26, 2008 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman is corrupt, self serving, and has been a detriment to the American people. He's anti middle class, weak on foreign policy, and partisan.

He is one of the causes of the problems in Washington over the past two decades and he is not part of any solution.

Posted by: Dave from queens on October 26, 2008 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman gambled that his choice would get him a prime job in a Republican administration. He had bad judgement and told a lot of lies about Obama and was anything BUT respectful. It's too late Joe and now the chickens are coming home to roost and you are the one who is going to be in the frying pan.

Posted by: Debra on October 26, 2008 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

The people of Conn. ought to petition Lieberman to resign. The man is not honorable and has no place in the Senate. I hope the DEMs turn a cold shoulder to him in January.

Posted by: xargaw on October 26, 2008 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman to be made Head Janitor and McCain his Assistant at the Capitol. For the horrible things they have said about Barack personally, terrorist, traitor, socialists, etc. They warrant nothing higher.

Posted by: Christy on October 26, 2008 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

Unfortunately, Lieberman's likely to be at the center of focus as (pray God) President Obama tries to bring a new kind of unity to this country. If he cannot make progress on that front, at this time, then I truly fear for our future. There is an opportunity today to begin a healing, and a turning away from the most destructive influences on our politics, and I would feel compelled to support President Obama in pursuing that.

For those reasons I would find Lieberman's decision to back McCain is forgivable (this is a democracy, after all), and I think I could even forget the disingenuous and destructive things Lieberman's said in the process.

What I cannot forgive or forget is that during the most serious crises of modern American history, Lieberman did not abandon him when the elderly McCain put *Country Last* by placing Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from the Presidency. By campaigning for McCain-Palin, Lieberman confirmed for me beyond any doubt that he's in this entirely to serve himself - Americans be damned, for generations to come.

In response to THIS betrayal, I feel Democrats must slam the door on him. This was the real betrayal - not of the Democratic Party, but of America.

Posted by: True on October 26, 2008 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman is not even worth a "fuck off" reaction. When his name is called for a vote, the entire floor should say "who?" and when he talks, leave the floor.

Posted by: Kay on October 26, 2008 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman's behavior is disgraceful. He has behaved in very dishonorable ways. I hope that the voters of Connecticut have the intelligence to kick him out of his job, and that he is kicked off of every committee assignment in the Senate.

Posted by: Caroline Ford on October 26, 2008 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

Sen. Lieberman has convictions, they are all self serving, that's the problem. He should be serving his country and his own.

Posted by: Craig Urquhart on October 26, 2008 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman's behavior is disgraceful. He has behaved in very dishonorable ways. I hope that the voters of Connecticut have the intelligence to kick him out of his job, and that he is kicked off of every committee assignment in the Senate.

Posted by: Caroline Ford on October 26, 2008 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is a piece of garbage. Put him in the dumpster and let him rot untill maggots eat his flesh.

Posted by: Murray Schwartz on October 26, 2008 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

This guy looks like Senator Palpatine from Star Wars...you know, the Emporer? Except he wasn't smart enough to choose Obama. He's like the Emporer who chose an ewok instead of Luke...

This man practiced politics by cronyism. He should be voted out of office, and I will donate to his opponents when he is up for reelection. I also believe he should be booted from the Democratic Caucus, should his vote prove unnecessary.

Posted by: brizzle on October 26, 2008 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

This guy looks like Senator Palpatine from Star Wars...you know, the Emporer? Except he wasn't smart enough to choose Obama. He's like the Emporer who chose an ewok instead of Luke...

This man practiced politics by cronyism. He should be voted out of office, and I will donate to his opponents when he is up for reelection. I also believe he should be booted from the Democratic Caucus, should his vote prove unnecessary.

Posted by: brizzle on October 26, 2008 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

Worst thing is the Democratic Caucus may accept him back if they get around 58 seats in the Senate.

Lieberman would be one of the easiest guys to switch presumably(all that talk about him joining the Republican caucus has got to be hogwash now...)

If the magic 60-seats materialized however, then the caucus should throw Joe right under the bus, excommunicate him from the caucus, and piss on his political grave.

Unfortunately Lieberman might just survive another close-shave.

Posted by: Chris on October 26, 2008 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, if Lieberman is the last vote that prevents a Republican filibuster in the Senate, so be it. Obama still has to govern and he needs the numbers to do it. Let's reconcile the party and give the guy a pass.

Posted by: Glen Huntsberger, Santa Rosa, CA on October 26, 2008 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

Senator Whitehouse from RI stated that the Democrats don't need 60 votes to win a filibuster. He argues that the perks of the Presidency can easily sway at least 3 or 4 Republican holdouts and therefore 56 or 57 seats are plenty. It's likely the people will get 57 or 58, (though 62 is possible). That's certainly enough to fire Joe Lieberman.

I say kick Lieberman off leadership of all committees save one more minor committee. Then lets watch him grovel for the next 2 years as he tries to keep that one committee.

Posted by: mark on October 26, 2008 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman is an opportunist who does whatever is best for him. He doesn't care about either party. Why in the world would anyone vote for him?

Posted by: Liz on October 26, 2008 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

The first change that needs to take place when Mr. Obama takes office is for him to strip Joe Lieberman of his chair because no one likes or respects a trader. This opportunist has reeked havoc for too long. He acts like a two year old so the Democrats should treat him like one. It's not like he wasn't warned mam to man about his lies by Obama himself.

Posted by: Fish on October 26, 2008 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK

The first change that needs to take place when Mr. Obama takes office is for him to strip Joe Lieberman of his chair because no one likes or respects a trader. This opportunist has reeked havoc for too long. He acts like a two year old so the Democrats should treat him like one. It's not like he wasn't warned mam to man about his lies by Obama himself.

Posted by: Fish on October 26, 2008 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Posted by: Conrad's Ghost on October 26, 2008 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

Actually not kicking Joe out of the party might be a better tactical choice. He must be feeling pretty vulnerable right now, something is pulling very tight around his privates. Leave Joe in the party and he will be an obedient lap dog. "Joe vote yes." "Joe vote no." "Joe go get us some coffee." He could be useful pawn.

Posted by: Seccession on October 26, 2008 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

Joe needs to read these comments, otherwise, no point made. Copy and send to his Senate Office.

Posted by: Jason on October 26, 2008 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK


Its just business, Sonny, said Michael.

Godfather

Joes role post election will be determined by the election. Yes there will be a price, a pound of flesh and Joe will squirm and twist. In the end, the election result will decide whether we need Joe or not.

Posted by: Big Dob on October 26, 2008 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

The democrats should have no tolerance for these self-preserving comments by Lieberman. They need to teach him a lesson,and banish him to the "downsized" republican side of the aisle.

Posted by: rsh on October 26, 2008 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

Nothing that Joe leiberman says or does siprises me,first he loves McSame,then he loves Gov.Palin then the joy ride gets a little bumpy and he starts kissing up to Sen.Obama.He has no true alliegance but to his own self serving political being.I say the Dems are better off with out him.

Posted by: Bob on October 26, 2008 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK


HEY JOE! I THINK THEY'VE GOT YOUR NUMBER:


"Lieberman is a deep Israeli mole planted by the Mossad many years ago. He is neither republican nor democrat, he just does whatever his masters in Tel Aviv ask him to.
Now, it looks like they are asking him to prepare for an Obama victory."
Posted by: Dave on October 26, 2008 at 10:39 AM


"LIEberman -- American Jewry has never before produced a such a disgraceful and shameful representative. My deepest hope is that this race-baiting Judas is swiftly relegated to this trash bin of history. The good Lord has a special place for Jews who grovel at the feet of Anti-Semites like Hagee, exchange the wholesale Christianization of America for political capital, and engage in fear-mongering whispering campaigns among Holocaust survivors in Miami Beach. Thank goodness my community appears to have withstood his transparent onslaught. A special place, indeed."
Posted by: david cohen on October 26, 2008 at 10:43 AM


"Joe Lieberman is a traitor to his country and to his community. No Disneyland endings for your snarky little ego-trip into Zell Miller land.
We will NEVER FORGET, Joe...NEVER."

Go away - and take your rightwingnut AIPAC and Zionist 'pals' with you.
Posted by: mommadona on October 26, 2008 at 10:46 AM


"...Apparently Joe's obsession with ratcheting up war in Iraq (& Iran) was his undoing. That, and his puzzling relationship with Lindsey Graham."
Posted by: Barbon on October 26, 2008 at 10:52 AM


"...there's more here than just partisan allegiance. Lieberman went Republican because he felt the Democrats aren't willing enough to bomb the crap out of the Muslim world in an effort to make the middle east safe for far-right Likud nutjobs. So there are honest differences of policy here..."
Posted by: liberal on October 26, 2008 at 11:46 AM


UNFORTUNATELY...

"this scheming, duplicitous asshole isn't going anywhere -- not unless aipac signs off."
Posted by: linda on October 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM

Posted by: JORGE999 on October 26, 2008 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

I say keep him in the caucus. No bigger punishment than having a man serve a purpose he tried to overthrow.

Posted by: Soot on October 26, 2008 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

The Publicans were right in 2000 when they named him Loserman.

Posted by: Frank on October 26, 2008 at 3:21 PM | PERMALINK

Joe is just being an "Abramoff pseudo-politician" that sees Obama's famous "pie" drifting very far away from him. It is telling how much Joe is "Stomach first, then country." Unfortunately for Joe, the era of cable TV & Youtube makes archiving much more simpler & anti-amnesis.
Instead of "purging his sorry ass" as suggested by a contributor to this forum, it'll be preferable to corner him in his "independence" agenda, but make sure his re-election would be impossible by using his own words in ads.

Posted by: Buba on October 26, 2008 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

Campaign rhetoric is just rhetoric. If politicians and their supporters didn't move beyond the mud slinging after the election, we would stay angry. Not a constructive mindset. The country is more important than vendettas.

Ladies and gentlemen, concern trolling at its finest. If this wasn't the image you were trying for, try a different message--one that isn't blithely ignorant of Lieberman's history of back-stabbing.

Courting Lieberman's vote and trying to get him to be one of your 60 is about as effective as trying to get a moderate Republican on board. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The difference here is that Lieberman has a powerful position on a committee we desperately need to be run and run well, with which he does nothing whatsoever of substance.

When we needed him to caucus with the Democrats in order to preserve our majority, that was one thing. That was a calculus, however distasteful, that added up in our favor.

That is no longer the case. Nor will be be the case for the remainder of Lieberman's term, after which he will /not/ be coming back for another, not with his reelect numbers in CT.

The fact is, we need to make an example of Lieberman--otherwise we're essentially saying that you can run against the party's nominee as an Independent, relentlessly bash the party and its leaders over nearly a decade, endorse the opposition for President and campaign for them, and essentially do everything short of explicitly register as a Republican, and still caucus with the Democrats and keep your plush committee assignments.

FUCK THAT. Elections have consequences. And it's long past time that Lieberman learn that so do his own actions.

This isn't about whether or not we have a big tent in our party. It's about whether or not having a tent has any meaning at all.

Posted by: Catsy on October 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

Jo Jo must go go.

Posted by: JL on October 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

Joe, Joe, Joe or should I say "Hey Joe" or just "Joe the Senator"?

Get ready for the "guilt by association" to begin! I stopped respecting you when you went "maverick" on us. Now the best thing you can do is scream at the top of your lungs you were REALLY WRONG and beg forgiveness (What were you thinking?).

It's not too late to "feel the force and leave the dark side"!

BTW: Give my regards to Palin and Good Luck.

Posted by: CaptD on October 26, 2008 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

Kick him to the curb, like he kicked his party to the curb. He is as deep in this mess and his progranda speaking buddy. BYE, BYE JOE, MAYBE JOE THE PLUMBER GOT A JOB FOR YOU.

Posted by: JACKIE on October 26, 2008 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman will kiss anyone's butt who will help him stay in power. He's a slimy rat who knows McCain's ship is sinking. Hopefully he'll lose any power he had in the Senate when Obama wins, and finally be voted out of office the next time around.

Posted by: Maine Hates McCain on October 26, 2008 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

It is important to move beyond political rhetoric. Party loyalty is also vitally important. I've said it before, kick Mr. Lieberman to the other side of the aisle. He can not be relied upon to support the Democratic party any longer. He's a traitor, not to the country, but to the party. If he had been a gracious loser, and mr. Lamont eventually screwed up, he could have run for re-election. But no, he fractured the party in Connecticut, gave the Republicans in Connecticut someone to rally around and then went on to try to fracture the party nationally. We don't him and hopefully, we won't need him.

Posted by: dave78981 on October 26, 2008 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

That should read: "We don't want him..."

Posted by: dave78981 on October 26, 2008 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

What an opportunistic scumbag Joe Lieberman is.... Bottom line for him-- let's be honest, for a change?-- has always been "What's good for Israel will guide my politics" in his mind. So like most of the neocon community-- and like his "people" for generations now-- he's behind whoever it is who he believes will advance his Zionist agenda. (OK-- bring on the tired accusations of antisemitism now, Abraham Foxman et al!)

Posted by: Steve04074 on October 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK

lieberman blew it. he is a turncoat and ratfink. he deserves the wrath he is about to get from the dems. can you hear that joe? it's the fat lady and she is singing.

Posted by: kel on October 26, 2008 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman = Opportunist.
This guy is incredible. Like the Democrats will believe that the boy who cried "Palin is ready" among other ridiculous lies is "respectful" of anything but his own chances.

Posted by: AMark on October 26, 2008 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINK

Joeseph lieberman has been the decideing vote for some time in the senate. Now with so much change in the party make up, dem's may not need him as much. However, it's not wrong to stay beside a friend and support them, as lieberman has done. But, HOW you do it, and what you say that is untrue against the other fellow is what marks you as good or bad! JOe said a lot of things that was very bad and out right lie's about Obama! That won't be forgotten soon! But there is a lot of things about this election that will soon not be forgotten by all americans.I would approach every one of you not to use his faith as a jew to put him or any one down when they do wrong. Your faith should not be part of our goverment as a crutch,stunt,or used to benefit one. That is why religeon and state is seperated.

Posted by: nccole treadway on October 26, 2008 at 3:54 PM | PERMALINK

Well, perhaps we should turn a blind eye to the past behavior, assuming we get exactly 60 senate seats and he's the 60th Democrat (including in this calculation Bernie Sanders as a Democrat). Then we don't want him helping to fillibuster parts of the Obama agenda, so we should play nice.

Posted by: Dudical on October 26, 2008 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

lieberman is as pathetic as mccain. both need to crawl back under the rocks they came out of. they jumped the shark along time ago.

the citizens of their states deserve better.

Posted by: WhenPigsFly on October 26, 2008 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK

Can we appoint him ambassador to Neptune?

Posted by: pwn3rship society on October 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

Let's not wring our hands too much about needing Joe for a 60 vote super-majority. This isn't just about us needing Joe, Joe needs us. Remember that, Joe needs us. Joe needs the limelight. Joe needs to be relevant. Joe needs to be on Sunday TV shows. Joe is self-serving and delusional, but he's not a complete idiot, he sees the writing on the wall, and he'd rather have power, than not. He can continue to be the Republican's favorite pseudo-Democrat but the who cares? if that party is neutered and irrelevant.

I don't believe in smiting all enemies, but they do need to show they do not mistake Democratic kindness for weakness. So, let's watch after Nov 4, shall we, Joe, do you know the difference?

Posted by: Massvoter on October 26, 2008 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman must have forgotten the things he said at the republican convention. The truth of the matter is "WE DON'T WANT YOU JOE." You can join John McCain in Arizona where you can sit in your rocking chair.

Posted by: Eddie on October 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM | PERMALINK

Boot him out of the party, and let him be glad this isn't Paris during the French Revolution.

Posted by: yale on October 26, 2008 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK

Joe all the democratic party needs to block a filibuster is 60 democrats. Seeing you are an independent, if we get sixty democrats you can go where you want.

The problem is Lieberman is a Judas Goat. You never know which way he is going to go. He will kiss you on the cheek and betray you in the same breath.

Posted by: Eddie on October 26, 2008 at 4:37 PM | PERMALINK

First let's send this rat packing out of national politics and then in Connecticut ship him off to Alaska with Palin his next time up for reelection.

Posted by: mike on October 26, 2008 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

First let's send this rat packing out of national politics and then in Connecticut ship him off to Alaska with Palin his next time up for reelection.

Posted by: mike on October 26, 2008 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

Forget about Liebermann. He is totally irrelavent. He does not deserve to be a member of the Democratic party or recognized as such.

Posted by: Vgirl1 on October 26, 2008 at 4:52 PM | PERMALINK

If this election turns out to produce a large margin of victory for the Democrats, the GOP will shift well to right after the election.
I cannot imagine them providing a home to Lieberman, so the Democratic leadership will have little need to give anything to Lieberman.
Sen Lieberman had a powerful position in the Senate which he has gambled for his own personal agenda. Should it turn out the McCain loses the election and that power base is gone, we the voters of Connecticut will be asking for an accounting from our Senator on what he had done for the people of Connecticut

Posted by: Pat Rowe on October 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

If this election turns out to produce a large margin of victory for the Democrats, the GOP will shift well to right after the election.
I cannot imagine them providing a home to Lieberman, so the Democratic leadership will have little need to give anything to Lieberman.
Sen Lieberman had a powerful position in the Senate which he has gambled for his own personal agenda. Should it turn out the McCain loses the election and that power base is gone, we the voters of Connecticut will be asking for an accounting from our Senator on what he had done for the people of Connecticut

Posted by: Pat Rowe on October 26, 2008 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK

When next Joe Lieberman has to run for re-election, he should put his face on both sides of a weathervane, to "clarify" his position on issues......

Posted by: Peter WORMER on October 26, 2008 at 4:57 PM | PERMALINK

This one "Joe" no one will ever want again: Joe "The Ho" Lieberman. He is truly loathsome!

Posted by: TAIsabel on October 26, 2008 at 5:11 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks to nicole treadway for putting so succinctly what I needed five paragraphs to say - don't use someone's religion (country of origin, race, sexual preference, whatever) to put them down for what they personally have done wrong. That act is the essence of prejudice/racism/anti-semitism, conflating someone's identity group with their personal actions. In other words don't blame the Jews for Lieberman (or the Assemblies of God for Palin, for that matter).
As for what the Dems should do with him? He served the party's purposes quite nicely in 2000 when Gore needed someone who had spoken out against CLinton's shameful personal conduct, in order to distance himself. If the Democrats are going to succeed in governing with a huge majority in all three houses (including the White one) then even people they find distasteful (Zell, Joe, anti-abortion Bob Casey Jr., etc.) will need to be under the tent. Otherwise every GOP charge about a narrow agenda and a Democratic orthodoxy becomes true and the supermajority lasts exactly 2 years, just like it did early in the Clinton administration. Govern well, govern with a broad coalition, or you won't govern for long.

Posted by: Yonatan on October 26, 2008 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK

He has completely lost his marbles. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. What a fool!!

Posted by: natalie on October 26, 2008 at 5:22 PM | PERMALINK

LIE berman is scum of the earth, a real backstabber.

He belongs in the McCain bunker as the strains of Gotterdamerung rise from the pyre.

Posted by: gorgonzola on October 26, 2008 at 5:29 PM | PERMALINK

He is the ultimate opportunist. Disgusting.

Posted by: Ari on October 26, 2008 at 5:36 PM | PERMALINK

yonatan' you are right on.very eloquent,and fair and balanced.

Posted by: thunderbird on October 26, 2008 at 5:37 PM | PERMALINK

Rick G said it aptly in his post (the first) Lieberman sees his committee chairmanship drifting away with McCains election. Back at the beginning of the campaign most of CT was embarrassed and angry that being Democratic was his party until it became advantageous to him to switch alliegences. What many do not know,those who do not live in the Northeast, is that Lieberman shifted parties to Independent when he lost his nomination to run as a Democrat in the Senatorial election. Rejected by his own party, Lieberman ran as an Independant to get the Republican vote. It is unfortunate that Senators can remain in office 6 years. He should be viewed as a pariah. Few should forget that he clasped tightly to Gore's leg in 2000 as a Democrat running as VP. His interests lie in his own status and massive ego. He saw himself as Secretary of Defense...tough nuts, Joe.

Posted by: Wallysmom on October 26, 2008 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman proved that he is not the Jr. Senator from CT, rather the SR Sentaor from Israel. Country first means the USA Joe. Not the
yoru religon

Posted by: Political realist on October 26, 2008 at 5:51 PM | PERMALINK

Anyone else reminded of rats and sinking ships !

Posted by: Stevie 57 on October 26, 2008 at 6:02 PM | PERMALINK

you appear have made a singular accomplishment.

The anti-Semites and the Jews both oppose you.
Now how often does THAT happen?

Posted by: Steve from Somerset on October 26, 2008 at 6:11 PM | PERMALINK

I knew there had to be a reason why he was sitting on the fence. Shame on you. I think that if Obama wins, he and Biden, should give him something small and away from the media where he can't talk to anyone.
If I was Obama/Biden I would bring this up .... Joe who endorsed Mccain has now changed his mind and wants to get off the fence ... and come back home.

Posted by: lwilkerson on October 26, 2008 at 6:21 PM | PERMALINK

the only thing he's always been is a piece of @#&%.

Posted by: Preemptive Love on October 26, 2008 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK

Fuck the traitor. Throw him under the bus he deserves.

Posted by: star the wonder pup on October 26, 2008 at 6:37 PM | PERMALINK

I have to agree with most on here, this man (LIEBERMAN) is a sleaze and where I come from (which is New York City...America) he is considered a TRAITOR.

One more thing.
If I hear "ELOQUENT" one more time, I am going to lose it. Its the same as saying a Black person is said "he/she speaks so well".

RACIST.

Posted by: on October 26, 2008 at 6:39 PM | PERMALINK
Yes, but... If he's the difference between 59 and 60, then make a deal.

60 votes in the caucus means nothing.
51 votes in the caucus means "we control the leadership and committee chairs".
60 votes on a particular bill means "we can cut off a filibuster", but no deal you are going to cut is going to guarantee Lieberman's there when you need him on a bill.

Cutting a deal to keep 60 votes in the caucus makes no sense.

Posted by: cmdicely on October 26, 2008 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman reminds me of the Ol' Gil character on The Simpsons...especially now he's begun groveling.

Posted by: Navy_VET_EOD on October 26, 2008 at 6:47 PM | PERMALINK

Re: Yonatan on October 26, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Yonatan, whoever you are, thanks for showing how a real American should speak, one who respects and fights for their country. Internet blog posts are mostly a giant sewer where people bring out the worst instincts in one another, and perhaps part of the race to the bottom in the last 3 elections. You are an exception.

Posted by: Patriot on October 26, 2008 at 6:52 PM | PERMALINK

Right on!!

Posted by: Leonidas on October 26, 2008 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK

Right on!!

Posted by: Leonidas on October 26, 2008 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK

Right on!!

Posted by: Leonidas on October 26, 2008 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is an opportunist. He'd sell his own mother and soul to be in the executive branch. Since he could never do it himself, he tried to cling onto both Gore and McCain. This guy is a disgrace!
The Dems should dump his sorry ass from committee chairmanship posts and place him on the Alaskan pipe line detail.This guy is a joke~!

Posted by: savoymt on October 26, 2008 at 6:58 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is an opportunist. He'd sell his own mother and soul to be in the executive branch. Since he could never do it himself, he tried to cling onto both Gore and McCain. This guy is a disgrace!
The Dems should dump his sorry ass from committee chairmanship posts and place him on the Alaskan pipe line detail.This guy is a joke~!

Posted by: savoymt on October 26, 2008 at 6:58 PM | PERMALINK

It's one thing to not support Obama but it's something quite different to go out and attack him on national tv at the republican convention while he's trying to win the presidency. For him to stand there and say I'm a Democrat and I'm voting for McCain is the sleeziest thing a politician can do. The Democratic Party, Conneticut, and the United States government would be better off without Joe Lieberman.

Joe Lieberman, YOU'RE FIRED!

Posted by: zetacplus on October 26, 2008 at 7:08 PM | PERMALINK

Seems Joe has been given a "bye" for far to long by his party peers. Time to move beyond his ability to make any news and relegate him to the judgment of his/her/their story.

Posted by: structurequity on October 26, 2008 at 7:11 PM | PERMALINK

yonotan, & nicole treadway, i agree -

"...don't use someone's religion (country of origin, race, sexual preference, whatever) to put them down for what they personally have done wrong..."

except.... what do you do when someone does something wrong as a direct result of their religion? joe lieberman himself puts his jewishness (and support for israel) ahead of what is right for the usa and for the world. i find it just as appalling as the behavior of radical ismalist fundamentalists, or radical right-wing christians. i believe in separation of church from state, whatever religion, whatever state. oh lord, please save us from your followers!

while i certainly hope folks don't blame jews like myself for the actions of joe hebrewman, i certainly think it is legitimate for joe to be punished by the democratic party for his actions. as long as the democrats have a 51 person majority, i do not care which party joe is in - it's the majority that is important, & that's the only reason hebrewman wasn't booed earlier. whether the actual count is 52, 58, 62, 60, it does not matter. a filibuster will or will not be effective depending on how senators vote, not on what "party" they are affiliated with.

but, absolutely - joe should be stripped of every committee he is even remotely associated with. and he should not be allowed to caucus w/the democrats. let him call himself whatever he wants...

Posted by: doug s. on October 26, 2008 at 7:16 PM | PERMALINK

LIEberman should stand squarely in the middle of the circular firing squad that has become the McCain campaign and take what he deserves. There's a term for someone who sells themselves to any Tom, Dick or John...

Posted by: tucsonkid on October 26, 2008 at 7:19 PM | PERMALINK

HIT THE BRICKS Lieberman, you are a TRADER and there's no way in Hell the Dems would take you back, President Obama will not forget those things you said about him, "NO WAY NO HOW No JOE" Now stay over there with your NEO-CONS

Posted by: Bill in Ct. on October 26, 2008 at 7:24 PM | PERMALINK

Mr. Quisling. Two-faced opportunist thought he would get a cabinet post or some position where he doesn't have to show his true colours. Despicable man, Dems should cut him loose immediately if not sooner...

Posted by: aradiBP on October 26, 2008 at 7:24 PM | PERMALINK


"Lieberman, in other words, has to hope Democrats haven't been paying any attention at all."

Or else what, Comrade?

You guys have way too many hangups these days. Obama's no progressive. He's an authoritarian control freak served by lackeys and court poets.


"The Party is supposed to forget..."
The Party, The Party, always The Party. Party First, not country, not people. No freedom, no integrity.

Lieberman is right about Obama; he doesn't put country first. That's why he attracts so many screwballs who, after years of incognito, HOPE to stage a version of Revenge of the [Radical] Nerds.

Thing is though, The Party apparatchiks (who are pencil-pushers, not hammer-holders anyway) don't get it. Obama doesn't put Party First either. It's Obama First, and you're all negotiable.

Posted by: little otik on October 26, 2008 at 7:35 PM | PERMALINK

Who is this guy? I think he has a personality disorder. Get some help Joe.

Posted by: robind on October 26, 2008 at 7:38 PM | PERMALINK

What a weasel. His new assignment should be as chairman of the Senate Select Commitee on Bathroom Etiquette and Flatuence. I suspect, given his current loyalties, that'll be a pretty close bet on what really happens.

Posted by: billbb on October 26, 2008 at 7:42 PM | PERMALINK

I simply can't believe that I wasted my vote on this little asshole (the Senator from Tel Aviv) in 2000. He is a disgrace to this country and to the Jewish people. America is YOUR country Joe...

Posted by: Len S. on October 26, 2008 at 7:46 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman is a liar and an opportunist at best and much, much worst. He has no sense of loyalty or conscience. He will say and/or do anything to get his way. Any wonder he is with the McCain/Palin campaign. I hope the people of Connecticut fire him and relegate him to obscurity.

Posted by: AKAChip on October 26, 2008 at 7:50 PM | PERMALINK

Please don't appoint Lieberman Ambassador to Canada. Sure it might get his face off the American news, but the US Ambassador is often in the Canadian news--why punish us?

Posted by: ZekeCDN on October 26, 2008 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

Joe's just like the republicans - he talks out of both sides of his mouth. I hope the Democrats nail him to the wall!!

Posted by: Good memory on October 26, 2008 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

Little otik shows us that projection isn't just for the movies anymore. Every charge he hurls at Obama is so much more clearly applicable to McCain:

"He's an authoritarian control freak served by lackeys and court poets."

"The Party, The Party, always The Party. Party First, not country, not people. No freedom, no integrity."

"It's Obama First, and you're all negotiable."

After eight years, this spew has become very tired.

Posted by: jjcomet on October 26, 2008 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

I saw this on lieberwatch blogspot a while back:

"We should be careful here in Connecticut to remember that Joe Lieberman is not just the shame of our state, he's a national disgrace. This man who purports to be an avatar of civility and decency in politics casually labels anyone who disagrees with him a traitor (as he did at the Petraeus hearings), a defeatist (as he did... earning a well-deserved bitchslapping from Chuck Hagel) or a liar (as he called Ned Lamont during their last debate).

For all his reputation in punditland as a good and decent man, the record shows that Lieberman is a vicious punk and gutter political thug."
posted by Concerned In Connecticut

Interesting that the ideologue LIEberman continues being a thorn in our side, attacking Obama.
"Fightin' Joe" is arrogant and self-serving, with his eye on what's left of the taxpayers' treasury in Washington for war, more war.
Abandoning any sense of integrity or honesty, how many times has Lieberman joined Sean Hannity for anti-Democratic Party rants that are not harmless politics.
He is a disgrace.

Posted by: keep up the great posting on October 26, 2008 at 7:58 PM | PERMALINK

The choice was yours and now you have to live with your decision to mock Obama and join forces with McCain. Take responsibility Joe. I would say your chairmanship is history.

Posted by: Brianna on October 26, 2008 at 7:58 PM | PERMALINK

Joe the Schmuck

What more can be said? Oi Vey. A Jew who celebrates a candidate who extols the virtues of Westbrook Pegler's values? How many times can a guy sell his soul?

Posted by: Ella on October 26, 2008 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK

LOL

I think 228 comments in 11 hours pretty much says it all with respect to the irrepressible Lieberman.

Posted by: garyb50 on October 26, 2008 at 8:09 PM | PERMALINK

I hope Obama isn't like the typical democrat, a PUSSY...! I hope that Obama wins and kick this traitor to the curve for real for real!!! Like, "get that fuck out of my face" kind of...!!!

Posted by: roch20 on October 26, 2008 at 8:09 PM | PERMALINK

re: the 60th vote.

We dont need to kiss Lieberman's a$$ for the 60th vote the way we do for 50. The leadership vote is winner take all for who leads the next 2 years. The fillibuster breaking 60th vote is decided on a vote by vote basis. Whether he is an I,D or R he will vote how he wants.

I suppose they could give him a chairmanship in exchange for a promise to never vote against cloture, but let him vote his conscience in the final vote. I don't see that happening or him keeping his word when it matters. I think he's out of chips to cash. Maybe they'll give him committee memberships just to keep him from making trouble out of spite.

Posted by: Mike L. on October 26, 2008 at 8:11 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry Joe, you need to go.
I have seen enough of Lieberman to last me a lifetime.
After being a Democrat, then an independent, I suspect he will join the Republican party next.
I just hope whatever he does, he goes far, far away.

Posted by: Just_Joe on October 26, 2008 at 8:16 PM | PERMALINK

The only reason Joe L. supports Mac is that Joe is a fine Senator... From Tel Aviv!

Posted by: P. B. Rowe on October 26, 2008 at 8:22 PM | PERMALINK

The chipmunk always puts his country first. The USA is well down the list but Israel is always first.

Posted by: Vince Porter on October 26, 2008 at 8:25 PM | PERMALINK

I would've kicked him to the curb months ago. Lucky for Joe the Turncoat that Sen. Obama is a lot more forgiving than I am...

Obama-Biden 'o8! Yes We Can & Yes We Will!! (with, or without, Lieberman) Go Vote! Make history!!

Posted by: ChicagoSuz on October 26, 2008 at 8:25 PM | PERMALINK

Well I hope he feels better. If Dems need him to make the 60 he stays if we hit 62 he goes ;-) Politics.

Posted by: Dante Wolfe on October 26, 2008 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

I bet Hagel will caucus with the Dems.

Posted by: Iceman210 on October 26, 2008 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

I bet Hagel will caucus with the Dems.

Posted by: Iceman210 on October 26, 2008 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

There is no reason to keep the self serving little prick on hand. He's as opportunistic as anybody could be and if McBush was doing well, HoJo would be slamming Obama with glee and touting his "independent" status with his incredibly irritating righteousness.

Screw HoJo. He promoted McBush. He campaigned for McBush, he spoke at the f**king RepubCo convention for McBush, he criticized Obama for McBush. He kissed McBush's ass thinking that was the winning hand. And you can bet your ass that if McBush pulled this out that HoJo would be there with fellow asskisser, Lindsay Graham, waving from as close as he could get to the podium and the source of power.

HoJo is scum and he needs to go. There's a lot of jerks in congress but HoJo is right at the top.

Posted by: on October 26, 2008 at 8:32 PM | PERMALINK

There is no reason to keep the self serving little prick on hand. He's as opportunistic as anybody could be and if McBush was doing well, HoJo would be slamming Obama with glee and touting his "independent" status with his incredibly irritating righteousness.

Screw HoJo. He promoted McBush. He campaigned for McBush, he spoke at the f**king RepubCo convention for McBush, he criticized Obama for McBush. He kissed McBush's ass thinking that was the winning hand. And you can bet your ass that if McBush pulled this out that HoJo would be there with fellow asskisser, Lindsay Graham, waving from as close as he could get to the podium and the source of power.

HoJo is scum and he needs to go. There's a lot of jerks in congress but HoJo is right at the top.

Posted by: burro on October 26, 2008 at 8:32 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman SHOULD be removed and is not to be trusted by either party...he goes where the wind blows, and I for one wish the wind would blow him straight back to Connecticut.

Posted by: Yaelisa on October 26, 2008 at 8:37 PM | PERMALINK

Personally, I detest LIEberman more than any other politician. The Democrats should not caucus with the hypocrite and should go all out to defeat him when it is his time to run again. LIEberman is a traitor and a disgusting human being. No way, No how should the Democrats be associated with this slime bag in any way, shape or form. To hell with him.

Posted by: mark malone on October 26, 2008 at 8:40 PM | PERMALINK

While there is no guarantee at all that Obama-Biden will win, Obama strikes me as a very fair, even-tempered leader who would not stoop to spiteful acts of revenge. That said, Obama's not a pushover either, and if he wins I'm sure he will find some way to make balanced appointments based on merit.

Posted by: Amity on October 26, 2008 at 8:40 PM | PERMALINK

While there is no guarantee at all that Obama-Biden will win, Obama strikes me as a very fair, even-tempered leader who would not stoop to spiteful acts of revenge. That said, Obama's not a pushover either, and if he wins I'm sure he will find some way to make balanced appointments based on merit.

Posted by: Amity on October 26, 2008 at 8:40 PM | PERMALINK

The Senate leadership should send Joe over to the Whitehouse with a mop bucket and a bunch of toilet bowl cleaner and have him clean the stench from the place after bush leaves. It will need a good fumigating too and he can flush that turd out of the bunker where he's been hiding for some time.

Posted by: Wally on October 26, 2008 at 8:48 PM | PERMALINK

I think Lieberman is a disgrace. I definitely say boot him down the road. He disrespected Obama like a dirty little red headed step child of politics. He went dirty and he went low. Now he is painting himself as respectful of Obama? No way. Too late pal. Lieberman when it comes to the democratic party you my friend are now a pariah. You can't break bread with us politically anymore. You tried tainting Obama and putting out misleading and fear mongering accusations against him. You have no respect here. None.

Posted by: PoliticalDrama on October 26, 2008 at 8:53 PM | PERMALINK

2 words come to mind. SCUM-BAG!

SAY IT TOGETHER NOW.............

Posted by: Darryl Spence on October 26, 2008 at 9:04 PM | PERMALINK

This "zionist" is harming Israel for doing everything dishorable.

Posted by: ShameShame on October 26, 2008 at 9:21 PM | PERMALINK

The sanctimonious Joe Lieberman has been at the proverbial helm, cheerleading
the nation building perpetual project of the Iraq war and undeclared war
on terrorism with C student Dubya and Bottom of his Navy Class McCain.
Lieberman's participation in the Republican Convention was totally disgraceful.
Certainly this opportunistic pretender should assume the diminished stature of the role
he inevitably assured for himself.

Posted by: hope Joe's reading our posts on October 26, 2008 at 9:22 PM | PERMALINK

You never turned around to see the frowns on the jugglers and the clowns
When they all come down and did tricks for you
You never understood that it ain't no good
You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you
You used to ride on the chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
Ain't it hard when you discover that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

Posted by: on October 26, 2008 at 9:24 PM | PERMALINK

If reading this blog is what America has to look forward to under Obama you dems want be in power long. America is wanting our politicians to get along and get things done. Joe is a Great American and served his country well. Remember he was the VP in 2000. He and John McCain are long term friends that have worked on bills together. I sure he would rather give up some no nothing chair than a longtime friend. I am sure he a John McCain will retire at then end of their terms. If Obama screws things up he will be retired in 4 years. No one knows what he will do because he has no record to use as a guide.

Posted by: T-bo on October 26, 2008 at 9:32 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think he'll be exiled. I do think that his committee assignments will be changed to the most inappropriate committees possible and he will lose his seniority. He will definitely be minimized completely. He should thank his lucky stars that he isn't taken out and shot.

Posted by: Richard Bentley on October 26, 2008 at 9:38 PM | PERMALINK

The point is..NO ONE can trust Joe. I remember being in an air port hangar in Orlando back in 2000...for a rally with Lieberman. My hubby turned and looked at me and said..."I don't trust that guy"...guess I need to listen to him more.

Posted by: Marylou on October 26, 2008 at 9:38 PM | PERMALINK

The point is..NO ONE can trust Joe. I remember being in an air port hangar in Orlando back in 2000...for a rally with Lieberman. My hubby turned and looked at me and said..."I don't trust that guy"...guess I need to listen to him more.

Posted by: Marylou on October 26, 2008 at 9:39 PM | PERMALINK

Fuck Lieberman, the puta (whore).Let's ditch him when we can...

Posted by: paulavdw on October 26, 2008 at 9:40 PM | PERMALINK

lieberman has tried to make a career out of betting that people have a short memory.

he's screwed the pooch, this time, tho.

ya live like a whore, ya die like a whore...

Posted by: bruce on October 26, 2008 at 9:45 PM | PERMALINK

It was just in July that LIEberman verbally supported the likes of right winger and
hate mongerer Rush Limbaugh.
Lieberman praised the divisive operative of the republican right for his "love for our country
and support for our troops," adding, "Rush has a big voice but he has heart that is even bigger..."

Posted by: detractor of Joe LIEberman on October 26, 2008 at 10:05 PM | PERMALINK

I have long thought that I wouldn't mind if we got rid of anyone who is part of the problem, whether that person voted for the Iraq War like Kerry, Clinton, Edwards, etc, and especially now Liebermann if we increase our margin in the Senate, and particularly since he has been *ss-hole buddies with McCain for so long.

I'm glad I have a chance to address this situation though because I have recently begun to believe that anyone who voted for W in 2000 and 2004 is also part of the problems we face in this country. I drive around town and see all these W stickers on the Suburbans, minivans, and SUVs and I think, my IRA is down 40% and you are part of the problem because you mindlessly voted for George W. Bush twice. I don't want to be divisive, but I will say to anyone who will listen: if you don't want to be part of the problem, be part of the solution.

Posted by: ed bremson on October 26, 2008 at 10:07 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman's pathetic. He's been sucking up to the rightwing for years. He might as well join them.

Here's a pictoral essay set to music that sums up their campaign, party, and values. Take a minute (well, actually 3 minutes) and take a look.

If you know anyone who needs a reminder on what this whole election is about, please pass it on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8gJ_rPHXtk

Posted by: RDSOregon on October 26, 2008 at 10:15 PM | PERMALINK

Treat Joe with respect. Remember how the republicans treated those who went against party orthodoxy? look where it has led them. Don't let this upcoming win become about payback, or we'll be stuck sucking on the same crappy politics we've been with for the past 8 years. All this talk of stripping of committees, political vendettas, this is juvenile time wasted "settling scores". Let the democrats be better than that.

Posted by: jt on October 26, 2008 at 10:19 PM | PERMALINK

What a frickin' weasel. I agree with what billbb said, except this guy should be the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on WEASELS.

Posted by: buckeroo on October 26, 2008 at 10:25 PM | PERMALINK

It's wayyyy too late for sucking up Joe Leiberman. Barack Obama doesn't need you whispering "corrections" and "answers" in his ear, he thinks for himself and he's doing a great job! Time is ticking away Joe...tick tock,tick tock, too bad..so sad..bye bye.

Posted by: AustinNv on October 26, 2008 at 10:26 PM | PERMALINK

Sen. Joe Lieberman should be shown the same respect one shows excrement, flush it and wash your hands thoroughly.

Posted by: Emilio on October 26, 2008 at 10:35 PM | PERMALINK

If we have a majority of one, Lieberman is out. There have to be consequences.

Posted by: Jon on October 26, 2008 at 10:42 PM | PERMALINK

I agree whole-heartedly with Emilio: Lieberman should be treated with all the respect one shows for excrement, flushing it out and washing one's hands afterwards. Lieberman is an example of the worst kind of traitor to the democratic system, seeking election from his own party and then bailing out to support the opposition. Lieberman should be dragged to the "Democratic Party court" and kicked out of American political life once and for all.
If we can't handle our own party's leaders with clear-minded criticism, we'll not be able to change our country.

Posted by: Eriq on October 26, 2008 at 10:52 PM | PERMALINK

I admit that I would love to see the Democratic Party punish Lieberman severely for this pathetic opportunism.

He endorsed McCain for President knowing full well that the candidate he was endorsing holds no positions commensurate with Democratic principles. It was a craven and childish attempt to get on a presidential ticket.

When he was not chosen as VP you know he had to realize he was in big trouble. And when McCain starting tanking in the polls and he realized he chances of being Defense Secretary were tanking with them, you bet Lieberman realized he was in serious trouble.

The only reason why Lieberman has not changed parties is because he doesn't want to lose his precious chairmanship of the Armed Services Committee.

The Party should remove him from his chairmanship. Then we'll see how much integrity Joe has. Will he stay a Democrat like he claims to be? If he changes parties, he won't be re-elected in 2012.

I almost feel bad for him. If McCain loses, so does Lieberman.

Posted by: knights-tale on October 26, 2008 at 10:58 PM | PERMALINK

Kick him to the curb and don't look back.

He dang better be removed from Armed Service Committee. He should be censored....period.

Slink back into your hole Lieberman you will never speak for this Democrat again.

Posted by: Laurie on October 26, 2008 at 11:16 PM | PERMALINK

Sen. Joe Lieberman should be shown the same respect one shows excrement, flush it
-------------------------------------------
I agree totally!

Posted by: commonthought on October 26, 2008 at 11:18 PM | PERMALINK

The time has come to see if Joe Lieberman know how to man up.

Posted by: on October 26, 2008 at 11:22 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is fresh on the minds of many Democrats; the amount of monies that will be spent to defeat this man will come from all over America. It is not as if McCain is taking him down, he took himself down along with him.
I haven't had a drink in years, I will on the night of his defeat.
A traitor, a liar, and a sniveling coward has no place in the Democratic party.

Posted by: Anthony Look on October 26, 2008 at 11:29 PM | PERMALINK

Please stop the anti-Semitic rhetoric. You all should be more sensitive to racisim and bigotry since we have a candidate who's been unfairly attacked because of the color of his skin and his Muslim father. Feel free to criticize Joe the Creeps behavior, but don't sink to the lowest common denominator.

Posted by: Terru on October 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman, "Here's your hat-what's your hurry?"

Sorry about the big appointment you were hoping for; and,the VP no-go; and, the failed presidential campaign; and, what your status is going to be in the circles that count when this is over, and so on.

Quite a return on disloyalty isn't it? And all this failure achieved in the same year.

Say you respect Obama all you want. All you will have from his supporters is contempt.

Posted by: Carollynn on October 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM | PERMALINK

Say it aint so Joe. I can't believe this guy. Hm..ready to play nice I see. Lieberman should be thrown on his...by the democratic party. He and McCain both have disgraced themselves and they know it. Under the bus you go Joe! you aren't forgiven!

Posted by: hope on October 26, 2008 at 11:38 PM | PERMALINK

MY PRICK IS THICK AND REQUIRES A LICK. PLEASE PROVIDE ASSISTANCE IMMEDIATELY.

Posted by: Joe the Plumber on October 26, 2008 at 11:40 PM | PERMALINK

Self-Editing earlier comment at 12:08 10/26:

Let's IGNORE this IAGO. . .

Shakespeare always knows best.. . re-read OTHELLO [The Merchant of Venice (wrong play)] and see how LIEberman is such a perfect Iago.

Posted by: campi on October 26, 2008 at 11:50 PM | PERMALINK

hey look, it's 'Joe the snake'

Posted by: kwaz on October 26, 2008 at 11:57 PM | PERMALINK

joe lieberman is a scumbag.

Posted by: berooobeee on October 27, 2008 at 12:01 AM | PERMALINK

Please! Joe Lieberman is a turncoat of monumental proportions. He has no home. The Republicans don't want him and the Democrats can see that he is disloyal. Don't give him any power. Connecticut, please, send him home as soon as possible. Eight years ago, this man was a VP candidate for the Democratic party. And now he is in every scene with McCain or Palin.

Posted by: WGT on October 27, 2008 at 12:01 AM | PERMALINK

What is it about this guy. He is always trying to get into the pocket of the President or is he trying to get the President in his pocket. Lieberman gives the Jews people a bad name!

Posted by: Roaring Moose on October 27, 2008 at 12:04 AM | PERMALINK

Here in Connecticut, Joe, you are burnt toast. We won't be fooled again.

Posted by: Shinedownonme on October 27, 2008 at 12:08 AM | PERMALINK

It's clear that this guy only wants to ride with the winning side, which therefore means he only looks out for himself. Does he really think the American public is so dumb as to forget his temporary switch over to the other party? I don't see how anyone can take him seriously. He's a weasel, a career politician who deserves nothing more other than a boot out of office. Loser.

Posted by: Marv on October 27, 2008 at 12:34 AM | PERMALINK

traitor!! lol lol lol i feel sorry for this guy...

Posted by: fab5 on October 27, 2008 at 12:46 AM | PERMALINK

I hope the good people of Connecticut toss his tookas out of office. Please. He's getting more than embarassing... and to think there was a day I thought I respected him a bit. Oooof.

Posted by: Rhoda Kaye on October 27, 2008 at 12:48 AM | PERMALINK

Here's LIEberman in a nutshell:
"Obama's no good!"
"McCain's the guy you want!"
"Obama's gonna get us all killed!"
"McCain's m'boy!"
"Obama's gonna put us on the road to socialism!"
"Hey,what's wrong,JohnnyMac?"
"I'm losing...help me,Joe[cough]...help me.."
"[expletive]!"
"McCain's no good!"
"Obama's the guy you want!"
"I always liked me some Obama..."

Posted by: Passenger57 on October 27, 2008 at 12:59 AM | PERMALINK

Re "'I have a lot of respect for Sen. Obama. He's bright. He's eloquent.'"

Hey, Joe: Say 'He's clean' then beg absolution! On the grounds that White folks don't know any better! Resonates with your base!

Posted by: Soldier's Mom on October 27, 2008 at 1:00 AM | PERMALINK

...And I hope the good, Democratic people of Connecticut remember the way Joe selfishly and shamelessly attacked the nominee of our party-casting aside Democratic principles and ambitions, which are good for the whole country- in order to satisfy his friend John McCain. Who didn't put country first that time? Joe Lieberman is a disgrace, and I believe Dems will vote him out. Hopefully if Obama is elected, then Joe's situation becomes even more precarious. Vote him out, but strip him of his chairmanship first.

Ned Lamont anyone?

Posted by: 2 The Left on October 27, 2008 at 1:10 AM | PERMALINK

I have two pictures in my mind that no matter what I do, what I see, what I hear, or what I read I just can't erase; both continue to nauseate me: one is of john mccain obsequiously hugging geo. dubya shrub at the rebubbacan convention; the other, geo. dubya shrub kissing the quisling lieberman. All three can go to hell in a handbasket for all I care !

Posted by: USNA Ancient on October 27, 2008 at 1:19 AM | PERMALINK

No matter what, he needs to get booted, asap, from chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. It's dangerous to have an ooportunist conniving benedict arnold deciding the future of our national security. He also must get booted from the Armed Services subcommittee he chairs.

If they want to throw him a bone and keep him with the caucus, they can let him continue to chair the Subcommittee on Private Sector and Consumer Solutions to Global Warming and Wildlife Protection.

He's done in 2010. Strip the national security committee chairmanships though. That is essential.

Posted by: seth on October 27, 2008 at 1:25 AM | PERMALINK

The CT Democratic party should toss this turncoat OUT and bring back Ned LaMont if he'll even do it. Lieberman's a has-been. His lapdog function as McCain's fact-correcter was disgusting. I just hope there's enough of a margin of new Senators that they'll be able to strip him of his committee leadership...which they haven't been able to do up until now, or they would have forfeited their majority.

Posted by: LindaSutton on October 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM | PERMALINK

The CT Democratic party should toss this turncoat OUT and bring back Ned LaMont if he'll even do it. Lieberman's a has-been. His lapdog function as McCain's fact-correcter was disgusting. I just hope there's enough of a margin of new Senators that they'll be able to strip him of his committee leadership...which they haven't been able to do up until now, or they would have forfeited their majority.

Posted by: LindaSutton on October 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM | PERMALINK

THIS GUY HAS TO GO. HE HAS ONE THING IN COMMON WITH PALIN. BOTH LIKE TO BITE THE HANDS THAT FEED THEM. PALIN UNDERCUT THE POLITICIANS THAT HELPED HER ADVANCE IN ALASKA AND NOW SHE IS POISED TO DO THE SAME TO MCCAIN.

LIBERMAN FOLLOWS THE TIDE. HE THINKS HE IS BEING POLITICALLY SAVY WHEN HE TRIES TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS - DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS SHOULD REMEMBER WHAT MY GRANNY SAID ABOUT A TURNCOAT THAT LISTENS TO BOTH SIDE'S SECRETS. THEY ARE LIKE DOGS. "THE DOG THAT BRINGS A BONE WILL ALSO CARRY ONE." DON'T MEET WITH THIS GUY.

Posted by: CAM on October 27, 2008 at 1:35 AM | PERMALINK

The democrats should have seen him as the conniving, backstabbing traitor he is when he led the charge against Bill Clinton in 1998. Al Gore handicapped himself by picking Lieberman in 2000. After 9/11, Lieberman gave himself completely over to the Republican war machine, which eventually led to his defeat by Lamont in the primary in 06. And then he shamefully switched to "independent' to gain republican votes to defeat Lamont.

Kissing McCain's and Palin's ass, attacking Obama left and right, and spewing his crazy hate at the Republican convention is just adding insult to injury. He has been in bed with the Republicans for a decade now, and it's time to make him sleep in it.

This has been a long time coming, and the Democratic party would be best served by exiling him. He threw all his chips in on a McCain presidency and he lost big.

Strip his committees. He's toast in 2010 now that CT sees what a rat he is.

Posted by: seth on October 27, 2008 at 1:38 AM | PERMALINK

Who needs fence benders. My mother (I'm now 65 yres young so Lieberman hasn't anything on me) was Protestant, my father Jewish. We had no problems dealing with the difference way back in the '40's. Get a grip, Leiberman, sink in the quicksand you've put yourself in. Regardless of religion (I think religion is not supposed to be a part of the government of the United States), you just made a fool of yourself. Don't expect to get cake and pie once Obama wins. You're not a Democrat, you're a whiner.

Posted by: JVMullery on October 27, 2008 at 1:59 AM | PERMALINK

Who needs fence benders. My mother (I'm now 65 yres young so Lieberman hasn't anything on me) was Protestant, my father Jewish. We had no problems dealing with the difference way back in the '40's. Get a grip, Leiberman, sink in the quicksand you've put yourself in. Regardless of religion (I think religion is not supposed to be a part of the government of the United States), you just made a fool of yourself. Don't expect to get cake and pie once Obama wins. You're not a Democrat, you're a whiner.

Posted by: JVMullery on October 27, 2008 at 1:59 AM | PERMALINK

fuckin lousy jews

Posted by: james power on October 27, 2008 at 2:00 AM | PERMALINK

Well, it's looking like his slimy friend Benjamin Netanyahu might be able to find a place for him. Go home Joe!

Posted by: Squeaky McCrinkle on October 27, 2008 at 2:31 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberman=JUDAS, no matter which side of the isle you are from. Leave garbage where it belongs outside on the street.....no more Lieberman or whatever is name is...disgusting human being. PERIOD>

Posted by: oldmoneyroxx on October 27, 2008 at 2:34 AM | PERMALINK

Obama helped Lieberman in his primary campaign against Lamont. In return, Lieberman accused Obama of not putting his country first and of undermining our troops.

You people who think Democrats should not hold a grudge would have a point if Lieberman had stuck to making positive statements about his old friend McCain. And, in fact, he could have said that while both candidates would make fine presidents, there's no substitute for experience in these dangerous times. Or he could have just told flattering McCain stories drawn from their long friendship. It was perfectly doable.

But no.

So now he has made his bed. Kick him out of the caucus for the next Congress. If he wants back in, he can EARN his way back in during the next two years and in the 2010 election.

Posted by: expatjourno on October 27, 2008 at 3:02 AM | PERMALINK

Joe Lie-berman is simply a useful idiot.The Repugnants look at him at a useful idiot. His stupid smile sickens me. He has this kind of smile that the Joker had in one of those Batman movies . He calls himself an Independent Democrat, that's a real laugh ,more like a right wing facist. The Repugnants will throw him under the bus since his usefullness will be gone after an Obama victory and the Democrats will throw him under a train for being the worst kind of traitor I've ever seen.At least when Zel Miller became a turncoat 4 years ago you could say maybe he was a little senile because of his age but that does not apply to Lie-berman. I predict he will be in a political twilight zone when this all over until he is thrown out by Conn. voters next time he runs if he runs again. Maybe we should send lots of money to his Democratic opposition to make sure this turncoat is thrown out once and for all.

Posted by: Jeff on October 27, 2008 at 3:40 AM | PERMALINK

I will forever remember Joe Lieberman as "the Traitor." Lucky for him I don't live in his state, because I would be working against him. I hope his career is over.

Posted by: Famous Artist on October 27, 2008 at 4:15 AM | PERMALINK

lieberman? a shandeh for the goyim.
if he came to my shul for shabbos, maybe i'd give him revi'i. a real nogudnick.

Posted by: morris ayin on October 27, 2008 at 4:21 AM | PERMALINK

Joe Liberman is a man(?) without a country. He should be relagated to the anals of history with the likes of Zell Miller. He was the primary reason I almost didn't vote for Al Gore in 2000(that would've put Israel only a heartbeat away from the highest office in this country). Joe has never really been a Democrat. His greatest allegiance has always been to Israel. Quite honestly his whiney monotonic voice has always made me want to gag. Wish I could remember the (Disney? Hana Barbara? Looney Tunes?) cartoon character dog he's always reminded me of. Dumb,slow and out of touch with reality. Send him back to Israel. I'm sure he's probably a hero there. Then again maybe they don't want him either.

Posted by: Watersisland on October 27, 2008 at 5:00 AM | PERMALINK

If the Democrats have any values, they should throw this prick out of the caucus. How dare he ,after being picked by one of the nation's noblest citizens, Al Gore, as his running mate turn out to be a traitor. I agree you may disagree with Obama or even deeply disaggree, but you do not whore yourself. I understand that he deeply cares for Israel and we all should. But rile against a Presidential candidate and his support structure, the Democratic party, and suck up to W! even after being proven that Saddam would have never posed a threat to Israel, amazes me.

Posted by: Sri Sundar on October 27, 2008 at 5:28 AM | PERMALINK

Although I didn't like it, I respected Lieberman for supporting McCain due to his friendship and agreement on many issues. But, when his support extended to the selection of Palin as V.P., I lost all respect. He then became just another political hack in my book. Joe Lieberman is what other Jews would simply call a shmuck.

Posted by: rekky on October 27, 2008 at 6:00 AM | PERMALINK

What a pathetic character this treacherous
creature is, trying to worm his way back into the good graces of the party he betrayed. GOLLUM! His precioussss vote won't be worth a dime after Nov. 4th. GOLLUM! GOLLUM!!!

Posted by: Roald Hansen on October 27, 2008 at 6:22 AM | PERMALINK

Joe the plummer, I mean Joe the congressmen career is over too. GOODBYE JOE,PLUMMER AND CONGRESSMEN, JOE THE PALIN, JOE THE MCCAIN. GOODBYE AND GOOD RIDDENS. NEVER WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN..ALL OF YOUR CAREERS ARE OVER.THAT THANKGOD. GREG

Posted by: greg on October 27, 2008 at 6:35 AM | PERMALINK

Down with this opportunist political hack two-faced idiot. You will NEVER have our support again Lieberman. Scumbag.

Posted by: Todd on October 27, 2008 at 6:43 AM | PERMALINK

Liberman is done. He loved the state Isreal more than his own party. He loved the neo cons more than his own party. He loved Mccain more than his own party. So say goodbye liberman... it is a new day, and Obama will treat the Palestinians like humans unstead of anti-humans.

Finally respect will be the rule of law.

Posted by: malcomclapton@yahoo.com on October 27, 2008 at 7:21 AM | PERMALINK

Bend over and take it up the rear! Traitor....

Posted by: Bernie on October 27, 2008 at 8:41 AM | PERMALINK

Connecticut should be ashamed of their vote towards this guy.

Posted by: Robert on October 27, 2008 at 9:06 AM | PERMALINK

All I want for Christmas is 60; 60 seats in the Senate so we can tar and feather Lieberman as the traitorous blood sucker that he is.

Posted by: Dan on October 27, 2008 at 9:09 AM | PERMALINK

I hope that the democrats will have a good memory regarding Lieberman and do not forget his many instances of partisan behavior in circumstances that were just too personal to be believable and too close to his self interests to be acceptable.
In short I hope that they will dump him where he belongs

Posted by: scaaty on October 27, 2008 at 9:18 AM | PERMALINK

FROM JOE THE PLUMBER TO JOE THE JUDAS

It is sad to see metamorphisis of Joe Lieberman. In all , he succeed only in making spactacle (bettre, a fool) of himself. Think of the things he said at the Republican National Convention in Twin City. He displayed simply the face and morbid laugh of of a traitor, especially given his past beliefs and contributions to the Democratic Party. His present stance is clearly governed by self-preservation and selfishness than principle and country. After Nov. 4, should Democrats convinvingly win both Congress, and the White House, Lieberman is toast--and he knows it.

Posted by: Dr. Sam on October 27, 2008 at 9:26 AM | PERMALINK

Lieberliar can go away and go to hell.

Posted by: JohnJlws on October 27, 2008 at 9:37 AM | PERMALINK

It's one thing to genuinely/intelligently/eloquently express your feelings about this election from the other side of the aisle and opt to vote for the other candidate while staying staunchly with your party philosophy, as in Colin Powell, it's quite another to have become the opponent candidate's whining "sidekick" and engaged in the lie-based, slime-throwing sleaze politics of McCain-Palin, the way Lieberman has.

I can never forgive him for his despicable speech at the Republican National Convention, when he thought he was earning himself a prime position in McCain's administration.

After November 4th, when the Dems won't need his casting vote, I hope they throw him out, after birning him at the stake. This man has no principles.

Posted by: AMNYC on October 27, 2008 at 9:41 AM | PERMALINK

He's a traitor to his party and should be kicked to the curb. His political career is over. He should not be reelected and should not serve on any committees. To hell with him.

Posted by: dominique on October 27, 2008 at 10:13 AM | PERMALINK

Libermann is only in it for himself and did everything he could to become V.P. This "Benedict Arnold" shouldn't receive any help, support or "love" from the Dems. He has brought shame upon
himself and the Democratic Party. He sold his soul to the GOP devils and should go down with them, including "Joe and Tito
the Plumbers". Kick this bum out!!!

Posted by: sueno on October 27, 2008 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINK

Does any one know about his campaigning tactics before now? I wonder if he has not been a betrayal all his life; The national rep. convention podium only helped to expose him.

Posted by: martin on October 27, 2008 at 11:59 AM | PERMALINK

That Hanna-Barbera character that many speak of when comparing Joe Lieberman is "Deputy Dawg".

From my viewpoint, when he first started making national news a decade ago, I immediately thought of the father-character on the 1980s show, "Alf". Same slow-monotone delivery, same wet-blanket demeanor.

Though, really, when you think about it, he's most like the "Teen-Flintstones" character, "SchlepRock" - whose claim to fame was that whomever he associated with, bad luck happened. Wowsee-wowsee-woo-woo...!

Think about it: The Democratic Party, then Al Gore, then the Republican Party, now John McCain. Everything he touches turns to crap.

Joe - here's your final chance to use your supernatural powers for GOOD: Apply for a permanent commentator position on Fox Noise and/or Limblob.

"Conservatives conserve nothing."

Posted by: Moderation on October 27, 2008 at 12:01 PM | PERMALINK

Trator

Posted by: elyce Ellington on October 27, 2008 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

Traitor Joe is hedging his big bet.
Joe the Plumber, Joe the Vice President, or Joe the Traitor---who would you least like to be at this time?
Throw Joe the Traitor out of the caucus and let him cozy with McCain.

Posted by: ernieson on October 27, 2008 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

Joe Lieberman will be lucky if he isn't shipped off to Israel. He'll be moving there on his own if there's ever a real investigation of 9/11.

Americans don't like traitors, Joe, even if they claim to be holy ones.

Posted by: republicanSScareme on October 27, 2008 at 2:08 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is and has been an opportunist all his life.He is the most unprincibiled pol. in the senate.He gives the jewish people a bad name and should be sent packing as soon as possible

Posted by: frank hackett on October 27, 2008 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is and has been an opportunist all his life.He is the most unprincibiled pol. in the senate.He gives the jewish people a bad name and should be sent packing as soon as possible

Posted by: frank hackett on October 27, 2008 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

Lieberman is and has been an opportunist all his life.He is the most unprincibiled pol. in the senate.He gives the jewish people a bad name and should be sent packing as soon as possible

Posted by: frank hackett on October 27, 2008 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

i HAVE NOTHING AGAIN AGE BEING 63 MYSELF. However, Lieberman is a washed up politician! He is so wishy-washy....Puts Sarah Palin to shame!

Posted by: Marianne on October 27, 2008 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

Just a quick comment about the idea of naming Lieberman to the post of Ambassador to Canada. As a proud Canadian and proud neighbor of the US, please, don't do us any favors! We can do without this unsavory character. We have enough of our own. Good luck in your election!

Posted by: Ioina mcmillan on October 27, 2008 at 8:23 PM | PERMALINK

Just a quick comment about the idea of naming Lieberman to the post of Ambassador to Canada. As a proud Canadian and proud neighbor of the US, please, don't do us any favors! We can do without this unsavory character. We have enough of our own. Good luck in your election!

Posted by: Iona Mcmillan on October 27, 2008 at 8:25 PM | PERMALINK

Say what you will, four years from now, you will be proud of your new President, Joe Lieberman. Just remember, losing the primaries does not preclude a run in general election.

Posted by: Joementum on October 28, 2008 at 8:55 AM | PERMALINK

Republicans named him "Joe Loserman" - remember that? Even before the 5-4 Supreme Court ruling which ordered the State of Florida to stop counting the votes, Republicans made fun of Joe's name by calling him a part of "Sore Loserman" - Gore being spelled with an S and Lieberman being made into the joke, "Loserman".
They called Joe a Loserman, because he requested the re-count that he was entitled to request under Florida state law.

Posted by: OH on October 28, 2008 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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