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October 29, 2008

WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH, THE WEAK GET RIDICULOUS.... Recent polling shows Sen. Elizabeth Dole (R) trailing in her re-election fight in North Carolina against Democrat Kay Hagan, so it stands to reason that she's getting a little desperate.

I didn't think she'd get this desperate.

Sen. Elizabeth Dole's latest advertisement suggests her Democratic opponent, Kay Hagan, is a godless heathen.

"A leader of the Godless Americans PAC recently held a secret fundraiser for Kay Hagan," the 30-second spot says, showing footage of the group's members talking about their atheist beliefs on cable news.

"Godless Americans and Kay Hagan. She hid from cameras. Took godless money," the ad concludes. "What did Kay Hagan promise in return?"

At the very end of the ad, a voice sounding like Hagan's says: "There is no God."

Seriously, Dole used a Hagan impersonator to make voters think she's an atheist.

It's hard to know where to start with an ad this deplorable. First, Hagan is actually a Sunday school teacher and an elder in her church. Second, the fundraiser in question was co-hosted by 40 people, one of whom is on the board of an atheist political action committee. Third, there's nothing scandalous about non-believers.

And fourth, what the hell is "godless money"?

Hagan held a press conference this morning with her family and pastor to denounce the ad, and announced that if Dole didn't pull the ad, she would seek a cease-and-desist order.

Even in a campaign cycle filled with sleazy, deplorable attacks, Dole has disgraced herself in a way few thought possible.

Steve Benen 12:28 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (92)

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More pertinently than "What is 'godless money'?" is, "For a Christian, what other kind is there?" Ever since Christ said, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's", religion and money in Christianity have been explicitly separated.

Posted by: duBois on October 29, 2008 at 12:31 PM | PERMALINK

something i thought only mccain and saxby chambliss would try.

Posted by: The Gaucho Politico on October 29, 2008 at 12:31 PM | PERMALINK

"Third, there's nothing scandalous about non-believers."

Clearly there is. Scandals are defined by what people get offended by, and atheists are one of the groups it's acceptable to openly hate on.

Posted by: Alex C on October 29, 2008 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

Smear, fear, slime, and crime. All in a days work for a repig.

Dear Goddess, can't our country do better than this? Goddess help you, Elizabeth Dole.

Posted by: Lipstick on a repig on October 29, 2008 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

Say it ain't so, Lizzy!

Posted by: CT on October 29, 2008 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

What is "godless money"? Why, money without a cross and JAYSUS! on it. Godless money has a witchy pyramid with satan's eyeball staring out of the top.

Posted by: Praedor Atrebates on October 29, 2008 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

Say it ain't so, Libby Dole!

Posted by: CT on October 29, 2008 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

Attacking a Sunday school teacher with godlessness. Man, it is really getting scary out there in Jesusland. Are Atheists no longer allowed to participate in democracy? What about Agnostic money? What the fuck?

What's amazing to me is that, given all the issues that are sticking in this election cycle, faith doesn't seem to be one of them. And that Elizabeth Dole would put her stamp on this shit.

Posted by: chrenson on October 29, 2008 at 12:40 PM | PERMALINK

The real fault for this lies with the American public, who remain deplorably backward in all matters spiritual. It's a sad commentary on the state of the republic when candidates are de facto disqualified from office for not believing in an omnipotent, invisible, heavily bearded dude in the sky.

Posted by: fumphis on October 29, 2008 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

I just hope we can get to election day before they start shooting at us.

Posted by: tomeck on October 29, 2008 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK

I have to believe that many believers will find this offensive. Folks that take their faith seriously won't appreciate their senator bearing false witness as a campaign tactic.

Posted by: AK Liberal on October 29, 2008 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

Godless Money, of course, is misprinted American Currency without the words "In God We Trust."

Posted by: RSG on October 29, 2008 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK

Tourists marvel while visitng America. When confronted with large crowds in the streets they think "How odd, I thought you all sat on porches playing banjos................."

Posted by: steve duncan on October 29, 2008 at 12:49 PM | PERMALINK

Anyone know what church Dole goes to? I'm reminded of how often, especially in this election cycle, Republicans accuse Democrats of things the Republican in question is guilty of doing. If it turns out Dole is an athiest or agnostic, or a Creaster (fairweather Christians who only go to church on Christmas and Easter), I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest.

Posted by: slappy magoo on October 29, 2008 at 12:49 PM | PERMALINK

I think an ad featuring Hagen's Sunday school class that closes with "Thou shalt not lie" might be the most effective push-back.

Posted by: Jennifer on October 29, 2008 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

I, for one, can't wait until a Republican politician starts accusing his or her opponent of actually being a space alien. As in, literally a flying-saucer-riding human-eating monster from outer space. The fact that the "elite media" isn't warning people about this, or investigating it enough, is just more proof that it's true.

Given everything they've said so far, this certainly can't be considered too ridiculous for them to argue. I mean, seriously. What haven't they said by now?

Posted by: DH Walker on October 29, 2008 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

Is she not the exemplar of a party with no ideas? A party built on hate and loathing. Don't bring Libby your poor or your huddled masses unless you believe in concentration camps. A person who speaks lies in the guise of God would represent what religion? I would rather break bread with athiests whose solitary platform is their own inconsequentiality. Think about it: atheists don't play "let's pretend" in hopes that they can deceive God into an eternal poon-party. Dole has empowered the dark forces of her own doubt-filled soul. Let us hear no more of her in obscurity.

Posted by: Sparko on October 29, 2008 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

How sad, McCain and Dole both dive into the gutter at the same time. Are there no Repugs left with any morals or honor?

Posted by: BobC on October 29, 2008 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

If you don't think that horrible woman is capapble of such a thing, you must not know her well.

Quite frankly, PCUSA (Presbyterian Church) should hold a press conference asking why Liddy thinks we are godless.

Her internal polling must be worse than the public ones.

Posted by: Chuck on October 29, 2008 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

Hagen should file for a cease-and-desist order regardless. This is the sort of tactic that democrats are too polite in rebuking. She should make this dishonest smear the center of the campaign through election day.

It says something about E. Dole that voters should be aware of.

Posted by: TBone on October 29, 2008 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

How about it folks, can we organize another mass donation to Hagan's campaign? Perhaps something along the lines of the Michelle Bachman case last week. If we can repeat that a few times it might make these cretins think twice before trying it again.

Posted by: Bosco on October 29, 2008 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

And fourth, what the hell is "godless money"?

Getcher Jesus Bucks right here!

Seriously, if there is a Creator, how can She not have created EVERYTHING?!? Where would "godless money" even come from?

Posted by: Juan del Llano on October 29, 2008 at 12:59 PM | PERMALINK

"Took [...] money," the ad concludes. "What did Kay Hagan promise in return?"

Do they apply this same standard, this presumption of quid pro quo to ALL campaign donations?

Politicians get money from the NRA, AIPAC, AARP, AFLCIO.... What did that money buy?

Posted by: flubber on October 29, 2008 at 1:04 PM | PERMALINK

How sad, McCain and Dole both dive into the gutter at the same time. Are there no Repugs left with any morals or honor?
Most of them have been driven out of the party. That said, Florida Governor Charlie Crist is extending the hours of his state's early voting locations. That's a pretty decent thing to do.

Posted by: Dennis - SGMM on October 29, 2008 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

Even though her husband was wounded fighting to protect the constitution, Lizzie apparently hasn't read it, maybe I should highlite Article VI section 3:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

Does "godless money" have the "in god we trust" scratched out or what?

Posted by: feckless on October 29, 2008 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

"Dole has disgraced herself in a way few thought possible."

Why? What has Elizabeth Dole ever done that wasn't strictly for the benefit of Elizabeth Dole?

Seriously, can you even name anything she's done as a Senator?

Posted by: Ben on October 29, 2008 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

I'm really kind of at a loss as to why the right wing nut job bible thumping end time rapturers are having such a hissy fit about Obama becoming president.

Isn't this what they want? To hasten Armageddon?

You'd think they'd be out there actively campaigning for the Muslim/communist/socialist/terrorist/Anti-Christ, wouldn't you?

Posted by: citizen_pain on October 29, 2008 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

Godless money = "Jewish money". Wingnuts lately are wont to pretend to be non-anti-Semitic even if they do still hate us Jews.

Posted by: DAS on October 29, 2008 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

I wondered when it would come and here it is: the 2008 version of the infamous "Hands" commercial that Jesse Helms ran in his race with Harvey Gantt. Sadly, as much as I would hope that people would see above the ad, this will have some effect on voters here in NC. I just hope its not too much of an effect.

Posted by: BullCity on October 29, 2008 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK

on a less exciting note, i will now spend the rest of my day refreshing hagan's actblue page and watch the numbers go up.

Posted by: cha cha cha on October 29, 2008 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

If you want to really send a message to hate-filled old Liddy Dole, go and drop a few bucks of "godless money" by making a donation to her opponent Kay Hagen at http://www.kayhagan.com

I just popped over there and gave $25.

Who'd have thought that this year, I'd be donating to Kay Hagen and Els Tinkeleberg (or whatever his name is!) but it's better than just getting mad!!

Posted by: Kelly on October 29, 2008 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they did start a shooting war before November 4, just so they can get their chimpfuhrer to declare an emergency, stop the elections, and suspend various portions of the Constitution. we've even got the perfect spot for their gulags---it's called "Alaska...."

Posted by: Steve W. on October 29, 2008 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

"And fourth, what the hell is "godless money"?"

Maybe the donations were all made in five-hundred dollar bills?

Posted by: Balconesfault on October 29, 2008 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

The commentor who decried bearing false witness has hit it on the head.

That is the perfect campaign rejoinder to this sleaze.

Posted by: Raoul Paste on October 29, 2008 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK

T paraphrase Colin Powell And so what if she was a "godless atheist " Can't an atheist dream about growing up and becoming a Senator?

Posted by: John R on October 29, 2008 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

I think the "Godless Money" quote is referring to taking the phrase in God we trust off our currency.

Posted by: citizen_pain on October 29, 2008 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

Steve Benen wrote: "Dole has disgraced herself in a way few thought possible."

Sarah Palin certainly "thought it possible" when she campaigned for mayor of Wasilla with the slogan "elect Wasilla's first Christian mayor" against an incumbent whose last name was Stein ... and who was a Baptist.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on October 29, 2008 at 1:13 PM | PERMALINK

How can this not backfire ?
This is her Macaca moment and the end of her campaign.

Posted by: ScottW on October 29, 2008 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

Sarah Palin certainly "thought it possible" when she campaigned for mayor of Wasilla with the slogan "elect Wasilla's first Christian mayor" against an incumbent whose last name was Stein ... and who was a Baptist.

Yes. Republicans seem to think that the gap between their lies and the belief in those lies is made up with shamelessness. The more obvious the lie, the more shamelessly it gets pushed.

Posted by: DH Walker on October 29, 2008 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK

What is "godless money"?

All of it, of course.

Posted by: Chombo on October 29, 2008 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

If you want to really send a message to hate-filled old Liddy Dole, go and drop a few bucks of "godless money" by making a donation to her opponent Kay Hagen at http://www.kayhagan.com

I just popped over there and gave $25.

Who'd have thought that this year, I'd be donating to Kay Hagen and Els Tinkeleberg (or whatever his name is!) but it's better than just getting mad!!
Posted by: Kelly on October 29, 2008 at 1:09 PM | PERMALIN
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So true. I just did the same for $35.00, and gave to Elwin Tinklenburg last week. Plus, I have joined and hosted Calling Parties at My.BarackObama.com and http://pol.moveon.org/event/events/index.html?action_id=150. They need volunteers to call, now is a crucial time. Cruise on over and give it a try. Again, it is better than just stewing, blogging, and feeling angry. You will feel better.

Posted by: In what respect, Charliie? on October 29, 2008 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

Also, Kay's actblue page is here:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18560

It's gone up at least 6K since i first checked it.

Posted by: cha cha cha on October 29, 2008 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

@ Scott W 1:18 You said it! These senseless Republicans just can not comprehend the power of the internet. We have a million little fuck you's that were generated for Michelle Bachmanns opponent. I am sending 25 "fuck you Liddy Doles " to Hagan's campaign. This intolerance and hate shall not stand in MY America.

Posted by: John R on October 29, 2008 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

Remember, there are a lot of atheists out there, and as soon as they touch money it becomes godless, so you have lots of godless money in your possesion right now. But don't worry, there's help at hand: If you would simply email me, I'll give you an address so you can send your godless money to me.

Posted by: QrazyQat on October 29, 2008 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK

Godless money, I'll do anything for you
Godless money, just tell me what you want to
Godless money, nail me up against the wall
Godless money don't want everything it wants it all

Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve

Posted by: T. Reznor on October 29, 2008 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK

Sen. Elizabeth Dole's latest advertisement suggests her Democratic opponent, Kay Hagan, is a godless heathen.

If it were only true. American needs a lot more godless heathens.

Posted by: Jeff II on October 29, 2008 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

what the hell is "godless money"?

All paper money prior to 1957. The Buffalo Nickel. The Indian Head Cent.

And the 1907 St. Gaudens Double Eagle, a coin not only godless, but dated with a Roman numeral. These coins, and all pre-1864 coins, do not carry the "In God We Trust" motto. Teddy Roosevelt, who approved the St. Gaudens design, rightly thought it inappropriate to put the name of God on money. "My own feeling in the matter is due to my very firm conviction that to put such a motto on coins, or to use it in any kindred manner, not only does no good but does positive harm, and is in effect irreverence, which comes dangerously close to sacrilege... it seems to me eminently unwise to cheapen such a motto by use on coins, just as it would be to cheapen it by use on postage stamps, or in advertisements."

It took an act of Congress to overrule him.

Posted by: Screamin' Demon on October 29, 2008 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

Steve, you err in calling stuff like this "ridiculous" - no, it is sinister, an expression of Christianist hatred for unbelievers. I love you both, but you're a dorky excess-gentleman just like Kevin Drum.

Posted by: Neil B on October 29, 2008 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

Godless money = "Jewish money". Wingnuts lately are wont to pretend to be non-anti-Semitic even if they do still hate us Jews. Posted by: DAS

There is a lot of deep seated anti-Semitism on the right, but you've got to admit that there is a rather disgusting, mutually beneficial relationship amongst the right wing hawks, the "Christian" right, and Jewish hawks - they all seem to love Israel unconditionally much to the detriment for U.S. foreign policy in the ME and Islamic world.

Posted by: Jeff II on October 29, 2008 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

Color me unimpressed with Hagan's response. I'm an atheist myself, and her over-the-top anger toward Dole annoys me. A proper response would have been:

"First of all, Senator Dole is lying with her implication that I don't believe in God. But second, what's wrong with non-believers having a voice in our government? They're Americans too, they have a right to be heard, and if I win this election, I will be representing at least a few of them. Apparently, they have decided that they share common political ground with me. Senator Dole's response to this emphasizes two things. First, that these Americans are supporting me over her, which is good news for me. And second, that she clings to the same failed old republican mantra of dividing the country along emotional lines rather than addressing real issues."

*That* type of response would have been the good one, not an angry threat to sue for slander. What a wasted opportunity. What a mistake to fall into the trap of agreeing with GOP framing on religion in America. And what an insult to the non-believer crowd who actually threw her their support.

Posted by: Shade Tail on October 29, 2008 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

heavily bearded dude in the sky.
I hope she is a large black woman that cooks bicuits.

Posted by: EC Sedgwick on October 29, 2008 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I'd say Dole just lost the atheist AND the agnostic vote. That might not be a small number in the science-heavy Research Triangle.

LOL

Posted by: And a pit bull would have made a better candidate for Vice President also. That's TWO things even. on October 29, 2008 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

Hagan is an atheist, but what's really startling is that she converted to atheism from Islam. The quote is cut off; the full quote is "There is no God, and Muhammed is his prophet".


Posted by: Mike Toreno on October 29, 2008 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

The 527 money must be in really short supply for the Republicans this year. This is the type of attack add that is normally done one off from the campaign. That Dole is making it directly says two things:

1 - she's desparate
2 - she can't find a one-off 527 group to make the attack for her

McCain has been in a similar bind as well. He's been forced to do most of the anti-Obama attacks directly.

Bush insulated himself from most of the more idiotic attacks against Gore and Kerry by extensive use of 527s, surrogates and people one-step removed from the campaign. The Republicans had the resources to that in 2000 and 2004.

This year, not so much. The 527s (on the republican side) have been remarkably quiet.

If McCain had been able to insulate himself from the smear tactics he might be in a slightly better position now. He certainly wouldn't have looked so ridiculous in the last debate claiming he rejected such attacks.

Posted by: thorin-1 on October 29, 2008 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK

+14K on actblue

Posted by: cha cha cha on October 29, 2008 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

Third, there's nothing scandalous about non-believers.

Maybe for many of us, but in North Carolina (and all the surrounding states) a non-believer IS scandalous. I'd also posit that in today's political climate, a non-believer is scandalous no matter where you run for government office.

Posted by: tom.a on October 29, 2008 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

One thing about this election, you get to see the true rattiness of the rats as they drown because they can't accept that the ship is sinking.

Posted by: AnotherBruce on October 29, 2008 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, how I miss, "This Week in God!"

Posted by: beep52 on October 29, 2008 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

Down here in North Carolina any whiff of "godlessness" sends all these "Christians" running for their Bibles and fanning themselves. Liddy's reaching out in a way she knows will get them riled up.

One of the first questions the locals ask a someone who moves here is "So, what church do you go to?". The poorly masked looks of horror I received when I answered "none" were pretty amusing. I think some of them even offered to pray for me that Sunday.

Posted by: The sister on October 29, 2008 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

I'm outraged by Dole's actions - but then again, I'm saddened, too, by Hagen, she claims to believe in a god, a belief that is so clearly (once thought through) irrational.

It's all a game, and in this case, a sick one. Dole deserves to lose.

Posted by: Dave on October 29, 2008 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK

First, there's nothing scandalous about non-believers.

Fixed.

Posted by: Gregory on October 29, 2008 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Shit, if Dole ever found out what was on that money that is passed around every church in this country every Sunday, she'd shit her pants and drop dead. Think strip clubs, drugs, sweat... The lack of God is the least of the problems with our money.

Posted by: OhNoNotAgain on October 29, 2008 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

I am currently sailing on the coast of North Carolina (or the Southern part of Virginia; I'm not completely certain) and we have encountered numerous fishermen and pleasure craft. All say Liddy Dole is toast in a week. I encountered a rock-ribbed Republican on the water who announced that he was planning to sail to Maine, put his affairs in order, and then settle in Newfoundland and seek Canadian citizenship. Yes, liberals--things have gotten that bad!

Many people claim to understand Dole, but here's why she's an anomaly, and will probably be the only Republican Senator to go down in defeat--she has the crazy eyes. Her eyelids have been surgicalized in a way that cause her eyes to dance in bright lights. What the doctors tried to do was to enhance her looks slightly by removing the tendency of the skin around the eyes of women of a certain age to sag and collect and sprout hairs that cannot easily be removed with an Epilady device or the like. The results, as many of you may already know, were botched and Dole received a slight but generous settlement for the work and tried to have her eyes fixed. Alas, when you cut nerves, you're basically done and you can plan on looking like you've had a serious stroke. One cannot drool from the eyes as one would do from the corner of the mouth after a stroke, although one can emit tears and the like from the ducts or something. It would take an opthamologist to explain, and I really don't have the time. It is colder than a you know what out here and the winds are brisk. I'm going to get below decks and have some cocoa when I sign off.

Anyway, people are not voting for Dole because of her "crazy eyes" and the campaign so far has been a disaster because every time Dole goes into a room with donors, they all end up wondering why she's looking at their hair; for men of a certain age (I maintain a perfectly functional hair system that allows me a silvery head of hair) this can be off-putting. To have Liddy Dole staring at you with her crazy eyes and then start wondering to onesself--"is she looking at my hair piece?" Well, good luck raising money, toots.

Every decent Republican is now out of the country and/or residing in International Waters until Election Day is over. The American Dream is over. Hello, socialism, goodbye apple pie. What money we all have left is now in Europe, my dears, and only the fat burgermeisters in Switzerland have the keys to it. Take that, Obama! You fraud.

Posted by: Norman Rogers on October 29, 2008 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

Don't let the door hit you in the ass, Norman. What an anti-American piece of shit.

Posted by: OhNoNotAgain on October 29, 2008 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

Don't let the door hit you in the ass, Norman. What an anti-American piece of shit. Posted by: OhNoNotAgain

Norman's a parody.

Posted by: on October 29, 2008 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

Kay +20K on actblue.

Posted by: cha cha cha on October 29, 2008 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

Was there a recent clearance sale on stupidity for Republicans in re-election campaigns? God damn, every time I read the latest it gets funnier!

Posted by: The Galloping Trollop on October 29, 2008 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

If a Sunday school teacher is godless, then what does Dole think of North Carolinians?

If Dole keeps up campaigning this outrageously she might just get John McCain's attention and he might dump Palin to get some real excitement with Dole in as Veep candidate/diva/bible-thumper.

Posted by: MarkH on October 29, 2008 at 3:21 PM | PERMALINK

As has been pointed out above, godless money is money that does not bear the phrase "In god we trust". At Freedom From Religion Foundation conventions, random drawings are held where you can win a pre-1957 $1 bill. They buy just as much as a godly bill, but from a constitutional point of view they are cleaner.

Posted by: Tim H on October 29, 2008 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

there is no bottom in bottom feeder. Dole - a prototypical republican is already there. Nothing a republican cretin does should surprise.
.

Posted by: pluege on October 29, 2008 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

There's something wrong with me because I don't want to pay to have welfare benefits handed out to every single solitary sad sack who refused to get a job because they were too busy rehearsing to get on American Idol?

Sorry, bub. No can do. My money is better spent keeping America safe from terrorists and thugs, not subsidizing stretch pants for the next Ruben Studdard or Clay Aken or whatever.

It's my right to move my assets off shore. I am free to do so, am I not? Or has the politburo now ruled on that issue? Shall I contact my local party official and ask him to burn down my dacha for insulting the Secretary General, Mr. Obama?

Posted by: Norman Rogers on October 29, 2008 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK

i called dole's campaign office and asked if dole believes that the united states should be a theocracy. needless to say, i got an incomprehensible response.

according to mia the deputy campaign something-or-other, the voice at the end that says "there is no god" is someone from godless americans and not intended to be a hagan impersonator.

i suggested to her that if elizabeth dole really believes that there is any likelihood that "god" will be removed from money or the pledge, she should step down now and let a competent person take her place.

here's the dole campaign number -- 704-633-0014 -- ask for mia. ask her whether you are a bad american because you believe religion has no place in secular government.

Posted by: karen marie on October 29, 2008 at 3:44 PM | PERMALINK

While there are a lot of atheists and agnostics in the triangle, myself included in the latter group, by and large we overwhelmingly vote democratic or libertarian anyway.

There's no place for us in the Republican party.

Posted by: Jeremy on October 29, 2008 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

I am seriously angry and sickened by Senator Dole. This reminds of pre-holocaust sentiment regarding Jews in Nazi Germany. I am an atheist, I have many atheist friends. We are active in our communities, we volunteer, donate, preach kindness, and work to make our world a better place for all people, regardless of belief. Forget the accuracy of the charges. This kind of vilification of atheism is dangerous, and frankly scares the bajesus out of me.

Posted by: Josh on October 29, 2008 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK

How about Colorado CD 4? A Marilyn Musgrave ad stages a Betsey Markey lookalike failing a lie detector test! It's a complete crock, and it's SOP for the GOP these days.

Posted by: matt plavnick on October 29, 2008 at 3:58 PM | PERMALINK

Isn't Dole another of those reasonable Republicans who is beloved by the MSM who gave her inordinate publicity for a mismanaged and purposeless vanity Presidential campaign? Despite the fact that she ran the American Red Cross when it mismanaged the blood supply and disappeared millions of bucks? And still loved her mavericky ways when she mismanaged the RSCC, helping the GOP lose their majority in 2006? Now she's screwing up her own campaign, helping Dems get closer to 60 votes. Yep, we surely want more Repubs like her!

Posted by: W Action on October 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

Kay +30K on her actblue page since noon.

Posted by: cha cha cha on October 29, 2008 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

While there are a lot of atheists and agnostics in the triangle, myself included in the latter group, by and large we overwhelmingly vote democratic or libertarian anyway.

There's no place for us in the Republican party. Posted by: Jeremy

The only people the Rethugs have left are belligerent morons who don't really give a shit about their fellow man. I'd like to see someone prove this isn't true.

Posted by: Jeff II on October 29, 2008 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK
To paraphrase Colin Powell And so what if she was a "godless atheist " Can't an atheist dream about growing up and becoming a Senator?

It's even worse than that. Apparently an atheist can't even dream about growing up to support a Senatorial candidate.

Posted by: noncarborundum on October 29, 2008 at 6:00 PM | PERMALINK

Just dittoing what others have said: if you are an "practicing" atheist in US, you -don't- have a voice. You certainly can't get elected to public office.

Posted by: Geoduck on October 29, 2008 at 6:34 PM | PERMALINK

+50K

Posted by: cha cha cha on October 29, 2008 at 7:01 PM | PERMALINK

Godless money = "Jewish money". Wingnuts lately are wont to pretend to be non-anti-Semitic even if they do still hate us Jews.
Posted by: DAS

How dare you, DAS! Is there no nadir you won't sink to? Not even Nader would do this.
Christian Zionists, and Christians generally are the biggest and most vociferous of Israel's supporters. They give the most money now, too!
How can you call them anti-semetic?
Wingnuts, too, are Israel's most ardent supporters. Who was the last leftist in America who wanted to do anything for Israel? All the leftist can think of these days are those poor Palestinians. The Palestinians, who brought all their troubles on themselves by simply disappearing when Israel was founded. What right do those scurvy Arabs have to their homes when Jews need them. Did you see any Palestinians around when the camps where liberated? Huh? Not a one, unless they were fighting for the Germans or working as concentration camp guards!

As a Jew, I know who my friends are, and I apologise to all wingnuts, evengelicals, Christian Zionists and other Israel supporters DAS so gratuitously insulted. And if the insult was too great for you to accept my apologies, just bear in mind that Judaism is the only religion (at present, anyway) with its own nuclear bombs, and really hot Jewish pilots to deliver them. Hows about a little fission, anti-semites! Ka-Boomila!

Posted by: Mooser on October 29, 2008 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

Fabulous headline and great post! I know both women and I know that Kay Hagan would not be talking about such drivel as a US Senator -- she'd be talking about the crisis we're facing today. I've always known that at some point the country would get to see the Liddy I know and today is the day. Kay Hagan is AMAZING by the way!

Posted by: Julie on October 29, 2008 at 8:22 PM | PERMALINK

+61K

Posted by: cha cha cha on October 29, 2008 at 8:23 PM | PERMALINK

+80K

Posted by: cha cha cha on October 29, 2008 at 11:17 PM | PERMALINK

How dare you, DAS! Is there no nadir you won't sink to? Not even Nader would do this. Christian Zionists, and Christians generally are the biggest and most vociferous of Israel's supporters. They give the most money now, too!How can you call them anti-semetic? Wingnuts, too, are Israel's most ardent supporters. Posted by: Mooser

Mooser, get a grip. The right has always been notoriously anti-Semitic until the hard right became Semitic itself (many of the neo-cons). You forget Nixon's hatred of Jews. Do you forget all those years when country clubs, whose members were historically and primarily Rethug, banned Jews? Israel served the right as a bastion against Soviet expansion in the ME. The U.S. didn't support Israel for any other reason during the Cold War. Now wing nuts support Israel because they are seen as a bulwark against a group of people they dislike, if not hate, more than the Jews - Muslims.

A lot of right wing Christians still see Israel as the center of Armageddon. So they will support Israel and its Jews because they have a role to play in the final Christian drama.

Posted by: Jeff II on October 29, 2008 at 11:36 PM | PERMALINK

Benen writes: "Third, there's nothing scandalous about non-believers."

That may be true, but everybody hates the goddamn atheists.

Seriously, nobody really minds people who just can't be bothered to go to church or who just don't haven't been touched yet by the Holy Spirit.

But those godless atheist freaks?... they're just plain creepy!

Posted by: s9 on October 30, 2008 at 1:01 AM | PERMALINK

How dare I not zeig heil when told!!!
How dare I live like a free man!!!

Posted by: teammarty on October 30, 2008 at 4:41 AM | PERMALINK

Godless money??

All you need is a black sharpie to correct your moneyso it can pass constitutional muster.

Posted by: teammarty on October 30, 2008 at 4:43 AM | PERMALINK

I just sent 25 of my godless dollars to the Hagen campaign. www.kayhagan.com

And a short email to the Dole campaign site, regretting that since I live in Colorado I won't have the pleasure of voting against the Libster. info@elizabethdole.org

Posted by: Mandy Cat on October 30, 2008 at 10:09 AM | PERMALINK

Kay +115K on her actblue page since noonish yesterday.

Posted by: cha cha cha on October 30, 2008 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

This will backfire. True Christians will not approve of Dole's unethical behavior and many will defect to her opponent. It is sad to see how far the Republican party has fallen. It has truly lost its way and I hope they will use this upcoming defeat to reflect upon their values and to refocus on ideas and programs to strengthen America as opposed to just tearing down their opponents mindlessly without any constructive ideas for how to make our country strong.

Posted by: Dave on October 30, 2008 at 11:10 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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