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October 31, 2008

STILL WAITING.... Of the four candidates for national office, Sarah Palin is the only one who refuses to release any of her medical records. A couple of weeks ago, her spokesperson said Palin wouldn't even answer questions on the subject.

It came as something of a surprise, then, when Palin indicated to NBC News' Brian Williams last week that she would release her medical records. She used ambiguous language, though: "If that will allow some curiosity seekers perhaps to have one more thing that they either check the box off that they can find something to criticize or to rest them assured over. I'm healthy, happy, I've had five kids, that's going to be in the medical records, never seriously ill or hurt, you'll see that in the medical records if they're released."

We're still waiting.

Governor Palin's campaign still has not released any information regarding her medical records despite frequent requests from the news media and the campaign's own assertion that they would release this information soon.

On Sunday morning, Palin spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt told ABC News that the campaign had planned to release information on her medical history early this week.... ABC News has asked every day this week about the status of the release of information and received no updates from the campaign. It is unclear what is holding things up.

"We are working on this and it will happen sooner than later," Schmitt said on Sunday.

The election is just a few days from now. Even if there were some logistical delays, such as having materials mailed in from Alaska, Palin did tell a national television audience she's release the records nine days ago. So, where are they? What's the hold up? Given Palin's background and ethical lapses, it's not unreasonable to find it discomforting when she acts like she has something to hide.

My hunch is, there isn't anything especially controversial in the records, and Palin is probably just being secretive for the sake of being secretive.

Besides, McCain and his aides probably got a detailed briefing on Palin's medical history as part of the extensive vetting process, right?

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I think it would help her if the media didn't find out she has a lump of coal where her heart should be until after the election.

Posted by: jonno on October 31, 2008 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

This is just another way for the liberal media to attack one of the finest public servants it has been my pleasure to know, my friends.

Posted by: John Sidney McCain III on October 31, 2008 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

I suspect that Palin knows that they are going to lose and she may not want a baseline on which to judge when she runs in 2012.
Maybe those moosemeat burgers are high in cholesteral.

Posted by: Bethie on October 31, 2008 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

STILL WAITING.... Of the four candidates for national office, Sarah Palin is the only one who refuses to release any of her medical records.

I don't understand this. Isn't this, like releasing financial records, required prior to the election? If not, it should be.

Posted by: Jeff II on October 31, 2008 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

What's she hiding? Evidence of an abortion? Substance abuse? "She" is really a "he"?

Posted by: duBois on October 31, 2008 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

My hunch is, there isn't anything especially controversial in the records, and Palin is probably just being secretive for the sake of being secretive.

She has a history of being secretive specifically to hide damaging information. Why would it be different this time?

It could be something minor but comical, like an STD, or something devastating to the base, like an abortion in her teenage years, but it's probably not pointless bullheadedness that keeps her from releasing these records. And when they are released, I'd bet a honeybee that they'll be incomplete.

Posted by: shortstop on October 31, 2008 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

uh oh...that sound you just heard was andrew sullivan's head exploding....

Posted by: dj spellchecka on October 31, 2008 at 12:39 PM | PERMALINK

Why would she release records showing the baby isn't hers? No one knew she was pregnant until she told them 7.5 months in (and she's a public figure!), she supposedly gave a speech and flew home to Alaska after her water broke, and Bristol was out from school with "mono" for 4 months. I hope that's true, anyway, it'd be a great story.

Posted by: Doug on October 31, 2008 at 12:39 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, and where the hell is Barack Obama's birth certificate, my friends?

Posted by: John Sidney McCain III on October 31, 2008 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe it shows that she uses contraceptives? Uncontroversial for the vast majority of people, but some of her strongest base equate contraception with abortion.

Posted by: Simon C. on October 31, 2008 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry, but this is a red herring. There's nothing wrong with Palin that a good kick in the ass wouldn't cure - but McCain? We haven't seen *any* of his mental health records. So Palin is running the distraction - "Look Over Here!" - when we should all be asking: "What is going on in the mind of a 72 year old ex-5-year-POW who sometimes refers to audiences as 'My Fellow Prisoners' out of the blue?"
The lack of disclosure of McCain's mental health records is the elephant in the room, and, as usual, Palin is simply the eye candy.

Posted by: Limbaugh's Diabetes on October 31, 2008 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK

where the hell is Barack Obama's birth certificate,

Maybe it's in Panama with yours.

Posted by: tomeck on October 31, 2008 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK

Bristol was out from school with "mono" for 4 months

I'm not going there with all the Trig birth speculations, but was this kid really out of school for four months? Damn, the Palins' two oldest kids (and the pregnant one's fiance) are high-school dropouts and the second two daughters probably haven't been near a classroom for months. WTF kind of parents are these people?

Posted by: shortstop on October 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

Palin doesn't have the staff or management ability to collect and release her medical records.

And how is Palin supposed to know there are rules for doctors requiring them to write stuff down?

Posted by: stefan on October 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

C'mon Grandma Palin, release the records before your 2nd grandchild is born.

Posted by: c'mon on October 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry, but this is a red herring. There's nothing wrong with Palin that a good kick in the ass wouldn't cure - but McCain? Posted by: Limbaugh's Diabetes

It's a pretty safe bet that McCain's hiding something. But if Palin's not, why hasn't she released her medical records?

Posted by: Jeff II on October 31, 2008 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

I know it's considered terribly hateful to mention it, but Bristol stays away from school for the last 4 months of 'Sarah's' pregnancy, and Palin herself takes two flights to get out of the mainland US, drives 45 minutes out of Anchorage to go to a backwoods hospital in the middle of nowhere, which just coincidentally puts her in the same location as the off-school-with-mono Bristol.

It all stinks to high heaven.

Put the boot on the other foot. If Michelle Obama had a teenage daughter and a similar chain of events had unfolded, do you think anyone on the right would be giving them the benefit of the doubt?

Posted by: Rapid Eddie on October 31, 2008 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe she only had four babies, maybe pappa Todd only fathered 3 of them, maybe she has a 'Bill Clinton was Here' tattoo in a very concerning place, maybe she's on drugs, or maybe she just had a simple lobotomy, who knows, but damn, it would be nice to know she isn't an actual robot.

Posted by: ScottW on October 31, 2008 at 12:56 PM | PERMALINK

Lung damage from the fumes from Track's meth lab? (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

Posted by: on October 31, 2008 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

c'mon: that was a classic. That made my night.

Honestly though, her kids are a mess and she really needs to be a no-kidding mother for the first time. The My Space stuff with the underage drinking, adult-free partying, and lack of any rudder is heart-breaking. She has no business in this election. No Democrat would have lasted five minutes. She is one of those Eugene O'Neill kinds of of Americans who is so much more interesting to watch with a sense of safe detachment. . .

Posted by: Sparko on October 31, 2008 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

Well, she's just so darn folksy, we should just take her word for what's in them. I mean, it's not like she's a proven pathological liar or anything.

Posted by: DH Walker on October 31, 2008 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

I'd settle for the psychiatric records.

Posted by: Danp on October 31, 2008 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

Let's do the trigonometry...

My hunch is, there isn't anything especially controversial in the records, and Palin is probably just being secretive for the sake of being secretive.

Steve, I understand the pose you need to strike here. But secrecy for secrecy's sake?

Palin has made it known she is in the hunt for the presidency. Anybody paying attention knows she will do whatever it takes to get there. Her absolute best chance is winning now and having McCain croak or say adieu in 2012. She realizes this. She's done the math. Winning the primary battles in 2011 is no cinch...

The calculation here is so simple that even a power-hungry brute like Palin can crunch it: Release now. No sense in getting more bad press just for secrecy's sake.

No...
She is hiding something here.

Posted by: koreyel on October 31, 2008 at 1:03 PM | PERMALINK

More censorship and arrogant, defiant control-- her favorite thing. I do believe she has poor rapport/trust even with her family. I won't be surprised if we find out more dirt on this family in years to come.

Yet with all this media blocking, Palin still whines to an ABC interviewer (just yesterday) that Colin Powell and other key staltwart republicans who have expressed grave concerns about Palin's competency and style/ethics never bothered to interview her! (yeah,like they had so many opportunities to).

Actually, after the Gibson and Couric interviews-- along with her lying response to the Troopergate results along with the hateful and bizarre character assassinations she gleefully ascribes to Obama--any sane person would know they've seen plenty enough.

Posted by: on October 31, 2008 at 1:04 PM | PERMALINK

Speculation is not necessary.

The fact is the electorate has medical records from 3 of the 4 in the race.

One (more) vascular event away from the presidency.....

Fit as a horse eh? Sound of mind? Fit to be POTUS?

Come to think on it..do we really need her medical records to decide fer ourselves?

You betcha!

Posted by: Tom Nicholson on October 31, 2008 at 1:04 PM | PERMALINK

Regarding the '4 months out for Mono,' I can see that. I missed most of my Sophomore year of high school because of mononucleosis (I liked 10th grade so much I did it twice).

As for Momma Palin's records, I have to wonder if there are any. I mean, do faith healers actually keep records?

http://iambilly.wordpress.com

Posted by: (((Billy))) The Atheist on October 31, 2008 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

... any sane person would know they've seen plenty enough.

The devil's in the caveats, isn't it?

Posted by: DH Walker on October 31, 2008 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

I vote for something that has to do with being sexually active, and would upset the nice ladies of her base that tend to be not very 'liberal' when it comes to those naughty bits.

Posted by: GVC on October 31, 2008 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

I still believe Trig is Bristol's baby. As Sherlock Holmes would say, having used deductive reasoning to come to his concluson, "It's elementary, my dear Dr. Watson."

I suspect the biggest problem with Palin's records is not what is IN them, but what isn't...prenatal care for example prior to Trig's birth.

Posted by: impeachcheneythenbush on October 31, 2008 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

OK, I'll tell ya what... I'll let five hand-picked reporters see my files for three hours, no copies etc. And of course the files will be in whatever language I want, in whatever font I want, printed in whatever color I want.

In other words, I got nothin' to hide, just like John McCain.

Posted by: Sarah Palin on October 31, 2008 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

I think it's only because the campaign is having a difficult time coming up with the $15 million to make the copies of her medical records.

Posted by: jhill123 on October 31, 2008 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

She was knocked up before she was married, too. One doesn't need meds to show that, however. Marriage Records and Birth Records are both public info.

But, like McCain allowing 3 guys to check his 1,000 + pages of meds for only 3 hours.... they both are hiding something.

Opposition research over the next few months on this ditz will be fun and the ones most interested in obtaining it will be Republics who figure to run against her in the future.

Posted by: Jack from Sebring on October 31, 2008 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

Palin's medical records would show that she is not the mother of TRIG.

Posted by: Charlie White on October 31, 2008 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

Rapid Eddie: If Michelle Obama had a teenage daughter and a similar chain of events had unfolded, do you think anyone on the right would be giving them the benefit of the doubt?

If Michelle had an unmarried, pregnant teenage high school dropout, the Obamas would never have made it through the primaries. But, IOKIYAR

Posted by: Marko on October 31, 2008 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK

The circumstantial evidence of a faked pregnancy is actually pretty overwhelming. (Tidbit: before Palin was nominated, Levi's sister publicly welcomed Trig as a new member of her family.)

Palin's full medical records are not going to be released before the election. Period. The only way they could have gotten away with this would have been to take office, then ask forgiveness like a good Christian.

Oh, but after they lose the election... Oh my.

Posted by: wasilla teen riot on October 31, 2008 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

Trig is Bristol's first child. That is what she is hiding.

Posted by: jillbee on October 31, 2008 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

I would think that she would want the electorate to know that she has a brain tumor that physiologically prevents her from forming sentences with correct syntax.

Posted by: rick on October 31, 2008 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if she's on some kind of mood-altering medication. Bi-polar disorder perhaps? She acts really manic sometimes. Or maybe some kind of anti-anxiety medication. It wouldn't be surprising for a woman with five kids and a high-profile job.

Posted by: Red on October 31, 2008 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

It really doesn't matter. She's just going back to alaska after taking a pounding Tuesday.

Posted by: Saint Zak on October 31, 2008 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK

A really dumb question from a guy. Could medical records establish an abortion history?

Posted by: Catfish on October 31, 2008 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK

Andrew Sullivan's obessions aside, I am not sure what this has to do with anything. I realize it is important to see if a presidential candidate has a serious medical condition, I get that. But why this need to see her records. I don't really care what her sexual or pre-natal history is...I have more than enough reasons to mock, dislike, disregard, and shun her without knowing how she got pregnant or if she gave birth to three aliens back in the early nineties. She is 44 yrs old, she looks healthy, I am sure she has had the same issues all women have.

Digging into this just strikes me as extremely sexist. What everyone seems to want to know is her sexual history, which we don't get to see in male candidates' medical records because they don't take pills or have babies (or not). Please, stop this because some day there will be a fantastic and qualified, progressive and intelligent female candidate who will be facing this exact same intrusion. And don't want to set a precedent for this now

Posted by: poly on October 31, 2008 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

I would think that she would want the electorate to know that she has a brain tumor that physiologically prevents her from forming sentences with correct syntax.

No, I think the medical records will reveal something that she's been hiding.

/snark

Posted by: DH Walker on October 31, 2008 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

NOBODY 8 mos pregnant with a Down syndrome baby flies 11 hours in labor and then drives to a backwoods hospital. There is no kind interpretation of this behavior -- either she had no concern for the baby's health at all or it isn't her baby. The Down syndrome is consistent with an older mother -- odds on -- which suggests she had no concern for the health or survival of the baby.

Ugly stuff.

Posted by: Artemesia on October 31, 2008 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

Catfish: Doesn't have to. Depends on where you go. If she had one in college in Idaho no one may know about it.

IMO: Even with John McCain's advanced age, these records are really personal and are really no one else's business. I wouldn't release my records either. But I would also blatantly say so.

Posted by: amy on October 31, 2008 at 1:43 PM | PERMALINK

poly: I am not sure what this has to do with anything

Only that, as governor of Alaska, she is willing to bamboozle her constituents with outrageous lies, deceits and cover-ups. Not the kind of quality we expect from presidential candidates. Oh, wait...

Posted by: Marko on October 31, 2008 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

Implants maybe?

Posted by: apeman on October 31, 2008 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

she's probably concerned that people will react negatively to her adamantium skeleton. which she totally shouldn't be.

Posted by: tatere on October 31, 2008 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

Face it, for a woman of her age her medical records are likely mostly about her female parts. I for one, really don't want to hear about that stuff.

Posted by: Adagio on October 31, 2008 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

Adagio: I agree, but the whole matter can be put to rest with the release of Trig's birth certificate.

Posted by: on October 31, 2008 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

"for a woman of her age her medical records are likely mostly about her female parts"

that is my point exactly. this just seems grossly invasive and not what the intention of this type of disclosure is supposed to be about. I agree, her political record, her personal actions, her stand on issues--all horrible. as a woman of approx the same age, i would be willing to bet what her records are. and none of them will point to anything other than our desire to some know more about her sexual life.

Sen. Obama submitted a one page medical record and the wingnuts all claimed he was hiding something too. I just assumed a healthy 40ish man, doesn't have a whole lot of medical record to look at! Palin's records will all be OBGYN --and way more intrusive than anything any male candidate will ever have to disclose.

Posted by: poly on October 31, 2008 at 2:08 PM | PERMALINK

Digging into this just strikes me as extremely sexist. What everyone seems to want to know is her sexual history, which we don't get to see in male candidates' medical records because they don't take pills or have babies (or not). Please, stop this because some day there will be a fantastic and qualified, progressive and intelligent female candidate who will be facing this exact same intrusion. And don't want to set a precedent for this now.

Actually, although I made reference to her sexual history, I'd be more interested in her mental health, even though I'm pretty sure she's the type who'd never get treatment. No, but you're right, of course; and yet it's a little more complicated than that. Just as Larry Craig and that ex-Florida rep on the down low in men's rooms are our business because both of them made careers of legislatively denouncing teh gay (it's the hypocrisy, fellas), parts of Sarah Palin's reproductive history--for example, whether this insanely anti-choice woman has ever availed herself of a choice--is of passing interest to me because of what it says about her public vs. private personae.

And yet, if she had an abortion, it's really none of our business, even if few on the left would denounce her for it and all of her base certainly would. I don't really know how we get around the need to know about a candidate's basic health beyond "she looks healthy" without violating people's privacy, particularly their sexual privacy. As more women go for high office, I imagine this will get resolved one way or another.

Posted by: shortstop on October 31, 2008 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Why throw some of the most intimate details of your life out there when you are about to lose? One less thing for the vultures to pick through, especially since it would be a needless sacrifice.

That being said, who among us does not think there are clearly some odd things buried in the Palin nee Heath family basement? And those things could show up in the medical records, like possible treatment for depression, or something else that would be equally innocuous in the lower 48 but would send the right wing crazy.

Posted by: bluewave on October 31, 2008 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

I shouldn't say this. It's wrong. It's nothing but loony gossip that shouldn't be dignified with an . . . arrrgh, can't stop myself!

WHERE IS TRIG PALIN'S BIRTH RECORD, ANYWAY? And where are Sarah's medical charts from during her pregnancy? And if no one can find them, why not?

Posted by: T-Rex on October 31, 2008 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK

The holdup is Trig Palin’s parentage . Duh.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on October 31, 2008 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, and as an atheist, I want to sue Kay Hagan for defamation.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on October 31, 2008 at 2:18 PM | PERMALINK

I've been more than cautious concerning Trig's birth rumors, especially since oh the whole it's irrelevant to her governing incompetence, but why the hell would she trow it out there like this, "I'm healthy, happy, I've had five kids, that's going to be in the medical records," when she knows questions abound?

She's either guilty or having fun with conspiracy theorists.

Reminds me of Grandpa Simpson:

My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star.

Posted by: doubtful on October 31, 2008 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

poly: Digging into this just strikes me as extremely sexist.

Why is it sexist when the issue only exists because she refuses to release her records? As I see it, she does nothing but fan the flames.

Let's remember that she demanded to see, I believe, medical records of her opponent while running for governor.

Posted by: inthewoods on October 31, 2008 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not sure anyone has a right to know whether Trig is Sarah's or not (though they surely have the right to speculate if Palin won't prove it). In general, I think a prez/veep candidate's only obligation is to prove that s/he doesn't have a health problem that might affect his/her discharge of presidential duties. A thorough examination from an independent physician would surely suffice (perhaps combined with a questionnaire covering relevant medical history).

Posted by: kth on October 31, 2008 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

I hate to keep harping on this, but i guess after this incredibly stressful election season! i am unable to stop myself.

if she had an abortion or has had a rivetingly complicated sexual life or if she has only ever been sexual with her husband, none of this changes the horror of her policy of wanting to eliminate any woman's right to choose adequate health care for herself. yes, hypocrisy is bad but the policy is far more destructive.

same goes for larry craig. i don't care if he is now or never has been teh gay, he is still horrible.

many forty + yr old woman have no medical records aside from a few gyno appointments needed to get birth control and mammograms. add in pregnancies and you get more gyno appts and prenatal care. most of us aren't chronically ill. BTW-mental illness doesn't show up in standard pap smears!

Posted by: poly on October 31, 2008 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK

My guess is she had some postpartum depression and that's why the pastor prayed for witchcraft to be powerless against her. The old folk wisdom about depression not being a real disease. Wouldn't want people to think that someone that close to the reigns of power might have a depressive history.

Other than that, maybe birth control, marijuana use, STD or other such "icky" thing that the RR would abhor. An abortion wouldn't necessarily be in her records unless she informed her gynecologist early on, since it does, in some instances, have a bearing on uterine health and subsequent pregnancy and doctors DO ask.

Posted by: Always Hopeful on October 31, 2008 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

Most Wasilla folks just have minor stuff, ya know ... the meth, the STDs, and the wintertime antidepressants!

Posted by: Observer on October 31, 2008 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not sure anyone has a right to know whether Trig is Sarah's or not

Well, when you run on "family values" you better not have any skeletons in the closet. I find the hypocrisy of these right-wing conservatives more disgusting than the deeds they try to cover up. And IMHO, Palin's pre-labor plane trips warrant a better explanation to her constituents than what she has put out there.

Posted by: Marko on October 31, 2008 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

If she *did* release her medical records, they would show that she was not pregnant and did not deliver this year. *That* in turn would get her into hot water with child protection services - even up in Alaska...- because then her now 17 y/o daughter, who is the *real* mom of Trig, would have been knocked-up while she was still 15 years old (the now 17 y/o will be a second-time-mom later this year).

Posted by: on October 31, 2008 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

I hate to keep harping on this...

Yeah sure...
Spoken with the glib wet insincerity of a Palinism.

Looky:

Caribou Barbie is an inveterate liar. Everything that comes out of her is suspect. Everything. She either lies outright or she embellishes the truth to the nth power. Bridges to planes to pipelines to nowhere. Bullshit to everywhere....

There is reason to believe Trig isn't her kid.
There is reason to believe she faked a pregnancy.
Quite frankly, I don't want someone who is capable of such a primordial psychological deception representing me or my country. As a tax-paying citizen I have a right to see the evidence.

Enough said.

Posted by: koreyel on October 31, 2008 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

What is sexist is allow a female candidate to be treated differently that a male.

The Democratic VP candidate released his medical history of brain aneurysms. The young, healthy Democratic Presidential candidate released the test results from nearly a decade of checkups. Female candidates should be expected to release just as much medical info as their male counterparts. To expect less is to consider them lesser candidates.

This standard holds even if Palin's surprise pregnancy and early labor and suicidal air travel was all just a string of wacky madcap coincidences.


Posted by: counterpoint on October 31, 2008 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

Jack from Sebring on October 31, 2008 at 1:15 PM:
"Marriage Records and Birth Records are both public info."

So... WHERE ARE THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF TRIG'S BIRTH??? Isn't there ANY curious person up in Alaska who will check out the records in person??? (I tried online, but there are simply too many registrations required and fees to be paid in order to get to the so-called 'public' records from up there!

Posted by: on October 31, 2008 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK

no, Trig is her kid because a teen is just not likely to have a Down's Syndrome child.
as for why she will not release records, maybe she had amniocentesis or other tests during her pregnancy with Trig that are suggestive that she considered abortion which given her rabid pro-life stance, would kill her support amongst the fundies.

Posted by: on October 31, 2008 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, *normally* teens do not give birth to Down Syndrome babies. However, teens that are looking a bit too deep into the alcohol bottle and are partying around in meth-circles *DO* tend to have DS babies a bit more often. Besides - who knows who the *real* father is? Inbreeding also promotes DS kids...

You can't tell me that a multigravida (woman who has had several kids) has her water break sometime early in the morning, gives a speech several hours later, then goes on a 11 hour plane flight (with stopover), drives herself past two neonatal-specialty hospitals in order to go to a tiny hospital to have her special-needs-baby delivered by a 'regular' doctor who does NOT specialize in high-risk pregnency (is not even an OBGYN!).
IMPOSSIBLE! A woman who has delivered FOUR babies will get herself to a hospital ASAP after her water breaks, because that means that THE BIRTH IS IMMINENT!!!

Posted by: on October 31, 2008 at 3:27 PM | PERMALINK

same goes for larry craig. i don't care if he is now or never has been teh gay, he is still horrible.

And why is he horrible? In part because he campaigns and votes against equal rights regardless of sexual orientation. Get it now? Not just hypocrisy but actual legislative action make things our business that ordinarily wouldn't be our business.

Sarah Palin wants to amend the fucking constitution to take away my and every other woman's control of her reproduction. That's a highly extreme position that understandably evokes some interest in her own reproductive history, although I'm not convinced it outweighs candidates' right to privacy where health issues not affecting an ability to do the job of prez are concerned.

BTW-mental illness doesn't show up in standard pap smears!

Thanks for explaining that. Since you're the only one arguing that she's never been to a doctor who isn't an OB/GYN, I'm not sure who you're trying to convince.

Posted by: shortstop on October 31, 2008 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

Personally, I don't give a damn about who gave birth to Trig or whether she had an abortion or even if she's on contraceptives.

I am kind of curious, though, about whether she's been "runnin' for the shelter of Mother's Little Helpers", if you know what I mean. Or does she just talk that way straight?

Posted by: biggerbox on October 31, 2008 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK

there's not a doubt in my mind that the Palin clan is a week's worth of Springer episodes waiting to happen, but for the most part, it's moot. Voters deserve to know that presidential & veep candidates are of sound mind & body. They deserve to know if they're on anything that could impair their judgment (or if they need to be). The Oval Office isn't exactly a stress-free environment, and the second-string to a 72 year old POW with a history of cancer needs to be in top-notch shape as odds are better than most there will be an unfortunate promotion in the future. For that reason, her records should be made public. And if it so happens to prove who the real mother (AND father) of Sarah's baby is, so be it.

Posted by: slappy magoo on October 31, 2008 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

shortstop...that was my point, 'larry craig is horrible' because of his voting history and his hateful positions, not his sexual preference-gay or hetero. if he wasn't in a position of influence over others, his hypocrisy would be pathetic but
not nearly so destructive.

I also think, i was making the same point about palin's policy decisions and political stance...i think i said that though. i must have been unclear.

we are in agreement, although i think i was misunderstood-if i am reading your tone correctly. my frustration with this whole line of thinking on palin is the focus on her last pregnancy or lack of it. it seems like a 'violation of privacy and not relevant to her ability to do the job of prez'. i dislike this woman completely.

maybe i am wrong, but much of this line of criticism of her strikes me as sexist. There are so many other reasons to argue against her that aren't. that was my point.

Posted by: poly on October 31, 2008 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

She isn't releasing her medical records........hmm, maybe Palin is being treated for being an extreme whacked out diva?
Probably.

Posted by: mary b on October 31, 2008 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

I realize I'm flogging a dead horse here, but:

"If that will allow some curiosity seekers perhaps to have one more thing that they either check the box off that they can find something to criticize or to rest them assured over."

Is that supposed to be a sentence?

Posted by: Thlayli on October 31, 2008 at 4:45 PM | PERMALINK

Thought experiment:

In 1995, a 15 year old Chelsea Clinton is photographed with a prominent belly. Shortly thereafter, Chelsea is removed from school with a severe case of mono.

A few months later Hillary Clinton announces she is seven months pregnant, although she has not and does not show any signs of pregnancy. In her second public appearance after announcing this, she suddenly has a huge pregnant belly. At this time, Chelsea hasn't seen in public for three months.

A month after announcing the pregnancy, Clinton is giving a speech in California when her water breaks. She avoids all medical attention, and immediately boards a commercial flight to New York. She then boards a connecting flight to DC. After arrival, she drives for another hour and a half -- past several hospitals with advanced neo-natal care units -- to her personal doctor at a small hospital in rural Virgina. Which happens to be at the same small hospital where Chelsea is being treated for mono.

After the birth, Hillary Clinton immediately loses all the extra weight, and Chelsea is the only one seen in public holding the baby. The sister of Chelsea's boyfriend then posts a picture of the baby to her MySpace page calling him her new baby brother.

Just sayin'

Posted by: counterpoint on October 31, 2008 at 4:59 PM | PERMALINK

In my opinion, her medical records will show past use of antidepressants

that's why she won't come clean

nothing to be embarrassed about, I've been on them myself, but in the loonie land of conservatism, weakness CANNOT be shown

Posted by: TonyT on October 31, 2008 at 5:05 PM | PERMALINK

Marko and Koreyel are right. And, in my blog post referenced above, I also discuss the Down's syndrome red herring. It's not impossible by any means for a teen mother to have a Down's child. And, in fact, because of the vastly greater number of teen pregnancies vs. over-40 pregnancies --

The number of Down's syndrome children born to teen mothers is greater than the number born to over-40 mothers.

And that doesn't count what one other person said, about the influence of alcohol or drugs on fetal development.

As for it being relevant, I've said it before and will say it again -- the Religious Right has made antiprivacy a campaign issue for decades. Palin is just being hoist by her own petard. She brought this on in spades with trotting out Bristol at the convention.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on October 31, 2008 at 5:11 PM | PERMALINK

While we're at it, too -- where's Bristol Palin been hiding at in recent weeks and why? Could it have to do with playing political/cover-up games over the length of her (current) pregnancy?

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on October 31, 2008 at 5:29 PM | PERMALINK

Sometimes Steve you remind me of the hunters walking through the pasture and come upon a big pile of shit...and after feeling, smelling, and tasting say I'm sure glad we didn't step in it.

Of course Palin has something to hide. Everything she has been secretive about when outed revealed something she needed to hide. For everybody to just pass over as coincidental the comparison to her daughter's situation and her surprising childbirth sounds like self blinding because they don't want to see the truth. She'll release her medical records as soon as she discovers a way to conceal the truth about her daughter's giving birth to a baby she claims she gave birth to. No one would really care about that except for the great lengths Palin went to to be deceitful. When something seems too coincidental... it's probably not. Palin has never been honest about her activities so I wonder why you are so quick to give her the benefit of the doubt when she proves so undeserving of that benefit. She's been convicted of ethics violations by her own state and is dumb enough and an egomaniac so thinks she should easily be able to smile, wink and giggle and get away with lying. It always worked before.

Posted by: bjobotts on October 31, 2008 at 6:22 PM | PERMALINK

All you guys hypothesizing some secretive agenda on the part of the Palin family are totally barking up the wrong lodgepole pine. The reason that the medical records haven't shown up yet is that moosetrains are notoriously prone to detours for feeding, rutting, fighting, and general mooseplay. Moose are famous for being intractable and difficult to organize, so there's nothing nefarious about the delay. The records are projected to arrive in Washington in mid-January, and by then Vice-President Palin will be happy to review them with Domestic Policy advisors Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh on Fox.

Posted by: bluestatedon on October 31, 2008 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

She's probably afraid we'll find out about her extensive psychological profile. You know---the one about as big as that aircraft carrier named after Ronald Reagan....

Posted by: Steve W. on October 31, 2008 at 8:59 PM | PERMALINK

Hate to go here, but Palin's last child has Down's -- which is really rare for women under 30 but all too common for women over 40. The idea that Bristol is the mom just doesn't wash -- we're talking odds of 10000:1 vs 10:1.

Posted by: idlemind on October 31, 2008 at 9:10 PM | PERMALINK

Socialist communist liberal trotskyite bloggers would make scurrilous inferences about the Haldol doctors prescribed solely, exclusively for her PMS.

Posted by: god on October 31, 2008 at 9:18 PM | PERMALINK

he idea that Bristol is the mom just doesn't wash -- we're talking odds of 10000:1 vs 10:1.

Not quite that big a jump.

Age 15-19: 1 in 1,250.
Age 35: 1 in 350.
Age 45: 1 in 40.

Family history also counts. So does the mother smoking, drinking and taking oral contraceptives (the last apparently not applicable here).

Posted by: on October 31, 2008 at 10:06 PM | PERMALINK

EXCLUSIVE: Washington Monthly.

We have just received word from Dr. A Powers about why her medical records have been concealed:

"It's a MAN, baby!"

That and she has several fractured vertebrae from the Katie Couric interview.

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on November 1, 2008 at 9:27 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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