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November 6, 2008

THE 'BLOODBATH' IS BOUND TO GET UGLY.... About a week ago, Jim Nuzzo, a White House aide to the first President Bush, took issue with Sarah Palin critics in the Republican Party, calling them "cocktail party conservatives" who "give aid and comfort to the enemy." He predicted that, after the election, there would be a "bloodbath." Nuzzo explained, "A lot of people are going to be excommunicated. David Brooks and David Frum and Peggy Noonan are dead people in the Republican Party. The litmus test will be: where did you stand on Palin?"

We talked earlier about McCain aides trashing Palin, leaking word about the governor's apparent ignorance and emotional instability. With that in mind, it appears the "bloodbath" is already getting underway. Here's an item from RedState's Erick Erickson, published last night.

RedState is pleased to announce it is engaging in a special project: Operation Leper.

We're tracking down all the people from the McCain campaign now whispering smears against Governor Palin to Carl Cameron and others. Michelle Malkin has the details.

We intend to constantly remind the base about these people, monitor who they are working for, and, when 2012 rolls around, see which candidates hire them. Naturally then, you'll see us go to war against those candidates.

Erickson added, in an all-bold font, "It is our expressed intention to make these few people political lepers." The list now has three names, all of whom have been top McCain aides who also worked in the Bush White House: Nicolle Wallace, Steve Schmidt, and Mark McKinnon. (Erickson's "leper" list misspells Wallace's name.)

When Jim Nuzzo first brought up the looming "bloodbath," Yglesias raised a good point: "I'm actually one who thinks that the occasional ideological purge can strengthen a movement, but this would be a seriously odd basis for conducting such a cleansing exercise. Nuzzo is talking about a blind test of loyalty, not any kind of substantive demarcation of conservatism."

"Operation Leper" seems to fall into the same category.

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Oh goody! Let them tear themselves apart like the Democrats did in the late 60s and 70s. Splintering will effectively diminish the party.

Posted by: jen f on November 6, 2008 at 10:47 AM | PERMALINK

Looks like I'd better stock up on popcorn. This circular firing squad is gonna take some time.

Posted by: HenryR on November 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM | PERMALINK

In my opinion, it would be better to be on the "leper" list, because then people will know you're not one of the crazies...

Posted by: Matt on November 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM | PERMALINK

I think it sends the wrong signal for Obama to be appointing Democrats to his cabinet.

Posted by: David Broder on November 6, 2008 at 10:49 AM | PERMALINK

Who the hell do you guys think you are? Communists?

Posted by: Former Dan on November 6, 2008 at 10:49 AM | PERMALINK

Sarah Palin, the gift that keeps on giving!

Posted by: Ted76 on November 6, 2008 at 10:52 AM | PERMALINK

I'm actually one who thinks that the occasional ideological purge can strengthen a movement

What movement? The racist xenophobic jingoist treasury robbing movement?

That segment of the GOP is going to run into the cold hard reality of irreversible demographic changes in this country.

Sorry Sarah, but the idea that "American" = "White Christian" is numerically dead forever. The few remaining intelligent folks within the GOP power structure need to pull their heads out of their own rhetorical asses and take stock of what the 21st century world really looks like.

A battle between Palinistas and everyone else will lead to the extincition of the GOP.

A civil debate between a "values centered" populist like Huckabee vs. a "smart and small government" type like Newt (or maybe a rising star like Jindal) might actually lead to an improved GOP that would act as a legitimate center right foil to the center left Democrats, with other parties like Green and Libertarian defining more ideological boundaries.

I don't want one party rule in this country, but I'm confident that extinction is the best thing that could happen to the current GOP. I just don't think they have enough ideological diversity to evolve at this point.

Posted by: lobbygow on November 6, 2008 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

but...but what if PALIN hires these people to run her campaign? what will Red State do then?

after all, McCain hired the very same people who slimed him, so its not unprecedented.

this sad little fatwa (sp?) will run out of steam faster than a New Year's resolution to start dieting.

Posted by: rob! on November 6, 2008 at 10:54 AM | PERMALINK

Umm... shouldn't Malkin herself be on that list?

Posted by: dejah on November 6, 2008 at 11:03 AM | PERMALINK

I love it. Loyal, sensible Americans looked upon Palin's pick with shock and dismay. Like McCain, the more Republicans journey into Crazy Base Land, the more time they'll spend in the electoral wilderness.

These jokers seem dead-set in proving regular commentator howard's prediction that the Republican Party will wind up as merely a Southern regional party, clinging to the very dregs of the Confederacy. Good riddance.

Posted by: Gregory on November 6, 2008 at 11:04 AM | PERMALINK

What's next for the right, make these lepers wear gold stars and send them to a concentration camp? Seems like that's a proper analogy because they are saying "you were not with us, you are weakening our bloodlines, thus we need to get rid of you."

Posted by: Joe D on November 6, 2008 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

The rightwing in this country has been reduced to supporting an ignorant if physically attractive figurehead as its torchbearer.

For the sake of the US itself, I hope Palin gets shoved off the boat. Nice as it would be to have a political airhead like her running for the GOP in 2012, the idea that she could once again have a national platform from which she could incite her followers to do heinous things, all in the guise of being "real Americans," is chilling.

Posted by: castanea on November 6, 2008 at 11:12 AM | PERMALINK

Oddly Faux shluld be on thei list of lepers. They mwere promoting all kinds of anti-Palin stuff just yesterday, mostly examples of her ignorance: Africa is not a countrty, the countries in NAFTA etc.

Posted by: wonkie on November 6, 2008 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

It would be a badge of honor to be considered a leper by those...people.

The GOP deserves this, though. They actively courted the volatile ignorant vote, and then tossed gasoline on the fire by not reining Palin in when her rhetoric reached fever levels.

This was inevitable. That particular faction really has mental health problems en masse.

Posted by: jcricket on November 6, 2008 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

I heart RedState!!

Posted by: Monty on November 6, 2008 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

So, boldly taking a path that started with a throw of the dice that will most certainly lead to oblivion. Well, even the Neanderthals did not do it consciously. Why do some of these conservatives share such fatalism? Are there lemming genes mixed into the human gene pool? And where do they get off by questioning our choice for a different path?

Posted by: lou on November 6, 2008 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

How grotesque, and see what Operation Leper etc. tells us about the Republican mentality. I love the smell of scape-palm in the morning after! Not only are they fighting, they can't even agree on who did what. Now Randy Scheunemann (IIRC, the Georgia lobbyist who may have tickled them into a confrontation with Russia) claims he wasn't fired after all!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/mccain-adviser-disputes-campaign-i-was-not-fired/?eref=politicalflipper

McCain aide disputes sources, denies firing
Posted: 07:54 AM ET

From CNN Correspondent Dana Bash
Scheunemann (above, with Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin) denies he was dismissed from the campaign.
Scheunemann (above, with Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin) denies he was dismissed from the campaign.

(CNN) — In another sign of drama and disarray inside camp McCain, former campaign senior adviser Randy Scheunemann responded late Wednesday to CNN and insisted he was "not fired and never [have] been fired."

In addition, Michael Goldfarb, a McCain press aide and Scheunemann ally, also insisted he was not fired.

Earlier: Sources: McCain aide fired for trashing staff: [link left out due to dopey WaMo policy overly restricting # of URLs.]

Posted by: Neil B on November 6, 2008 at 11:15 AM | PERMALINK

Where do I contribute?

The sundering of the Republican party is a cause I can really get behind!

Posted by: doubtful on November 6, 2008 at 11:16 AM | PERMALINK

I was getting concerned I wouldn't know what to do with all this time now that the election is over. Thank you GOP for finding a new way for me to waste time.

Posted by: NHCt on November 6, 2008 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

You write: Nuzzo explained, "A lot of people are going to be excommunicated... The litmus test will be: where did you stand on Palin?"

Please, please, please let this be true.

To be a good Republican, one must support candidates who do not know that Africa is a continent and who "loot" Neiman Marcus stores on someone else's dime. The party of ignorant free-loaders. Plus liars (Bridge to Nowhere) and power abusers (let's fire some more law-enforcement officers).

The party of Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Dwight Eisenhower is dead. The party, even, of Reagan and Poppy Bush is sinking fast. Actually, that's not fair to the word "sinking."

Posted by: CMcC on November 6, 2008 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

Fine by me if they want Sarah Palin to be the future of the Republican Party. Doom then to minority status for years.

Then maybe, just maybe we will reach single payer national health insurance in my lifetime.

Posted by: Tigershark on November 6, 2008 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

It would make some sense to take names and hold grudges if the point were to punish those who engage in a particularly cowardly and damaging type of circular firing squad. It makes no sense to so out of blind love for Miss Wasilla.

But the Republicans in general are going to have a hard time working through this - and much of it is medium-term electoral strategies blowing up in their faces. They stoked an anti-coastal, anti-media, anti-Ivy-League anti-intellecualism and anti-elitism that suggests that Joe-the-Unlicensed-Plumber is far better at driving policy than a former government official now Harvard Ph.D. working at a think tank. That will be one fight: the heirs of Buckley (figuratively and literally) who saw conservatism as an intellectual pursuit versus the torches and pitchforks populists who are proud to be C students.

Another really big problem (although my guess is the players line up similarly to the fight described above) is capitalists versus theocrats. I was listening to NPR's On Point this morning with a bunch o Republican strategists and one (a San Diego talk radio guy) was talking about "first principles" and how they can win if they return to them. After priasing the victory of Prop 8, he said in a single breath that "first principles" included "defending traditional values" and "individual liberty." He said this with no sense of irony, and no apparent identification of the contradiction. If the Republicans don't understand the distinction, it will be hard to please either the theocons or the libertarians in their midst. At a higher and more sophisticated (and less political) level this fight will play out between social conservatives and the business community. Discrimination is bad for business; big corporations will increasingly support gay rights and immigration rights which will drive an ever-deeper wedge between the old-line pro-business Republicans and the post-1980 culture warriors.

I'll have two large buckets with extra butter, some junior mints, and a large Dr. Pepper please!

Posted by: zeitgeist on November 6, 2008 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

The few intelligent Republicans remaining that aren't redstaters and wanna be stalinists like Norquist and Rush will spend the next 4 years trying to recruit blacks ann latinos and mimicking Obama's ground up organization.

It will take alot longer though. The Obama/Dem brand is firmly imprinted on a generation of 15 to 25 year old that largely doesn't give two shits about skin color and how your name sounds. much the same way Kennedy was. RFK would have won in a landslide so think about that when you read George Will's idiotic column from today abotu how Republicans were able to rebound from '64 rather quickly.

Yeah George, it was kind of easy since someone carried out targeted assassinations against the best and the brightest the left had to offer over the course of 5 years.

They/We should turn the Palinistas into a marginalized faction of paranoid white kooks.

Posted by: grinning cat on November 6, 2008 at 11:19 AM | PERMALINK

Dear RedState,

Sarah Palin is an idiot and a fucking whackjob.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell on November 6, 2008 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

More power to 'em! Let the GOP rally around a Bible-thumping, corrupt, bigoted empty suit. In a couple of months, they will no longer be driving the coutnry off a cliff, but they are more than welcome to drive their own party all the way to the very depths of hell.

It is no better than they deserve.

Posted by: David Bailey on November 6, 2008 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

bigoted empty suit.

Hey that's a damn expensive empty suit, bub.

Posted by: ckelly on November 6, 2008 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINK

Major mistake by Double Talk's handlers in not letting Sarah be Sarah - So much to impart.

Why was she muzzled on iceing, blue line, empty nets, high sticking, five for five (Five minute penalty for fighting)and her vast knowledge of "hockey pucks"?

Posted by: berttheclock on November 6, 2008 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINK

One of my favorite election day anecdotes. . . we live in a state that McCain was allegedly contesting. The Wifegeist was working as an Obama poll-watcher all afternoon at a fairly R precinct in a mainly D county. Each party is allowed to have up to 3. Dems had 2, R's had 0.

Around 5 pm, a Republican shows up and announces he is a poll watcher. He has none of the requisite official credentials. He asked what he is supposed to do (there are, at this point, 800 voter slips on the table that would take him until well after poll closing to get through). Wifegeist, being too kind, offers that normally the point is to see who has voted already so you know who you still want to try and turn out. Repub guy points to her big box full of index cards of identified supporters and asks "where do you get those cards?"

She politely said that she really couldn't be of more help, that she needed to keep up on her work. It took all of her grace to avoid saying what she told me later was screaming in head:

"Those community organizing skills look pretty useful about now, don't they? Too bad your candidate doesn't have any."

Posted by: zeitgeist on November 6, 2008 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

I've read some blogs calling for the heads of the cocktail conservatives. Some even blame Romney. Others plan to paste "Thank you President Bush" bumper stickers on their cars. I'm not gloating, but crap, this is hilarious.

Dialing Joe the Plumber! The septic tank has exploded!

Posted by: MissMudd on November 6, 2008 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

Let the GOP rally around a Bible-thumping, corrupt, bigoted empty suit.

Why not? That's been the GOP's raison goddamn etre.

Posted by: Gregory on November 6, 2008 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

"David Brooks and David Frum and Peggy Noonan are dead people in the Republican Party."

Yeah, that ought to work. Kick the smart people off the boat. Start a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel.

Palin in 2012!

Posted by: Sarah Barracuda on November 6, 2008 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

"the occasional ideological purge can strengthen a movement"

Sort of like political Ex-Lax?

Posted by: bluestatedon on November 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM | PERMALINK

These jokers seem dead-set in proving regular commentator howard's prediction that the Republican Party will wind up as merely a Southern regional party, clinging to the very dregs of the Confederacy.

Given the party's anti-slavery origins, I can only quote Alanis Morrissette: "Isn't it ironic, doncha think?"

Posted by: Vincent on November 6, 2008 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

Let's see, cocktail party conservatives.. Well, there's George W. Bush for one, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott, Ted Stevens, Michelle Malkin, Bill O'really?.. Oh, the cocktail party is over, what a shame!

Posted by: The Galloping Trollop on November 6, 2008 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

Here's a good summation of the right's mental illness;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/a-childs-garden-of-right_n_141609.html

These people are mentally ill.

Posted by: grinning cat on November 6, 2008 at 11:45 AM | PERMALINK

I'm still waiting for WardrobeGate to get down to the dirty details.

There was that event where La Palin was wearing a white coat, and little Piper came out in a white coat also. (This ending of sentences with "also" is getting addictive even.)

Anywho, La Palin's coat looked like a nice white trenchcoat, but Little Piper's had a big wrap/caped collar and it looked like she was carrying a muff!

All you guys (and maybe some gals) who don't know what kind of "muff" I'm referring to, clean up your minds. It's a cylindrical hand warmer. You stick one hand in each end, and it has been out of date for at least 60 years, but seems to be making a comeback. I saw what's-her-name Mullaley wearing one as I channel surfed past her show, "The Starter Wife" or whatever it's called.

A muff is practically the definition of "ostentatious."

Posted by: Cal Gal on November 6, 2008 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

"The party of Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Dwight Eisenhower is dead. The party, even, of Reagan and Poppy Bush is sinking fast"

Oh, the irony...Good Ol' Tricky Dick himself—whose 1968 Southern Strategy and politics of resentment has inevitably led to the bizarrely mutated GOP we see today—would now be considered far too liberal to have any standing in the party in 2008.

Posted by: bluestatedon on November 6, 2008 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK

"the occasional ideological purge can strengthen a movement," sure, but on the way up, when a smaller core of true believers can shift debate with clear, consistent, and (seemingly) new ideas. But that's already happened for this bunch (see Goldwater, Barry). It's been decades since the nuts have shifted the debate and decided to go along with the Wall Street folks so they could win elections for something other than school board. This election proved that their garbage by itself is not enough to win. So what's their response? Stick their heads in the sand and make enemies lists. Kickass! Keep up the good work, Glorious Lamebrain Army! Whoo!

Posted by: Jon Coit on November 6, 2008 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK

Mesomorph...

The Palin Kool-Aid is powerful stuff.

She radiates sensuality. As Maher said the other night: She's a breeder not a reader. Get stuck with her out of town on a business trip, and you might very well get lucky. Put brutally: She has Monroe-eyes and transmits loudly in the fuckability band...

Now mix in some crazy Christianity and stand back! That's a volatile emotive brew for a lot of our fellow citizens. I suspect she is going to rip the GOP apart.

Posted by: koreyel on November 6, 2008 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK

Oh Good the Gestapo continues to reign in the dabuacle called the Republican party.

Posted by: mljohnston on November 6, 2008 at 11:52 AM | PERMALINK

Re: "a blind test of loyalty"

This is it exactly. What this country is witnessing is the distillation (or 'purification,' if you will) of nationalist/corporate authoritarianism in America; fascism by any rational metric. And Palin is the perfect 'chosen one,' an even more projection-friendly, vacuous vessel than Bushboy. Everything about her - her stunning lack of global and political awareness; her small-time, feral lust for power; her inability to form a extended, coherent thought – will become a part of an ongoing, mutually defining discourse with the white knuckled desperation of lizard brained emotional cripples who were so close, so close.....
In other words, what we are witnessing, and will continue to witness, is the public codification of American religio-nativist-fascism. Most industrialized societies have some recognized, public representation of authoritarian nationalists; the people of the United States have been for some time living the lie that we are immune from this, that by clinging to increasingly strained myths of common interests we can somehow escape the political stratification inevitable to every complex society.
I say, let ‘er rip. Let Palin rally the masses, let the exclusionists have their niche. It will serve any number of purposes, not the least of which being a level of honesty and maturity about who and what we really are. Plus, this move allows a long overdue balancing of the political scales, where the radical left in this country has never had a culturally accepted and readily identifiable counterpoint on the right. With Palin et al. this changes, and never mind how good those ‘radical’ socialists might look compared to unhinged Palinists. Another benefit is the “fascist in the coal mine” effect, where a great barometer of a nation’s economic health and societal well-being would be the ebb and flow of Palinist/fascist power. And finally, if religio-nationalist authoritarians have a public voice and a public presence, then perhaps it becomes less a case of secretive weasels hiding in dark corners, and more the case of, well, we know who and where and what they are.
Anyways, regardless of all such considerations there is no doubt that we are seeing, and will continue to see, the emergence and codification of a publicly defined, uniquely All-American brand of populist fascism. Good on us.

Posted by: Conrad's Ghost on November 6, 2008 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

I feel a little dirty for enjoying this as much as I am. I know I am supposed to take the higher ground, but the Republican Party's self destruction is just so richly deserved.

I think lobbygow (above) gets it about right:

"I don't want one party rule in this country, but I'm confident that extinction is the best thing that could happen to the current GOP. I just don't think they have enough ideological diversity to evolve at this point."

Posted by: HungChad on November 6, 2008 at 11:59 AM | PERMALINK

Umm... shouldn't Malkin herself be on that list?Posted by: dejah

And speaking of female right wing whack jobs, what rock has Anne Coulter been hiding under during this campaign? I can't remember seeing or hearing of her in months.

Posted by: Jeff II on November 6, 2008 at 11:59 AM | PERMALINK

Jeff II - please do not summon Coulter!

Posted by: HungChad on November 6, 2008 at 12:01 PM | PERMALINK

Jeff II and HungChad, you've now said that name twice.

It is very important that you do not say it a third time!

Posted by: zeitgeist on November 6, 2008 at 12:07 PM | PERMALINK

Well, it's mighty interesting to think of encouraging campaigns to exile operatives who trashed people you support....in view of the fact that McCain fully embraced the exact same operatives who trashed him and his family in 2000.

And are the Malkins, et al, stating they don't believe the stories about Palin? Or that they believe them but they don't care?

Posted by: g on November 6, 2008 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

Jefferson Davis and Nathan Bedford Forrest are so very proud of the current interlopers into the Republican Party. A coup from within. Funny how the Know Nothings first joined with the Abolitionists to form the original Republican Party. The original Know Nothings were simply named for refusing to answer questions; the new Know Nothings are named for their lack of knowledge, but, they work so well with the remnants of the old CSA.

Posted by: berttheclock on November 6, 2008 at 12:19 PM | PERMALINK

So, like a MORE stupid PUMA group?

Posted by: ThatGuy on November 6, 2008 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

This is great. We should all keep track of the "leper" list and remind these brave keyboard commandos every time they post anything remotely conciliatory about any of the "lepers". In the coming Republican civil war, I want to hand out the ammunition.

Posted by: dmd76 on November 6, 2008 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

Funny how the Know Nothings first joined with the Abolitionists to form the original Republican Party

The Know-Nothings won, with Tricky Dick's help as previously noted.

Southern Strategy only works to maintain electoral majorities when there is an unlimited supply of Know-Nothings. That supply is dwindling.

I still think the best bet for the short term is for someone like Huckabee to recruit religious Latinos and make a tenuous peace with the Robber Baron types. He can then broaden and soften the wedge issues so they feel more like pillows to the center. He started this strategy with this year's campaign - one example was the way he redefine "pro-life" to mean more than just the abortion issue. To paraphrase, he said something like "if we care more about unborn children than children who are living in poverty or without healthcare, then we've failed to be truly pro life." I heard Sam Brownback of all people parroting that line on NPR yesterday when asked what sort of introspection was needed for the GOP.

Huckabee is also the most likable of all the candidates they fielded this year, and could think much faster on his feet than any of those idiots.

He'll still face the same demographic challenges I noted earlier, but he seems capable of the sort of rhetorical voodoo needed to transform the "American = White Christian" idea into "American = values driven conservative religious person of any Judeo-Christian denomination and any ethnic background with a few token Muslims for good measure."

He can also sell a "limited safety net" to acknowledge the reality of employment stability in a volatile global economy.

He's the only one I really worry about from a purely strategic standpoint. Especially given that I think the Latino vote is still up for grabs.

Posted by: lobbygow on November 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

The Red Staters are the new Red Guard

The first wave to call themselves "Red Guards" in China were a group of students at the Tsinghua University Middle School who used the name Red Guards to sign two big-character posters issued on 29 May and 2 June 1966. The students believed that the criticism of the play Hai Rui Dismissed from Office was a political issue and needed greater attention. The group of students, led by Zhang Chengzhi and Nie Yuanzi, originally wrote the posters as a constructive criticism towards Tsinghua University’s administration, which was accused of harboring "intellectual elitism" and "bourgeois".

Posted by: gwangung on November 6, 2008 at 12:56 PM | PERMALINK

lobbygow, some good points on Huckabee. I certainly don't agree with much of what he stands for, but there is a "happy warrior" quality about him, as well as a sense of true "compassionate conservatism" (if such a thing genuinely exists), far more so than anything George W. showed in Texas. (And from what I gather, Huckabee was perceived as a competent governor in Arkansas, a state where the governor has more constitutional power than in Texas.)

Don't get me wrong -- I don't want to see him in the White House -- but in a worst-case scenario for 2012, where nothing has gone right in an Obama administration (for reasons perhaps beyond their control), I'd sure rather see Huckabee as the GOP opponent with a reasonable shot at winning than Palin.

Posted by: Vincent on November 6, 2008 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

Do you think Operation Leper should include Colin Powell, Scottie McClellan and Ken Adelman? After all they all said mean things about Sarah Palin, too.

Looks like the GOP circular firing squad is starting to take shape. . .

Posted by: pj in jesusland on November 6, 2008 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

zeitgeist - OMG, you are so right! The powers of "she-whose-name-shall-not-be-spoken" completely overwhelmed me for a moment. I thought I was stronger than that.

Posted by: HungChad on November 6, 2008 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

Nice to see the Budweiser Booboisie come out in support of the Wasilla hillbillies. Let them continue to do this and turn themselves into the dorks everyone points at and laughs at. Watching the right become the objects of derision they were always working to be is just wonderful.

If anyone needed further proof of the intellectual folly of Calvinism, here it is.

Posted by: TCinLA on November 6, 2008 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

Check out the comments at Redstate. Now Fox News is one of "the enemy." Once-trusted people are now traitors to the "true conservatives," a dwindling, tiny group formed into a circular firing squad.

Posted by: Speed on November 6, 2008 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

You know, at first I thought the Grant Park rally wasn't a good plan...too show-offy, perhaps. Now I see it was a brilliant move. Chris Matthews made a great point Tuesday night as the showed the huge (and hugely diverse) crowd. He said the McCain campaign spoke of real America, but they didn't realize that this is real America. It was important that the country and the world saw that huge, mixed crowd, enthusiastic and well behaved.

The right wing and conservative christians have gotten by on bully tactics and fear ("You really don't want to get us mad"). Well they can hiss and spit all they want and brand their own as lepers. Thet crowd in Grant Park...the real america isn't afraid of them anymore. Their day has passed. Let them scratch and claw at each other.

They're like a giant snake biting its own tail, constricting itself. Or to use a rock and roll analogy: they're choking on their own vomit.

Posted by: Saint Zak on November 6, 2008 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

After priasing the victory of Prop 8, he said in a single breath that "first principles" included "defending traditional values" and "individual liberty." He said this with no sense of irony, and no apparent identification of the contradiction. If the Republicans don't understand the distinction, it will be hard to please either the theocons or the libertarians in their midst. At a higher and more sophisticated (and less political) level this fight will play out between social conservatives and the business community. Discrimination is bad for business; big corporations will increasingly support gay rights and immigration rights which will drive an ever-deeper wedge between the old-line pro-business Republicans and the post-1980 culture warriors.

Because this lines up so perfectly with my own thinking, it's quite remarkable in its prescience. :)

Posted by: shortstop on November 6, 2008 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

All this over Sarah Palin? They're dweebs. Palin has been around since September. She's had 2 interviews with reporters who weren't in the tank for her. She's had no press conferences. She's given no policy speeches. Outside of a handful of issues, she's a complete unknown to those schmucks. And they think she's worthy of political seppuku over her? Why? Because she's pretty? She's ignorant and lazy. You can't cure 44 years of lazy with some debate prep. She's not going to miraculously get unlazy over the next 4 years.

And in 4 years her pie-face is going to be real saggy. 50 is when it all goes to hell face-wise no matter who you are. She's going to be a granny and look it in 4 years.

Re-think the "leper list" in 3.5 years, Sonny Jim, when you've had some time to cool off and have taken a good look at who Palin really is.

Posted by: duBois on November 6, 2008 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

What offers are Joe the Plumber's agent weighing today?

An offer of a day's employment digging a trench from a roughed-in house to the street, to lay pipe?

Oh, wait, construction work is down...

Repairs, then... Can your client fit into that space under the sink and use a wrench to take off the trap? Cause there may be an opening... Oh, he's too big for awkward spaces? He's more the guy who carries things from the truck?

Here's our offer, take it or leave it: we won't raise his taxes by 3 percentage points on any amounts he makes over $250,000, for carrying tools and pipe from the truck on this little job we have. Have your people get back to me TODAY!!

Posted by: putnam on November 6, 2008 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

"What offers are Joe the Plumber's agent weighing today?"

I was just thinking about that. His 15 minutes got cut off at 9 min 28 sec.

Posted by: Saint Zak on November 6, 2008 at 2:08 PM | PERMALINK

To give you a sense of just how dire the GOP prospects are for the long term, people in this thread have given Peggy Noonan, David Frum and Newt Gingrich as examples of "smart Republicans".

One believed that magic dolphins carried a Cuban boy to safety, another believes that perpetual war and occupation is the pathway to peace in the Middle East and the last one whined incessantly about an intern-screwing president, while he was having an affair at the same time.

They may be smart Republicans. But they are not smart people.

Posted by: Jay B. on November 6, 2008 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

All this over Sarah Palin? They're dweebs.

Worse -- they're dweebs who think Sarah Palin winked at them.

Posted by: Gregory on November 6, 2008 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

Damn, putnam, that was funny.

Posted by: shortstop on November 6, 2008 at 2:39 PM | PERMALINK

Worse -- they're dweebs who think Sarah Palin winked at them.

You're just jealous that she picked me to sparkle at.

Posted by: typed in a regular jerking rhythm by mr. rich lowry on November 6, 2008 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

Look at the electoral map. The red states form a rather thin but contiguos band of what my sainted mother calls 'a bunch of hicks'. Low education, low income, low information, inbred clods. That is the modern GOP. Next up, anywhere technology jobs bring in new residents. Montana is close, Texas is at hand. Believe it.

Posted by: numi on November 6, 2008 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

Sarah Blow-up Dolls are flying off the shelves over at NRO - Perhaps the lede, "Need a Whack Job?" might have helped.

Posted by: berttheclock on November 6, 2008 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

You're just jealous that she picked me to sparkle at.

For me, Palin was best summed up by a comment after the Veep debates that went something like, "she acted like she was trying to pick America up in a bar."


Posted by: Gregory on November 6, 2008 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, I believe North Dakota typically comes out on top for academic excellence through high school, but that's something of an anomaly. And it was pretty close in this election.

Posted by: DavidNOE on November 6, 2008 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

For me, Palin was best summed up by a comment after the Veep debates that went something like, "she acted like she was trying to pick America up in a bar."

Bwa ha ha ha! Priceless.

Perhaps the lede, "Need a Whack Job?" might have helped.

Staring disapprovingly at bert...oh, who am I kidding? I'm cracking up over here.

Posted by: shortstop on November 6, 2008 at 4:26 PM | PERMALINK

These people are crazy. Did Quayle make a good presidential candidate? And yet Dan Quayle didn't have any troopergate, $150,000 wardrobe paid for by the Republican party, or a near-total lack of governmental experience. And despite his spelling errors, it seems unlikely that he though Africa was a country.

There's just nothing to work with there. Someone like Mike Huckabee --- now that's who we'll have to watch out for.

Posted by: catherineD on November 6, 2008 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

"What's next for the right, make these lepers wear gold stars and send them to a concentration camp? Seems like that's a proper analogy because they are saying "you were not with us, you are weakening our bloodlines, thus we need to get rid of you."

Malkin did write a book about how the Japanese internment camps were a reasonable response at the time...

Posted by: Always Hopeful on November 6, 2008 at 5:17 PM | PERMALINK

I think S-Pal knows that Africa is a continent etc, and this is staffers getting revenge and such. The carnival of lepers!

Posted by: Neil B on November 6, 2008 at 5:57 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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