I think I need some sort of patch or support group or 12-step program: I still come here at Noon (11 my time) everyday looking for the Round-Up, and I still am disappointed every day that there is no list of quick-bites to review.

I think Kristol is trying to delay that thirty year mark at which point History is allowed to judge him.

If this is the case, how does the NYT justify keeping him on the op-ed staff? Since he doesn't otherwise have gainful employment, the NYT is helping to subsidize what amounts to a political porn site specializing in snuff movies.

The irony is that these people are partially responsible for the new hiring process in Washington.

When shit is all a got...

These folks really never learn, do they?

Stupid is as stupid does.

I get the sense that the internal blame for the Bush years is going to fall most heavily on the neocons. It won't be blamed on the social conservatives, since they make up most of the party, and it won't be blamed on the money men, since the GOP needs those guys to finance them. The neocons, on the other hand, are a pretty small band of elites who aren't really that endearing. So the rest of conservatives are going to place the blame for the failure of the Bush years on them, and John McCain will garner his fair share of blame.

Now, will Republicans ever actually admit that Iraq was a mistake? Considering that many don't think Vietnam was a mistake, I doubt it.

The site was up at least a month ago, because I looked at it myself. Kristol was/is indeed the big banana on the site, but what's interesting is how many names that used to be on the site are no longer there. Revisionist history indeed.

Bill Kristol is still listed as PNAC's Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda.

Fixed.

What's even more bizarre is any notion they have that people might even pay attention to them any more. They've always been delusional but this would be pure madness.

You mistake Krisol's intent. It's the pundit's equivalent of reopening a frozen banana stand.

....Kristol is known as being "exceptionally close" to Senator McCain?

Um, after serving as the lead promoter of Sarah Palin as VP, I somewhat suspect that Willy's "closeness" to the Senator may now be somewhat more strained.

I don't think he wound up earning a lot of style points for that one.

"you shall know their names!!"

maybe this was what McCain was talking about?

I'm extremely curious as to what the Project for a New New American century will recommend. I think they'll just pick up all their old letters and have some intern replace 'Q' with 'N' in the name of the country to be destroyed.

just which century would he be talking about?

I still come here at Noon (11 my time) everyday looking for the Round-Up. -zeitgeist

You and me both!

These neo-con think tanks - AEI, PNAC, Saban Center at Brookings - are intellectual fronts for larger interests. (The same could be said for all think tanks, like CATO and EPI - it's just that those working for traditionally liberal causes aren't as well funded, for obvious reasons).

Even if PNAC hadn't returned with the same brand name, these interests - and the personalities who sell it - wouldn't have gone away.

They want to influence Obama's administration too. And they will. He's not stupid. Cue Obama's sabre-rattling against Iran in 3...2...1... wait, you mean he's already done that?

As for wondering why Kristol works for the NYT, ya gotta be kidding. He might be slightly more right-wing on economic policy, but on cultural issues and foreign policy, his political opinions fit in perfectly there.

The NYT (and the WashPost) fell over themselves to support the Iraq war. About half of US citizens and Democratic politicians opposed it (not to mention 95% of the world's population). But US major media overwhelmingly supported it. Our major media is MUCH more hawkish than the rest of the country, even the sold-out Dem politicians.

Kristol-meth heads! Pitiful - I won't keep complaining (usually) about how SB plays straight man about this stuff as if baffled, since I think I "get" the dry humor bit (as it was and is for Kevin D.) However, just to say it as if it needed saying: Righties *pride* themselves on not learning from mistakes in an objective world, but on pushing their ideas regardless. But they think we are ideologues who can't be reality-tested.

If these chicken hawks want to wage war so much, let them strap on 60lbs of armor and gear and give those chickenshits a Stryker.

At this point shouldn't the "New Century" be the 22nd?

Too many people seem to be dismissing these guys as fringe wingnuts. They are the cheerleaders for war, for insighting violence in ethnically unstable areas around the globe; preparing the future battlefields, the killing fields, for which their patrons, the politicians and the arms industry of the military/industrial complex, can design, build, sell and use their new killing toys.

They have been around forever, and always will be. It might just be a good thing that they advertise their hateful views on sites like PNAC.
It makes it easier to keep up with what they're doing.

"... They have been around forever, and always will be. ..."
Posted by: Leanderthal on November 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM

In a word, "Bilderberg."
The "New World Order" isn't about to give up and go away.

All the former administration true believers are going to need jobs in a few months.

Didn't Einstein say something to the affect that “we cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.� or some such?

Quick! Copy all the names listed on that website. That way it is an easy reference for the "Persona Non Grata" list.

When any one of them opens their mouth; we can automatically ignore anything coming out of it.