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November 12, 2008

WHEN BARONE GOES OVER THE EDGE.... Well, I certainly have my nomination for Wanker of the Day.

A roomful of academics erupted in angry boos Tuesday morning after political analyst Michael Barone said journalists trashed Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republicans' vice presidential nominee, because "she did not abort her Down syndrome baby."

Barone said in an e-mail that he "was attempting to be humorous and ... went over the line."

Barone was speaking at the Palmer House Hilton in Chicago, to the 121st annual meeting of the National Association of State Universities and Land Grant Colleges, which calls itself the nation's oldest higher-education association.

"The liberal media attacked Sarah Palin because she did not abort her Down syndrome baby," Barone said, according to accounts by attendees. "They wanted her to kill that child. ... I'm talking about my media colleagues with whom I've worked for 35 years."

Barone, a popular speaker on the paid lecture circuit, is a senior writer for U.S. News & World Report and principal coauthor of "The Almanac of American Politics."

About 500 people were in the room, and some walked out.

I knew Barone was pretty far gone, but I had no idea he was this far gone.

Two months ago, Barone argued, in print, that Palin had "foreign policy experience" because Alaska "is the only state with a border with Russia." That was probably a big hint that his political judgment had become seriously flawed.

But this tasteless, classless attack on Barone's own colleagues is surprisingly vicious, even for a conservative ideologue.

Like a lot of political junkies, I've spent many an hour referencing the "Almanac of American Politics," which wouldn't exist were it not for Barone. Given this, it's genuinely sad to see what's become of him.

About a year ago, Mark Schmitt had a terrific item on Barone, noting that he'd embraced "a strange kind of conservatism, which seems based largely on the conviction that liberals are soft and stupid."

If Barone wasn't considering retirement before, maybe now would be a good time.

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If Barone weren't ignorant and paranoid, he wouldn't be a Republican.
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Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on November 12, 2008 at 9:53 AM | PERMALINK

And conservatives wonder why their views/policies are being rejected in growing numbers by the American public. They simply are incapable of learning, although this bodes well for the Dems for the near term.

Posted by: bubba on November 12, 2008 at 9:54 AM | PERMALINK

Put this together with yesterday's story about Rep. Broun and his prophecy of Stalinist work camps and one wonders if the conservative movement is having a collective nervous breakdown.

Posted by: davidp on November 12, 2008 at 9:58 AM | PERMALINK

Conservatives will run around for a while, trying to figure out what positions get traction within their circles. Some will dash rightward, some towards the center, and some will just say crazy stuff. It's sort of a Darwinian process. The rest of us should just get the popcorn ready and write down the stuff we couldn't make up if we tried. Think of it as a savings account for future snark lines.

Posted by: Eric on November 12, 2008 at 10:01 AM | PERMALINK

Michael Barone rapes goats.

What? I was just kidding you humorless liberals!

Posted by: rnato on November 12, 2008 at 10:10 AM | PERMALINK

"The liberal media attacked Sarah Palin because she did not abort her Down syndrome baby," Barone said, according to accounts by attendees. "They wanted her to kill that child. ... I'm talking about my media colleagues with whom I've worked for 35 years."

That is not a sense of humor we can believe in, my friends.

Has Barone ever heard a joke? He needs to work on that.

Posted by: hoi polloi on November 12, 2008 at 10:12 AM | PERMALINK

This was a prominent meme for at least a day or two back in September: Liberals were complaining that Palin had not aborted her baby. Thing is, all of us were going, "... the hell...?" And every time we asked which liberals had said such a thing, no one could seem to come up with a name.

Same ol' Republican same ol' -- say any damn thing and see what sticks. It will become part of "conventional wisdom", without any proof or citation, just because "it makes sense". Or somethin'.

Posted by: filkertom on November 12, 2008 at 10:13 AM | PERMALINK

"a strange kind of conservatism, which seems based largely on the conviction that liberals are soft and stupid."

Is there any other kind of conservatism?

Posted by: reino on November 12, 2008 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK

I'm amazed he felt compelled to apologize, though it's a stretch for him to suggest he was attempting to be humorous.

Usually these idiots try to just brazen it out. He really must be slipping.

Posted by: mrblifil on November 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM | PERMALINK

Liberals are soft and stupid. 2Oth century conservatives like Barone are pudgy, pasty and insane. Only the true 21st Century Conservatives are hard as nails like marine drill instructors. We are the new centurions. Jindal/Palin 2012! This time it's personal.

Posted by: 21st Century Conservative on November 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM | PERMALINK

Well, since USN&WR is about to disappear as an actual news magazine, perhaps a swan song is appropriate.

Posted by: Theophylact on November 12, 2008 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINK

LOL. I would love it if we actually had a Caribou Barbie/Exorcist ticket in 2012. The final nail in the coffin of the Republican party.

Posted by: vrk on November 12, 2008 at 10:21 AM | PERMALINK

It’s interesting how some would use standard data to make decisions in life.

Especially in this case with Sarah Palin to totally ignore data developed in medicine that placed her self in a condition to make a personal decision to proceed with Downs’s syndrome baby is very personal. Very, but why would one want to see one’s sole suffer in real life. Sarah is something of the order in the same situation as Terry Shivo, here, it can reveal a person who is governor is making personal decisions for the “HER” community. The way she talks is her State, her Alaska. As if she owns it and everyone’s ability to make decisions? Sarah Palin has been acclimated to understand how to be the decider. She fits right in to Bush and Companies mold.

More about thinking…

Watching Joe in the morning again go through his slippery snare remarks on how the electorate should think. Here, does make one wonder why even ask; what have we learned? Please America if these people know what we need and appear to know how we should think why is this country so screw up.

Well, the big money people, the Jekyll Island group composed of the Federal Reserve, World bank, International Monetary, and the trillion dollar play ground of Quasi-government agencies are greased with big money along with this Mainstream Media machine, please don’t for get all the secret ways money evaporates in secret pentagon funds, and don’t for get they really don’t care what you or I think.

Gee, who would bail out Joe six pack to help him with his hot dog stand? Nada, zip, no money buddy. It is such an out rage to have billions in selective dollars going to that insurance company AIG, seemingly the worlds largest never even heard of before today. Now, AIG is destitute connected to millions of people and responsible for huge huge liabilities will put America in crisis. Swamped with problems because basically American’s got home loans to electorates that were cheating, not living in their means. Blaming the American electorate for getting money to live in a house? Well, what about this “means thing”.

The media is really begging the question about being mean? You mean American are so stupid they can’t live within their means. So Bush and Company has to be mean to us. The electorate is the fault again? Here, MSNBC is doing it again. Big business and big money did not make any mistakes; it was you and me folks. But what happened to the theory of “means”. Like in the sum of squares used in quality money control. Like the “root means square law” of basic math.

The root means square is an average in the math system which is the basic and most fundemental element in standard deviation in money problems. The defacto standard in statistics and risk analysis used by MBA money managers to determine if you and I can live within our means. So, all this hoopla, about mistakes really means these money people don’t use the means theory to make us all understand what it means to live within your means. For me it is a pretty mean thing to work out social needs without it. Don’t you think?

So, where are all these mean graphs and mean statistical data? Huh, you mean they accidentally shredded it? That means we don’t know what to do huh? Does that mean no one is responsible or accountable? So, that means we need to give billions of dollars to people who lost their means to understand what to do for you and me? All these MBA’s who were taught how to determine this mean stuff didn’t think about backing up that vital information? What does this all mean???

You mean to tell me billions more money are needed? Does that mean we have to tax people? They will get pretty mean out there if we do that.

Posted by: Megalomania on November 12, 2008 at 10:22 AM | PERMALINK

Good for those in the audience that booed and walked out on Barone. Barone probably felt that he could continue to act as a bully. Barone's remarks are little different from Newt Gingrich's comments regarding Susan Smith (the forums for the remarks were admittedly different). Fourteen years ago people might have sat silently thinking that the speaker was making an ass of himself. Now people realize that boorish behavior must be confronted immediately; not with violence but with censure. We have a better world because of that.

Posted by: rk on November 12, 2008 at 10:23 AM | PERMALINK

Well, since USN&WR is about to disappear as an actual news magazine, perhaps a swan song is appropriate.
Posted by: Theophylact on November 12, 2008 at 10:20 AM

This is all you soft and stupid liberals fault. First The Christian Science Monitor, now this. Who's next? What will we read at the doctor's office? Thank G_d for Boys Life.

Posted by: 21st Century Conservative on November 12, 2008 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK

From Schmitt's piece in the Prospect:

In 2004, [Barone] authored an entire book, Hard and Soft America, in which various books, ideas, policies, and politicians are classified as either "Hard" (good) or "Soft" (bad).

Erectile dysfunction claims another victim.

Posted by: Peter Principle on November 12, 2008 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINK

I'm trying to think of how many jokes I know that have the punchline, "They wanted her to kill that child."

If he was kidding, he clearly doesn't take the whole pro-lifer stuff as seriously as he claims to. And if he wasn't, he should have been led quietly out of the room by attendants.

Posted by: gradysu on November 12, 2008 at 10:26 AM | PERMALINK

What this illuminates is just how far gone the discourse has become. That an "intelligent" conservative has thoughts like this he is willing to bring into the open air should have the clearer thinkers praising the combined Karma that brought about McAce/Palinaroundwithterrorists loss at their try at the White House.

It's one thing to spew this kind of horse shit from the losing side but to have it flung from a position of security had they won wold have been about enough for me to consider a change in country.

There are many, many bozo on this bus...

Posted by: stevio on November 12, 2008 at 10:28 AM | PERMALINK

but why would one want to see one’s sole suffer in real life

Megalomania on November 12, 2008

Awl of us should visit the podiatrist more often.

Read Boy's Life.

Posted by: 21st Century Conservative on November 12, 2008 at 10:28 AM | PERMALINK

I'm amazed he felt compelled to apologize, though it's a stretch for him to suggest he was attempting to be humorous.

Usually these idiots try to just brazen it out. He really must be slipping.

"It was a joke" has long been standard conservative defense of outrageously offensive statements. Coulter, Limbaugh, et al. use it all the time.

It works like this --

Conservative: Offensive statement
Humanity: Outrage
Conservative: "It was a joke!"
Humanity: "Are you serious? Where's the effing punchline, then?"
Conservative: "Instead of remembering what I said, let's talk about how liberals have no sense of humor."

Posted by: Redshift on November 12, 2008 at 10:29 AM | PERMALINK

I love how the right wing loudmouths always say they were "kidding" whenever they get caught saying abhorrent shit that they really believe but which is rejected by all but the clinically deranged.

Barone needs to retire. He just cleared the shark by a couple of feet. But he won't, because the wingnuts loves them some radical wingnuttery, and they hates them some "censorship". We're infringing on his first amendment rights, saying all this stuff!

Go wingnuts! Be PURE! The American people will follow you once you have purged yourselves of all moderation!

Bwahahahaha.

Posted by: Racer X on November 12, 2008 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

Two months ago, Barone argued, in print, that Palin had "foreign policy experience" because Alaska "is the only state with a border with Russia." That was probably a big hint that his political judgment had become seriously flawed.

That's not just ridiculous, it's not even true. Alaska shares a border with Russia in the same sense that New York shares a border with France, in that it's the closest state to the other country but still separated by a body of water. It doesn't.

Well, I guess it could be true if you assume that international territory, in this case the ocean, doesn't count... and these are people who generally think the U.N. shouldn't exist... no, it's still stupid.

Posted by: Cyrus on November 12, 2008 at 10:34 AM | PERMALINK

It's especially sickening given that "pro-life" Sarah Palin herself decided to endanger her child by taking a long trip home after her water broke in the midst of a high-risk pregnancy.

Posted by: liberal on November 12, 2008 at 10:37 AM | PERMALINK

Will someone please tell Sarah Palin and the media that the election is over?

I mean, shit, she's on my TV more than the SONY logo...

Posted by: Jamey on November 12, 2008 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

Steve: "I knew Barone was pretty far gone, but I had no idea he was this far gone."

From http://www.aei.org/scholars/filter.all,scholarID.128/scholar.asp, he's a 'Resident Fellow' at the American Enterprise Institute.

That's all that you need to know.

Posted by: Barry on November 12, 2008 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK

Liberal: I agree.

I was not upset that Sarah carried Trig to term -- that was a personal CHOICE, one that all women should be allowed to make for themselves.

I was upset at the way she shamelessly exploited the poor child, bringing him to a loud, raucous convention where he could be passed around like a hot potato until midnight, trotting around with him late at night on stage after the debates, and always holding him face-out, so he had nothing to hold onto, just to thrust him into the camera lens. It was appalling.

Posted by: gradysu on November 12, 2008 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK

It's hard to believe anymore that Barone used to be sane, 20-30 years ago. Now he's crazier than a pestilence* of wingnut bloggers.

*I believe this is the correct collective term for wingnut bloggers. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: low-tech cyclist on November 12, 2008 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK

Remember, Barone is on record believing that Saddam Hussein ordered 9/11. That right there should tell you all you'll ever need to know. He's warmed-over arrogant lying shitbag neocon with a dash of wingnut Gingrichian conservatist dickheadery added for taste. Douchebag.

Posted by: U.S. American on November 12, 2008 at 10:48 AM | PERMALINK

That's not just ridiculous, it's not even true. Alaska shares a border with Russia in the same sense that New York shares a border with France, in that it's the closest state to the other country but still separated by a body of water. It doesn't.

Well, not now, maybe, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_Land_Bridge

Posted by: commie atheist on November 12, 2008 at 10:49 AM | PERMALINK

Does this gentleman qualify as one of those people Hilzoy suggested we need not listen to anymore.

It would explain the walkouts.

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on November 12, 2008 at 10:50 AM | PERMALINK

Barone, like Cheney and a raft of conservatives kill me with the liberals are soft critique. Where were all those pussies during Vietnam (and the younger ones--Sean Hannity?--during Reagan anand the Evil Empire days)? Certainly not in uniform. never in uniform. Those pussies feel soo strongly about national security, yet won't get within a mile of a recruiters office. F them!!

Posted by: Tec619 on November 12, 2008 at 10:51 AM | PERMALINK

I believe the proper term is, "encrustation of conservative bloggers", for up to three and "fetid encrustation of conservative bloggers" if there are more.

Posted by: Crusty on November 12, 2008 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

I see they were actually serious about being to moderate and I love it. New century conservatives can not figure out why no one is voting for them as they kick and spitting on anyone with any reason. Even Newt took a pass at leading that. Palin is without a doubt the face of new century conservatism. PALIN/MALKIN 2012

Posted by: ScottW on November 12, 2008 at 11:02 AM | PERMALINK

Michael Barone rapes goats.
But to be fair and balanced, he then turns around and lets the goats rape him.

Posted by: AJB on November 12, 2008 at 11:05 AM | PERMALINK

Wingnut pundits are a dime a dozen, but in-depth electoral coverage is a cottage industry with a small number of practitioners (such as Charles Cook and Chuck Todd). Pity Barone gave up the latter for the former.

Posted by: kth on November 12, 2008 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

The amusing thing is that Palin alawys talked about her "decision" to have Trig.

Posted by: Jose Padilla on November 12, 2008 at 11:12 AM | PERMALINK

Why is it that an organization dedicated to learning and education would have this idiotic clown speak? I don't get it.

Posted by: Joshua on November 12, 2008 at 11:21 AM | PERMALINK

It was joke! How many times have conservatives used that excuse? By now they should realize that they suck at humor. It comes off as mean spirited and hateful. It's never self deprecating.

Lately, it's been difficult to distinguish the conservative parodies (Steven Colbert) from the real conservatives.

Posted by: KM on November 12, 2008 at 11:21 AM | PERMALINK

Michael Barone rapes goats.
But to be fair and balanced, he then turns around and lets the goats rape him.


Did you have to put the "turns around" bit in there? Where's the brain bleach?

Posted by: Svensker on November 12, 2008 at 11:23 AM | PERMALINK

That's not just ridiculous, it's not even true. Alaska shares a border with Russia in the same sense that New York shares a border with France, in that it's the closest state to the other country but still separated by a body of water.

That's not quite accruate. Tehre are international waters between NY and France, but Alaska and Russia share a water boundary; their territorial waters are contiguous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diomede_Islands

Admittedly, Gov. Palin has never gone to Little Diomede . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QscfUstVZSg

Posted by: rea on November 12, 2008 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

U.S. News and World Report just announced that it is ceasing publication of its print edition. Things like this give us a clue why that happened.

Posted by: Green Eagle on November 12, 2008 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

I can already see Barrone taking the standard defense that his remarks were taken out of context, because in his mind ("it was a joke!!") it's not offensive.

It's the same as Bill O'Reilly saying the liberal media unfairly reported his black-restaurant/m-f-ers screed out of context. To O'Reilly's mind what he said was extremely complimentary. To this day he doesn't understand that people knew EXACTLY what he said, in the context he said it, and that THAT was what offended them.

The rightwing's sense of humor, like their sense of being complimentary, is always derranged, mentally warped, and disgusting.

Posted by: Luther Brixton on November 12, 2008 at 11:36 AM | PERMALINK

"The liberal media attacked Sarah Palin because she did not abort her Down syndrome baby," Barone said, according to accounts by attendees. "They wanted her to kill that child. ... I'm talking about my media colleagues with whom I've worked for 35 years."

Before she was tapped as McCain's VP, I doubt that 99% of Americans, including the press, even knew who she was or that she had a child with Downs Syndrome.

Posted by: Jeff II on November 12, 2008 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

Bear in mind that Michael Barone holds the rare, if not unique, distinction of having had his name removed from an institute at Harvard.

Posted by: DonBoy on November 12, 2008 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

Did the GOP shills all go to the same media management boot camp together? Barone's "it was just a joke" seems awful familiar as a justification have having uttered scurricous lies before numerous witnesses. "Just kidding" is what bullies say when you refuse to back down. Then they go do it again to someone else. Why is he on my TV so much?

Posted by: W Action on November 12, 2008 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, yessss! Please, God, call Jindal and Palin for the 2012 ticket! What a dream team to allow Obama to bury once and for all the rotting corpse the GOP has become.

The main Republican welfare hire in my area (he created a "think tank" that churns out studies and runs seminars that have zero impact on public policy) was solicited to write an op-ed about how Obama's election vindicates the progressive racial views of the GOP. Like Palin's nomination shows their progressive stance on women's issues, I guess. And 30 new nuclear plants would demonstrate commitment to alternative energy. The continued cluelessness makes 2010 and 2012 look really good for Dems. Go Sarah!

Posted by: Radio Head on November 12, 2008 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK

I was just fine with her CHOICE to keep the baby. CHOICE that she would deny to others if she gets her way.

No liberal hated her for the baby, only for her anti-woman views on reproduction and rape.

Posted by: lilybart on November 12, 2008 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK

But at least Barone didn't joke about Nancy Reagan's dalliances with the occult. That would totally not have been funny. At all. On the other hand, joking about people wanting to "kill that child"--all in good fun!

Posted by: slag on November 12, 2008 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

Professional associations are often significantly more rightwing than their membership. Their staff dine and drink with staff from oppositional organizations. They employ lobbyists who also lie down with scum--because they're "effective". They occasionally publish opinions that compromise their original vision. And they employ speakers at their conferences who contradict the platform of the organization. The National School Boards Association had Colin Powell keynote their annual conference to speak about ethics and leadership less than two years after his deceptions in front of the UN. He was featured because he was a "big draw" I was told in an e-mail which failed to address my question about Powell's credentials on ethical leadership.

It's in the nature of bureaucracies to become obtuse to the original mission, but it sounds like these university execs are a seriously compromised bunch if their leadership signed off on Barone as a "good catch" for their schmooze fest. On the other hand, we're talking about "college administrators," which is a lagging indicator.

Posted by: w action on November 12, 2008 at 12:25 PM | PERMALINK

I shifted from Time Magazine to U.S. News & World Report about 15 years ago, when Time Magazine turned into a sort of People Magazine, only with uglier people. I moved from U.S. News & World Report to The Economist five years ago for the same reason. The Economist is having its own dark night of the soul after having realized how wrong it was supporting Bush as long as it did and actually considering McCain a valid candidate. We'll see if it sticks.

Posted by: Mandy Cat on November 12, 2008 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK

Reminds me of this little Barone nugget:

http://freakflagfly.blogspot.com/2004/11/michael-barone-complete-fuckwad.html

Posted by: Godshamgod on November 12, 2008 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

I'm still trying to figure out how anyone could make anything even remotely humorous given the topics: abortion, baby, Down's syndrome. You could make a truly tasteless horrifying joke, or you could make what appears to be a straightforward hacktacular baldfaced accusation and then pretend despite no evidence that you were trying to make a joke that would be inherently and unavoidably tasteless, but you could not actually make a successful joke out of it.

Posted by: jibeaux on November 12, 2008 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

This is the first time I have been on this site and you people are rabid and scarey! I think the truth hurt. Mr Barone was totally right and you liberals are afraid to admit it.

Posted by: ReneeCA. on November 12, 2008 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

I don t often read left wing blogs because of the incredibly vulgar attacks on any ideas or comments that are not the party line.the best arguement against a bad arguement is a better arguement.That used to be the classic liberal position on people or ideas you didn t like.Take a second to read the comments here in full. They do no credit to your side .
It would be interesting to hear counter arguements to Barones position.Surveys of women journalists from the elite media, for example.There was a TV interview with three women journalists from leading media who said "Sarah Palin" should not have been selected because she had not attended an elite college."Seems to be a rather biased approach in that instance.

Posted by: johnmorrissey on November 12, 2008 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK

I forgot to add...it is the purview of the right-wing authoritarian to restrict choices for others. We tend to leave people to make their own choices and not force others to live by our dogma.

Posted by: Blue Girl on November 12, 2008 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

johnmorrissey - Counter arguments to Barone's comment?
Next will you play Devil's advocate saying that Hitler really had to do something about those pesky Jews, Homos, intelectuals, & Poles?

We will not give serious standing to something so offensive, so outrageous and insulting as Barone said. Apparently, you would. What does that say about you?

Posted by: BuzzMon on November 12, 2008 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK

Preview is my friend...preview is my friend...Let's try my 1:14 comment again - the previous thing I copy-pasted was quoted instead of the last sentence of ReneeCA's comment...

Mr Barone was totally right and you liberals are afraid to admit it.

Can you site one source to back up this wild-eyed assertion? Not some comment in a thread, but an actual post or article where anyone made that assertion. No? Then STFU.

Posted by: Blue Girl on November 12, 2008 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK

Why don't we pelt obnoxious speakers with food anymore?

I'm assuming there were at least some dinner rolls handy.

Posted by: Cannoneo on November 12, 2008 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

It's too bad Al Franken won't be hosting the next Press Club dinner...

Posted by: actor212 on November 12, 2008 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

johnmorrissey & RaneeCA:
When you come onto a blog you consider vulgar, rabid and scarey, please use correct English grammar, spelling and punctuation. Or, does that qualify as elitist and beneath your station? What I have noticed consistently is that Conservatives (Capitalization is intentional)do not have a sense of humor. There is something about their rigidity, their inflexibility, that blocks the humor gene. Humor is characterized by the ability to laugh at oneself. Conservatives cannot or will not laugh at themselves because, I think, they perceive this as a weakness. People might actually take their jokes seriously.

I have not heard any "liberals" criticize Palin for not aborting her Down Syndrome baby, Trig, but that does not mean there haven't been some who said this. Some Conservatives/Republicans have also said some very crazy things; we do not apply a judgment across the board to all unless it becomes a talking point of their community at large, which many have: Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim; he does not support the troops and has voted against their support; he pals around with terrorists, etc. These false statements have been widely dispersed by prominent pundits from the right. Are there similar ones from the left about Palin/McCain? Most of what is said about them can be documented.

This bacame longer than I planned, but it had to be said. Bottom Line: Be very careful when attacking the left/liberals; most of what you say is a projection and can be thrown back at you with ease, if we choose to do so.

peace,
st john

Posted by: st john on November 12, 2008 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

Barone sure knows how to bring down a room.

Posted by: JL on November 12, 2008 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

johnmorrisey - do you read righty aka wingnut blogs? How do their commenters look to you? The picture of rationality?
I thought not. Get your own blog and monitor the comments if you think we're so bad.
And let's hear your response to BuzzMon.

Posted by: reverter on November 12, 2008 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

Even though it's the kind of book I would love, I've long refused to have anything to do with the Almanac of American Politics as long as Barone is involved with it.

Posted by: C.L. on November 12, 2008 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

You liberals laugh and joke while a family of true conservatives who punch way above their weight is suffering the pangs of financial distress! I speak of the Kim du Toits! Are you so inured to the ruination which is, by golly, staring these folks in the face. Have you no pity for the morbidly obese? Look at me, Bloom! I'm so poor I'm wearing a cardboard lap-band!

Posted by: Mooser on November 12, 2008 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

"Mr Barone was totally right and you liberals are afraid to admit it."
Renee

Renee, thank you for being unafraid to speak truth to purists. I was going to supply an extensive list of quotes and video links substantiating your claim, but I lost them. Damn you, Vista Professional Business Ultimate with Service pack 2, 2.3 and 3!

You wouldn't happen to have those links, would you. Please put them in a comment here and show those scarey-crowy liberals whatfer!

Posted by: Mooser on November 12, 2008 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

Renee, I will speak for myself. I applaud Sarah for having her baby. It is very hard to care for a high-risk baby. I had a very hard pregnancy and aftermath myself. What I don't like is that Sarah would take this choice away from other women. I read a lot of left wing blogs, and NOT ONCE did I see ANYONE say she should have aborted that baby. They were just upset that she wants to deny the choice to other women. Many people on the right (I'm including you) seem to think that we think abortion is really cool, and the more the better. This is a lie. We do not like abortion, but know it will happen anyway, so we want to keep it safe, but rare. We are offended by Barone's comments because he is making us seem like monsters, and we are not. You need to realize that people who disagree with you about the abortion issue are caring human beings, too. You dehumanize us when you write things like that.

Another question for you, Renee. Let us just say that we do make abortion illegal. What should the punishment be? I mean, it's murder one, right? Are you willing to go for the death penalty? If you really think the fetus is a full person, then that is what the punishment should be, right? I'm just curious to see what you think.

johnmorrisey, jump right in, too.

Oh, and another comment. I was deeply disgusted by the story of Sarah Palin being pregnant with a high-risk baby, and getting on a plane after her water broke so the baby could be born in Alaska. This is deeply selfish. If she really cared about that baby's life, she would have gone straight to the nearest hospital. Any mother (and yes, even liberal mothers) would have done that. She endangered the baby's life. I find that unconscionable. Don't you?

Please respond.

Posted by: kgb on November 12, 2008 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

Can we put Michael Barone where Michael Richards is?

Posted by: Raoul on November 12, 2008 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

Wow ! What an asshole ! I saw him a couple of times on TV. I guess he must have taken up some sort of drug habit since then.

Posted by: rbe1 on November 12, 2008 at 4:48 PM | PERMALINK

I used to read the US News & World when I visited home because my mother used to subscribe. Occasionally I would read Barone's editorials and wondered how a person intelligent enough to be an editor or whatever he was could write such drivel. Other than USN&WR I had no idea of who he was or that he had any standing in the political community whatsoever.

Now we are faced with some really serious whackoism. The only thing I can ascribe it to is his age and some sort of neurologic derangement that has progressively destroyed his cognitive faculties. This is another reason besides Ms. Palin to be happy that McCain lost and lost badly because McCain seems to be subject to the same process. Don't trust anyone over 60.

Posted by: Texas Aggie on November 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM | PERMALINK

He may have gotten this line from Charles Krauthammer, who are argued something similar, basically that feminists hate Sarah Palin because she didn't abort her down syndrome child. Charles Krauthammer, of course, ought to retire as well, along with the entire staff of "The Weekly Standard" regardless of age.

Posted by: Jack on November 12, 2008 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK

U.S. News and World Report just announced that it is ceasing publication of its print edition. Things like this give us a clue why that happened.
Posted by: Green Eagle on November 12, 2008 at 11:31 AM

This can only be good news for the post-secondary educational system.

Posted by: Cyrus on November 12, 2008 at 6:52 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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