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November 14, 2008

A LIEBERMAN CRITIC EMERGES.... It's easy to think of Democratic senators who've expressed support, to one degree or another, for Joe Lieberman keeping his coveted committee chairmanship, despite his recent betrayals. We have not, however, seen Democratic senators step up on the other side -- no one in the caucus has publicly announced that he/she supports taking Lieberman's gavel away.

Today, that changed.

Terjeanderson, a Daily Kos diarist, caught Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) addressing the controversy during an interview on Vermont Public Radio. ThinkProgress has the audio and provided this transcript.

"I'm one who does not feel that somebody should be rewarded with a major chairmanship after doing what he did.... I felt that some of the attacks that he was involved in against Sen. Obama, whom I did support -- I was one of the first in the Congress to support him -- I thought they went way beyond the pale. I thought that they were not fair. I thought they were not legitimate. I thought that they perpetuated some of these horrible myths that were being run about Sen. Obama.

"I would feel that, had I done something similar, I would not be chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee in the next Congress."

Kudos to Leahy. We'll learn on Tuesday how many other members of the caucus agree.

In related news, a Research 2000 poll for Daily Kos asked Connecticut voters for their opinions on their independent senator. Lieberman's approval ratings have dropped to an embarrassing 36% among his own constituents, and a 48% plurality want to vote against him in the next election. That number grows if Lieberman loses his committee chairmanship and begins caucusing with the Republican Party.

Also, Evan Bayh, among others, seems to like the idea of letting Lieberman keep his committee chairmanship on something akin to probation -- if Democrats believe he's acting up again, they'll take his gavel away. As it happens, there's reason to believe that's far more procedurally difficult that some senators seem to believe.

Update: Greg Sargent has more on the Leahy announcement, including an explanation on why this "could prove a blow to Liebrman."

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Kos also had this little gem about how Obama handed off Lieberman's offer of congratulations to Joe Biden. Maybe he's not ready to make nice quite yet.

Posted by: Danp on November 14, 2008 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK

Can Connecticut recall his sorry ass?

Posted by: Jeff II on November 14, 2008 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

More important than Leahy's answer, what struck me was the question (from Bill in Ripton) - which was 'what about us who go out and campaign and worked so hard?'
And, that summarizes a lot of sentiment people like I have? Shouldn't Lieberman's actions have consequences?

Posted by: Ravi R on November 14, 2008 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

I was wondering about the recall too.

If California can do it to Gray Davis, why not Connecticut to Lieberman?

Posted by: Quinn on November 14, 2008 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

@Quinn:
I don't think Senators can be recalled.

Posted by: Ravi R on November 14, 2008 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

Senate Majority Leader Pat Leahy? Sounds good to me.

Posted by: doubtful on November 14, 2008 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

I know we all forget context and history as soon as the second hand ticks ahead one tock, but Joe Lieberman didn't pass the smell test in the DEMOCRATIC PARTY during his last election. He had to register as an eponymous party of one in order to be on the ballot and win re-election.

Again, the DEMOCRATIC PARTY has already gone on the record saying that's had enough of Joe Lieberman. Other Democrats in Congress should recognize the will of the voters in Connecticut, and stop sucking up to this turncoat.

Posted by: ThePhantom on November 14, 2008 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, Leahy is a real profile in courage.

Which begs the question: just how big of a wuss is Chris Dodd? A giant wuss, or a gargantuan one?

Posted by: JL on November 14, 2008 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

That's great news. I think Rachel Maddow has also done great service in pressing the issue and exploring it quite cogently and with refreshing candor.

I'll keep my fingers crossed. But no matter the outcome, it's good that others are now speaking out.

Posted by: throw Lieberman under the bus on November 14, 2008 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

Congrats to Leahy for staying normal and not be a stage senator.

Posted by: Bob M on November 14, 2008 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

Way to go Senator Leahy !!!

Here`s hoping such sanity continues to pick up momentum. Just vote NO on LIEberman.

"...it`s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine..." - REM

Posted by: daCascadian on November 14, 2008 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

This is the thank you note I sent to Sen. Leahy:

"Dear Sen. Leahy:

Although I am not a constituent of yours, I have always admired your principled stands on a wide number of political issues.

I want to thank you for your comments concerning the proposal that Sen. Joe Lieberman should not suffer any consequences for his opposition to Pres.-elect Obama and the lies and deception he perpetrated in support of the McCain-Palin campaign.

I believe a significant majority of Democrats support your position that Sen. Leiberman should NOT continue his chairmanship of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee and that is important that a man of your stature make this position known and established as a matter for debate by others in the Democratic Caucus.

Thank you again for once again taking the correct and principled position on this issue."

Feel free to plagiarize or not, but send some positive reinforcement to him so this can gain traction.

Posted by: bdop4 on November 14, 2008 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK


Vermont.
I keep thinking I should move there.
If you guys legalize ganja...
I swear I'm in.

Posted by: koreyel on November 14, 2008 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

The best way to stop being the battered party is to stop acting like the battered party. No to the Lieberwhiner.

Posted by: beep52 on November 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Joey can stay in the caucus cuz the Dems need the numbers to increase and not decrease. BUT to let him keep the covetted chairmanship position......NOT. No way, no how, no JoeyL.....end of story.

Posted by: wom46 on November 14, 2008 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

Thank goodness for Leahy. He is one of the sensible guys in politics. He's correct. Lieberman should be sent packing to the GOPhers.

Then CT voters will send him packing back to civilian life where he can play his backstabbing games to his heart's content.

What he did during the campaign is inexcusable.If senators are not disciplined for betrayal that entire body doesn't deserve any respect from the voters. Leahy carries considerable weight, and he just might give some of the spineless types a little courage.

Posted by: Leanderthal on November 14, 2008 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

I just finished emailing Senators Murray and Cantwell here in Washington state to urge them to oppose Lieberman's retention of his committe chairmanship.

Posted by: tanstaafl on November 14, 2008 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

If you guys legalize ganja...
I swear I'm in.

It's not that they'll ever legalize it. It's that they just won't get around to arresting you for it.

Posted by: shortstop on November 14, 2008 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK

Evan Bayh also expressed concern that Lieberman might resign if removed from his chairmanship and that since CT has a Republican governor he would be replaced by a Republican. Two points on this:

1) So what! Since the Dems can't rely on Lieberman's vote, what real difference does this make?

2) I am not an expert on CT law, but in every other state that I am aware of, when a senate seat becomes vacant and the governor appoints a replacement, that replacement does not serve until the end of the departed senator's term. Rather, they serve until the next general election when the voters get to vote on a senator to serve the rest of the term. If that is indeed the case in CT, Lieberman should be encouraged to resign rather than our having to put up with him through 2012. Perhaps we could get a Dem elected in 2009 or 2010.

Posted by: MW on November 14, 2008 at 4:33 PM | PERMALINK

His test should be taking the chairmanship away and then seeing how he reacts. He is the problem child we are afraid to discipline and taking away a position that he could use against us is common sense, tossing him out of the caucus would be disciplining him.

No one in their right mind is going to jump ship and become a republican out of spite. If he does, it means we made the right choice, if he doesn't, well Joe dug his own grave.

Personally, I find it disgusting that we are being made to make this choice by Reid instead of him telling them to go for it when they threaten filibuster. Reid needs to realize that we are no longer the minority and I think it's very wishful thinking on his part that we will get 60 and Lieberman will behave.

Posted by: ScottW on November 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM | PERMALINK

in every other state that I am aware of, when a senate seat becomes vacant and the governor appoints a replacement, that replacement does not serve until the end of the departed senator's term.

That varies by state. Who here knows what CT does?

Posted by: shortstop on November 14, 2008 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK

Leahy is one of the few, few Dems with balls. He should be majority leader.

Posted by: Frak on November 14, 2008 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK

I just finished emailing Senators Murray and Cantwell here in Washington state to urge them to oppose Lieberman's retention of his committe chairmanship. Posted by: tanstaafl

Don't hold your breath. As much as I'd like to be a partisan schmuck (as opposed to just a plain schmuck), I gave up on those two about four years ago, Cantwell in particular when she sent back a form letter explaining her supporting Rice's nomination as SS because she was a female negro.

Apparently her complete failure as the National Security Adviser, her lying to the 9/11 Commission, and her support for the war in Iraq, which both Murray and Cantwell voted against, didn't figure in to accessing whether she deserved a promotion.

Posted by: Jeff II on November 14, 2008 at 5:06 PM | PERMALINK

Vermont. I keep thinking I should move there.
If you guys legalize ganja... I swear I'm in.
Posted by: koreyel

You mean the syrup, scenery, skiing and ice cream aren't enough?

Posted by: Jeff II on November 14, 2008 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK

The minority chair of the Homeland Security Committee is Sen. Susan Collins of Maine.
One of the chief fundraisers and advisers to Sen. Collins' re-election was/is Joe Lieberman.

Collusion?

Posted by: couser on November 14, 2008 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK

So let's just strip Lieberman of his chairmanship. And if he threatens to go over to the Republicans and filibuster every Democratic piece of legislation then here's a thought: Why not offer his chairmanship to Susan Collins or Olympia Snowe on the condition that they join the Democrats and swear publicly never to filibuster? Isn't that kind of what the Democrats did with James Jeffords way back when?

And regarding losing Joe's "liberal" voting record, it's worth noting in the 2007 National Journal rankings, Lieberman was ranked 44th most liberal and Snowe and Collins were ranked 50th and 51st. Not quite a yawning gap there.

Posted by: santamonicamr on November 14, 2008 at 5:18 PM | PERMALINK

//Also, Evan Bayh, among others, seems to like the idea of letting Lieberman keep his committee chairmanship on something akin to probation //

Is that double secret probation?

Posted by: G'kar on November 14, 2008 at 5:52 PM | PERMALINK

Help me out - I've been out of the echo chamber for a while. What lies and distortions did Lieberman make? Yeah, he supported his old buddy, and yeah, he said that Obama didn't have the experience (which is a matter of opinion).

It would be smart for the Democrats to not piss Lieberman off, given that the Dems don't have 60 votes outright.

Posted by: Tom on November 14, 2008 at 7:19 PM | PERMALINK

Thank you, Saint Patrick.

Posted by: Kevin on November 14, 2008 at 10:45 PM | PERMALINK




 

 
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