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November 16, 2008

GIULIANI STILL FINDS HIMSELF CREDIBLE.... By any reasonable measure, Rudy Giuliani was one of the worst presidential candidates in a generation. Despite near-universal name recognition, early poll support, and media buzz about being the "frontrunner" for a while, Giuliani lost every contest in which he competed, usually by enormous margins. He invested millions and ended up without a single delegate.

The former mayor, however, still considers himself a credible political figure.

Rudy Giuliani said Sunday he will consider running for governor of New York and isn't ruling out a second attempt at the U.S. presidency.

A one-time presidential front-runner and former mayor of New York City, Giuliani dropped out of the race for Republican nominee in January after losing the primary in Florida, where he had poured the bulk of his campaign resources.

"No one knows whether you'll do something again until you come to the point of: 'Is it possible to do it again? Would you have a chance of winning?'" he said of a second White House bid following a speech in Dubai. "I mean those are just things you can't evaluate right now." [...]

In response to a question, Giuliani did not rule out running for governor of New York. "I don't know if I'd be interested in it, but I'll think about it when the right time comes along," Giuliani said.

I suspect Giuliani's confused. Some people run for president, come up short, but nevertheless see their stature rise. For Giuliani, it was the opposite -- his fairly ridiculous campaign diminished his reputation and turned him into something of a joke. Indeed, Giuliani entered the 2008 presidential campaign with a 9/11 halo and widespread admiration, and quickly found he had nowhere to go but down. The more Americans saw of Giuliani, the less they liked him.

And now he's mulling over additional campaigns? Good luck with that, Rudy.

Steve Benen 12:35 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (30)
 
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Note to Rudy - the more people see of you, the less they like you. Try the Staten Island strategy. Vito Fosello's endorsement will go a long way.

Posted by: Danp on November 16, 2008 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

Few people deserve political obscurity more than Rudeee. Well, there is Sarah. His national exposure demonstrated to the larger audience what New Yorkers realized before 9/11: that he was a bully, a brute, and a thug. Managing to make himself look like some sort of (faux) hero during the 9/11 tragedy was merely the flash of fool's gold in a pan of sad-sack politicians. He tried,of course, to extend his term because of the attack, and that too, fortunately, failed. Good riddance.

Posted by: rich on November 16, 2008 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

He says this crap while making a speech in Dubai? Great way to launch your campaign for NY governor - what a doofus!

Posted by: CParis on November 16, 2008 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

A message to you, Rudy (borrowing the title of a song by The Specials some years back): 9/11 holds little resonance now; your buddy George W. frittered away all its potential political capital thanks to something called Iraq.

Come up with a new angle...although based upon your tenure as New York City mayor (where demographic changes, not policy, largely lowered the crime rate), I can't imagine what such an angle might be.

Posted by: Vincent on November 16, 2008 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

That's no way to talk about America's Mayor™, people!

Posted by: Monty on November 16, 2008 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

The "nail in the coffin" for Giuliani was the sad, pathetic speech at the RNC. Should Rudy try to run for any office again, the opposing campaign only has to air a montage of that speech to show his wretched disconnect and shrill, petty, agenda-driven partisanship.

Posted by: grs on November 16, 2008 at 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

Rudy knows how to do one thing well: milk his name recognition to make millions of dollars for himself in speaking fees. All this BS about future runs for office is just to keep his name in the papers so the speaking engagements don't dry up. At least that's the Plan B benefit in case he's still delusional enough to be actually considering another run.

Posted by: Curmudgeon on November 16, 2008 at 12:58 PM | PERMALINK

now steve. you're being a real stick-in-the-mud here. don't discourage roodi from running for public office. he's just so much fun to watch!

orange

Posted by: just bill on November 16, 2008 at 12:59 PM | PERMALINK

rudy: a democrat's best friend...

Posted by: mudwall jackson on November 16, 2008 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

Rudy knows how to do one thing well: milk his name recognition to make millions of dollars for himself in speaking fees. All this BS about future runs for office is just to keep his name in the papers so the speaking engagements don't dry up. At least that's the Plan B benefit in case he's still delusional enough to be actually considering another run.

Posted by: Curmudgeon

exactly right!!

running for president = cottage industry for has been Republican hacks!!

Posted by: bkelly on November 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

Is squandering political capital for personal gain the exclusive province of the GOP? It would appear that way.

Posted by: Lew Scannon on November 16, 2008 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

Giuliani/Palin
-or-
Palin/Giuliani
2012

I could get behind any of that.

Posted by: Kevin on November 16, 2008 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

Rudi must flaunt his family values and change wives once again, before making another run a political office.

Posted by: Ted76 on November 16, 2008 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

"A noun, a verb, and 9/11" -- one of VP-ELECT!!! Joe Biden's greatest contributions to the lexicon.

Posted by: Charity on November 16, 2008 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK

I'm still surprised he didn't get the nomination. He was the best hater in the bunch, and the GOP loooooves a hater. Somewhere, Nixon's ghost is weeping

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on November 16, 2008 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

Ooooh, please please please, Trudy/Palin 2012!

Posted by: Georgette Orwell on November 16, 2008 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

We may be underestimating Rudy. Because he has no principles and stands for nothing other than his own advancement he is perfectly poised to run farther to the right than most. Any party "energized" by Sarah Palin is collectively stupid enough to fall for a re-tooled Rudy.

Posted by: Dennis-SGMM on November 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

In Summer of 2007 I really expected the election to be between Rudi and Hillary.

To my horror, the media seemed completely behind Giuliani. I cannot tell you how delightful I found the self-destruction of the man. It made me even happier than the lethargic self-collapse of Fred Thompson. Thompson's candidacy also seemed to be a media-made candidacy, one that appears to have been designed to fill the vacuum created by the absence of any forceful, capable Republican candidate with broad appeal.

When you look at a Republican field whose only semi-competent members seem to have been Mitt Romney and John McCain, it was a real surprise to watch Giuliani disappear so quickly. Rudi couldn't compete with even marginal opposition.

It looks to me as though Rudi never figured out how a competitive national campaign was run, and was quite limited in his appeal to voters or funders. Is there any chance he will have a clue for the next try?

Posted by: Rick B on November 16, 2008 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

I think you miss the point at which Rudy's 'stature' began to sink.

Rudy's 'stature' was done in with the failed nomination of Bernie Kerik to DHS.

By the time Rudy announced, those of us paying attention knew how dirty Rudy was and his campaign's outcome was clear.

Posted by: Don on November 16, 2008 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

What people beyond New York City didn't realize is that on 9/10 most of us Gothamites were counting the days to when we would be rid of our very own Il Duce. The TMI details were beyond bearing.

Curmudgeon had it exactly right: Rudy knows how to do one thing well: milk his name recognition to make millions of dollars for himself in speaking fees. Biden was equally deft: subject, noun, 9/11.

Even those 15 minutes wear thin.

Rudi would have, ultimately, better self-served himself by selling, at increasingly obscure conventions, "robo-autographed" copies of that Time magazine cover. At $10 per pop; then $5; then remaindered at about $.19.

Posted by: Glen on November 16, 2008 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

I want to defend Rudy's honor -- it's not true that "he invested millions and ended up without a single delegate." Rudy did end up with a single delegate. (In Nevada.)

I'd really like to see an interview with that single delegate. The headline writes itself -- "The $50 Million Man."

Posted by: Matt Weiner on November 16, 2008 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

To Dennis-SGMM (Any party "energized" by Sarah Palin is collectively stupid enough to fall for a re-tooled Rudy.):

I don't know whether to fear you may be right, or hope that you may be right. In either case, stand-up comics will be employed.

Posted by: Glen on November 16, 2008 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

Charity got it exactly right. We should all bless Joe Biden for finding the silver bullet to kill Rudy Ghouliani (do ghouls die to silver bullets? Whatever).

The VP slot is only just reward for keeping that facist out of national government, no matter how much I thought Hillary deserved it.

Posted by: Lance on November 16, 2008 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK

I hadn't seen his speech at the RNC, only Colbert's devastating laughter-till-he-cried in mock sympathy with Rudy's snotty jeers at community organizing. That snippet is absolutely burned into my brain forever; I can even hear Colbert's wheezing as I type this. Even more than "Noun, verb, 9/11," I will always associate him now with a petty pseudo-patrician disdain for real people.

Posted by: Karen on November 16, 2008 at 3:44 PM | PERMALINK

"Rudy", I would whisper in his ear, "you're every bit as fantastic as you think you are. Those sad electoral results can't possibly be your fault. I'm pretty sure you came up short in the replacement wife department - I mean look at how other republicans like Thompson and McCain have carried on in the grand tradition set by President Reagan and Bob Dole, not to mention other conservative cultural icons like Donald Trump and Newt Gingrich. You need to trade up. You've got money, so what you really need is a wife with looks and name recognition. I've got one word for you - Alaska. Sarah's looking for a way to get more media coverage in the lower 48, and you've got things that can be shot at in upstate New York, so this could be a liason made in heaven. Promise her one of NY's bridges - you've got lots, she has a fondness for them, and there's a reasonable chance she's gullible enough to fall for it if you promised her one."

Posted by: N.Wells on November 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM | PERMALINK

There is absolutely NO WAY IN HADES that I'll ever argue Giuliani's lack of credibility, because to do so is to discount the millions upon millions of Republican dollars he devoured during the primaries---and a dollar devoured by GhoulChild is a dollar never again available to either the eventual GOP nominee or a GOP 527.

So---ramble on, Ghouliani! You're the best damned thing that ever happened to America!!!

Well, at least to reality-based America....

Posted by: Steve W. on November 16, 2008 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

N. Wells: "'Rudy', I would whisper in his ear, 'you're every bit as fantastic as you think you are. Those sad electoral results can't possibly be your fault.'"

Oh, by all means, encourage Rudy in his delusions of grandeur. Perhaps while you whisper sweet nothings in his ear, you could hint that he can capture the women's vote by campaigning in his drag persona.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on November 16, 2008 at 9:13 PM | PERMALINK

ghouliani is a megalomaniac...also has been. He could never possibly know what a buffoon he is. Thankfully most everyone else has become aware of his buffoonery.

Posted by: pluege on November 16, 2008 at 9:19 PM | PERMALINK

What speech at the RNC? That wasn't a speech, that was a slew of small-minded nasty one-liners strung together.

Watching that speech, which got a ton of creepy cheers depressed the hell out of me.

Posted by: jane on November 16, 2008 at 10:16 PM | PERMALINK

Giuliani did a couple of last-week appearances for Sandy Treadwell, a Pataki hack who spent $5 million-plus of his GE trust fund in his campaign against freshman Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand in NY-20.

Giuliani did not help much, as Treadwell lost by 23 points in a district where the GOP has an 80,000 registration edge over the Democrats.

Re: a possible run for governor, Giuliani has no support upstate outside of the hard-core Republican base.

And his notional 9/11 heroism will have faded even more in two years.

The media love the guy, almost always using the absurd America's Mayor, so he'll be encouraged by that as he was in his presidential run.

And, as with that fiasco, should he run for governor, any Democrat with a pulse will beat him like a drum.

Posted by: devtob on November 16, 2008 at 10:54 PM | PERMALINK




 

 
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