November 17, 2008
IT DEPENDS ON THE MEANING OF 'ASPIRATIONAL'.... By any reasonable measure, the SOFA-related developments in Iraq are encouraging.
Iraq's cabinet on Sunday overwhelmingly approved a proposed security agreement that calls for a full withdrawal of American forces from the country by the end of 2011. The cabinet's decision brings a final date for the departure of American troops a significant step closer after more than five and a half years of war.
The proposed pact must still be approved by Iraq's Parliament, in a vote scheduled to take place in a week. But leaders of some of the largest parliamentary blocs expressed confidence that with the backing of most Shiites and Kurds they had enough support to ensure its approval.
Twenty-seven of the 28 cabinet ministers who were present at the two-and-a-half-hour session voted in favor of the pact.
If it's approved by the Parliament -- success is not a given -- the security agreement would then go to Iraq's three-member presidential council.
At this point, the developments clearly represent good news. As Kevin noted yesterday, "This is good for the Iraqis, who really do need the U.S. presence for a little while longer; good for George Bush, who's getting a slightly longer timetable than Barack Obama would have negotiated; and good for Obama, since this essentially makes his decision to withdraw into a bipartisan agreement. After all, conservatives can hardly complain about Obama following a timetable that was negotiated and approved by Bush."
And speaking of Bush, all of this must be slightly embarrassing for him, given the years he spent railing against withdrawal timelines ("cut and run," "artificial deadline for defeat," etc.). Here's a presidential gem from just last year: "I believe setting a deadline for withdrawal would demoralize the Iraqi people, would encourage killers across the broader Middle East, and send a signal that America will not keep its commitments. Setting a deadline for withdrawal is setting a date for failure -- and that would be irresponsible."
With that in mind, Ryan Powers noted today's White House press briefing, where Press Secretary Dana Perino said the administration conceded to "these aspirational dates."
"Aspirational"? That's not the Iraqis' understanding. Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh told reporters yesterday, "This withdrawal date is firm and holy and will not be changed according to conditions on the ground."
Now, to be fair, the Iraqi government can decide later whether it wants U.S. troops to stick around after 2011 with a new agreement. (For that matter, Iraqi officials can also tell us to leave before the end of 2010.)
Either way, to call the withdrawal timeline "aspirational" just isn't true.
—Steve Benen 3:20 PM
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What, BushCo said something that isn't true? Say it ain't so!
Posted by: Steve LaBonne on November 17, 2008 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK
I wonder what's next for Perino. There are plenty of jobs that involve telling obvious lies with a straight face and a condescending attitude, but most of them would be a pretty big step down. And I imagine the resume in-box at Fox "News" is pretty big these days...
Posted by: Redshift on November 17, 2008 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK
These people are incapable of embarrassment.
Posted by: Gore/Feingold '16 on November 17, 2008 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK
"I believe setting a deadline for withdrawal would demoralize the Iraqi people, would encourage killers across the broader Middle East, and send a signal that America will not keep its commitments. Setting a deadline for withdrawal is setting a date for failure -- and that would be irresponsible." - GW Bush
So according to Bush he is irresponsible? demoralizing people? Breaking committments? Encouraging killers? Choosing to fail?
This is not news, George.
Redshift is right, Perino will definitely be moving to Fox News, she's got the looks and the brains for the job.
Hack-Tacular!
Posted by: Racer X on November 17, 2008 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK
Obama is the King of SOFA.
He's SOFA King great.
He's SOFA King smart
He's SOFA king cool.
I'm SOFA King glad he won.
Yes, I'm going to milk this joke for all it's worth, thank you.
Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on November 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK
We spent 5-1/2 years, hundreds of billions of dollars, thousands of lives, and all we get is a new SOFA?
Posted by: AJB on November 17, 2008 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK
Off topic, but I think we need a this week (or maybe this day) in God blog now--did anyone catch the latest Pastor requiring his congregation to NOT abstain (because the bible said so) and for couples to pledge the same for seven days. What a joke! So now we need to have sex because the bible says it's the holy thing to do...This is the same flip side of arrogance when they preach to abstain at certain times...
Clearly this is all about this Pastor wanting to get media coverage...
And what about unwilling couples? Does that make them less pious? Less worthy? What about women and men in abusive relationships? Will this give new license to the abusive spouse to engage marital rape?
This is both funny and pathetically so not funny!
Posted by: off topic: This Day in God on November 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM | PERMALINK
Perino. She makes Bahgdad Bob look like an honest man. They all lied, Scotty, Tony, Ari, and Dana, but she always had that Palin condescension that cuts to the bone, like being smart is an unforgivable liberal flaw.
And of course her trademark 'disagreements' over the meanings of words, like 'aspirational'. I hope she goes to an undisclosed location for ever and ever.
Posted by: ScottW on November 17, 2008 at 4:21 PM | PERMALINK
Perino used the same term ('aspirational') a few months ago when the timetable originally was set in stone.
Posted by: smintheus on November 17, 2008 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK
Is this or is this not a treaty? If not, why not? The Iraqi parliament needs to ratify it. Why does nobody seem to be asking why the U.S. Senate may need to ratify it too?
Posted by: Erik K on November 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK
Either way, to call the withdrawal timeline "aspirational" just isn't true.
Well, yeah, but this whole 'aspirational" bullshit is just so the right can get its Dolchstosslegende on.
After all his protesting that agreeing to a withdrawal timetable was tantamount to surrendering to the Islamonkeys, Bush agreeing to "aspirationa;" timetables isn't really losing. Obama actually withdrawing the troops will be called losing.
It's the same as dishonest Republicans -- but I repeat myself -- claim that Democrats simply allowing tax cut sunset clauses that Congressional Republicans voted for and Bush himself signed into law to expire will be a "Democratic tax increase."
Posted by: Gregory on November 17, 2008 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK
good for George Bush, who's getting a slightly longer timetable than Barack Obama would have negotiated
I don't doubt that Bush sees it as good for him, but what purpose does the extra time serve him? It allows the creation of more dead Iraqis and more dead US servicemembers? What does he need that for?
Posted by: Wapiti on November 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM | PERMALINK
Either way, to call the withdrawal timeline "aspirational" just isn't true.
But if it makes the Bushies feel better to say it, what's the harm? They'll be gone in 63 days, 19 hours, and 40 minutes (not that I'm keeping track, or anything).
Posted by: low-tech cyclist on November 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK
That should have been "63 days, 19 hours, and 20 minutes."
Posted by: low-tech cyclist on November 17, 2008 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK
I don't really think this agreement is anything more than an extension of our occupation to the end of 2011, which is six Friedmans, many more than Bush usually asked for.
Hopefully, we'll have pulled out by then, but for some security forces to guard our (oil) interests. I think it's a political face saving agreement for both sides. The Iraqis can say they are kicking us out, and Bush can say we negotiated three more years, at which time conditions on the ground can be evaluated by the new president, and a new agreement reached if necessary. And all the pundits can argue that the agreement confirms their predictions. Everybody wins.
Now, how does this agreement affect our world's-largest-embassy? And what the hell is it for if we're pulling out?
Posted by: hark on November 17, 2008 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK
"I believe setting a deadline for withdrawal would demoralize the Iraqi people [...] -- Bush
I'm sure that the front page photo in NYT -- of Iraqis *and American soldiers* dancing in the street following the announcement -- is proof positive of this demoralisation and general derangement.
Posted by: exlibra on November 17, 2008 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK
Is it just me or are there others who get annoyed everytime they see the word "war" being used instead of "illegal invasion and continued occupation"?
The Bush regime survived, in part, by re-defining language into its own version of NewSpeak - facilitated by a lazy media more interested in profits than facts - but, surely, we can return now to the actual definition of important words, such as War.
Posted by: Orange Refugee on November 17, 2008 at 5:12 PM | PERMALINK
I agree with Hark; "the end of 2011" is more than three years away! Obama needs to shorten that up considerably.
Posted by: Jim Strain on November 17, 2008 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK
And, Steve missed half the story on this, namely the number of Sunni cabinet members who abstained from voting.
Oh, it will get approved by the Parliament. But what will the Sunni parties do then?
Posted by: SocraticGadfly on November 17, 2008 at 7:47 PM | PERMALINK
So is JCS Mullen seriously off message today, suggesting that the agreement can be modified in the future based upon conditions on the ground?
Either he doesn't wish to work in the Obama Admin, or he knows something we don't.
Posted by: tomj on November 17, 2008 at 8:59 PM | PERMALINK