December 4, 2008
MIKE DUNCAN'S DESPERATE SPIN.... Earlier this week, Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan said Sen. Saxby Chambliss' (R) win in Georgia was proof that Republicans "now have the momentum." Today, Duncan goes even further, using the predictable outcome of a Red-state Senate race to deny Barack Obama a "mandate."
Georgians refuted any notion that the ideology of the country has shifted to the left.... Notably, Chambliss won in spite of strong support by President-elect Obama and Democrat organizations for Jim Martin. Georgian's clearly sent a message that any rhetoric about a liberal mandate is nothing but hot air. [...]
In the first contest since the presidential election and what many believe is the first race of the 2010 cycle, Republicans won because we coupled a strong, conservative candidate in Saxby Chambliss with a solid ground game that reached out to millions of Georgians and turned out the vote.
First, no one believes this was the "first race of the 2010 cycle." It was a run-off election to decide the outcome of a race in the 2008 cycle, which was, by the way, 30 days ago.
Second, Duncan is obviously latching onto the results in Georgia like a life-preserver, but the only "message" the Chambliss race offered is that a conservative Republican incumbent, with the aggressive backing of the Republican Party establishment, can still win a statewide race in a reliably "red" state. Indeed, Chambliss had a" solid ground game that reached out to millions of Georgians," but he still needed a runoff to win a race against a largely unknown opponent.
Greg Sargent makes a strong case that Duncan's desperation spin is good news for Democrats: "Repubs actually are citing what happened in Georgia, a McCain state that is much more conservative and Republican than the country as a whole -- and where a runoff was nonetheless forced by an initially close vote -- to make the claim that the country overall hasn't granted Obama a mandate. That seems like a pretty clear sign that they've got absolutely zippo to use as an actual foundation for this argument."
And yet, Duncan and his allies keep making it. Fox News' Neil Cavuto suggested yesterday that Chambliss' win was "a sign that voters are already reconsidering the Democratic victory they gave the country last month."
These guys really need some new talking points.
—Steve Benen 3:05 PM
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Jim Martin is not unknown in Georgia, it's just that he is known here as a chronic loser.
Posted by: Th on December 4, 2008 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK
Georgians refuted any notion that the ideology of the country has shifted to the left....
Yeah, yeah, and Vermont refuted conservatism many times. How did that work out, Duncan?
Posted by: Danp on December 4, 2008 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK
Who thinks that if they redid the presidential election tomorrow that Obama wouldn't get over 400 EVs? His popularity is through the roof. And no way does Franken not win by a couple percent instead of having to scrounge through every precinct.
Posted by: SBG on December 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINK
For once, Krauthammer has the bast analysis of significance of Georgia race (from Fox News)
KRAUTHAMMER: What's remarkable is I think it was not so much a victory for Chambliss or the Republicans, but Barack Obama, ironically. If the Republicans can't win a straight up Senate race in Georgia, they ought to disband and join a country club. But Obama ends up as a man who is winner here because in the original election, Chambliss won by three points with Obama on the ballot. With Obama off the ballot he wins by 15. You do the math, and you end up with an Obama coattail of 12.
That is absolutely huge, and I think it is a message he can send to Democrats in the House and the Senate, meaning cross me in the next our years. If you want my help, it translates into real results.
Posted by: Johnny Canuck on December 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINK
"Georgians refuted any notion that the ideology of the country has shifted to the left.... "
Um, excuse me? Georgians are not exactly the nation's barometer, no offense but please dude, get a fucking life..
Posted by: The Galloping Trollop on December 4, 2008 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK
Saw this on another blog: On October 2,2008, Charlie Cook, of the Cook Report(?), had Chambliss in the Secure Seat column. 2 months later, after a runoff, Duncan is trying to spin this against Obama's coat tails. Gimme a break!
Posted by: barkleyg on December 4, 2008 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK
Today, we are all Georgians.
Posted by: Stefan on December 4, 2008 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK
'These guys really need some new talking points.'
States Rights, anyone?
Posted by: Michael7843853 on December 4, 2008 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK
Actually, what this race really reminded me of was 2002's Louisiana senate runoff. Remember that Mary Landrieu turned in an unimpressive total in November, in a pretty bad year for Democrats. That was the year of Chambliss-Cleland travesty, when Bush stoked post-9/11 fear and Democrats lost the Senate. The wounded Democrats then put all they had into the runoff, which Landrieu won. People tried to claim this meant the Democrats weren't in so much trouble after all. Whole lotta good that thought did two years later when we lost another four seats.
Posted by: ColoZ on December 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM | PERMALINK
The apocalypse is upon us, Johnny C! First time Krauthammer nailed a political analysis EVAR!
Posted by: idlemind on December 4, 2008 at 3:54 PM | PERMALINK
From conservative pundits to Republican operatives - sore losers, the lot of 'em! What balderdash to make a make-believe claim! Just as conservatives believe reality has a liberal bias, I believe fantasy-land has a conservative bias!
Finally, just what has the junior Duncan been smoking that would have him hallucinate so much lately? -Kevo
Posted by: kevo on December 4, 2008 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK
I get more irked over this if I thought they were trying to convince anyone but themselves. This talk is about making themselves feel better and looking for "good news" no matter how desperate it makes them look.
1. Not momentum. This is Georgia. A Republican State that went for McCain. That reelected a sitting Senator.
2. Not a break on the whole on a mandate thing. This was an election where only the voters of Georgia mattered. A Republican State that went for McCain. That reelected a sitting Senator.
3. Not rethinking giving the election to Obama. This was an election where only the voters of Georgia mattered. A Republican State that went for McCain. That reelected a sitting Senator.
Posted by: ET on December 4, 2008 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK
If electing that ahole in Georgia is any indication of the moral fiber of Georgians please remind me to stay the fuck out of that state at all times. That bullshit coward lied endlessly about his previous opponent a bona fide war hero and triple amputee and endlessly questioned his patriotism. They must be inbred to the point of being unable to discern reality.
Posted by: Gandalf on December 4, 2008 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK
I've seen desperate spin before and this is REALLY desperate spin. If this is how pathetic it is given that Chambliss won, imagine their spin if he'd lost.
Posted by: gf120581 on December 4, 2008 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK
You know Gandalf (at 4:07 PM) - I can say something like that about Georgia (even though I think you went a little too far) because I live here. And yes, there are basically a lot of people who make up the Republican "base" - Evangelical Christians, red necks and basically fearful people. But we aint' all in that group. So let's cut the rest of us a little slack.
(And it isn't so much inbred, it seems that way too many people that move here from other areas fall into the same thought patterns.)
That being said, the Chambliss victory in Georgia meant absolutely nothing as far as how the rest of the country feels about Obama.
Posted by: John Bubba on December 4, 2008 at 4:52 PM | PERMALINK
Why aren't people asking the question ...if Repugs are so strong ...why could'nt he close the deal the first time? It used to piss me off no end when they said that about Obama ...well why isn't he leading by 40 points
Posted by: John R on December 4, 2008 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK
If you're down 16 to 0 in the bottom of the eighth getting a single doesn't change the mo.
Posted by: SteveB on December 4, 2008 at 5:58 PM | PERMALINK
"You know Gandalf (at 4:07 PM) - I can say something like that about Georgia (even though I think you went a little too far) because I live here. And yes, there are basically a lot of people who make up the Republican "base" - Evangelical Christians, red necks and basically fearful people. But we aint' all in that group. So let's cut the rest of us a little slack.
(And it isn't so much inbred, it seems that way too many people that move here from other areas fall into the same thought patterns.)
"That being said, the Chambliss victory in Georgia meant absolutely nothing as far as how the rest of the country feels about Obama."
I live in Georgia's evil twin brother state: South Carolina. I strongly second John Bubba's remarks. Georgia had Chambliss running; we had Graham. You know Graham, the guy who if John McCain ever made a turn while walking would suffer a broken nose. An unknown actually made a run at Graham. Just like Chambliss.
Times are changing in our redneck states. Dems are getting more and more votes. The day may come, but it isn't here yet. As JohnBubba notes, these predictable senatorial outcomes have absolutely nothing to do with Obama's overall mandate from the nation.
Next up in South Carolina: Demint—who's even more of a blithering idiot than Graham—in 2010. If we see even halfway decent performance from the Fed in the next two years, there might be a serious Dem challenge to Demint.
Posted by: Nixon Did It on December 4, 2008 at 8:29 PM | PERMALINK
"You know Gandalf (at 4:07 PM) - I can say something like that about Georgia (even though I think you went a little too far) because I live here. And yes, there are basically a lot of people who make up the Republican "base" - Evangelical Christians, red necks and basically fearful people. But we aint' all in that group. So let's cut the rest of us a little slack.
(And it isn't so much inbred, it seems that way too many people that move here from other areas fall into the same thought patterns.)
"That being said, the Chambliss victory in Georgia meant absolutely nothing as far as how the rest of the country feels about Obama."
You are right on but like JOhn Bubba said not all of us are inbred, some are transplants. But also Atlanta and it's metro area is like another country when compared to the rest of the mostly redneck state, that's still like most of our other southern compatriots still stuck on back in the day and haven't moved on since colonialism.
Posted by: SexyT-ro on December 4, 2008 at 11:48 PM | PERMALINK