December 21, 2008
DIMINISHING THE OVP.... Fox News' Chris Wallace asked Dick Cheney to respond to some of the criticism Joe Biden had directed at the vice president over the course of the presidential campaign. After mocking Biden for having referring to Article I during a debate, instead of Article II, Cheney shrugged off Biden's disapproval in a pointed way.
"...I think I'd write that off as campaign rhetoric. I don't take it seriously and if he wants to diminish the office of the vice president, that's obviously his call."
Yes, Dick Cheney believes someone else may tarnish and cheapen the OVP. Right.
Cheney also seemed to mock Biden for having less power and influence in the future than he's had over the last eight years.
"I think that President-elect Obama will decide what he wants in a vice president and apparently from the way they're talking about it, he does not expect him to have as consequential a role as I have had during my time," Cheney said.
That's true, but Cheney is rephrasing reality to make it sound insulting. Both Obama and Biden have said publicly that Cheney took on the role of co-president, and that it's time to restore some institutional and constitutional normalcy to the office. Cheney, for example, began every day with his own intelligence briefing, and then insisted that he sit in on the president's. It was Cheney who was the last person the president saw before making an important decision. And it was Cheney who not only picked Bush's cabinet and Supreme Court nominees, but who also established his own "shadow government" within the Bush administration.
Cheney believes Biden will be less "consequential" in the OVP. We should be so lucky.
—Steve Benen 2:30 PM
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Obama doesn't need a baby sitter.
Posted by: inkadu on December 21, 2008 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK
Yes, Dick Cheney believes someone else may tarnish and cheapen the OVP. Right.
There aren't enough foul words to describe this revisionist dick, let alone string them into a sentence. How many more days of this?
Posted by: Kevin on December 21, 2008 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK
And it was Cheney who not only picked Bush's cabinet and Supreme Court nominees,
And never forget, it was Cheney who picked Cheney for VP!
Posted by: martin on December 21, 2008 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK
Biden probably won't even shoot someone in the face.
Posted by: Dennis-SGMM on December 21, 2008 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK
"I think that President-elect Obama will decide what he wants in a vice president
Unlike "The Decider", who merely acquiesced.
And it must have been rough running the country, while everyone thought the village idiot was in charge. Speaking of Bush, I saw him on CSPAN this morning. It was his interview at AEI from earlier this week. He said a president has "four constituencies" he has to listen to: 1) The American People 2) The enemy (yes, that's right the number two constituency he has to listen to is the "enemy". 3) The Iraq government, and 4) The military.
Kinda makes you wonder. If the Republicans come up with any good ideas, will anyone take them seriously?
Posted by: Danp on December 21, 2008 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK
Not only does Obama not need a babysitter, but Obama is not lacking in the talent, intellect, and genuine interest in problem solving it takes to be the nation's leader. No one would find it so easy to take advantage of Obama as Cheney found taking advantage of a non-starter like Bush.
Posted by: jcricket on December 21, 2008 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK
I love the "that's obviously his call" about determining the power of the office -- as if it's purely a matter of whim on the part of the office-holder. Obviously.
Posted by: Kenji on December 21, 2008 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK
Cheney is a war criminal and traitor. He deserves prison for the rest of his life. Anything less is an injustice.
Posted by: Mike on December 21, 2008 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK
Thank you President Bush and Vice President Cheney for keeping us safe for 7 ½ years.
Dear Mr. President,
Thank you Sir for your courage, and your leadership that has kept the American homeland safe for every second after 9/11.
You have taken a huge challenge and make good on your promise.
Thank you for liberating Iraq from a coward and then for having the courage to build that country up again.
History may rethink your decisions and will finally understand your huge leadership to introduce democracy to a land of religious fanatics.
You may have changed the face of the future more than any other president in our recent history, in the same regard as Regan after the victory of the cold war.
The best to you Sir,
REID D. REASOR, Lt Col (Ret) USAF B.S. M.T.
Posted by: Reid D. Reasor on December 21, 2008 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK
Less consequential? Perhaps.
Less detrimental? Not by a long shot.
Posted by: Cap'n Phealy on December 21, 2008 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK
Oh brother, where to start with this. Diminish the Vice Presidency? Leaving aside the fact that Cheney is a colossal stain on his office (and American politics in general), the basic fact is that THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS NO REAL POWER. His only consititutional duties are to preside over the Senate, break ties and take over if the president bites the dust. That's it. He can also be an advisor to the President, but only if the President cares to hear it (many Presidents in the past have, after all, ignored their Veeps completely). Cheney took the office way beyond its constitutional boudaries and now they are being restored. If Biden "diminishes" the office that way, we're all the better for it.
Posted by: gf120581 on December 21, 2008 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK
Cheney's been the country's de facto president for eight years. Bush was the amiable dunce whose only asset was his electability.
REID D. REASOR, Lt Col (Ret) USAF B.S. M.T.
Wingnut First Class, USGOP. Recipient of the Purple Band-Aid. With three oak leaf clusters.
Posted by: Screamin' Demon on December 21, 2008 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK
How many more days of this? -- Kevin, @14:45
The battery on my "Bush's Last Days" counter ran out the other day. It is thankful to my math teacher I now am, for her insistence that I learn to count... Yesterday, it was 28 knuckles (14 on each hand), plus "two in memory"; today, it's been only "one in memory" and, from tomorrow on, it's plain sailing...
Posted by: exlibra on December 21, 2008 at 4:49 PM | PERMALINK
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Posted by: G on December 21, 2008 at 5:26 PM | PERMALINK
Yes, Dick Cheney believes someone else may tarnish and cheapen the OVP. Right.
No, "diminish" refers to reducing the powers of the vice presidency. Not that that makes Cheney less of a dick, just a different kind of one.
Posted by: shortstop on December 21, 2008 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK
steve: Cheney is rephrasing reality to make it sound insulting.
and how is that working out...
60% have a favorable view of the Democratic Party, while a majority have an unfavorable opinion of the GOP.
- CNN/Opinion Research Corp. 12/10/08
DEM - Unfavorable = 28%
GOP - Unfavorable = 52%
- NBC/Wall Street Journal 12/10/08
Posted by: mr. irony on December 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM | PERMALINK
REID D. REASOR, Lt Col (Ret) USAF B.S. M.T.: Mr. President, Thank you Sir for your courage, and your leadership
The #1 word Americans use to describe G.W.Bush:
incompetent (56%)
- Pew Research 12/18/08
Posted by: mr. irony on December 21, 2008 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK
Let's see - under Cheney and Georgie Boy, the American global reputation has diminished; our economy has "diminished"; about the only thing that hasn't diminished is our national debt and the number of lives squandered in their dirty little war.
Posted by: Tess on December 21, 2008 at 5:53 PM | PERMALINK
"...if he wants to diminish the office of the vice president, that's obviously his call." - Cheney
Yes, Dick Cheney believes someone else may tarnish and cheapen the OVP. Right."
Again, Cheney means WEAKEN the Office of the Vice President, not tarnish or cheapen.
Posted by: Lance on December 21, 2008 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK
I thought Cheney and Bush had a 50/50 deal agreed upon. Wonder what 50% Bush ran?
Posted by: avahome on December 21, 2008 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK
mr. irony: "The #1 word Americans use to describe G.W.Bush:
incompetent (56%)"
But why do they hate freedom?
(Remember that? It now seems as dated as an old Beyonce song.)
Posted by: Kenji on December 21, 2008 at 9:27 PM | PERMALINK
I don't take it seriously and if he wants to diminish the office of the vice president
The word was "diminish", not "cheapen" or "tarnish".
Gore and Cheney enlarged the office of the vice president, and Biden will diminish it. Biden really has no choice, as he lacks the capability of his two predecessors.
Posted by: MatthewRMarler on December 21, 2008 at 9:30 PM | PERMALINK
That Cheney, what a joker! To bad about that lack of blood flow to his brain after the stroke.
If you ever get the chance to meet him, always remember he loves to hear his most famous saying: Hey Cheney, go fuck yourself!
Posted by: Cheney's Big Friend on December 21, 2008 at 9:46 PM | PERMALINK
"Biden really has no choice, as he lacks the capability of his two predecessors."
ROFL.... And just what, pray tell, were Cheney's "capabilities?" Still guzzling that Kool-Aid, I see.
Posted by: PaulB on December 21, 2008 at 10:15 PM | PERMALINK
And just what, pray tell, were Cheney's "capabilities?"
Why, inspiring, through his manly can-do attitude and straight shooting (sorry, Mr. Whittington), the obeisance of peculiar-smelling old men whose dearest wish is to successfully fake evenhandedness in a bid to appear super-reasonable among the savages, and who tragically find this deepest desire continually out of their chubby-fingered grasp.
Posted by: shortstop on December 21, 2008 at 10:40 PM | PERMALINK
And I've heard rumors that Biden wants to get rid of Cheney's man-sized safe when he takes office.
The nerve!
"And it was Cheney who not only picked Bush's cabinet and Supreme Court nominees, but who also established his own "shadow government" within the Bush administration."
You forgot to mention that it was Cheney who also shoved his hand up Bush's ass to move his lips during their testimony at the 9/11 Commission.
Posted by: 2Manchu on December 21, 2008 at 11:16 PM | PERMALINK
Of course, Biden won't have a sock puppet to manipulate, so his "impact" on the office of the VP might be expected to be somewhat different. Biden wants to HELP the President do his job, not do it for him, like the Dark Lord.
Posted by: Cal Gal on December 22, 2008 at 1:06 AM | PERMALINK
Fortunately, Biden will not have a fool for a president, so these kinds of shenanigans from the OVP will become a thing of the past.
Posted by: Marko on December 22, 2008 at 9:11 AM | PERMALINK