December 31, 2008
THE YEAR'S WORST AMERICANS.... The Guardian's Michael Tomasky pulled together the Tomasky List of the 19 Worst Americans of 2008, and it's quite a collection.
John Edwards makes the list at #16, in recognition of his awful judgment; Geraldine Ferraro comes in at #14 for her frequently-obnoxious campaign surrogacy; and the EPA's Stephen Johnson finished at #13 for his shameless on-the-job performance.
In the top 10, Eliot Spitzer probably deserves his rank at #9; Dick Cheney came in at #8 ("just because," Tomasky explained); and Joe Lieberman is obviously a fine choice at #6. The top five is very hard to disagree with: Michelle Bachmann, with the "single most appalling political statement of the year," was #5, followed by Rod Blagojevich at #4 for fairly obvious reasons.
George W. Bush was third, followed by Sarah Palin for having "perfectly embodied everything that is malign about my country: the proto-fascist nativism, the know-nothingism, the utterly cavalier lack of knowledge about the actual principles on which the country was founded." Taking the top spot was Bernard Madoff, thanks to his $50 billion Ponzi scheme.
I love Tomasky's list, but I'd just add a few more names for consideration:
* Rudy Giuliani -- His campaign hackery, before and after his own candidacy, continues to offend. His convention speech, accusing Obama of being "cosmopolitan," was so painfully stupid, it's hard to forget.
* Bill Kristol -- Dollar for dollar, the worst newspaper columnist in America was a constant source of predictable drivel and misguided predictions.
* Phil Gramm -- Not only did Gramm's policies help create the financial nightmare, but he mocked Americans' pain, calling us a "nation of whiners." That he was a leading candidate to be the Treasury Secretary in McCain's administration continues to send shivers down my spine.
* Paul Broun -- The Republican congressman from Georgia argued, publicly and on the record, that Barack Obama reminded him of Adolf Hitler. Bachmann's McCarthyism was "single most appalling political statement of the year," but Broun's insanity was second.
* And I think Ashley Todd probably belongs in the mix of the year's worst Americans. Her self-mutilation/racist/sexual-assault story was the year's most offensive stunt.
Are we forgetting anyone?
—Steve Benen 1:50 PM
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As much as I despise Ferraro for her idiotic statements, I think John Edwards' sin was far worse. He ran for president knowing that he had the affair and the baby in his closet. If he'd gotten the nomination, we'd have lost the election and everything we've worked for when this came out. Just colossal ego.
Not sure why Spitzer even made the top 10.
Posted by: shortstop on December 31, 2008 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK
Bobby Rush is a compelling late entry.
Posted by: DJ on December 31, 2008 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK
Cokie Roberts
John McCain
Liddy Dole
Posted by: MissMudd on December 31, 2008 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK
I think if you put Palin at #2, you gotta include Gonzales, for the same type of reasons.
He embodied the soulless, spineless, amoral, boot-licking attitude that characterized so much of the Bush administration, as well as so many of the people who actively participated in torture, subversion of justice, denial of human rights, etc., AND those who participated in the financial meltdown.
His bland lies, his mechanical defense of the indefensible, his almost careless self-contradictions, and his obvious disdain for the ethics of his profession, not to mention common humanity, definitely qualify him for the top 20.
Posted by: bleh on December 31, 2008 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK
Rush - when thinking of the worst person in the country, Rush should always be in the top five.
Posted by: Eric on December 31, 2008 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK
Kwame Kilpatrick is worse than Blagojevich. He lied repeatedly under oath, misappropriated millions of Detroit taxpayer dollars that he used as hush money in a secret settlement to keep his perjury quiet, and then clung to his job for 10 months, paralyzing a city with plenty of other problems. If Blagojevich is still governor in September of '09, he might give the Kwamster some competition.
Posted by: WSP on December 31, 2008 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK
For Edwards, Farraro and Spitzer to make 16, 14 and 9, respectively, suggests that Tomasky is either not very well informed or has a strange set of values. Perhaps he agrees with Deborah Howell, the WaPo ombudsman who thinks Dems and Reps have to be treated as equals, in terms of (un)favorable coverage.
Roger Stone - founder of Citizens United Not Timid
Karl Rove - Lifetime achievement
Paulson (more so than Madoff)
Posted by: Danp on December 31, 2008 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK
I don't understand why Spitzer made the list, but not the diaper wearing Vitter.
Posted by: JS on December 31, 2008 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK
You folks are really worried about Palin, aren't you. The entire Chicago machine should go #1 but you won't do that because you-know-who is beholden to them.
Posted by: Mike K on December 31, 2008 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK
You folks are really worried about Palin, aren't you. Posted by: Mike K
Care for some anti-perspirant to stop that flopsweat, dunce?
Posted by: DJ on December 31, 2008 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK
Eric --yeah but Rush (I'm assuming you mean Limbaugh) ain't worth the energy. He's been ranting offensive cant for so long, who even takes him seriously anymore?
That Rudy convention speech was truly awful and disingenuous and mean-spirited. He does deserve to be on the list, because the nastiness of that speech set the tone for the whole rebublican convention -- he was more enthusiastic the nastier he got. It wasn't even a speech, it was a series of spiteful oneliners. And his nastiness was catching. It carried over into the enthusiasm for whats her face. Wasn't the gusty applause and cheer creepy? And talk about the biggest waste of campaign dollars in history? I'm talking that one $50 million delegate.
Gonzales should have been on the list in 2007, not this year. This year he had no role in anything.
Posted by: johnna on December 31, 2008 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK
John McCain should definitely be on the list. Have we forgotten so soon the despicable campaign that he ran (Britney, Ayers, picking Palin). In fact, picking Palin was the most reckless, despicable act by any President in a campaign -- to risk having someone so grotesquely unqualified and extremist as President deserves the No. 1 ranking.
Posted by: Upper West on December 31, 2008 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK
Bush and Cheney should be #1 and #2.
I can't believe Edwards is on a list of only 19. There were FAR more horrendous folks than one bad judgment of a man who is otherwise a fantastic, big hearted person!
And he gets bonus points for coming out with it and then disappearing from the public entirely.
Posted by: Bush should be #1 and cut Edwards some slack! on December 31, 2008 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK
Catastrophe! Mike K has stumbled on the great secret. Curses upon those whose loose tongues unmasked us!
Now all surely will be lost when Sarah Palin is unleashed. Woe unto us, o woe!
Posted by: bleh on December 31, 2008 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK
Mike K.:
Worried about Palin? Are you high? I'm fuckin' PRAYING that she stays as visible as possible until 2012; wins the GOP nomination; and plays a leading role in relegating the Republican Party even deeper into the wilderness as a regional-at-best freakshow of anti-intellectual xenophobes.
Posted by: bikelib on December 31, 2008 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK
You folks are really worried about Palin, aren't you. The entire Chicago machine should go #1 but you won't do that because you-know-who is beholden to them.
Yep, Obama is so beholden to them that three of them got up on national TV yesterday to try and publicly embarrass him into doing what they want. Because when you can control everything that someone does from behind the scenes, you always have to make sure you also hold press conferences to publicly pressure them to do your bidding. You know, just to be sure.
Posted by: Mnemosyne on December 31, 2008 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK
David Addington, not only for his bad judgment and unconstitutional secrecy, but also for his shear bullheaded forcefulness in ramming his bad ideas past everyone in the Bush Administration who might otherwise have had a smidgen of conscience.
But I guess that wasn't 2008 stuff, so nevermined.
OK, how about Mark Penn, for running a campaign without knowing that Democratic delegates were awarded proportionately? Probably that bad advice was mainly delivered in 2007, but it came to fruition in 2008.
Posted by: Cal Gal on December 31, 2008 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK
As much as I agree that Madoff and Palin are "worst" people, I think W. still tops the list. Sure, Palin (and her ardent supporters) daily demonstrated what's wrong with this country, but no moreso than W. And, yeah, Madoff stole $50 billion, which is causing a lot of pain to individual investors and causing non profits and other institutions to suspend their activities or close their doors, but W.'s actions helped sink the entire economy -- not only with he (and cronies) desire to deregulate everything they could, but also with the fighting of a long, phony, deadly expensive war.
He wins hands down.
Posted by: LP on December 31, 2008 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK
Hank Paulson & Christopher Cox made Madoff, AIG & so much more into the biggest pile of financial dister ever. Seems cruel to hide them in the background while the little guys get all the credit.
Posted by: Downpuppy on December 31, 2008 at 2:18 PM | PERMALINK
Tucker Bounds
Carly Fiorina
Dick Morris
Posted by: Akinola on December 31, 2008 at 2:18 PM | PERMALINK
It's a confused list because it's not meant to be a list of worst things done or said (at least the title doesn't indicate such)--it's a list of worst Americans. As in overall character, demeanor, approach--which typically comprises multiple harmful, bigoted actions over a stretch of time.
Although Michelle Bachman's statement-- and her subsequent denial of the same-- was heinous enough to qualify her.
These two categories overlap, but clearly are not the same thing.
Posted by: List of bad behavior or bad person? on December 31, 2008 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK
"There was just an AP article posted that found how Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening..."
Hillary Clinton
Posted by: CJ on December 31, 2008 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK
Everyone mentioned in Steve's article are worthy of inclusion, but Dick Cheney has to be #1. Only he was personally responsible for systematically dismantling American constitutional government and decimating both our economy and our military.
Bush, Gonzalez, Rumsfeld and all the rest were merely pawns in his web of delusion. He envisioned a new American Empire with himself in charge behind the scenes, and he still doesn't understand how wrong he was or why he's so unpopular.
Many on the list are no more than circus clowns (see Bachmann and Palin) or ideological hacks who did damage in their own way, but Cheney ultimately stood at the center of it all, enabling the flood of poison that spewed out the White House like a noxious sewer and preventing any attempt to reign it in.
And that's all I have to say about that.
Posted by: Curmudgeon on December 31, 2008 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK
I won't win popularity points for this one, but I nominate Patrick Fitzgerald, who just today asked for a 90 day extension for Blago's indictment. Add that to leaving an eternal cloud over the vice presidency and a get-out-of-jail-free card for Rove makes him a goat in my book.
Posted by: Danp on December 31, 2008 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK
(Dramatically crossing Danp off New Year's stollen list.)
Just messin' witcha. I don't agree, but I would never withhold fruitcake from you, babe.
Posted by: shortstop on December 31, 2008 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK
Sorry, but Cheney is the all-time worst American. He's killed more people, and burned more treasure, than anyone else. He's in a league by himself.
If you doubt that, just ask yourself how much better off this country would be if Cheney had never been born.
Posted by: craigie on December 31, 2008 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK
Blago (#4!) is just a blip on the radar screen; Limbaugh will always be with us.
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr on December 31, 2008 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK
shortstop - I can forgive you for disagreeing once in a while. But the fruitcake? Could you send it to Fitzgerald, please. :)
Posted by: Danp on December 31, 2008 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK
It's always hard to decide whom to exclude from lists like this, but I think the following is unfair:
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher.
He was in his own yard, and did nothing to intentionally make himself famous. He's a small-scale private entrepreneur.
Serious consideration should go to Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, for "shameless on the job performance" relevant to the mortgage meltdown and banking crisis.
Posted by: MatthewRMarler on December 31, 2008 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK
Surely a top 19 list could be filled entirely with people who caused actual immediate death and destruction. Bush' and his criminals alone could fill up the 19.
I agree with Danp that Fitzgerald is a sheep in wolf's clothing.
i agree with shortstop on Edwards risking our entire country.
Posted by: Dale on December 31, 2008 at 2:37 PM | PERMALINK
He was in his own yard, and did nothing to intentionally make himself famous. He's a small-scale private entrepreneur.
Yes, quite a bit smaller scale than he indicated, as it turned out. Mr. Wurzelbacher had a real problem telling the truth about all sorts of things. And far from running from being famous, once he hit the spotlight he arduously pursued it and is still pursuing it. No victim he, no hero he, except in the mind of myth-loving Republicans.
Posted by: shortstop on December 31, 2008 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK
I agree with Danp that Fitzgerald is a sheep in wolf's clothing.
George Ryan would disagree with you. And so would Blagojevich. Everyone seems to think that this latest crap is all that Fitzgerald has on him -- Tony Rezko's sentencing has been indefinitely delayed because he has finally begun talking. Look for a big fat indictment of Blagojevich to come down by springtime.
Posted by: DJ on December 31, 2008 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK
Marler's comments are reliably wrong. And notice that he wants to leave out a clown whose self-promotion ran rampant and is a Republican stooge, while slamming Democrats who were much less a part of the disaster than the Republican regulatory regime.
Posted by: heavy on December 31, 2008 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK
"Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher. He was in his own yard, and did nothing to intentionally make himself famous. He's a small-scale private entrepreneur."
I count at three falsehoods in this statement:
1. He was in his own yard.
2. He did nothing to intentionally make himself famous.
3. He was an entrepreneur.
Posted by: CJ on December 31, 2008 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK
I'd follow Time's lead and include "You" with complimentary hand held mirrors for all those folks at the Palin rallies yelling "Kill him" etc.
Posted by: tomeck on December 31, 2008 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK
George Ryan would disagree with you. -DJ
Speaking of Ryan, what's up with Sen. Durbin endorsing a pardon for him?
Posted by: Danp on December 31, 2008 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK
I think Edwards and Spitzer should be immediately taken off the list. Having consensual sex does not qualify someone to be on a list of "worst Americans." Yes, there was a big hullabaloo over both men's "scandals," but that says much more about American attitudes concerning sex than it does about them. I am not at all convinced Edwards would have lost the election if his affair and baby had come out. Most people realized Bill Clinton had affairs in 1992 (if they didn't they were pretty stupid) and he still won anyway.
As for Giuliani, I don't have the hostility toward his convention speech that jonnah does. I just didn't take it that seriously. It was a red meat, rabble-rousing speech designed to get his audience aroused and worked up, and that's what it did. As long as these types of speeches aren't racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, etc I don't have a huge problem with them. I even found much of what Giuliani said rather amusing: "I'm sorry Barack, that it's not flashy enough!"
And there was something hilarious about the former mayor of NYC being a cheerleader for small towns, and about a man who has had a soap opera personal life bringing the religious right to its feet with "Maybe they cling to religion there!"
Posted by: Lee on December 31, 2008 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK
Speaking of Ryan, what's up with Sen. Durbin endorsing a pardon for him?
Commutation of sentence, actually (the conviction would stand). Durbin's being soft-hearted (and I would argue soft-headed as well), moved by the plight of Ryan's wife. Durbin has taken a big hit in terms of his popularity in Illinois because of his stand. Whenever people think of Ryan, they think of those six children who died in a fiery van crash caused by an unqualfied truck driver who bought his driver's license in Ryan's scheme. Ryan gets no sympathy here. None.
Posted by: DJ on December 31, 2008 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK
Can't we at least get a dishonorable mention for the Doughy Pantload?
Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on December 31, 2008 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK
Senators Shelby and DeMint (as stand-ins for the Senate Republicans) for being a perfect definition of what's wrong with today's GOP
O'Reilly and Hannity (as stand-ins for FOX)
Keith Olbermann for making Barack Obama the "worst person in the world."
Levi Johnson, (as a stand-in for all the guys who don't use condoms when they should), for not using a condom
Posted by: frank logan on December 31, 2008 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK
Having consensual sex does not qualify someone to be on a list of "worst Americans."
No, but having illegal sex when you are supposed to be upholding the law does.
As long as our culture is largely patriarchal, sexist and misogynistic, prostitution cannot be viewed as a victimless crime.
Spitzer disgraced himself.
Case closed.
Posted by: lobbygow on December 31, 2008 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK
Speaking of Ryan, what's up with Sen. Durbin endorsing a pardon for him?
Ugh. Isn't that revolting? Professional courtesy, I suppose, but to what end?
I am not at all convinced Edwards would have lost the election if his affair and baby had come out.
But Lee, with all respect, wishing for different public attitudes toward sex and physical fidelity, as you often do in your posts, is not the same as those attitudes existing in reality. He absolutely would have lost the election when it came out that not only was he having an affair; he was having it while his wife was ill with cancer. I know from your previous posts that you don't find anything particularly wrong with that, but I assure you that most Americans do.
And Edwards surely knew that, so to gamble with the presidency when we're in such dire straits as a nation and world is incredibly selfish. I'm well aware that no one runs for the presidency without a very healthy ego and a belief that they're the best thing for the country, but it's too bad this blinds so many people to the reality of their electability.
Posted by: shortstop on December 31, 2008 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK
Keith Olbermann for making Barack Obama the "worst person in the world."
Context is your friend. Olbermann stated at the outset of his nightly award that it is meant in the spirit of malicious fun (he said that there are certainly murderers, rapists, thieves, etc. who are far worse). Obama won that night for misstating how many years he had been married the day before his wedding anniversary.
Posted by: DJ on December 31, 2008 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK
Context is your friend
That should be on a t-shirt.
Posted by: lobbygow on December 31, 2008 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK
shortstop,
"He absolutely would have lost the election when it came out that not only was he having an affair; he was having it while his wife was ill with cancer."
This is one of those unprovable counterfactual claims, like when people say "If Christianity hadn't preached anti-Semitism the Holocaust would never have happened," or "If Kennedy had lived he would have gotten out of Vietnam." How do you know? Did you create a parallel universe in which Edwards was nominated and then lost? I'm actually glad he wasn't chosen; I think Obama was a much stronger candidate than Edwards would have been, even leaving aside the affair issue. But I don't think you can say so authoritatively that he would have lost without hard evidence. Considering the way many American voters often shrug their shoulders at this type of thing (even while disapproving of it) I don't see that evidence.
Posted by: Lee on December 31, 2008 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK
Why is Henry Paulson not on this list? Hell, Madoff "only" stole $50B of private suckers' money. Paulson and his cronies have made off with more than ten times that amount, on the public's dime.
Posted by: Eisbär on December 31, 2008 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK
You're right, Lee; I don't know for sure. Let's leave it at this: you think I may be underestimating 2008 America's tolerance for presidential candidates having affairs and conceiving children with other women while their wives are fighting terminal cancer, and I think you may be overestimating it. He might have gotten away with it electorally. I don't think you can argue, though, that it was a massive risk and that Edwards knew it.
Posted by: shortstop on December 31, 2008 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK
Er...I don't think you can argue, though, that it wasn't a massive risk...
Posted by: shortstop on December 31, 2008 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK
George Ryan would disagree with you. -DJ
Let's just say, Fitz is on a leash of a certain length.
Posted by: Dale on December 31, 2008 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK
I'd put Sally Kern in there--Oklahoma state rep who said the "homosexual agenda" is more dangerous than terrorism
Posted by: Chris Edelson on December 31, 2008 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK
Kudos to Danp for asserting a thought-provoking and ultimately insightful opinion. This 90-day extension for the indictment is BS. Fitzgerald paraded around town calling Blagojevich everything under the sun; you would think he might have had the goods before doing so.
Posted by: Chocolate Thunder on December 31, 2008 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK
Sorry Lee, but I've got to agree with the others in thinking Edwards belongs on that list. Sure, it's possible he still could have won, but it'd have made things a lot LOT harder. One of Obama's greatest strengths was his ability to avoid controversy and keeping the election on the issues instead of personality. But had Edwards been the nominee, he would have been the only issue most folks talked about. Even as it was, he was a HUGE story for a short time, yet he wasn't running for office or holding any office. With Edwards heading the ticket, the Republicans would have successful kept the financial crisis, Palin's idiocy, and all the other things that helped us out of the public view. This would have been an entirely different election with liar Edwards heading the ticket.
Is it provable and factual that Edwards would have lost the election? No. But this election would have totally sucked with him heading the ticket, and I really don't see how he could have survived it. And just as a reminder, you also are making an unprovable and counterfactual claim. Fortunately for us, we'll never know what would have happened if Edwards was on the ticket. But without any doubt, it would have made the election suck. And even if he somehow won, it'd be a primary story throughout his presidency. Edwards wasn't a bad choice, but he wasn't such an essential choice that he should have risked doing what he tried doing. Affairs are one thing, but lying about an actual baby was a disgusting display of egotism. I was never an Edwards man, but what he did to his supporters was a horrible thing.
Posted by: Doctor Biobrain on December 31, 2008 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK
Kudos to Danp for asserting a thought-provoking and ultimately insightful opinion. This 90-day extension for the indictment is BS. Fitzgerald paraded around town calling Blagojevich everything under the sun; you would think he might have had the goods before doing so.
Posted by: Chocolate Thunder
Er, if it's so BS, why did Blagojevich's lawyer agree to it?
Posted by: DJ on December 31, 2008 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK
Diane Fedele: Chaffey Community Republican Women, San Bernardino County, CA
For distributing a newsletter picturing Barack Obama on a phony $10 bill adorned with a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken.
Posted by: MissMudd on December 31, 2008 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK
The majority of voters in California for their bassackwards hatred of 10% of the United States' population...
Posted by: Stephen on December 31, 2008 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK
ONE GLARING OMISSION: Joe Lieberman for his Benedict Arnold approach to politics and his revisionist, cowardly, kiss-butt return to being an "Obama supporter." He sickens me...
Posted by: Stephen on December 31, 2008 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK
Serious consideration should go to Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, for "shameless on the job performance" relevant to the mortgage meltdown and banking crisis.
Posted by: MatthewRMarler
That will never happen because that is off message. You folks have to keep the public from looking behind that curtain.
The hate directed toward Palin is amazing. She did everything we should be asking of a politician; she worked at a real job, raised a family, got involved in politics at a local level and worked her way up. I'm not making the case she is qualified to be president but that doesn't explain the hate, so well demonstrated here.
Posted by: Mike K on December 31, 2008 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK
Michael Savage.
Just because.
But especially this year because of his finding a cure for autism.
Posted by: pbg on December 31, 2008 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK
Having consensual sex does not qualify someone to be on a list of "worst Americans."
It's pretty crappy and says quite a lot about you and the level of trust you deserve when you're married. Especially when the "civil right" of marriage is such a contentious issue. Why should someone who can't respect marriage get to enjoy the legal benefits of marriage when others aren't allowed to.
I wonder, though, one of the great "what if's" about John Edwards - would he have made it onto the ticket instead of Biden if he hadn't been discredited? Or what about Spitzer? How would this incoming Administration and its approach to the crises we now face be different if either of those guys were VP instead Biden?
Posted by: Ethel-To-Tilly on December 31, 2008 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK
The unhinged and racist Bobby Rush should have made the list.
Posted by: daniel rotter on December 31, 2008 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK
i gotta second Kwame Kilpatrick, the mayor of detroit...he got people fired who then turned around and won a huge financial reward from a city that isn't exactly rolling in money....
as for alberto,...he just popped up today in an eye-rolling interview with the wall street journal..."i consider myself a casualty in the war on terror."
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/12/31/former-ag-alberto-gonzales-to-wsj-i-consider-myself-a-casualty/
Posted by: dj spellchecka on December 31, 2008 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK
DJ - If the Illinois US Attorney had been someone a bit less cautious, he might have indicted Blago even before the play-for-pay scandal began. Of course, I don't know that for certain, but giving him another 90 days doesn't serve the people well. It may well lead to even more fraud, especially since Blagojevich doesn't seem to have the same definitions as most of us. Assuming the transcripts are accurate reflections of the tapes, Fitzgerald shouldn't have any trouble getting a conspiracy conviction. Meanwhile, he would still have time to add charges.
He is reportedly also weighing the possibility of sharing the tapes (or some) with the state legislature. Why wouldn't he at least give them the parts that are in the public?
Why refuse Congress a complete report on the Plame investigation? With all the information that has been printed, he couldn't get a conspiracy charge that included Rove? And when I read about his successes, I can't help but wonder how much corruption went on while he continued to investigate. Anyway, that's why I'm not so impressed by him.
Posted by: Danp on December 31, 2008 at 4:48 PM | PERMALINK
"...baby in his closet."
Edwards denied that it was his baby, and it was never proven that it was. Let's exercise a little responsibility, people.
Posted by: daniel rotter on December 31, 2008 at 4:49 PM | PERMALINK
Barack Obama should be on that list for lying about the telecom immunity issue. He promised to vote against immunity and then broke his word. He also endorsed bigotry by giving Rick Warren a prominent role in the inauguration ceremony.
Posted by: Glenn Greenwald Supporter on December 31, 2008 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK
Kudos for including Phil Gramm, the godfather of the Bush Depression. I'd suggest making it a two-fer-one by adding his wife Wendy Gramm to the list, for parlaying her total inexperience along with his insider status into a megamillion dollar "executive" sinecure with the very same financial Ponzi industry that Aggie Phil was taking big money from for deregulating. First prize ought to be a long prison term for both of these crooks, and seizure of all of their hidden bank accounts.
Posted by: melior on December 31, 2008 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK
I agree that adultery is a character fault, and that if Edwards' adultery had been discovered after he was nominated, McCain might well be our president elect, and that an attorney general going to hookers where prostitution is illegal is dumb, but I don't think any of these acts can make someone one of the worst 19 people in the country. Christ, people, look at the House and Senate rosters! Look at just the justice department in the last 8 years.
How is fucking someone not your spouse worse than stocking the justice department with Regent University graduates or ordering the EPA or NOAA to ignore scientists' recommendations?
Posted by: anandine on December 31, 2008 at 5:10 PM | PERMALINK
Clearly, Kwame - and maybe the entire Detroit city council for behaving badly. I don't think Spitzer should be that high.. I would put Kerry Killinger higher, for utterly failing in his fiduciary duties..
Posted by: Andy on December 31, 2008 at 5:17 PM | PERMALINK
Danp, the "haste" in charging can be explained by the circumstances. If the allegations are true, Blagojevich was in the process of selling a Senate seat to the highest bidder, and was extorting the Chicago Tribune to fire the editorial board in exchange for the state helping in the sale of Wrigley Field. Moreover, the Government is alleging they have additional witnesses to interview. You are entitled to your opinion of Fitzgerald, but I, and many people here in Illinois, don't share it.
Posted by: DJ on December 31, 2008 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK
The hate directed toward Palin is amazing
Who's hating on her here? Mocking endlessly, sure, but show me a comment here that shows hatred. Of course you cannot, because you are pulling the Hannity Handjob line of reasoning from your ass...criticism=hatred.
Shit, we're having fun with her! She's a fucking dolt...an ambitious narcissist boob who should have turned McCain down flatly when he asked her to run with him, but nooooooo, she accepted without hesitation, knowing damn well she wasn't remotely up to the task. But hey, she shoots a gun and believes in the baby jezuz so that's enough for 1/3 of the morons in this country to find her qualified.
Competent and knowledgeable? Bleah, those are overrated qualities in the modern GOP that are not tolerated. As long as you stay on message and mock fruit fly research, the slobbering idiots who listen to tawk radio will eat it up every time.
There's only one thing worse than Sarah Palin; watching people try to defend her.
Imagine if Obama had a teenage daughter who was knocked up by some high school dropout, who called himself a 'thug' on his myspace page. You would never hear the end of it from the so-called liberal media and the bloated impotent radio hosts. Oh, but if it's a republican, well then it's ok because she chose life...what the fuck ever.
So Mike K, have the starbursts from your eyes faded yet, or do they twinkle like the midnight sky in Wasilla?
Posted by: Devin on December 31, 2008 at 5:22 PM | PERMALINK
Karl Rove, Rick Davis, and Mark Penn.
Posted by: Winknandanod on December 31, 2008 at 7:37 PM | PERMALINK
Devin, those starbursts are the 500 reporters in Wasilla. It was amazing.
You guys had your candidate win! lighten up ! We are just watching to see how he does. I hope he does well and is so successful that he gets a second term. I think it's about a one in three chance but I can hope. I would like to sell my house before California goes BK so I'm pulling for him.
I see the emotion about Palin and it sure looks like hate to me.
Posted by: Mike K on December 31, 2008 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK
shortstop: And far from running from being famous, once he hit the spotlight he arduously pursued it and is still pursuing it. No victim he, no hero he,
Once the spotlight was shone on him, he did not run from it. But he did not seek it out either.
Even the Democratic official, since resigned, who disclosed his tax lien, was worse than he was.
He was at worst a minor irritant. Bad enough for the "worst 19"? That would be like complaining about a mosquito bite in a plague of boils.
Posted by: MatthewRMarler on December 31, 2008 at 9:09 PM | PERMALINK
However you may hope that Americans could suddenly become "French" and not care a whit about executive extramarital affairs it defies reality to pretend that it would not have an impact on a Presidential election.
Posted by: gray on December 31, 2008 at 11:18 PM | PERMALINK
the most blatant ommission in my opinion is ALL the people who voted for the McCain/Palin ticket.
Think of a Marler and Mike K who keep defending those 'repubicans'
Mike K is a classic case if you ask me: A selfish republican. Why? He -and probably many of his ilk - 'pulling' for Obama so that he can sell his house in California before it goes bankrupt. Never mind that Mike K and his ilk were probably the ones supporting the republicans in the California legislation to keep on cutting taxes and opposing any reasonable solutions to avoid the mess California finds itself in.
Now that California and America are in deep shit... they're 'secretly' hoping that a Democrat (without the 'ic')Congress cleans up the mess. Once it is all cleaned up, they'll hope to have another chance in 2016 to start screwing it up again. After all, Mike, Marler and their ilk won't remember that the Bush years were all that bad by then.
So.... Republican voters in general deserve being on the list, maybe as #20 to make a nice round number.
They can remove anybody else from the list - even Cheney - to make room for all the nameless rabid Palin supporters who actually deserve spot #1 for being UNAMERICAN. If more of 'those' people were running the country, America, as we knew it before BUSH would seize to exist. Unfortunately, they don't have a clue, and wouldn't even see it coming.
Posted by: bruno on December 31, 2008 at 11:28 PM | PERMALINK
Mike K and his ilk were probably the ones supporting the republicans in the California legislation to keep on cutting taxes and opposing any reasonable solutions to avoid the mess California finds itself in.
There are people who think you can tax yourself into prosperity. California has seen a decline in the number of high income taxpayers who pay 85% of the income tax. They are leaving the state. So will I soon. You can stay and suck at the state teat as long as it gives milk but I fear that is not much longer.
Happy New Year !
Posted by: Mike K on January 1, 2009 at 12:47 AM | PERMALINK
Mike K says: You can stay and suck at the state teat as long as it gives milk but I fear that is not much longer
My point exactly: You've sucked on California's teat long enough, and now you hope to be able to sell your house so you can suck at another State's teat. Lord have mercy on any State in the Union that will have you as their next resident.
May I suggest moving to one of the Red States; or do you prefer living in a Blue State where there is more to suck on?
Posted by: bruno on January 1, 2009 at 1:48 AM | PERMALINK
See Doc Mikey K is considering selling and retiring to Wasila - Can double dip by being named to St Sarah's Work Comp Board and increasing Alaska's rejection of Work Comp awards.
Shortstop is correct about Edwards - Plus, from a pragmatic side, the RepuGs would have made it 24/7 news and hammered it home to the Independents. For Edwards to think he could keep this secret, while taking money from so many supporters, qualifies him, at least, for the Most Stupid Blockhead of The Year. He let down, not only his wife and family, but, those who fought for his campaign and the Democratic Party.
Posted by: berttheclock on January 1, 2009 at 8:50 AM | PERMALINK
Once the spotlight was shone on him, he did not run from it. But he did not seek it out either.
Marler, he accepted (and hired an agent to set up) optional interviews, tried to get a country music deal, made an infomercial and announced he was running for Congress.
I don't particularly think he should've made the top 20, but that wasn't what I posted, so don't move the goalposts. My post simply corrected the lies in your last post about him not seeking attention.
May the new year bring you the ability to tell the truth in just one post. And new year hugs for my bud bert.
Posted by: shortstop on January 1, 2009 at 10:30 AM | PERMALINK
Can't disagree with the first commenter here. As a former supporter, Edwards' hubris--aspiring to the Presidential nomination when it was inevitable that his infidelity would crash Dems' chances--angers me every time I think of it. His proximity to power made him an arrogant, evil troll like so many other weak, insecure narcissists who run for office to feel better about themselves. It turns out he WAS the Breck girl after all.
Posted by: W Action on January 1, 2009 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK
Steve Benen wrote: "Are we forgetting anyone?"
Everyone who denied the reality of anthropogenic global warming.
Posted by: SecularAnimist on January 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM | PERMALINK
Mike K wrote: "The hate directed toward Palin is amazing. She did everything we should be asking of a politician ..."
Palin's campaign consisted of little else but hate speech against Obama so she has earned whatever hate blows back at her.
Palin certainly did everything that weak-minded, ignorant, neo-brownshirt dittohead Bush-bootlickers demand of politicians: a career in public office defined by dishonesty, ideological extremism, divisiveness, negligence, corruption, fiscal mismanagement and vindictive abuse of power.
I wish her great success in her quest for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012.
Posted by: SecularAnimist on January 1, 2009 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK
Original Content at ( http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=11357 )
December 27, 2008 Kern's Krew Collection of Peeping Toms
The Kern Krew is a sad collection of some very sick puppies who relish the pain of others in order to exorcise the demons that inhabit their own little bit of skull space.
They've never matured to an adult level of acceptance of sexual or religious privacy. Kern's Krew is a collection of Peeping Toms, looking for what arouses them, be it sacred or secular.
Posted by: James Nimmo on January 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM | PERMALINK